#rockbox 2010-10-19

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02:44:30	shahal	hello
02:44:34	soap	buschel's dynamic runtime estimation patch is only half the battle on iPod video. On the iPod video recording current draw during a battery_bench would also allow one to correctly determine the capacity of an aged battery.
02:45:56	shahal	i was wondering if someone could help me with installing rockbox?
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02:47:21	shahal	i will just ask the question
02:47:57	shahal	i have a gigabeat f40 and the bootloader doesnt want to install on it
02:48:49	soap	Did the bootloader tell you that? ;)
02:49:04	soap	No, but seriously, what is the symptom?
02:49:41	shahal	when i start up the f40 it is still saying system error 00000020
02:50:03	soap	still? Was it saying this before you attempted to install Rockbox?
02:50:13	soap	Sudos = SteveYeats, correct?
02:50:14	shahal	and when i try to install the bootloader it says error accessing output folder
02:51:04	shahal	all the system files were placed on the f40
02:52:11	soap	Which system files?
02:52:19	shahal	i formated the f40 along time ago and couldnt figure out how to put the system back on there so i have been using it as an external hd
02:52:28	shahal	the rockbox files
02:52:34	soap	The "improved boot time" system files? Or do you mean you extracted the rockbox .zip folder to the drive?
02:53:25	soap	So, immediately prior to using Rockbox Utility to do an "install" the Gigabeat F was inoperable as a DAP?
02:54:28	soap	as in it had no Original Firmware?
02:56:12	shahal	i downloaded the rockbox utility off the website selected my gigabeat drive letter and selected the toshiba f series i then tried to install the boot loader and it said error accessing output folder so i picked install rockbox on audio player all the files from that were placed on the f40 i turned in off and turn it back on and it did nothing
02:56:36	shahal	it had no original firmware
02:56:47	shahal	it was completly wiped clean
02:57:02	soap	Ok, you need to install the original firmware on there first
02:57:14	shahal	ohhhhh ok
02:57:26	soap	all you have on there now is the Rockbox binary and "helper" files. You have no bootloader to boot the binary.
02:58:52	shahal	ya i have the cd it originally came with but i tried to get the files back on the f40 after acidentally formatting it and couldnt figure it out lol
02:59:03	soap	I am not intimate with the bootloader install on the Gigabeat, but the iPod one (for example) modifies Apple's firmware to load Rockbox. I'm _assuming_ the same is true on the Gigabeat just because of the Rockbox Utility error which sounds like it isn't finding the files it is looking for.
02:59:23	soap	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GigabeatFXPort is the OLD wiki page on that.
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03:00:37	shahal	thank you soap you have been a great help really appreciate it
03:01:14	soap	well, Someone else can hopefully clear up what you need to get the bootloader on a blank gigabeat
03:03:50	shahal	well im going to google and find out how i can get the original software back on the f40 using the install cd
03:04:05	shahal	and then try to get the rockbox on it
03:04:19	JdGordon\|	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GigabeatFXPort#Gigabeat_Recovery_Procedures
03:04:32	JdGordon\|	that looks rather painful
03:05:58	soap	Quite easy to do, actually.
03:06:21	soap	I'm just not sure that is enough. It doesn't explicitly say how to put the OF back on there, and IF you really need it.
03:06:30	shahal	thats a damn sergery
03:06:44	soap	FWIW, all permanent IP address and hostname bans on the forum have been lifted.
03:07:28	soap	I'll eat gevaerts hat if we get any spam as a result.
03:07:31	shahal	i dont think i will need to go all of that though
03:07:36	Llorean	soap: On the F/X you don't need OF. In fact not having OF speeds the boot time considerably.
03:07:40	soap	(add an apostrophe in there somewhere)
03:07:50	soap	Llorean, but you need to place those dummy files.
03:07:55	Llorean	You can replace all the non-Rockbox OF filenames with empty files if I recall, yeah
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03:08:27	Llorean	Like, just "touch filename" for each of the 'necessary' files other than the ones that actually are the rockbox bootloader.
03:08:44	soap	But is that all one needs? No hidden partition like the iPods? Is the only bootloader in ROM or something?
03:08:59	soap	shahal, ^
03:09:01	Llorean	Yeah, no hidden partitions or anything (if I'm remembering correctly)
03:09:10	shahal	my computer recognizes it and there is no issue accessing the f40 its just when it starts up is says system error because it missing the original files once i plug it into my comp it is replaced with a usb symbol
03:09:13	Llorean	You just need to have the right filenames in the right places, and all is well.
03:09:48	soap	what is spectial about FWIMG01.DAT which is a separate download on the wiki? 52.1K
03:09:56	Llorean	That's the Rockbox bootloader
03:10:03	soap	ahh
03:10:15	Llorean	Probably want to get a newer one from the download server.
03:10:31	soap	So, if shahal installs all the dummy files, _then_ RBUtil will be happy?
