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#rockbox log for 2010-10-23

00:00:00robin0800XaNdEr2k9: just enable it i think
00:00:03LloreanEnabling disk mode in iTunes isn't likely to fix the problem. A scan for disk errors might help.
00:00:14alexbobPXaNdEr2k9: try this: make a folder on the device
00:00:25krazykitalexbobP, i already suggested that and it didn't work...
00:00:27LloreanDisk mode more or less allows / prevents you from seeing it as a disk, you should still be able to write to it if/when you can see it.
00:00:31alexbobPkrazykit: he couldn't make the folder?
00:00:34alexbobPwell that clears that up then
00:00:49alexbobPXaNdEr2k9: what OS are you in right now, windows or linux?
00:01:11alexbobPokay, go to control panel, find administrative tools, find "computer management", and go to the disk manager in it
00:01:20alexbobPyou can use that to reformat your mp3 player (back up anything you need first)
00:01:28alexbobPgive it a fresh fat32 and then try the rockbox again...
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00:05:26XaNdEr2k9hang on getting interupt signals bad... comp needs restart iexplorer is being retarted
00:05:52XaNdEr2k9ok there we go....restart maybe not needed
00:06:09XaNdEr2k9reformatted through comp manager says healthy drive
00:06:30XaNdEr2k9but on disk 1 (which claims to be ipod G:)
00:06:31alexbobPcan you make folders on it now?
00:06:50XaNdEr2k9it says that there are 2 partitions and one is 78mb of unallocated space
00:06:57XaNdEr2k9is that norm?
00:07:49XaNdEr2k9still cant make folders but that could be due to restrictions of comp. I locked windows down too much and just havent had the motivation to change settings back
00:08:08robin0800XaNdEr2k9: yes don't touch that
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00:08:42XaNdEr2k9im new to the ipod stuff as far as tech side goes so is that the firmware partition?
00:09:18alexbobPXaNdEr2k9: the unallocated space shouldn't be a problem, as long as it's at the end and not the beginning...
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00:09:19robin0800XaNdEr2k9: thats the ipod operating system hidden ofcourse
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00:09:48alexbobPXaNdEr2k9: you know if you have computer restrictions preventing you from writing to disk, those same restrictions are probably stopping rockbox utility from doing it :P
00:09:59XaNdEr2k9it is showing up BEFORE the ipod G: part
00:10:12alexbobPwell I assume robin0800 knows what he's talking about
00:10:15alexbobPso leave it alone
00:10:19alexbobPI don't own an ipod, I use sansa...
00:11:00XaNdEr2k9well then if there is someone that ownes or knows ipod is the unallocated space supposed to show before or after the fat32 partiton?
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00:12:13XaNdEr2k9im not sure everything that the previous owner did to the unit, as i said earlier i just bought it from them today so they may have tried to jailbreak themselves and fucked up or something
00:12:50alexbobPI don't think they would have been trying to jailbreak an ipod nano
00:12:52alexbobPthat'd be pretty dumb
00:13:01XaNdEr2k9ok so if i take the ipod out of diskmode and reconnect and have itunes restore the ipod then would it maybe work
00:13:27XaNdEr2k9i call all the shit nowdays jailbreak, thats my main intention is to jailbreak my ps3 with this one
00:13:28robin0800XaNdEr2k9: providing it worked after your restore it should be ok
00:13:44XaNdEr2k9i have a nano 5th g that i use for norm use
00:13:57alexbobPfo shame, no rockbox on the nano 5g :/
00:14:20XaNdEr2k9ya i know
00:14:28XaNdEr2k9thats why i had to buy the 1 g today
00:15:18XaNdEr2k9ok, disconnected ipod and everything seems to work like a normal out of box ipod
00:15:30XaNdEr2k9had to select language after disconnect
00:15:43XaNdEr2k9all norm OEM options are there
00:15:51robin0800XaNdEr2k9: tick the box on i tunes to enable disk mode
00:17:05XaNdEr2k9as soon as i connect ipod itunes says it detected ipod in recovery mode and i must restore
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00:17:12XaNdEr2k9but i dont have it in manual disk mode
00:17:26XaNdEr2k9menu+select to restart and connected back to pc
00:17:42XaNdEr2k9norm for uninstalling rockbox bootload?
00:18:35XaNdEr2k9restoring through itunes and waiting for restart
00:19:00XaNdEr2k9gave me the same err again??????
00:19:04XaNdEr2k9ipod in recovery mode
00:19:16XaNdEr2k9but i had music on it and it all ran and worked
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00:19:39XaNdEr2k9maybe i should swich to laptop to install and stuff?
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00:20:36XaNdEr2k9switched to laptop on ipod and i can create folders through explorer now
00:20:47XaNdEr2k9maybe my desktop itunes is corrupt
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00:22:54XaNdEr2k9one more question before i try setup on i HAVE to run ipod through itunes before install of rockbox?
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00:26:54XaNdEr2k9ty to all who helped....i got it working just fine on laptop
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00:27:17robin0800XaNdEr2k9: I could be wrong but I think you must enable disk mode
00:27:32XaNdEr2k9that tells me that i need to reinstall my vista partition. thanx again for pointing out details...
