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#rockbox log for 2010-10-19

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02:44:34soapbuschel's dynamic runtime estimation patch is only half the battle on iPod video. On the iPod video recording current draw during a battery_bench would also allow one to correctly determine the capacity of an aged battery.
02:45:56shahali was wondering if someone could help me with installing rockbox?
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02:47:21shahali will just ask the question
02:47:57shahali have a gigabeat f40 and the bootloader doesnt want to install on it
02:48:49soapDid the bootloader tell you that? ;)
02:49:04soapNo, but seriously, what is the symptom?
02:49:41shahalwhen i start up the f40 it is still saying system error 00000020
02:50:03soapstill? Was it saying this before you attempted to install Rockbox?
02:50:13soapSudos = SteveYeats, correct?
02:50:14shahaland when i try to install the bootloader it says error accessing output folder
02:51:04shahalall the system files were placed on the f40
02:52:11soapWhich system files?
02:52:19shahali formated the f40 along time ago and couldnt figure out how to put the system back on there so i have been using it as an external hd
02:52:28shahalthe rockbox files
02:52:34soapThe "improved boot time" system files? Or do you mean you extracted the rockbox .zip folder to the drive?
02:53:25soapSo, immediately prior to using Rockbox Utility to do an "install" the Gigabeat F was inoperable as a DAP?
02:54:28soapas in it had no Original Firmware?
02:56:12shahali downloaded the rockbox utility off the website selected my gigabeat drive letter and selected the toshiba f series i then tried to install the boot loader and it said error accessing output folder so i picked install rockbox on audio player all the files from that were placed on the f40 i turned in off and turn it back on and it did nothing
02:56:36shahalit had no original firmware
02:56:47shahalit was completly wiped clean
02:57:02soapOk, you need to install the original firmware on there first
02:57:14shahalohhhhh ok
02:57:26soapall you have on there now is the Rockbox binary and "helper" files. You have no bootloader to boot the binary.
02:58:52shahalya i have the cd it originally came with but i tried to get the files back on the f40 after acidentally formatting it and couldnt figure it out lol
02:59:03soapI am not intimate with the bootloader install on the Gigabeat, but the iPod one (for example) modifies Apple's firmware to load Rockbox. I'm _assuming_ the same is true on the Gigabeat just because of the Rockbox Utility error which sounds like it isn't finding the files it is looking for.
02:59:23soap is the OLD wiki page on that.
03:00:37shahalthank you soap you have been a great help really appreciate it
03:01:14soapwell, Someone else can hopefully clear up what you need to get the bootloader on a blank gigabeat
03:03:50shahalwell im going to google and find out how i can get the original software back on the f40 using the install cd
03:04:05shahaland then try to get the rockbox on it
03:04:32JdGordon|that looks rather painful
03:05:58soapQuite easy to do, actually.
03:06:21soapI'm just not sure that is enough. It doesn't explicitly say how to put the OF back on there, and IF you really need it.
03:06:30shahalthats a damn sergery
03:06:44soapFWIW, all permanent IP address and hostname bans on the forum have been lifted.
03:07:28soapI'll eat gevaerts hat if we get any spam as a result.
03:07:31shahali dont think i will need to go all of that though
03:07:36Lloreansoap: On the F/X you don't need OF. In fact not having OF speeds the boot time considerably.
03:07:40soap(add an apostrophe in there somewhere)
03:07:50soapLlorean, but you need to place those dummy files.
03:07:55LloreanYou can replace all the non-Rockbox OF filenames with empty files if I recall, yeah
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03:08:27LloreanLike, just "touch filename" for each of the 'necessary' files other than the ones that actually are the rockbox bootloader.
03:08:44soapBut is that all one needs? No hidden partition like the iPods? Is the only bootloader in ROM or something?
03:08:59soapshahal, ^
03:09:01LloreanYeah, no hidden partitions or anything (if I'm remembering correctly)
03:09:10shahalmy computer recognizes it and there is no issue accessing the f40 its just when it starts up is says system error because it missing the original files once i plug it into my comp it is replaced with a usb symbol
03:09:13LloreanYou just need to have the right filenames in the right places, and all is well.
03:09:48soapwhat is spectial about FWIMG01.DAT which is a separate download on the wiki? 52.1K
03:09:56LloreanThat's the Rockbox bootloader
03:10:15LloreanProbably want to get a newer one from the download server.
03:10:31soapSo, if shahal installs all the dummy files, _then_ RBUtil will be happy?
03:10:47LloreanThe only advantage to having the OF was that the rockbox bootloader could uninstall itself (there wasn't dual boot in the past for the F, so Rockbox just restored the OF if you left the original OF files around)
03:10:52LloreanI *think* so
03:10:56LloreanI don't know what RBUtil looks for.