03:10:47	Llorean	The only advantage to having the OF was that the rockbox bootloader could uninstall itself (there wasn't dual boot in the past for the F, so Rockbox just restored the OF if you left the original OF files around)
03:10:52	Llorean	I think so
03:10:56	Llorean	I don't know what RBUtil looks for.
03:11:16	Llorean	But it should be happy with dummy files. Then again, if you install the dummies, then FWIMG01.DAT, then unzip Rockbox.zip you've got a full Rockbox install anyway
03:13:27	shahal	i can install the original f40 files with the gigabeat room aplication software right?
03:14:24	shahal	i tried once before but couldnt figure it out
03:18:59	soap	I believe so. The Gigabeat Room software was sought after for a while there (post Toshiba support) and that is the reason why IIRC. Rockbox on the Gigabeat, as Llorean said, doesn't support dual-boot so there is not much reason to bother installing the Toshiba files only to install Rockbox IF the dummy files do the trick.
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03:21:05	shahal	cant install gigabeat room on windows 7 lol
03:21:18	shahal	where can i find the dummy files
03:21:32	shahal	found them
03:21:34	soap_	ok the wiki
03:23:31	shahal	ok i got the dummy files and the FWIMG01.DAT just place them both on the gigebeat and then run the utility?
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03:28:55	soap_	get a current FWIMG01.DAT, not the one linked from the wiki.
03:29:05	soap_	ie the bootloader current download.
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03:34:57	bakuz	hello, can someone help me find the Rockbox-DevKit_v312, i think the link is dead.
03:36:14	krazykit	that won't be very useful as it's 5 years out of date
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03:36:49	krazykit	check out http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SimpleGuideToCompiling instead
03:38:20	*	sasquatch . o o ( maybe he has a reason to look for exactly that version... )
03:38:48	bakuz	no, i thought that the simple guide to compile was easy
03:38:58	bakuz	now that i see is out of date
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04:04:11	shahal	ok im doing something wrong
04:06:01	shahal	i put the dummy files and the FWIMG01.DAT in the fwim folder the bootloader installed but when i disconnect the power flip the switch off and flip the switch back to on and then hit the power button rockbox still does not load
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04:21:16	S_a_i_n_t	bakuz: Simple Guide to Compiling isn't out of date at all.
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04:36:06	shahal	does anyone know if a gigabeat f40 has to be a specific file system for rock box to work
04:36:17	krazykit	fat32
04:36:30	krazykit	shahal, when you turn it on, does it give any error message?
04:36:44	shahal	ya
04:36:55	shahal	the file system is ntfs
04:37:04	shahal	i need to change it to fat32
04:37:08	krazykit	yes you do.
04:37:36	shahal	trying to find a free program that will do it cause windows 7 wont
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04:38:46	krazykit	swissknife or fat32format should both work
04:39:32	shahal	i just got swiffknife but it wont let me use it without a lisence
04:39:41	shahal	swissknife v3
04:40:03	krazykit	http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?fat32format.htm
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04:47:13	shahal	krazykit thanks that worked and it was quick
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04:47:46	shahal	now just need to try and get rockbox on it
04:48:13	krazykit	you should be able to do the same thing as before; put the bootloader files in the right place and unzip a build into the root directory
04:49:27	shahal	i placed the dummy files and the FWIMG01.DAT in the FWIM folder on the gigabeat
04:49:43	shahal	should i restart it before using the utility
04:50:15	krazykit	as long as the device is mounted it shouldn't matter
04:50:23	shahal	ok
04:52:14	shahal	krazykit the fat32 did the trick
04:52:30	shahal	its running rockbox
04:52:35	shahal	thanks again
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04:54:04	krazykit	glad you got it running :)
04:55:23	shahal	one more question where do i place the music hehe
04:55:38	soap	wherever you want
04:55:50	soap	it would be wise, though, not to place it in the .rockbox folder.
04:56:04	shahal	i can make a music folder and place it in there
04:56:14	krazykit	yes
04:56:27	shahal	and even a genre folder for the different kinds as well
04:57:00	krazykit	whatever you want.
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04:57:10	shahal	ohh thats awsome
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04:59:07	soap	It would be wise not to make a music folder IN .rockbox
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05:05:10	shahal	ok where do i make it
05:05:51	krazykit	i just have a music/ directory in the root directory. simple enough.
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08:25:22	JdGordon\|	gevaerts: what interesting issues? I'm not sure that last checkin was correct
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10:18:14	gevaerts	JdGordon: segfaults due to backdrop_id being non-zero
10:18:29	JdGordon	backlight_id == 0 is valid
10:18:31	JdGordon	-1 is unset
10:19:33	gevaerts	right
10:19:40	gevaerts	OK, in that case more needs to be done
10:20:38	gevaerts	http://pastie.org/1232128 is what I got
10:22:16	gevaerts	So it looks like checkwps misses some initialisation?
10:26:22	JdGordon	shouldnt be... it gets reset on load
10:26:37	gevaerts	ok, but then it shouldn't segfault :)
10:27:20	JdGordon	oh, why not? :p
10:27:56	*	gevaerts throws rotten lemons at JdGordon
10:29:56	JdGordon	ah HA!