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00:28:12robin0800XaNdEr2k9: in i tunes i mean
00:28:12XaNdEr2k9i have rockbox on ipod now without disk mod or anything. just hooked up to laptop running vista only and ran autoinstall utility...didnt even use itunes
00:28:17XaNdEr2k9worked like a charm
00:28:45XaNdEr2k9didnt enable disk mode or anything, restored from desktop and plugged in throu laptop
00:29:59XaNdEr2k9disconnected from laptop, ipod auto restarted and started into rockbox without a problem
00:30:01XaNdEr2k9ty again ppl
00:30:21XaNdEr2k9i guess you have a little added info now too, dont need disk mode and dont need itunes
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00:30:28wastrelmy mp3s disappeared from my rockbox
00:30:39XaNdEr2k9at least for nano 1g
00:31:42XaNdEr2k9and just to say......this shits pretty slick, kudos to programmers!!!
00:31:45XaNdEr2k9i like it
00:31:58XaNdEr2k9now port it to 5g so i can use it on that too!!!!
00:33:09wastreli can see them when i mount w/ usb
00:33:20wastrelbut in the rockbox interface, they aren't there
00:33:59robin0800XaNdEr2k9: from the front page Apple: iPod 1g through 5.5g
00:34:37wastrelsomehow the show files setting got hosed
00:34:41XaNdEr2k9ipod nano 5g
00:34:49XaNdEr2k9the new one with camera
00:35:00XaNdEr2k9not useable
00:35:20XaNdEr2k9just had to buy nano 1g with 1gig today to use
00:35:43XaNdEr2k9getting ready to port ps3 jailbreak to it and jailbreak ps3 thru psgroove
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01:30:33bluefoxxAnybody in here know the pinout of the Olympus Mrobe-100's dock/usb connector?
01:32:03bluefoxxI've managed to figure out which ones are power and ground, however, I can't get it to connect to my PC so far
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04:14:35KiwiCamSay I have a viewport (call it 1) which shows the Time. I'd like to set up a conditional where if %mp is Play, show the Time | Pause, show clock (and in ANOTHER viewport (2), the Next track | Fastforward - show an animation in this viewport 1 | Rewind, likewise, another animation. I've got a version going where it shows the text FF or RW and PAUSE, but the writing is too big for pause.
04:17:08S_a_i_n_t%?mp<|%vd(1)|your pause VP||your rewind VP|>
04:17:13KiwiCamSo, I could either run some changing text such as "<<<<" for rewind, or use a bitmap in viewport 1. If I use text how do I animate that? With a bitmap, can I overlay another viewport over the existing one?
04:17:40S_a_i_n_tit's never good to overlay viewports.
04:17:45KiwiCamSo far, I've just got this: %?mp<|%ac%?St(time format)<%cH|%cl>:%cM|%ac PAUSE|%ac FF|%ac RW|||||>
04:17:53S_a_i_n_tyou can animate text using sublines just the same as an image
04:18:31S_a_i_n_tif you're centering all your text...there's no need to have the alignment tags in every segment
04:18:38S_a_i_n_tjust begin the line with %ac
04:19:22KiwiCamI've created bitmap animations for FF and RW and they run fine in another viewport, so I'd like to integrate them with viewport 1.
04:19:42S_a_i_n_tIt would also be better to display your text in a conditional viewport if you can, instead of calling it with %mp
04:19:46S_a_i_n_tbut, that's up to you.
04:20:17S_a_i_n_tand sure, you can integrate them...just position them relative to the viewport you want to put them in.
04:21:21KiwiCamConditional. So using Vl & Vd instead of just V( ???
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04:24:31KiwiCamSo the FF & RW viewports would be Preloads Vl ??? and the Clock viewport 1 would be a Vd ???
04:25:03S_a_i_n_tevery %Vd needs to be %Vl'd
04:25:08S_a_i_n_tif that makes sense to you.
04:25:50S_a_i_n_t%V(blah) is always static..and will always be displayed.
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04:28:20KiwiCamI need to get my head around it. Can you suggest another theme? iCatcher and iLike don't use this method.
04:29:08S_a_i_n_tiLike calls viewports with other conditions in several places.
04:30:21KiwiCamI see now. What's the C as in %?C represent?
04:30:25S_a_i_n_tvolume and progressbar handling is a good example
04:30:37KiwiCamMust be Hold.
04:30:39S_a_i_n_t%?C == "is Album art present"
04:31:16S_a_i_n_thold ==%?mh<yes|no>
04:31:57KiwiCamAh ha. No album art in the Sansa Clip :) I was looking at Preload Images - %xl(C,Hold.bmp...
04:34:08KiwiCamAlbum Art. I've been completely skipping over that part of the help file as it wasn't relevant to the Clip.
04:34:25S_a_i_n_tpretty sure the Clip(s) could do albumart...but it certainly wouldn't be pretty.
04:34:41S_a_i_n_tMind you, nothing's pretty on a Clip(s) display ;)
04:35:44KiwiCamYou should see Doom on it ;)
04:36:06KiwiCamAs in why did I bother? Heh heh.
04:36:34S_a_i_n_tDoom on the Clip(s) is more of a novelty, it's really a miracle that even works.
04:36:46S_a_i_n_tWhether its playable or not ;)
04:38:22KiwiCamOk. So, I'll have a much closer look at your iLike theme and break it down, so I can understand how the preloads work. Thanks.