03:11:16LloreanBut it should be happy with dummy files. Then again, if you install the dummies, then FWIMG01.DAT, then unzip you've got a full Rockbox install anyway
03:13:27shahali can install the original f40 files with the gigabeat room aplication software right?
03:14:24shahali tried once before but couldnt figure it out
03:18:59soapI believe so. The Gigabeat Room software was sought after for a while there (post Toshiba support) and that is the reason why IIRC. Rockbox on the Gigabeat, as Llorean said, doesn't support dual-boot so there is not much reason to bother installing the Toshiba files only to install Rockbox IF the dummy files do the trick.
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03:21:05shahalcant install gigabeat room on windows 7 lol
03:21:18shahalwhere can i find the dummy files
03:21:32shahalfound them
03:21:34soap_ok the wiki
03:23:31shahalok i got the dummy files and the FWIMG01.DAT just place them both on the gigebeat and then run the utility?
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03:28:55soap_get a current FWIMG01.DAT, not the one linked from the wiki.
03:29:05soap_ie the bootloader current download.
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03:34:57bakuzhello, can someone help me find the Rockbox-DevKit_v312, i think the link is dead.
03:36:14krazykitthat won't be very useful as it's 5 years out of date
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03:36:49krazykitcheck out instead
03:38:20*sasquatch . o o ( maybe he has a reason to look for exactly that version... )
03:38:48bakuzno, i thought that the simple guide to compile was easy
03:38:58bakuznow that i see is out of date
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04:04:11shahalok im doing something wrong
04:06:01shahali put the dummy files and the FWIMG01.DAT in the fwim folder the bootloader installed but when i disconnect the power flip the switch off and flip the switch back to on and then hit the power button rockbox still does not load
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04:21:16S_a_i_n_tbakuz: Simple Guide to Compiling isn't out of date at all.
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04:36:06shahaldoes anyone know if a gigabeat f40 has to be a specific file system for rock box to work
04:36:30krazykitshahal, when you turn it on, does it give any error message?
04:36:55shahalthe file system is ntfs
04:37:04shahali need to change it to fat32
04:37:08krazykityes you do.
04:37:36shahaltrying to find a free program that will do it cause windows 7 wont
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04:38:46krazykitswissknife or fat32format should both work
04:39:32shahali just got swiffknife but it wont let me use it without a lisence
04:39:41shahalswissknife v3
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04:47:13shahalkrazykit thanks that worked and it was quick
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04:47:46shahalnow just need to try and get rockbox on it
04:48:13krazykityou should be able to do the same thing as before; put the bootloader files in the right place and unzip a build into the root directory
04:49:27shahali placed the dummy files and the FWIMG01.DAT in the FWIM folder on the gigabeat
04:49:43shahalshould i restart it before using the utility
04:50:15krazykitas long as the device is mounted it shouldn't matter
04:52:14shahalkrazykit the fat32 did the trick
04:52:30shahalits running rockbox
04:52:35shahalthanks again
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04:54:04krazykitglad you got it running :)
04:55:23shahalone more question where do i place the music hehe
04:55:38soapwherever you want
04:55:50soapit would be wise, though, not to place it in the .rockbox folder.
04:56:04shahali can make a music folder and place it in there
04:56:27shahaland even a genre folder for the different kinds as well
04:57:00krazykitwhatever you want.
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04:57:10shahalohh thats awsome
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04:59:07soapIt would be wise not to make a music folder IN .rockbox
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05:05:10shahalok where do i make it
05:05:51krazykiti just have a music/ directory in the root directory. simple enough.
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08:25:22JdGordon|gevaerts: what interesting issues? I'm not sure that last checkin was correct
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10:18:14gevaertsJdGordon: segfaults due to backdrop_id being non-zero
10:18:29JdGordonbacklight_id == 0 is valid
10:18:31JdGordon-1 is unset
10:19:40gevaertsOK, in that case more needs to be done
10:20:38gevaerts is what I got
10:22:16gevaertsSo it looks like checkwps misses some initialisation?
10:26:22JdGordonshouldnt be... it gets reset on load
10:26:37gevaertsok, but then it shouldn't segfault :)
10:27:20JdGordonoh, why not? :p
10:27:56*gevaerts throws rotten lemons at JdGordon
10:29:56JdGordonah HA!
10:30:22JdGordonslightly interesting this hasnt crashed target
10:31:34JdGordonok, I tihnk I'll change the ids to start at 1 instead of 0
10:31:38JdGordonafter tv/dinner
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10:39:03link4u_94Hi guys!