10:30:22	JdGordon	slightly interesting this hasnt crashed target
10:31:34	JdGordon	ok, I tihnk I'll change the ids to start at 1 instead of 0
10:31:38	JdGordon	after tv/dinner
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10:39:03	link4u_94	Hi guys!
10:39:52	link4u_94	i have run rockbox on my cowon d2 for a while now, but the thing is that my OF is kinda fuckedup. It wont boot.
10:40:31	link4u_94	first boot stage)
10:40:56	link4u_94	it updates the database, first boot stage
10:41:35	link4u_94	but then it hangs, displaying a green-purple raster, much like a color test for the screen
10:41:46	link4u_94	anyone have any idea what this is?
10:42:32	link4u_94	anyone even have a D2?
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10:48:16	webguest29	Hello everybody
10:50:37	webguest29	I installed rockbox on my sansa clip v1 but I find that, when playing mp3s, the sound is a little "strange" (it has artifacts in the high frequency range). The fact is that with the sandisk's orginal firmware that doesn't happen
10:51:04	webguest29	What this could be caused by?
10:52:36	webguest29	I thought maybe it's a libmad problem...
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10:55:51	webguest29	Hello everybody
10:56:48	webguest29	I installed rockbox on my sansa clip v1 but I find that, when playing mp3s, the sound is a little "strange" (it has artifacts in the high frequency range). The fact is that with the sandisk's orginal firmware that doesn't happen
10:58:27	JdGordon	no need to repeat yourself
10:58:48	webguest29	sorry I tought that message was lost...
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11:03:19	webguest29	anyway any idea about what could cause that?
11:03:58	gevaerts	webguest29: are you using any equaliser or bass/treble settings?
11:04:12	webguest29	not at all
11:05:23	gevaerts	Does it happen with specific files, or all of them?
11:05:33	webguest29	all of them
11:05:56	gevaerts	Have you tried something else than mp3?
11:06:13	webguest29	actually not
11:06:49	linuxstb	What bitrate are your mp3s?
11:07:11	*	gevaerts doesn't actually know much about the audio parts of rockbox, so he just asks generic questions to help clarify the issue while the experts wake up :)
11:07:27	webguest29	between 128 and 256 (I use vbr and abr mostly)
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11:30:08	pixelma	I recently see data aborts at boot on my c200 but it doesn't always happen, I need to experiment a bit moe
11:30:12	pixelma	more too
11:30:45	webguest29	what do you mean by "data aborts"?
11:30:47	wodz	pixelma: some progress with recording testing?
11:31:03	wodz	s/some/any/g
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11:31:30	pixelma	webguest29: an error message by Rockbox
11:31:52	webguest29	uhm...and what does it mean?
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11:32:18	pixelma	something went very wrong and it stops booting
11:32:52	pixelma	wodz: compiled a build yesterday, will put it on my Ondio now
11:33:09	wodz	nice
11:33:45	pixelma	webguest29: usually it means there is a bug somewhere ;)
11:33:58	gevaerts	pixelma: not always? :)
11:34:16	webguest29	I think that too
11:34:52	webguest29	but about my problem?
11:34:54	pixelma	ok, the only other reason I can imagine is file system corruption which I'll test now
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11:53:05	webguest29	Ok guys, now I have to go...I hope somebody investigates about the problem I exposed about the reproduction of mp3s on sansa clip v1. Bye
11:53:35	webguest29	sorry i meant playing of mp3s (I'm italian...)
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12:11:01	kugel	I have plans for the pitchscreen on touchscreen targets
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12:11:51	kugel	I think the grid mode is a good fit for it, what it needs is visible buttons for the non-directional actions (next mode/page/tab and quit)
12:12:37	kugel	basically, making it work with direct touch would mean to reimplement the grid mode there so I think that shouldn't be done
12:13:49	kugel	and I think the pitchscreen is the only blocker (if there's any blocker) for defaulting absolute point mode since it's completely unusable and not exit-able in that mode
12:14:21	kugel	the graphical eq has a non-graphical alternative so I don't think it's as bad
12:14:54	JdGordon	the lack of a touch enabled sbs is a bigger blocker imo
12:15:08	JdGordon	we can always switch back to grid when required very easily
12:15:11	kugel	that's not a blocker at all if you ask me
12:16:05	JdGordon	how difficult would left/right swiping be to add?
12:16:07	kugel	rockbox is perfectly useable without (although it's a little bit tricky sometimes). a touch sbs isn't essential, it'd just make things easier
12:17:09	gevaerts	So can we branch today?
12:17:10	kugel	not too hard I think. left-swiping should be easy, right-swiping shouldn't be done at all IMO
12:17:34	JdGordon	I agree
12:17:42	JdGordon	left scrolling is areally all i want anyway
12:17:47	JdGordon	(or right for rtl)
12:17:54	JdGordon	gevaerts: please! :)
12:17:55	kugel	but without some kind of animation left-swiping will be a bit akward
12:18:04	gevaerts	JdGordon: go ahead!