04:38:54S_a_i_n_tfrom memory, there's only one or three static viewports in the entire theme.
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04:51:37S_a_i_n_tI don't really want to add to the thread, as it wasn't me that experienced it personally...well, it was kinda. but I just had someone at my door with a V2 Fuze I RB'd a while ago with this exact issue.
04:52:29S_a_i_n_tI cracked 'er open, and there was some discolouring in the bottom left (looking at the front), or bottom right (looking at the back) of the PCB
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04:53:00S_a_i_n_tHe had to bugger off for a bit, but I hope to get my paws on the device shortly to see what I can find out.
04:54:15S_a_i_n_talso that weird "something's cookin' " electronic smell was quite evident on opening it up. it apparently coincided with ramping up wheel and backlight brightness to full for "daylight use"
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05:54:47shuffle2soo having two partitions on my ipod works fine in disk mode
05:55:02S_a_i_n_twhy wouldn't it?
05:55:08shuffle2but when running rockbox only one is shown
05:55:15shuffle2pointers on how to fix?
05:55:16S_a_i_n_tas expected.
05:55:27S_a_i_n_tnothing to "fix" as I understand it.
05:55:51shuffle2add, then
05:56:40shuffle2<insert verb of your choice meaning i may access other partitions while rockbox is running>
05:57:22S_a_i_n_tAs I understand it, you'd only be able to have a different RB installation on each partition.
05:57:29S_a_i_n_teach wouldn't be aware of the other
05:58:20shuffle2presumably i need to change usb_storage.c to allow this, just looking for pointers before i try blindly
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09:42:50S_a_i_n_tAny devwith a Nano2G *NOT* running iLoader/emBIOS feel like debugging the SVN bootloader?
09:44:52S_a_i_n_tit seems that only the "built in" iPodpatcher version works.
09:45:04S_a_i_n_tCurent SVN whitescreens the player
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10:04:59pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: since WPS/core albumart doesn't use the greylib, there won't be albumart on monochrome displays
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10:13:24wodzpixelma: MAS_cleanup_21102010.diff is screwed up. It looks different than my tree and I don't know why to be honest. Maybe I screwed something up when hand editing offending hunks to apply cleanly to svn checkout.
10:14:09pixelmaI suspected something like that
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10:20:06S_a_i_n_tpixelma: My statement was more along the lines of "it could probably be done, but it would look like ass". I'm aware it isn't done presently.
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11:32:29bertrikS_a_i_n_t, I think you can just do svn diff -r <revision> <filename>
11:33:38bertrikalso very useful is svn diff -c <revision> to see all changes made in a certain commit (so you can make a patch to revert that change for example)
11:34:13S_a_i_n_tbertrik: Thanks...was just resorting to reading the bloody gargantuan man page(s) for diff and svn
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11:38:19bertrikS_a_i_n_t, I won't mind working a bit on a serial driver for IAP on the nano2g, except I don't have a nano2g and I don't have any ipod accessories
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11:39:30S_a_i_n_tAha, right. Well, I could do I "hey's time to buy your own stuff" recall ;)
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11:40:55bertrikIs any of those accessories you have an "active" one, I mean an accessory that actually interacts through the ipod accessory protocol?
11:42:33bertrikBTW, I notices we don't really have a nice serial port / UART API
11:42:57S_a_i_n_tI'd assume so, I have a dock/wireless remote combo thing., how do I find out the revision of the Nano2G bootloader currently available via iPodpatcher...?
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11:47:23S_a_i_n_tah...well, that was easy. assuming the SVN tags can be trusted.
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11:49:55JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: I realised that patch to put the backdrops into the audio buffer is STUPID, and I wont be commiting it any time soon :p
11:50:03JdGordonit should use that buffer as a last resort, not firs
11:50:35S_a_i_n_tthere's not a way to use it as a last resort it knows on loading if it's going to fit or not.
11:50:46S_a_i_n_tie. before playback.
11:50:58S_a_i_n_tso it kinda makes sense to steal from that buffer then.
11:51:10S_a_i_n_ts/then/at that time/
11:51:28JdGordonthe backdrop size is static so we can know if it will fit in the remaining buffer
11:51:34JdGordonand backdrops are the last things to load
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11:57:17TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: Does it work when run through embios?
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11:57:39TheSeventhe svn bootloader
11:57:50TheSeven(re 2 hours ago)
11:58:55S_a_i_n_tAh, Hmmm...I can't test that. The one Iloaderified Nano2G I have is at work with the GF.
11:59:04S_a_i_n_tand that was *way* before emBIOS
11:59:50S_a_i_n_tthe only nano2G bootloader I know to work is v1.0 from ipodpatcher
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12:01:00S_a_i_n_tcurrent SVN bootloader displays the Apple screen for a brief period, then whitescreens indefinitely
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12:16:25S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: the diff from the known good bootloader, and SVN is *tiny*
12:17:03S_a_i_n_tI can't see anything obviously "bad" with my untrained/un-learned eye...but there's not a lot to choose from.
12:18:28TheSevenyould you pastebin that somewhere?
12:18:42S_a_i_n_tjust doing that now.
12:21:08S_a_i_n_t26286 (last ipodpatcher release) against current SVN
12:22:06JdGordondomonoky: hey, did you have a vm to do theme site dev work with?