10:39:52link4u_94i have run rockbox on my cowon d2 for a while now, but the thing is that my OF is kinda fuckedup. It wont boot.
10:40:31link4u_94first boot stage)
10:40:56link4u_94it updates the database, first boot stage
10:41:35link4u_94but then it hangs, displaying a green-purple raster, much like a color test for the screen
10:41:46link4u_94anyone have any idea what this is?
10:42:32link4u_94anyone even have a D2?
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10:48:16webguest29Hello everybody
10:50:37webguest29I installed rockbox on my sansa clip v1 but I find that, when playing mp3s, the sound is a little "strange" (it has artifacts in the high frequency range). The fact is that with the sandisk's orginal firmware that doesn't happen
10:51:04webguest29What this could be caused by?
10:52:36webguest29I thought maybe it's a libmad problem...
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10:55:51webguest29Hello everybody
10:56:48webguest29I installed rockbox on my sansa clip v1 but I find that, when playing mp3s, the sound is a little "strange" (it has artifacts in the high frequency range). The fact is that with the sandisk's orginal firmware that doesn't happen
10:58:27JdGordonno need to repeat yourself
10:58:48webguest29sorry I tought that message was lost...
11:03:19webguest29anyway any idea about what could cause that?
11:03:58gevaertswebguest29: are you using any equaliser or bass/treble settings?
11:04:12webguest29not at all
11:05:23gevaertsDoes it happen with specific files, or all of them?
11:05:33webguest29all of them
11:05:56gevaertsHave you tried something else than mp3?
11:06:13webguest29actually not
11:06:49linuxstbWhat bitrate are your mp3s?
11:07:11*gevaerts doesn't actually know much about the audio parts of rockbox, so he just asks generic questions to help clarify the issue while the experts wake up :)
11:07:27webguest29between 128 and 256 (I use vbr and abr mostly)
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11:30:08pixelmaI recently see data aborts at boot on my c200 but it doesn't always happen, I need to experiment a bit moe
11:30:12pixelmamore too
11:30:45webguest29what do you mean by "data aborts"?
11:30:47wodzpixelma: some progress with recording testing?
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11:31:30pixelmawebguest29: an error message by Rockbox
11:31:52webguest29uhm...and what does it mean?
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11:32:18pixelmasomething went very wrong and it stops booting
11:32:52pixelmawodz: compiled a build yesterday, will put it on my Ondio now
11:33:45pixelmawebguest29: usually it means there is a bug somewhere ;)
11:33:58gevaertspixelma: not always? :)
11:34:16webguest29I think that too
11:34:52webguest29but about my problem?
11:34:54pixelmaok, the only other reason I can imagine is file system corruption which I'll test now
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11:42:47pixelmainvestigated the problem on boot a bit - chkdsk did not find errors on the internal memory or the plugged microSDHC
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11:53:05webguest29Ok guys, now I have to go...I hope somebody investigates about the problem I exposed about the reproduction of mp3s on sansa clip v1. Bye
11:53:35webguest29sorry i meant playing of mp3s (I'm italian...)
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12:11:01kugelI have plans for the pitchscreen on touchscreen targets
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12:11:51kugelI think the grid mode is a good fit for it, what it needs is visible buttons for the non-directional actions (next mode/page/tab and quit)
12:12:37kugelbasically, making it work with direct touch would mean to reimplement the grid mode there so I think that shouldn't be done
12:13:49kugeland I think the pitchscreen is the only blocker (if there's any blocker) for defaulting absolute point mode since it's completely unusable and not exit-able in that mode
12:14:21kugelthe graphical eq has a non-graphical alternative so I don't think it's as bad
12:14:54JdGordonthe lack of a touch enabled sbs is a bigger blocker imo
12:15:08JdGordonwe can always switch back to grid when required very easily
12:15:11kugelthat's not a blocker at all if you ask me
12:16:05JdGordonhow difficult would left/right swiping be to add?
12:16:07kugelrockbox is perfectly useable without (although it's a little bit tricky sometimes). a touch sbs isn't essential, it'd just make things easier
12:17:09gevaertsSo can we branch today?
12:17:10kugelnot too hard I think. left-swiping should be easy, right-swiping shouldn't be done at all IMO
12:17:34JdGordonI agree
12:17:42JdGordonleft scrolling is areally all i want anyway
12:17:47JdGordon(or right for rtl)
12:17:54JdGordongevaerts: please! :)
12:17:55kugelbut without some kind of animation left-swiping will be a bit akward
12:18:04gevaertsJdGordon: go ahead!
12:18:12JdGordondon't oyu want to?