12:18:12	JdGordon	don't oyu want to?
12:18:22	kugel	no call for translators this time :(
12:18:26	gevaerts	I can do it, but not now
12:18:30	JdGordon	kugel: can we draw a nice arrow following the finger maybe?
12:18:44	gevaerts	If I have to do the branching, it will have to wait until I get home tonight
12:19:14	JdGordon	kugel: If we go the rolling stable idea then we can push the lang updates when they come
12:20:02	gevaerts	We can still commit translations to the release branch
12:20:31	gevaerts	And yes, I agree that planning this release is a mess, but I don't think we can gain much by stopping it and starting over
12:23:49	JdGordon	kugel: any idea how I'd go about wrapping open() on android?
12:24:09	JdGordon	specifially, how do i get the OS open() if open is #defined to something else?
12:30:33	kugel	do it the same way as opendir is wrapped I'd say
12:31:53	JdGordon	can you think of a good reason to not split RaaA-sdl sim_open() and sdl sim_open() ?
12:33:00	JdGordon	I want to keep as much RaaA code shared, so open() -> raaa_open() -> target_open(). raa_open() being identical
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12:35:56	kugel	the sdl port needs to interact with the sdl threads which is complicating it a bit
12:36:58	kugel	I don't have a good reason, but it seems to be a decision between keeping raaa code (sdl app and android app) or sdl code (sdl app and simulator) common
12:37:36	kugel	I think the latter makes more sense, since it's more likely that there will always be (at least subtle) differences between all the possible hosts so it'll always need a different implementation
12:42:02	kugel	or maybe I don't understand what you mean
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12:44:21	JdGordon	actually the biggest thing I'm having trouble wrapping my head around is with file.h #define open open_wrapper, and then calling real open() in the wrapper
12:46:28	kugel	you can #undef wrapper in the .c file
12:47:55	kugel	see firmware/target/hosted/android/fs-android.c
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12:54:20	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon; Would it be possible at all, to get the line selector to obey the definition for the screen width, instead of the UI viewports width? The "text is too close to the edge of the screen" thing with the iLike theme is bugging me.
12:54:46	JdGordon	no
12:55:05	S_a_i_n_t	gah, I figured as much...but thought I'd ask anyway.
12:55:07	JdGordon	I've thought about how to do that properly and keep coming up empty
12:55:59	S_a_i_n_t	I really want to be able to move the text away from the side of the screen, but still have the line selector run the whole width of the screen.
12:56:34	S_a_i_n_t	I think I'm going to have to add spaces to the front of all the menu entries and compile my own build specifically for iLike :/
12:57:00	S_a_i_n_t	s/all the menu entries/all the menu entries in the .lang files/
12:57:08	JdGordon	that is a silly way of doing it
12:57:19	JdGordon	s/silly/bloody stupid/
12:57:27	JdGordon	just add a space or three at runtime
12:57:35	JdGordon	much easier to keep in sync
12:57:58	S_a_i_n_t	How do you mean?
12:58:50	JdGordon	the text that is actually drawn on the display, you can add a few spaces to the lcd call
12:58:59	JdGordon	one or two line change
12:59:18	S_a_i_n_t	Hmmmmm...I hadn't thought about doing it like that.
12:59:35	S_a_i_n_t	You'd probably need to point me in the right direction, though.
12:59:39	pixelma	or "empty" icons?
12:59:51	S_a_i_n_t	s/probably/almost definitely/
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13:00:13	S_a_i_n_t	pixelma; I'd thought about that, but then the line selector won't go to the edge of the screen.
13:00:15	pixelma	hmm, maybe the line selector doesn't get drawn over the icon area either
13:00:37	S_a_i_n_t	I need it to run the full width of the screen unfortunately...otherwise I'd just do it with UI viewport.
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13:01:11	pixelma	indeed it doesn't, it once did a long long time ago
13:01:52	JdGordon	S_a_i_n_t: http://pastebin.com/p3qPF3hP should do it
13:02:01	S_a_i_n_t	Hmmm, that would fix my problem completely.
13:02:17	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon: TRhanks, I'll add it to my build and have a lookse.
13:02:23	S_a_i_n_t	*thanks, even.
13:02:36	JdGordon	you'll need something similar for the title, if oyu want it
13:02:58	S_a_i_n_t	You weren't supposed to do it for me ;) (but, thanks)
13:03:09	S_a_i_n_t	the title is always centred, so...that's fine.
13:03:12	JdGordon	and yes, according to the code the selector doesnt go under the icon
13:03:23	S_a_i_n_t	the .sbs handles the title.
13:03:24	JdGordon	S_a_i_n_t: like I said, 2 line change...
13:03:34	JdGordon	i.e Its not a big deal :D
13:03:42	JdGordon	explainig it to you would have been harder :p
13:04:06	JdGordon	I mean.... finding it was harder than the change
13:04:28	S_a_i_n_t	hehehe...how many spaces does that add? I can't see what that change/code is doing at all.