12:23:26TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: whatever broke, it probably isn't in that file, but somewhere in a driver instead
12:23:32domonokyJdGordon: only a very old vm, dont know if it wouldnt be better to make a new one..
12:23:37TheSevendo you have that lcd sleep patch applied?
12:24:07S_a_i_n_tYeah, I do.
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12:24:35S_a_i_n_tclean svn doesn't whitescreen...but doesn't boot eaither
12:24:47S_a_i_n_tI get a black screen instead ;)
12:25:30JdGordondomonoky: I cant image the theme site has changed since :)
12:27:02KiwiCamS_a_i_n_t: Hey. Just a quite message. I'm onto it now. Thanks for the advice once again.
12:27:14KiwiCamquite = quick
12:27:51S_a_i_n_tNo worries, I learnt the same way you are now...dropped in the deep end ;)
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12:28:22JdGordonKiwiCam: hows your skinning effort going? how would you like to write up a beginners guide ? :)
12:28:28domonokyJdGordon: i will upload it somewhere, then you can try if it still works :-)
12:28:52S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: Hey!
12:29:00S_a_i_n_tquit pawning your work off! :P
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12:29:49JdGordondomonoky: cool, how big is it?
12:30:46JdGordonAssuming I get this forum thread thing working, is it possible to add a new column to the database without breaking everything?
12:30:59JdGordonOr would I need to add a new table with theme id and the new info?
12:31:30domonokyit should be possible, sometime ago i added support for that..
12:33:11domonokyprivate/db.class.php defines all tables, if you add something, it should export-modify-import the data in the table on first access.
12:33:52JdGordonI'll bug you when I get my side working before fiddling there
12:33:59JdGordon.... unless you can help with the php :D
12:34:25*domonoky doesnt know much php, just enough that i could fiddle with the themesite :-)
12:34:56JdGordon:p ditto
12:44:18TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: lockup without lcd changes when executed through embios
12:44:24TheSeventhis used to work a week ago
12:45:03S_a_i_n_tsvn bootloader's been broken since far longer than that.
12:45:20S_a_i_n_tI've just started calling attention to it since you're additions to it.
12:45:28S_a_i_n_tI'd like to see another bootloader release.
12:45:40TheSeveni verified that it worked through embios after adding the menu button thing
12:45:54S_a_i_n_ts/calling attention to it/calling attention to it again/
12:46:06S_a_i_n_tHmmm, weird.
12:46:27S_a_i_n_tpersonally, I haven't gotten an svn bootloader to work, ever.
12:46:42S_a_i_n_tI'm stuck on 1.0 from ipodpatcher.
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12:49:53pacovilaHello. FS #11694 is a patch to update Spanish language translation. Would someone take it a look? Thankyou!
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12:50:55S_a_i_n_tif it's on the tracker, someone will look at it.
12:51:03S_a_i_n_tpacovila: ^
12:55:07TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: hm, r28237 is also locking up
12:55:15*TheSeven wonders how exactly he tested this
12:57:30S_a_i_n_tor, ...what variable allowed you to test it, that doesn't now.
12:58:27S_a_i_n_tHonestly though, I have never successfully built/used an SVN bootloader...only one I've ever had boot RB is the v1.0 bundled in the ipodpatcher download
12:58:50*S_a_i_n_t is not quite sure why he added "honestly" there.
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13:06:02pacovilaThankyou Saint
13:07:38AlexPpacovila: Spanish was updated 2 days ago (r28317) - is this new since then?
13:08:41pacovilaYes. Just look at the patch. Sorry for the noise; it is Yet Another Update.
13:09:16AlexPyes, I see
13:09:25AlexPDoes the whitespace actually matter?
13:10:17pacovilayes it does, because edit.php shows the string as if it were different from source
13:10:40AlexPOK, but I don't think it actually matters for the lang file
13:10:43pacovilaand therefore I have 6 strings tagged as different from source
13:10:54pacovilait matters for the stats
13:11:21pacovilaI have fixed some other issues along this
13:11:28AlexPyep, saw that
13:11:51AlexPAnyway, whilst the space doesn't matter for the actual translation, it might as well be fixed
13:12:12pacovilaAt the source, you mena
13:12:12pacovilaoops. Mean
13:13:03pacovilabut english.lang is autogenerated, right?
13:14:19TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: I think I know what broke it...
13:14:30AlexPpacovila: No, it is the base lang file - people add stuff to it when they add a new feature
13:14:32S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: Oh?
13:14:34TheSevenbut I have no explanation how it could work for me recently
13:14:44S_a_i_n_tah...I see.
13:15:05S_a_i_n_twhat's your take on what broke it?
13:15:13pacovilaAlexP: understood, so I could well patch english lang as well
13:15:18pacovilabut that would mess everyone elses' translations
13:15:42AlexPyeah, you have to be a little careful in english.lang
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13:16:28pacovilaThen, the correct is *:[space]none or *:none w/o space ?
13:16:36AlexPno idea :)
13:17:30S_a_i_n_tthe convention seems to be "<blah>[space]:[space<blah" in a lot of cases
13:17:50S_a_i_n_t"<blah>[space]:[space]<blah>", even
13:17:52pacovilatwo problems I see. One is unconsistency at the space thing, the other is edit.php not being able for a user to edit this difference
13:18:55domonokyJdGordon: upload finished:
13:19:25JdGordonthanks, that shuld only take a few hours to dl on my connection :p
13:21:49TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: is totally screwed for the bootloader build
13:22:20pacovilarather ignore them
13:22:21pacovilaOther solution would be problems.php be space insensitive and to handle those strings as equivalent, and not mark them as problems
13:24:00AlexPrasher: you about?