12:18:22kugelno call for translators this time :(
12:18:26gevaertsI can do it, but not now
12:18:30JdGordonkugel: can we draw a nice arrow following the finger maybe?
12:18:44gevaertsIf I have to do the branching, it will have to wait until I get home tonight
12:19:14JdGordonkugel: If we go the rolling stable idea then we can push the lang updates when they come
12:20:02gevaertsWe can still commit translations to the release branch
12:20:31gevaertsAnd yes, I agree that planning this release is a mess, but I don't think we can gain much by stopping it and starting over
12:23:49JdGordonkugel: any idea how I'd go about wrapping open() on android?
12:24:09JdGordonspecifially, how do i get the OS open() if open is #defined to something else?
12:30:33kugeldo it the same way as opendir is wrapped I'd say
12:31:53JdGordoncan you think of a good reason to not split RaaA-sdl sim_open() and sdl sim_open() ?
12:33:00JdGordonI want to keep as much RaaA code shared, so open() -> raaa_open() -> target_open(). raa_open() being identical
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12:35:56kugelthe sdl port needs to interact with the sdl threads which is complicating it a bit
12:36:58kugelI don't have a good reason, but it seems to be a decision between keeping raaa code (sdl app and android app) or sdl code (sdl app and simulator) common
12:37:36kugelI think the latter makes more sense, since it's more likely that there will always be (at least subtle) differences between all the possible hosts so it'll always need a different implementation
12:42:02kugelor maybe I don't understand what you mean
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12:44:21JdGordonactually the biggest thing I'm having trouble wrapping my head around is with file.h #define open open_wrapper, and then calling real open() in the wrapper
12:46:28kugelyou can #undef wrapper in the .c file
12:47:55kugelsee firmware/target/hosted/android/fs-android.c
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12:54:20S_a_i_n_tJdGordon; Would it be possible at all, to get the line selector to obey the definition for the screen width, instead of the UI viewports width? The "text is too close to the edge of the screen" thing with the iLike theme is bugging me.
12:55:05S_a_i_n_tgah, I figured as much...but thought I'd ask anyway.
12:55:07JdGordonI've thought about how to do that properly and keep coming up empty
12:55:59S_a_i_n_tI really want to be able to move the text away from the side of the screen, but still have the line selector run the whole width of the screen.
12:56:34S_a_i_n_tI think I'm going to have to add spaces to the front of all the menu entries and compile my own build specifically for iLike :/
12:57:00S_a_i_n_ts/all the menu entries/all the menu entries in the .lang files/
12:57:08JdGordonthat is a silly way of doing it
12:57:19JdGordons/silly/bloody stupid/
12:57:27JdGordonjust add a space or three at runtime
12:57:35JdGordonmuch easier to keep in sync
12:57:58S_a_i_n_tHow do you mean?
12:58:50JdGordonthe text that is actually drawn on the display, you can add a few spaces to the lcd call
12:58:59JdGordonone or two line change
12:59:18S_a_i_n_tHmmmmm...I hadn't thought about doing it like that.
12:59:35S_a_i_n_tYou'd probably need to point me in the right direction, though.
12:59:39pixelmaor "empty" icons?
12:59:51S_a_i_n_ts/probably/almost definitely/
13:00:13S_a_i_n_tpixelma; I'd thought about that, but then the line selector won't go to the edge of the screen.
13:00:15pixelmahmm, maybe the line selector doesn't get drawn over the icon area either
13:00:37S_a_i_n_tI need it to run the full width of the screen unfortunately...otherwise I'd just do it with UI viewport.
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13:01:11pixelmaindeed it doesn't, it once did a long long time ago
13:01:52JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: should do it
13:02:01S_a_i_n_tHmmm, that would fix my problem completely.
13:02:17S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: TRhanks, I'll add it to my build and have a lookse.
13:02:23S_a_i_n_t*thanks, even.
13:02:36JdGordonyou'll need something similar for the title, if oyu want it
13:02:58S_a_i_n_tYou weren't supposed to do it *for* me ;) (but, thanks)
13:03:09S_a_i_n_tthe title is always centred, so...that's fine.
13:03:12JdGordonand yes, according to the code the selector doesnt go under the icon
13:03:23S_a_i_n_tthe .sbs handles the title.
13:03:24JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: like I said, 2 line change...
13:03:34JdGordoni.e Its not a big deal :D
13:03:42JdGordonexplainig it to you would have been harder :p
13:04:06JdGordonI mean.... finding it was harder than the change many spaces does that add? I can't see what that change/code is doing at all.
13:04:38JdGordonactually no, that wont work
13:04:48S_a_i_n_tAh, bugger. :)
13:05:17S_a_i_n_tIf you know a way that *can* work, I'll only need one space prepended to each line.