13:04:38	JdGordon	actually no, that wont work
13:04:48	S_a_i_n_t	Ah, bugger. :)
13:05:17	S_a_i_n_t	If you know a way that can work, I'll only need one space prepended to each line.
13:06:50	JdGordon	try this one http://pastebin.com/cfy2vmN6
13:07:14	JdGordon	hint: add the space after the translation stuff happens :p
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13:09:56	S_a_i_n_t	so...if I'd like to add another space, " %s" becomes " %s", or " %s" etc?
13:10:14	JdGordon	yeah
13:11:04	S_a_i_n_t	Aha...I see you added a comment, but it got cut off, and it will probably cry about not being a "closed" comment.
13:11:15	S_a_i_n_t	"/* put more s" isn;t very discriptive lol
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13:11:40	S_a_i_n_t	Thanks, however.
13:11:57	JdGordon	yes, it got cut off :p
13:12:21	S_a_i_n_t	cut it straight out of your console huh?
13:12:25	JdGordon	yeah
13:15:16	JdGordon	/home/jonno/rockbox-git/tools/buildzip.pl -v -m \"application\" -i \"100\" -r "/home/jonno/rockbox-git" −−rbdir="" -DAPPLICATION librockbox.so
13:15:17	JdGordon	buildzip: image=-DAPPLICATION fonts=
13:15:17	JdGordon	cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-frbdir="
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13:15:17	JdGordon	wtf?
13:15:17	JdGordon	where is frbdir coming from?
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13:25:23	wodz	On coldfire ~13% of decoding png time is calculation of checksum - do we really need this?
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13:33:25	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon: Just to be clear...in the code you added in the patch you just gave me, you added three spaces?
13:33:38	JdGordon	I didnt test it, but thats the plan
13:33:43	S_a_i_n_t	Or, was there supposed to be space(s) before the %s?
13:33:53	JdGordon	I wouldnt put it past me to add a backdor which rapes your cat
13:34:02	JdGordon	yes
13:34:08	S_a_i_n_t	Aha...ok, thanks. I've reduced it to one space. I'll test it out soon(-ish).
13:34:17	JdGordon	" %s" the spaces are important
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13:35:08	S_a_i_n_t	Oh, ok...shit. How many spaces (if there's not an additional space) shold there be?
13:35:18	S_a_i_n_t	*sholud
13:35:19	JdGordon	as many as you want
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13:35:22	S_a_i_n_t	...fail
13:35:52	S_a_i_n_t	errr...wait, I'm confused. the spaces are important, or not?
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13:36:42	AlexP	yes
13:37:23	JdGordon	only as much as the whole point is the adding of said spaces
13:37:29	S_a_i_n_t	I mean, I want " Settings" as opposed to "Settings"...so I'd use " %s" <−− (only one space before the % sign)
13:37:31	AlexP	The bits inside " " are printed with %s replaced by the entry name
13:38:09	AlexP	You could put e.g. "This entry is %s" and get "This entry is Settings"
13:38:15	S_a_i_n_t	right, so one space before the % == one space prepended to the setting/entry etc.
13:38:18	S_a_i_n_t	gotcha.
13:43:56	wodz	AlexP: I did some test of png viewer and I don't see simple way to speed up decoding on coldfire. The only thing which can be done easily is to not calculate checksum of decompressed data as it takes ~13% of png decompression
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13:51:03	AlexP	wodz: OK, well I wouldn't worry too much, thanks for trying. How quick is it on an arm targte btw?
13:51:30	wodz	on PP it is 2 times faster
13:51:40	AlexP	OK
13:52:09	linuxstb	wodz: APE for example has a built-in checksum which Rockbox doesn't bother to calculate. If speed is important, then I would say to just skip it.
13:54:48	AlexP	What is the checksum used for? If it is skipped and the image is corrupt as long as RB doesn't crash I don't really see the need
13:56:01	linuxstb	I would imagine it's too late by then. Any crashes would happen during image decoding.
13:57:26	wodz	test broken png from libpng site doesn't crash rb with checksum turned off
13:57:45	AlexP	linuxstb: So the checksum really doesn't add anything except tell you that the image is corrupt and not what you are meant to be seeing?
13:58:23	wodz	decoder checks how much space does it have for output data so crash is rather unlikely
13:59:00	wodz	honestly I don't see the point of calculating checksum other than it is required by the standard
13:59:01	pixelma	wodz: I remember testing the v3 version of the png viewer on my M5 and had a set of same sized pngs where 2 gave me a "zlib decompression error" (or similar) and I couldn't find out where the difference to the working ones was. I'll test the new version too. Those weren't even big files (about 100x30 pixels, would need to look up the file size)
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14:00:12	wodz	pixelma: If you find strange behaving PNGs please upload it to FS so I could look at it
14:00:17	linuxstb	wodz: The standard requires encoders to put it there, or decoders to check it?