13:28:00AlexPpacovila: Is it intended that you removed a couple of voice tags, like ""Compositor"?
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13:32:56pacovilaagain, those were tagged by problems.php as potential problems.
13:33:04pacovilaenglish.lang does not have any voice here
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13:33:37pacovilathats why I removed them (I could be wrong)
13:34:14AlexPOK, I don't know - I'll wait for rasher (our lang guru)
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13:37:58pacovilaI have to leave. Please comment any news at the tracker. Thank you
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13:39:31AlexPsure, and thanks
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13:45:47TheSevenis there any way to make sure there is *no* alignment between sections?
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13:47:20S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: What is it exactly that it "screwed up"?
13:49:01S_a_i_n_tfailing that, do you know what revision the "screwing" was added in, so I can be nosey?
13:50:28pixelmadomonoky: that's a VM where I can make changes o the theme site and test them from e.g. the host system?
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13:51:58domonokypixelma: its a vm with a webserver in it, and a older version of the themesite installed. so if you update the themesite data and add your changes you can test it locally.
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13:53:11pixelmamind if I download it too (and updating just means running "svn up" or is there more to it)?
13:54:35domonokydownload it if you want. updating means copiing the data to it via ftp or alike.
13:54:57domonokyAlso i dont know what else needs updating, because i didnt use that since a long time.
13:55:12domonokythe themes in it are probably still in the old format.
13:56:25pixelmaok, guess I won't do it for now
13:56:25pixelmaAlexP: AFAIK it doesn't matter if there is a space between feature : and lang string and "composer" is probably not voiced as it is used in the track info screen and only voicing the items might be a bit weird if you can't voice the tags
13:56:51pixelmahaven't looked at the patch though, just commenting on what's been discussed here
13:57:20domonokymaybe "somebody" should create a new VM, to test themesite changes :-)
13:57:32JdGordonand keep it updated :)
13:58:15domonokyand with less hacks in it :-)
13:59:20JdGordoncan we get a dump from the current server so the themes are actually working?
14:00:53domonokyyou need the db and the theme files for that..
14:01:27JdGordonwhy isnt working? :(
14:02:58JdGordondoh! extra "
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14:06:54CIA-107New commit by 03jdgordon (r28329): Add a forum integration class. Right now can only create a new thread. Eventually use this to create threads for comments for new themes
14:07:33JdGordondomonoky: any chance you want to get that working when themes are added? :D
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14:08:19domonokyJdGordon: i am probably too busy with other things, todo that.
14:08:41CIA-107r28329 build result: All green
14:19:09JdGordonhey teru, do you have any plans to make dirbrowse() work nicer for the playlist catalog? (so that patch isnt such a horrible hack)
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14:25:24teruJdGordon: no. but with r28328, i think patch could be simpler a bit.
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14:36:51S_a_i_n_tis there a way to check theme names against the themesite, and the 3.6 cloned themesite?
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14:37:30S_a_i_n_tjust thinking ahesd to 3.7 for when the clone won;t be needed, it'd be nice to give the guys a chance to update their themes/move them onto the "real" themesite
14:37:46AlexPpixelma: Yes, I think the same
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14:38:11AlexPpixelma: Still, it is probably a good idea to make the spaces match just so the translation site doesn't moan
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14:40:59S_a_i_n_tteru: While you're here...I've been using FS #11673 since you added it, and I think it's definitely worth commiting.
14:41:16S_a_i_n_tMuch better than the scrolling text in svn pictureflow
14:48:00CIA-107New commit by 03teru (r28330): fix leak-file-handles.
14:48:41CIA-107r28330 build result: All green
14:49:52JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: you never replied to the theme setttings task... is per skin better than a single file?
14:50:16S_a_i_n_tI think so, personally.
14:50:21S_a_i_n_tThat's why I said so ;)
14:51:44JdGordonarg... I meant you didnt reply to my reply :)
14:52:21S_a_i_n_tHmmm...there's a chance my butt-ass webmail spam-canned the message.
14:53:33S_a_i_n_tOh, no...I read that.
14:53:51S_a_i_n_tYou said one thing, I said wanted more opinions...I didn;t think you meant from me ;)
14:54:56S_a_i_n_tas far as "If every themes settings are in the one file it would force themers to work together on nameing schemes" <−−-yeah, nice idea...but it's not gonna happen.
14:55:41S_a_i_n_tthat's why I think each theme should have it's own, then the themer can do it and that's that.
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14:57:11S_a_i_n_tI suggested a similar file system for global-theme translations, but if I remember the conversation it was decided that while the idea was nice in theory the likelyhood of themers working together on it was slim to none.
14:57:14JdGordonI think that if each has its own people would be less likely to even know about it
14:58:04JdGordontheme translation isnt going to involve themers at all, I would just translate all plain text (possible remove the %Sx() tag also)
14:58:24S_a_i_n_tthe problem with it being global, is/are different languages, versioning, potential for bloat..