13:06:50JdGordontry this one
13:07:14JdGordonhint: add the space *after* the translation stuff happens :p
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13:09:56S_a_i_n_tso...if I'd like to add another space, " %s" becomes " %s", or " %s" etc?
13:11:04S_a_i_n_tAha...I see you added a comment, but it got cut off, and it will probably cry about not being a "closed" comment.
13:11:15S_a_i_n_t"/* put more s" isn;t very discriptive lol
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13:11:40S_a_i_n_tThanks, however.
13:11:57JdGordonyes, it got cut off :p
13:12:21S_a_i_n_tcut it straight out of your console huh?
13:15:16JdGordon/home/jonno/rockbox-git/tools/ -v -m \"application\" -i \"100\" -r "/home/jonno/rockbox-git" −−rbdir="" -DAPPLICATION
13:15:17JdGordonbuildzip: image=-DAPPLICATION fonts=
13:15:17JdGordoncc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-frbdir="
13:15:17DBUGEnqueued KICK JdGordon
13:15:17JdGordonwhere is frbdir coming from?
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13:25:23wodzOn coldfire ~13% of decoding png time is calculation of checksum - do we really need this?
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13:33:25S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: Just to be the code you added in the patch you just gave me, you added three spaces?
13:33:38JdGordonI didnt test it, but thats the plan
13:33:43S_a_i_n_tOr, was there supposed to be space(s) before the %s?
13:33:53JdGordonI wouldnt put it past me to add a backdor which rapes your cat
13:34:08S_a_i_n_tAha...ok, thanks. I've reduced it to one space. I'll test it out soon(-ish).
13:34:17JdGordon" %s" the spaces are important
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13:35:08S_a_i_n_tOh, ok...shit. How many spaces (if there's not an additional space) shold there be?
13:35:19JdGordonas many as you want
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13:35:52S_a_i_n_terrr...wait, I'm confused. the spaces are important, or not?
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13:37:23JdGordononly as much as the whole point is the adding of said spaces
13:37:29S_a_i_n_tI mean, I want " Settings" as opposed to "Settings" I'd use " %s" <−− (only one space before the % sign)
13:37:31AlexPThe bits inside " " are printed with %s replaced by the entry name
13:38:09AlexPYou could put e.g. "This entry is %s" and get "This entry is Settings"
13:38:15S_a_i_n_tright, so one space before the % == one space prepended to the setting/entry etc.
13:43:56wodzAlexP: I did some test of png viewer and I don't see simple way to speed up decoding on coldfire. The only thing which can be done easily is to not calculate checksum of decompressed data as it takes ~13% of png decompression
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13:51:03AlexPwodz: OK, well I wouldn't worry too much, thanks for trying. How quick is it on an arm targte btw?
13:51:30wodzon PP it is 2 times faster
13:52:09linuxstbwodz: APE for example has a built-in checksum which Rockbox doesn't bother to calculate. If speed is important, then I would say to just skip it.
13:54:48AlexPWhat is the checksum used for? If it is skipped and the image is corrupt as long as RB doesn't crash I don't really see the need
13:56:01linuxstbI would imagine it's too late by then. Any crashes would happen during image decoding.
13:57:26wodztest broken png from libpng site doesn't crash rb with checksum turned off
13:57:45AlexPlinuxstb: So the checksum really doesn't add anything except tell you that the image is corrupt and not what you are meant to be seeing?
13:58:23wodzdecoder checks how much space does it have for output data so crash is rather unlikely
13:59:00wodzhonestly I don't see the point of calculating checksum other than it is required by the standard
13:59:01pixelmawodz: I remember testing the v3 version of the png viewer on my M5 and had a set of same sized pngs where 2 gave me a "zlib decompression error" (or similar) and I couldn't find out where the difference to the working ones was. I'll test the new version too. Those weren't even big files (about 100x30 pixels, would need to look up the file size)
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13:59:39AlexPwodz: I'd skip it then
14:00:12wodzpixelma: If you find strange behaving PNGs please upload it to FS so I could look at it
14:00:17linuxstbwodz: The standard requires encoders to put it there, or decoders to check it?
14:00:53pixelmawodz: ok, those files are even done by me, so there won't be copyright questions ;)
14:04:22wodzwell adler32 checksum is 100% redundand as png contains crc32 of the whole compressed block
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15:25:28LambdaCalculus37I think that with the progress that b0hoon has made with the GoGear HDD6330 port, it might be time to get it pushed to "Unstable" status.