14:00:53	pixelma	wodz: ok, those files are even done by me, so there won't be copyright questions ;)
14:04:22	wodz	well adler32 checksum is 100% redundand as png contains crc32 of the whole compressed block
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15:55:20	slade67	Hallo Everybody. I wanted to know if anybody of you has hardware Details on Samsung YP-R0 series? I will get mine tomorrow and want to see what I can do porting rockbox. Thanks
15:55:48	S_a_i_n_t	Google probably does ;)
15:56:08	S_a_i_n_t	aside from that, crack it open when you get it and scan the PCBs
15:56:47	S_a_i_n_t	then ask Google about the chips you find, if you're lucky enough for them to be labled, correctly.
15:57:31	S_a_i_n_t	then check out: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/NewPort
15:57:40	S_a_i_n_t	and : http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/PortingHowTo
15:58:09	S_a_i_n_t	and finally: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/DevelopmentGuide
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16:05:27	slade67	ok thanks i'll see what I can do
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16:18:20	slade67	i do have another question from what I understand you do already have a generic version. which means the root system should be able to boot either way?so it should be possible to start from generic and add hardware support step by step?
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16:26:01	evilnick_B	slade67 / for the logs: There is no "generic" Rockbox version. They are all built for the hardware in the target players.
16:26:55	S_a_i_n_t	Yeah, I had no idea what he meant there either. I was going to comment but he left before I pressed enter.
16:27:37	S_a_i_n_t	I think he saw the other Samsung Y's and assumed there was a basic package for them that needed only a few tweaks.
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17:29:51	kiko_	hello, so i have an 4th gen ipod with rockbox and when i play an mp3 file it starts to break the music for 1s between every 5s, i searched the forum and the bug report but being such a nood and windows user i can't patch my rockbox. I don't know if you could help me...
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17:34:06	saratoga	kiko_: all mp3s or just one specific one?
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17:36:32	kiko_	all mp3's
17:36:36	evilnick_B	kiko_: Do you have EQ/crossfeed on? It might be that the CPU can't cope with having to do all the work in realtime and so has to stop and catch up every so often.
17:36:48	kiko_	right ´
17:37:34	kiko_	i'm going to turn of the eq and crossfeed
17:40:30	kiko_	i think it did the job, thanks
17:41:39	evilnick_B	No problem
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18:00:39	saratoga	i'm surprised EQ and mp3 skip on the 4G
18:00:44	saratoga	there should be plenty of CPU for both
18:01:20	evilnick_B	Bitrate would (might?) be a factor too. At least as I understand things.
18:01:50	n1s	bitrate doesn't make a big diff for mp3
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18:29:41	saratoga	20MHz for MP3 decoding, and about 5 MHz per EQ band
18:29:46	saratoga	i wonder where the rest of the CPU time went
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18:40:28	pixelma	he also said he had crossfeed on and who knows what other DSP features
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18:47:01	*	S_a_i_n_t understands what FS #11689 does, but not how to do it... :-/
18:48:16	S_a_i_n_t	I understand you can define "setting name: setting value(s), but not how you deine what setting name does, or how setting values are applied to setting name.
18:48:22	S_a_i_n_t	...quite confusing.
18:48:46	S_a_i_n_t	There's a lot of text in the explanation, that the more I read it says less and less.
18:50:49	S_a_i_n_t	Though I can't imagine much use for it, as all the really useful settings or settings likely to occur already exist...but, it seems useful. If only I could figure the bloody thing out :-S
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19:25:38	Strife89	Do the 5th-gen iPods' hardware allow for plugging a mic into the headphone jack (like the 4th-gen iPods)?
19:26:11	S_a_i_n_t	I think it plugs through the dock connector
19:26:44	Strife89	Yeah, IpodStatus mentions that.
19:27:33	TheLemonMan	saratoga, im the guy on the ABI forum
19:27:52	Strife89	S_a_i_n_t: I don't have anything that can feed a signal through there, though, so I basically have to rely on the headphone jack.
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19:28:53	S_a_i_n_t	Strife89: I have been wanting to study the pin configuration and "butcher-ize" a passively powered mic and an iPod dock cable for some time now...haven't got around to it though.
19:29:17	S_a_i_n_t	I have plenty of dock conectors willing to give their lives for the casue.
19:30:07	Strife89	IpodStatus makes no mention of "headphone-miking" on the 5G iPods (not even to-do), so I'm guessing Apple dropped that from 4G to 5G.
19:30:13	Strife89	Pity.
19:30:47	*	S_a_i_n_t wonders if liar has seen the comments ragarding the (rather annoying) "white fullscreen flash" with FS #11604 - IPod Nano2G lcd_sleep implementation
19:31:23	S_a_i_n_t	I'm about 99% certain that that patch would go in if that issue was to be resolved.
19:31:51	S_a_i_n_t	There's the potential there for some pretty nice power savings.
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19:37:29	liar	S_a_i_n_t: do you see this issue on both lcd types?
19:38:17	S_a_i_n_t	liar: Yes.
19:38:54	S_a_i_n_t	It happens on boot (I assume when the LCD code initialises), and when the LCD wakes.
19:39:22	S_a_i_n_t	It's a quick (but very noticable), white, fullscreen flash.