14:58:36S_a_i_n_tI think a per-theme system is more practical
14:59:12S_a_i_n_tIf you only have one theme using it, it seems silly to have a file with potentially 100s of settings that theme will never use
15:00:20JdGordonbut it makes it harder to just use the settings you want with a new theme because seperate files means themers don't have to care about conventions
15:00:34JdGordonor at least what other themes se for their setting name/values
15:01:11S_a_i_n_tI'm not sure they would anyway.
15:01:25S_a_i_n_tsomeone would have to go through the file constantly searching for duplicates
15:01:26JdGordonThey'd have to
15:02:06S_a_i_n_tthey wouldn;t have to, in theory you could have 100 differently named settings that all did the same thing in the same file
15:02:40JdGordonyes, true, but there is a (currently) 32 hard limit which would force themeres to work together
15:02:48JdGordonor users to keep their file clean
15:03:22S_a_i_n_tif there's a hard limit, I also see a per-theme system being more practical.
15:03:32S_a_i_n_tas then it would be a hard limit per theme, no?
15:03:58S_a_i_n_t32 custom settings over 10 themes is only 3.2 each
15:04:11JdGordonwell, its really only a lmiit because the code to make it infinite is more complictaed than I could be bothered with right now
15:06:19S_a_i_n_tI also think that if there's a global file that needs to be retrieved from the wiki (or other place), that it will quickly fall out of sync with themes that don't get maintained by the author..but if it is packaged with the theme, the author will have more of a chance of keeping it up to date.
15:06:38S_a_i_n_tor, once it's written, even if it's never updated, it won't have to be.
15:07:00JdGordonit would be up to the user to keep it in sync
15:08:59S_a_i_n_tIt shouldn't be the authors job? the author is the one naming the settings, and configuring the allowed values.
15:09:03AlexPmake install
15:09:08AlexPer, ooops
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15:10:04JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: no... the settings are configured in the skin file. this extra file is what for the user to say what value he wants
15:10:12*TheSeven wonders how to reorganize that bootloader mess
15:10:21JdGordonrm -Rf
15:10:37S_a_i_n_tone way to do it...
15:11:02JdGordonactually.. I'm thinking per theme does make more sense
15:11:25S_a_i_n_tw00t! I don;t have to come up with a fresh point!
15:11:26JdGordonI'm tempted to say "with a global one also" but think that is overkill
15:12:31*JdGordon wonders about porting checkwps to a plugin
15:13:36S_a_i_n_tif you do, it might make sense to run it at boot..."you have a theme that has no chance of's this"
15:13:40S_a_i_n_tactually, fuck that.
15:13:48S_a_i_n_twe'd al suffer then...silly idea time.
15:15:16JdGordonthere's no stupid ideas, only stupid people...
15:15:20JdGordonor is that backwards?
15:15:43S_a_i_n_teither way works, depends on the context ;p
15:15:52TheSevenbertrik: I'm probably about to break the meizu bootloader again...
15:16:48JdGordonok, so themename_settings.txt? themename.settings? themename.conf ?
15:16:57JdGordonit cant be themename.cfg for obvious reasons
15:17:18S_a_i_n_tthemename.settings if I had to pick one
15:18:12TheSevengevaerts: what do you think should I do about the screendump problem?
15:18:25S_a_i_n_tI haven't tried it yet, for fear of the theme not being uploaded...even though it would be simple to remove it and try again but would the themesite complain about themename.txt as a README?
15:18:31S_a_i_n_t+ :^
15:18:32TheSevenmy fix for it messes with the file system code, I'm not sure if I should just commit that
15:18:57JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: this file must not be included in the zip
15:19:10JdGordonit defeats the purpose if it is
15:19:18S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: Pretty sure gevaerts isn't back from the GSoC meeting yet.
15:19:56S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: Errr...yeah, I was asking if a themename.txt could be added as a readme, and if the themesite would have a cry about it.
15:20:11JdGordonit should allow it
15:20:35JdGordonI was actually thinking that checkwps could check for %Sl() and require a readme.txt if it is used
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15:20:48JdGordonand even autogenerate one
15:20:48TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: can you check if the bootloader works properly with ?
15:21:01TheSeventhat fixes it when run through embios at least
15:21:11TheSevenyou might also want to test without the lcd sleep patch if it still fails
15:22:06S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: Yeah, sure. If you're up still in the next hour I'll be able to report back. Well, I'll report back regardless.
15:22:25TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: it's 3pm here, so yes :)
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16:08:51*S_a_i_n_t looks into what's needed to make voice build smart enough to only generate needed voice files and draws a blank.
16:10:27gevaertsTheSeven: for 3.7 or trunk?
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16:11:08TheSevenfor 3.7 i would just commit an #ifdef'ed stack size change for nano2g
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16:13:44gevaertsIf you think it's a good fix, I think committing is fine
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16:18:48TheSevengevaerts: it's the one with the dynamic on-stack array for the file name, instead of MAX_PATH
16:19:13S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: No dice :-/
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16:20:14TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: not even without the lcd patch?
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16:20:47S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: Nup.
16:20:58TheSevenstill the same misbehavior as before?
16:21:37gevaertsTheSeven: that sounds fine to me
16:21:46S_a_i_n_tyeah, I'm getting apple screen then a black screen with no backlight without the LCD patch, and apple screen with a white screen with backlight with the LCD patch
16:21:57n1sTheSeven: why not allocated worst case size always?