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15:55:20slade67Hallo Everybody. I wanted to know if anybody of you has hardware Details on Samsung YP-R0 series? I will get mine tomorrow and want to see what I can do porting rockbox. Thanks
15:55:48S_a_i_n_tGoogle probably does ;)
15:56:08S_a_i_n_taside from that, crack it open when you get it and scan the PCBs
15:56:47S_a_i_n_t*then* ask Google about the chips you find, if you're lucky enough for them to be labled, correctly.
15:57:31S_a_i_n_tthen check out:
15:57:40S_a_i_n_tand :
15:58:09S_a_i_n_tand finally:
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16:05:27slade67ok thanks i'll see what I can do
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16:18:20slade67i do have another question from what I understand you do already have a generic version. which means the root system should be able to boot either way?so it should be possible to start from generic and add hardware support step by step?
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16:26:01evilnick_Bslade67 / for the logs: There is no "generic" Rockbox version. They are all built for the hardware in the target players.
16:26:55S_a_i_n_tYeah, I had no idea what he meant there either. I was going to comment but he left before I pressed enter.
16:27:37S_a_i_n_tI think he saw the other Samsung Y's and assumed there was a basic package for them that needed only a few tweaks.
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17:29:51kiko_hello, so i have an 4th gen ipod with rockbox and when i play an mp3 file it starts to break the music for 1s between every 5s, i searched the forum and the bug report but being such a nood and windows user i can't patch my rockbox. I don't know if you could help me...
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17:34:06saratogakiko_: all mp3s or just one specific one?
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17:36:32kiko_all mp3's
17:36:36evilnick_Bkiko_: Do you have EQ/crossfeed on? It might be that the CPU can't cope with having to do all the work in realtime and so has to stop and catch up every so often.
17:36:48kiko_right ´
17:37:34kiko_i'm going to turn of the eq and crossfeed
17:40:30kiko_i think it did the job, thanks
17:41:39evilnick_BNo problem
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18:00:39saratogai'm surprised EQ and mp3 skip on the 4G
18:00:44saratogathere should be plenty of CPU for both
18:01:20evilnick_BBitrate would (might?) be a factor too. At least as I understand things.
18:01:50n1sbitrate doesn't make a big diff for mp3
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18:29:41saratoga20MHz for MP3 decoding, and about 5 MHz per EQ band
18:29:46saratogai wonder where the rest of the CPU time went
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18:40:28pixelmahe also said he had crossfeed on and who knows what other DSP features
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18:47:01*S_a_i_n_t understands what FS #11689 *does*, but not how to *do* it... :-/
18:48:16S_a_i_n_tI understand you can define "setting name: setting value(s), but not how you deine what setting name *does*, or how setting values are applied to setting name.
18:48:22S_a_i_n_t...quite confusing.
18:48:46S_a_i_n_tThere's a lot of text in the explanation, that the more I read it says less and less.
18:50:49S_a_i_n_tThough I can't imagine much use for it, as all the really useful settings or settings likely to occur already exist...but, it seems useful. If only I could figure the bloody thing out :-S
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19:25:38Strife89Do the 5th-gen iPods' hardware allow for plugging a mic into the headphone jack (like the 4th-gen iPods)?
19:26:11S_a_i_n_tI think it plugs through the dock connector
19:26:44Strife89Yeah, IpodStatus mentions that.
19:27:33TheLemonMansaratoga, im the guy on the ABI forum
19:27:52Strife89S_a_i_n_t: I don't have anything that can feed a signal through there, though, so I basically have to rely on the headphone jack.
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19:28:53S_a_i_n_tStrife89: I have been wanting to study the pin configuration and "butcher-ize" a passively powered mic and an iPod dock cable for some time now...haven't got around to it though.
19:29:17S_a_i_n_tI have plenty of dock conectors willing to give their lives for the casue.
19:30:07Strife89IpodStatus makes no mention of "headphone-miking" on the 5G iPods (not even to-do), so I'm guessing Apple dropped that from 4G to 5G.
19:30:47*S_a_i_n_t wonders if liar has seen the comments ragarding the (rather annoying) "white fullscreen flash" with FS #11604 - IPod Nano2G lcd_sleep implementation
19:31:23S_a_i_n_tI'm about 99% certain that that patch would go in if that issue was to be resolved.
19:31:51S_a_i_n_tThere's the potential there for some pretty nice power savings.
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19:37:29liarS_a_i_n_t: do you see this issue on both lcd types?
19:38:17S_a_i_n_tliar: Yes.
19:38:54S_a_i_n_tIt happens on boot (I assume when the LCD code initialises), and when the LCD wakes.
19:39:22S_a_i_n_tIt's a quick (but very noticable), white, fullscreen flash.