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19:40:29	S_a_i_n_t	It used to "click" when it flashed also on my Nanos until Buschell lowered the power that the LCD is getting...and that also stops the annoying high pitched scream from the LCD too which is a bonus.
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20:10:59	CIA-107	New commit by 03gevaerts (r28309): Branch for 3.7
20:11:17	gevaerts	there, that should get things moving!
20:12:20	saratoga	woot
20:12:54	gevaerts	rasher: maybe another call for translations?
20:13:07	rasher	Oh indeed
20:13:13	rasher	Maybe I should even do some translating of my own
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20:28:01	LambdaCalculus	Question: Is it safe to say that Rockbox's USB mode is slower than that of an iPod's USB mode?
20:28:25	gevaerts	It's safe in that probably nobody will come after you :)
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20:29:27	LambdaCalculus	gevaerts: :)
20:30:01	gevaerts	I don't really think it's generally true though
20:30:27	*	evilnick_B requests a change in the topic now that we're in a freeze
20:30:46	gevaerts	I know nearly everyone reports that, but I also know that my own tests on ipod video 5G 30GB don't show a significant difference
20:31:03	gevaerts	My tests are a bit artificial though, since I don't copy a bunch of files and see how long it takes
20:31:29	gevaerts	elcan: we're not!
20:31:39	gevaerts	evilnick_B: we're not!
20:31:45	*	gevaerts apologises to elcan
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20:32:13	AlexP	evilnick_B: There you go
20:32:47	AlexP	evilnick_B: The topic never got to see the freeze, that was last week :)
20:32:49	LambdaCalculus	gevaerts: My iPod video is pretty fast with file transfers over Rockbox's USB stack, but I think it also has to do with the CF mod I did.
20:33:07	CIA-107	New commit by 03gevaerts (r28310): Release branch: ...
20:34:35	gevaerts	LambdaCalculus: maybe. I suspect there's a difference between our SCSI bits and Apple's which make Windows use different settings somehow
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20:48:19	RandomAcronym	The track progress bar on the now playing screen never moves; except when I'm using the themes the came with RockBox. (Fuze v2 newness build) Can anyone help?
20:51:03	evilnick_B	RandomAcronym: It's probably the .wps tags having changed since the theme(s) were written
20:51:53	alexbobP	newneww?
20:51:58	alexbobP	*newness
20:52:04	alexbobP	what does that "newness build" mean?
20:52:50	RandomAcronym	I don't know the number but I just updated it.
20:54:45	alexbobP	ah, okay
20:54:57	alexbobP	I didn't know if that was a technical term or the name of a build or something XD
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21:00:16	RandomAcronym	The last update was July 2010, has it changed sense?
21:00:54	evilnick_B	RandomAcronym: It (Rockbox) changes many times a day, the .wps screen has probably changed a great deal in that time
21:03:23	RandomAcronym	Wow,how do the theme devs keep up?
21:03:34	gevaerts	tools
21:03:41	gevaerts	There's a theme convertor somewhere
21:03:47	evilnick_B	Sorry, yes, there's a tool to update themes
21:04:03	*	evilnick_B can't believe he hasn't mentioned that before :(
21:04:06	gevaerts	And those many changes a day don't all involve wps syntax :)
21:05:28	RandomAcronym	Can I get that? I rely like The "Electric Bars Of Colour" theme.
21:06:25	gevaerts	RandomAcronym: if it's a theme from the theme site, just re-download it
21:06:30	gevaerts	Those were converted
21:07:00	RandomAcronym	I just got this Fuze last week.
21:07:38	RandomAcronym	And I re-downloaded it yesterday.
21:08:15	gevaerts	hm
21:08:22	gevaerts	then maybe there's something else going on
21:08:34	*	gevaerts leaves this to people who know about theming
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21:11:41	RandomAcronym	It is not that much of a big deal but I would like it to work.
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21:19:19	CIA-107	New commit by 03bertrik (r28311): Spanish language update - FS #11688 by Francisco Vila
21:20:47	CIA-107	r28311 build result: All green
21:23:13	bertrik	I guess I have to check out the 3.7 branch, then check in this same commit, right?
21:24:20	gevaerts	That would be best
21:24:41	gevaerts	If not, someone else can do it of course
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21:28:00	pixelma	the progress bar needs to be in a viewport since recently (everything except default viewport)
21:28:57	pixelma	I don't think there was an automated update of the themes (also some wouldn't need one) and there is no tool for that
21:29:19	RandomAcronym	where can I get the tool?
21:30:15	RandomAcronym	:( Sorry,just re-read your post.
21:30:30	pixelma	as far as I know not seeing the bar update is caused by that. You need to update the theme manually or maybe get the attention of the theme author or some other
21:31:29	RandomAcronym	The thing is: all the themes I download off the site have this problem.
21:32:37	RandomAcronym	But the ones that downloaded with Rockbox work right.