16:22:14S_a_i_n_twith the patch, backlight fades after 1min, which is my I feel something is running unless that's a default
16:22:17TheSevenn1s: because that wastes space and was the cause of stack overflows
16:22:30TheSevengevaerts: it might misbehave terribly if some non-string or a string with excessive size is passed
16:22:50S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: weird bahaviour here!?!
16:22:53n1sTheSeven: but if you sometimes need that much space it will just make the stack overflow less likely, not actually fix it
16:23:24S_a_i_n_twith USB plugged, if I leave it (with the LCD patch) after the LCD sleeps, when I wake it RB is booted and in the USB screen.
16:23:46TheSevenn1s: it will actually fix it for the usb thread, which knows that it will only need 32 characters (for the screen dump file name) and not 260 or whatever
16:23:54S_a_i_n_twithout LCD patch I just get blackscreen...and no RB
16:25:05n1sTheSeven: yes but if 32 is big enough for the worst case why not always alloc 32?
16:25:11S_a_i_n_tRB isn't running if USB isn't plugged when the LCD wakes...err, WTF?
16:25:17TheSevenbecause it's in generic file system code
16:27:14gevaertsn1s it will fix it for code paths with known string lengths
16:27:41n1sgevaerts: right
16:28:05S_a_i_n_tHmmm...ok, inconsistent resuts.
16:28:40gevaerts\thesaren't we in bad trouble then anuyway?
16:29:05S_a_i_n_tUSB appears to have nothing to do with it, which is good as that baffled me, RB is running 5/10 times when the LCD wakes (after being left to sleep).
16:29:44S_a_i_n_tweird it only seems to boot here *with* the LCD sleep patch.
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16:30:24S_a_i_n_tBut I have to wait for the LCD to sleep to be able to view the screen (bright white screen prior to sleeping)
16:30:57TheSeventhe disadvantages I know of are the following: 1. possible misbehavior if called with parameters that shouldn't ever end up there, 2. 4 bytes more stack usage, 3. a few bytes more binsize, 4. this code now doesn't ensure the name length is below MAX_PATH any more
16:30:57S_a_i_n_tvoiced menus confirm RB is actually booting, and I can get to playback...but only *with* the lcd sleep patch
16:31:17TheSeven1 and 4 can probably be mitigated by adding a check and truncating to MAX_PATH if neccessary
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16:41:28S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: any idea why the LCD sleep patch would allow booting, but only ~50% of the time, and without 0% of the time?
16:41:49S_a_i_n_tI guess that's a silly question, as you'd probably of fixed it if you did.
16:45:12S_a_i_n_tfwiw, I'm using the third version of liar's LCD sleep...which greatly reduces the bootloaders overall size (only + ~2Kb from SVN)
16:47:57CIA-107New commit by 03teru (r28331): fix leak-file-handles.
16:55:37rasherS_a_i_n_t: Please don't make wild guesses and make it sound like they're based in fact.
16:55:44rasherLang strings *should* (to avoid issues with the automatic translator) be "<target>: <value>"
16:56:26rasherEven the most cursory glance at english.lang would show this.
16:57:48AlexPrasher: Do you see the conversation I was having earlier about the spacing between *: and none ?
16:58:20rasherYes, I firmly believe the fix is to make english.lang consistent, rather than trying to turn edit.php into a simple text editor
16:59:04AlexPOK, so for this patch I'll just commit the actual language changes
16:59:12S_a_i_n_tgah...I was under the impression I had said just that. I messed up the c/p sever times trying to mimic the OPs convention...and added [space] before the colon. Apologies.
16:59:32AlexPrasher: Then ideally I guess, every translation should be gone through to make them the same
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17:00:36rasherYes indeed. I'll do that. As soon as my other computer decides to boot..
17:00:52AlexPOK, cool - I'll let you do that first :)
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17:17:51rasherAlexP: Spanish is now at 100%
17:18:08AlexPrasher: Yeah, there are some English bits in there though
17:18:26AlexPe.g. - recording_swcodec: "Bitrate"
17:18:27AlexP + recording_swcodec: "Tasa de bits"
17:18:30AlexPfrom his patch
17:18:37rasherYes, you're going to apply that?
17:18:47AlexPjust the translation bits
17:18:59AlexPyes in other words :)
17:19:11AlexPI'm just stripping the *:none spacing bits out
17:19:14rasherI guess it would've been easier if you did yours first, since the patch won't apply now, I guess
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17:19:32AlexPwell these are hos, I don't speak Spanish
17:19:43AlexPI'm just picking the bits out of his patch tht are left
17:19:56rasherSounds good
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17:23:43CIA-107New commit by 03rasher (r28334): There is no rockbox subdir
17:24:32CIA-107New commit by 03rasher (r28335): More revisions to ignore
17:25:58*gevaerts heads out again
17:31:44*rasher is slightly unhappy with menu strings ending in " Settings"
17:32:04AlexPrasher: Do you know if LANG_FM_STATION_HEADER is ever voiced? I assume it isn't as English doesn't have a voice string
17:32:29rasherPresumably not, then. No idea though
17:33:05AlexPThere are two voice string he removes - English doesn't have them so Ia ssume it is safe and that they were just added in error in the first place
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17:33:33rasherOr maybe the english voice string was removed
17:34:04AlexPI could just leave them I suppose, I don't imagine it can do any harm
17:34:29rasherWell they would (ever so slightly) bloat spanish voice files
17:35:03AlexPWhat d'ya reckon? :)
17:35:13AlexPshould they stay or should they go?