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19:40:29S_a_i_n_tIt used to "click" when it flashed also on my Nanos until Buschell lowered the power that the LCD is getting...and that also stops the annoying high pitched scream from the LCD too which is a bonus.
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20:10:59CIA-107New commit by 03gevaerts (r28309): Branch for 3.7
20:11:17gevaertsthere, that should get things moving!
20:12:54gevaertsrasher: maybe another call for translations?
20:13:07rasherOh indeed
20:13:13rasherMaybe I should even do some translating of my own
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20:28:01LambdaCalculusQuestion: Is it safe to say that Rockbox's USB mode is slower than that of an iPod's USB mode?
20:28:25gevaertsIt's safe in that probably nobody will come after you :)
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20:29:27LambdaCalculusgevaerts: :)
20:30:01gevaertsI don't really think it's generally true though
20:30:27*evilnick_B requests a change in the topic now that we're in a freeze
20:30:46gevaertsI know nearly everyone reports that, but I also know that my own tests on ipod video 5G 30GB don't show a significant difference
20:31:03gevaertsMy tests are a bit artificial though, since I don't copy a bunch of files and see how long it takes
20:31:29gevaertselcan: we're not!
20:31:39gevaertsevilnick_B: we're not!
20:31:45*gevaerts apologises to elcan
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20:32:13AlexPevilnick_B: There you go
20:32:47AlexPevilnick_B: The topic never got to see the freeze, that was last week :)
20:32:49LambdaCalculusgevaerts: My iPod video is pretty fast with file transfers over Rockbox's USB stack, but I think it also has to do with the CF mod I did.
20:33:07CIA-107New commit by 03gevaerts (r28310): Release branch: ...
20:34:35gevaertsLambdaCalculus: maybe. I suspect there's a difference between our SCSI bits and Apple's which make Windows use different settings somehow
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20:48:19RandomAcronymThe track progress bar on the now playing screen never moves; except when I'm using the themes the came with RockBox. (Fuze v2 newness build) Can anyone help?
20:51:03evilnick_BRandomAcronym: It's probably the .wps tags having changed since the theme(s) were written
20:52:04alexbobPwhat does that "newness build" mean?
20:52:50RandomAcronymI don't know the number but I just updated it.
20:54:45alexbobPah, okay
20:54:57alexbobPI didn't know if that was a technical term or the name of a build or something XD
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21:00:16RandomAcronymThe last update was July 2010, has it changed sense?
21:00:54evilnick_BRandomAcronym: It (Rockbox) changes many times a day, the .wps screen has probably changed a great deal in that time
21:03:23RandomAcronymWow,how do the theme devs keep up?
21:03:41gevaertsThere's a theme convertor somewhere
21:03:47evilnick_BSorry, yes, there's a tool to update themes
21:04:03*evilnick_B can't believe he hasn't mentioned that before :(
21:04:06gevaertsAnd those many changes a day don't all involve wps syntax :)
21:05:28RandomAcronymCan I get that? I rely like The "Electric Bars Of Colour" theme.
21:06:25gevaertsRandomAcronym: if it's a theme from the theme site, just re-download it
21:06:30gevaertsThose were converted
21:07:00RandomAcronymI just got this Fuze last week.
21:07:38RandomAcronymAnd I re-downloaded it yesterday.
21:08:22gevaertsthen maybe there's something else going on
21:08:34*gevaerts leaves this to people who know about theming
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21:11:41RandomAcronymIt is not that much of a big deal but I would like it to work.
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21:19:19CIA-107New commit by 03bertrik (r28311): Spanish language update - FS #11688 by Francisco Vila
21:20:47CIA-107r28311 build result: All green
21:23:13bertrikI guess I have to check out the 3.7 branch, then check in this same commit, right?
21:24:20gevaertsThat would be best
21:24:41gevaertsIf not, someone else can do it of course
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21:28:00pixelmathe progress bar needs to be in a viewport since recently (everything except default viewport)
21:28:57pixelmaI don't think there was an automated update of the themes (also some wouldn't need one) and there is no tool for that
21:29:19RandomAcronymwhere can I get the tool?
21:30:15RandomAcronym:( Sorry,just re-read your post.
21:30:30pixelmaas far as I know not seeing the bar update is caused by that. You need to update the theme manually or maybe get the attention of the theme author or some other
21:31:29RandomAcronymThe thing is: all the themes I download off the site have this problem.
21:32:37RandomAcronymBut the ones that downloaded with Rockbox work right.