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21:33:48	CIA-107	New commit by 03bertrik (r28312): Spanish language update - FS #11688 by Francisco Vila
21:35:49	*	pixelma wished the theme site would show the content of the .wps files etc. so that someone wanting to look at the code doesn't have to download the zip
21:36:39	RandomAcronym	It dose.
21:36:51	RandomAcronym	...I think
21:36:57	AlexP	No it doesn't
21:37:17	AlexP	You cannot look at the code inside e.g. the .wps file without downloading and extracting the theme
21:37:35	pixelma	it shows the content of the zip but nothing more
21:38:10	RandomAcronym	Ok. My mistake.
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21:49:52	RandomAcronym	how close is Fuze v2 to being stable?
21:50:11	kugel	quite i'd say
21:50:14	alexbobP	it is pretty usable for me, with a few stability problems that are all avoidable
21:50:27	alexbobP	definitely has some bugs to fix, but I'm happily using it
21:51:19	RandomAcronym	It works well for me too.
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21:52:49	bertrik	IIRC, there were some issues with the fuze v2 getting in some weird state when plugging USB, and some fuzes getting very hot for some odd reason
21:53:37	RandomAcronym	when do you guys think it will be marked "stable"?
21:53:59	n1s	when the bugs that are preventing it being marked stable are fixed
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21:55:05	RandomAcronym	that's a non-answer. :)
21:55:32	wodz	AlexP, pixelma: I uploaded new version of png imageviewer patch to FS #11641. If You have some time please test.
21:55:42	n1s	no, it's the only answer we can give that isn't a guess taken out of thin air
21:56:02	AlexP	RandomAcronym: You can accept that or "we don't know"
21:56:34	RandomAcronym	that's an answer,thanks.
21:56:37	AlexP	Of course, I could pull a date out of my arse if it makes you happy :)
21:57:13	AlexP	wodz: Will do
21:57:24	RandomAcronym	As long as you don't use valve-time, it will!
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22:00:01	AlexP	wodz: Thanks for the two patch versions incidently :)
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22:05:11	wodz	AlexP: I just try to be polite and make life easier for potential testers.
22:07:36	AlexP	wodz: Works fine, seems a second or so faster which is cool (6 s instead of 7ish)
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22:11:33	wodz	AlexP: As written in description of the patch, I removed adler32 checksum calculation. In PNG chunk header there is crc32 checksum of compressed data so I don't see the point of calculating another checksum against decompressed content
22:11:51	AlexP	Sounds reasonable to me
22:24:31	wodz	How do we load plugins in the sim? I tried to produce .map file for plugin when compiling sim and I only get relative offset
22:26:01	kugel	wodz: shared libraries
22:27:26	wodz	kugel: we don't have control over where plugin is loaded in mem than right?
22:27:35	CIA-107	New commit by 03rasher (r28313): Ignore these revisions as they did not include actual translations
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22:34:57	pixelma	moos: we have some Polish committers btw., I think it's better to having them commit language updates or at least have a look at these before
22:35:30	kugel	wodz: right
22:36:07	kugel	so yes, all the maps will have is 0-relative adresses (relocatable)
22:36:22	moos	pixelma: hello, thanks for the tips, I probably missed his commits, my bad
22:36:32	wodz	so there is no (simple) way to provide profiling support in the sim
22:37:05	kugel	IIRC profiling shared libraries is generally a pain
22:37:30	pixelma	wodz: I'll test
22:38:06	moos	pixelma: I remenber that we had a list somewhere in docs whith mainteners...maybe a good moment to update the list for the upcoming release
22:38:26	wodz	kugel: I mean currently configure let's you choose profiling build and sim. Currently this is broken and there is not simple way to fix
22:39:27	moos	pixelma: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/docs/MAINTAINERS?view=markup
22:40:10	wodz	kugel: Is there a way to know where dlopen() loaded our file?
22:40:26	kugel	wodz: yes
22:41:14	kugel	dlsym returns adresses so you could try to call it with ".text"
22:42:11	wodz	hmm so we can 'workaround' this by printing the base to the console and provide a way to convert relocatable .map
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22:47:38	pixelma	moos: depends on if they want to do that :)
22:48:36	moos	indeed, of course :)
22:49:09	moos	maybe some didn't even know the existence of the file (optimistic here)
22:51:10	AlexP	pixelma: Is there much point in a manual bit there? If so, I guess we should be in there
22:52:17	pixelma	hmm, may be nice. On the other hand the file seems to be forgotten a bit about
22:53:08	pixelma	e.g. it still has a "mandelbrot" maintainer ;)
22:53:49	moos	AlexP, pixelma you surely should !
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22:56:37	AlexP	Bit out of date that file
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23:31:41	CIA-107	New commit by 03torne (r28314): rockboxdev.sh: Fix build failure on cygwin by not trying to remove the current directory ...
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23:33:20	CIA-107	r28314 build result: All green
23:34:14	Torne	yeah thanks for that cia, shame that didn't actually test it ;)
23:35:46	n1s	it is helpful like that :)
23:37:32	Torne	it's probably fine
23:37:38	Torne	you just can't rmdir $CWD on windows
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