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21:33:48CIA-107New commit by 03bertrik (r28312): Spanish language update - FS #11688 by Francisco Vila
21:35:49*pixelma wished the theme site would show the content of the .wps files etc. so that someone wanting to look at the code doesn't have to download the zip
21:36:39RandomAcronym It dose.
21:36:51RandomAcronym...I think
21:36:57AlexPNo it doesn't
21:37:17AlexPYou cannot look at the code inside e.g. the .wps file without downloading and extracting the theme
21:37:35pixelmait shows the content of the zip but nothing more
21:38:10RandomAcronymOk. My mistake.
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21:49:52RandomAcronymhow close is Fuze v2 to being stable?
21:50:11kugelquite i'd say
21:50:14alexbobPit is pretty usable for me, with a few stability problems that are all avoidable
21:50:27alexbobPdefinitely has some bugs to fix, but I'm happily using it
21:51:19RandomAcronymIt works well for me too.
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21:52:49bertrikIIRC, there were some issues with the fuze v2 getting in some weird state when plugging USB, and some fuzes getting very hot for some odd reason
21:53:37RandomAcronymwhen do you guys think it will be marked "stable"?
21:53:59n1swhen the bugs that are preventing it being marked stable are fixed
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21:55:05RandomAcronymthat's a non-answer. :)
21:55:32wodzAlexP, pixelma: I uploaded new version of png imageviewer patch to FS #11641. If You have some time please test.
21:55:42n1sno, it's the only answer we can give that isn't a guess taken out of thin air
21:56:02AlexPRandomAcronym: You can accept that or "we don't know"
21:56:34RandomAcronymthat's an answer,thanks.
21:56:37AlexPOf course, I could pull a date out of my arse if it makes you happy :)
21:57:13AlexPwodz: Will do
21:57:24RandomAcronymAs long as you don't use valve-time, it will!
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22:00:01AlexPwodz: Thanks for the two patch versions incidently :)
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22:05:11wodzAlexP: I just try to be polite and make life easier for potential testers.
22:07:36AlexPwodz: Works fine, seems a second or so faster which is cool (6 s instead of 7ish)
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22:11:33wodzAlexP: As written in description of the patch, I removed adler32 checksum calculation. In PNG chunk header there is crc32 checksum of compressed data so I don't see the point of calculating another checksum against decompressed content
22:11:51AlexPSounds reasonable to me
22:24:31wodzHow do we load plugins in the sim? I tried to produce .map file for plugin when compiling sim and I only get relative offset
22:26:01kugelwodz: shared libraries
22:27:26wodzkugel: we don't have control over where plugin is loaded in mem than right?
22:27:35CIA-107New commit by 03rasher (r28313): Ignore these revisions as they did not include actual translations
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22:34:57pixelmamoos: we have some Polish committers btw., I think it's better to having them commit language updates or at least have a look at these before
22:35:30kugelwodz: right
22:36:07kugelso yes, all the maps will have is 0-relative adresses (relocatable)
22:36:22moospixelma: hello, thanks for the tips, I probably missed his commits, my bad
22:36:32wodzso there is no (simple) way to provide profiling support in the sim
22:37:05kugelIIRC profiling shared libraries is generally a pain
22:37:30pixelmawodz: I'll test
22:38:06moospixelma: I remenber that we had a list somewhere in docs whith mainteners...maybe a good moment to update the list for the upcoming release
22:38:26wodzkugel: I mean currently configure let's you choose profiling build *and* sim. Currently this is broken and there is not simple way to fix
22:40:10wodzkugel: Is there a way to know where dlopen() loaded our file?
22:40:26kugelwodz: yes
22:41:14kugeldlsym returns adresses so you could try to call it with ".text"
22:42:11wodzhmm so we can 'workaround' this by printing the base to the console and provide a way to convert relocatable .map
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22:47:38pixelmamoos: depends on if they want to do that :)
22:48:36moosindeed, of course :)
22:49:09moosmaybe some didn't even know the existence of the file (optimistic here)
22:51:10AlexPpixelma: Is there much point in a manual bit there? If so, I guess we should be in there
22:52:17pixelmahmm, may be nice. On the other hand the file seems to be forgotten a bit about
22:53:08pixelmae.g. it still has a "mandelbrot" maintainer ;)
22:53:49moosAlexP, pixelma you surely should !
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22:56:37AlexPBit out of date that file
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23:31:41CIA-107New commit by 03torne (r28314): Fix build failure on cygwin by not trying to remove the current directory ...
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23:33:20CIA-107r28314 build result: All green
23:34:14Torneyeah thanks for that cia, shame that didn't actually test it ;)
23:35:46n1sit is helpful like that :)
23:37:32Torneit's probably fine
23:37:38Torneyou just can't rmdir $CWD on windows
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