17:35:34rasherI'd dump them
17:35:43AlexPk, I concur
17:35:47rasher3-D has a dash now?
17:35:55*rasher has never seen that
17:37:36LloreanI thought it originally had a dash and lost it over the years.
17:38:34rasherLANG_DEPTH_3D has a dash
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17:38:46LloreanOh, I just meant in general.
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17:39:29CIA-107New commit by 03alex (r28336): FS #11694 by Francisco Villa - update Spanish.
17:39:58CIA-107New commit by 03alex (r28337): FS #11694 by Francisco Villa - update Spanish.
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17:43:08CIA-107New commit by 03rasher (r28338): Updated Danish translation
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18:04:47wodzCan you review FS #11697 please? I think this major bug in buildsystem and need to be fixed before release
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18:48:11kugelwodz: I don't think it's a major bug
18:48:33kugeland fixes should probably go to the makefiles instead of
18:49:44S_a_i_n_thmmm...RB is reporting my Nano2Gs as fully charged when the debug - batter screen reports 97%
18:49:48S_a_i_n_twhat gives?
18:50:42S_a_i_n_tafter RB says it is chaged, the OF will continue to charge for some time.
18:54:10wodzkugel: why do You think fixes should go to Makefiles? For me it is much more intuitive to fix
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19:32:34soapwhat voltage is RB saying?
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19:36:42bertrikI think we use 4.20 volt as max charge voltage for many other players
19:36:44soapthat's on the high side if anything.
19:37:02soapWhat is borked that RB calls 4.302v 97%?
19:37:09soapOr am I missing something?
19:38:56bertrikboth the charge curve and the discharge curve goes up to 4.310 volt
19:39:03S_a_i_n_tanother one I just checked is saying 94% == 4.275
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19:39:33bertrik(in firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/ipodnano2g/powermgmt-nano2g.c)
19:40:24bertrikS_a_i_n_t, do you know what voltage rockbox indicates when it has just been charged by the OF?
19:41:08S_a_i_n_tbertrik: No, but...I could tell you in time.
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19:42:05S_a_i_n_tbertrik: Am I supposed to have the option to set inter-ear delay using meier_v2.patch?
19:42:10S_a_i_n_tas I don't seem to.
19:42:14bertrikS_a_i_n_t, no, why's there a "custom" setting?
19:42:40S_a_i_n_tdo I set that through the .cfg?
19:43:12bertrikin that patch "custom" refers to the regular rockbox crossfeed
19:43:12soapThe H10_5GB goes > 4.2 as well
19:43:47S_a_i_n_tbertrik: Aha...excellent, well...that clears things up.
19:44:15soapand the c200. But most don't cross that "line" @ 4.2
19:44:36S_a_i_n_tI'd like to have the best of both worlds though, adjustable delay, *and* meier so I can pick and choose ;P
19:46:48soapyea, Nano2G appears to be the only one to cross 4.25
19:47:05soapgoogle says 4.2 +-0.05 is "max" per cell.
19:47:54S_a_i_n_tinterestingly though, each battery screen appears to display a slightly different +/- ~.010 reading
19:48:15S_a_i_n_t(in debug - battery)
19:48:19wodzsoap: In general li-ion should not exceed 4.2V per cell
19:48:59S_a_i_n_tHmmmm...all are reading greater then 4.2 at less then 100%
19:49:27soapthat's what one would expect from powermgmt-nano2g.c as bertrik linked.
19:50:14soapWhy it such a higher-peaking curve than all the others I looked at (all the arms and coldfires) I don't know.
19:52:32soapHonestly, I don't understand why the top and bottom voltages vary so much amongst all the lithium-powered players. IIRC different players have different safe shutdown voltages to ensure safe powerdown of all system, but even amongst the HDD ipods there is great variation on shutdown voltage.
19:53:22soap*all systems
19:55:41TheSevenS_a_i_n_t, soap, bertrik: charging is hardware-controlled on the nano 2g
19:55:47TheSevenwe're only monitoring it
19:55:52soapand am I reading powermgmt-ipod-pcf.c right that the iPod 4G grayscale has a shutdown voltage of 3.00???
19:56:42TheSeventhe hardware only starts charging if the voltage is below a certain threshold (4.15V or something), which explains the "not charging, but <100%" state
19:56:53wodzsoap: If so this is *way* too low
19:56:59S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: out of interest, have you ever heard your nano2g make a kind of crackling noise?
19:57:14TheSevenout of the case or the headphones?
19:57:35soapwodz, my point, The nano otherwise is the lowest at 3,2. Perhaps a little knowledge is a dangerous thing and I'm missing where else the 4G gets defined.
19:57:49bertrikTheSeven, so we cannot configure anything about the charging process? On the sansas, charging is also hardware-controlled, but we can set the max voltage and max current.
19:58:02S_a_i_n_tOne of mine seems to do it all the time now, backlight seems to set it off, as well as boosting, and rockboy.
19:58:23S_a_i_n_t(crackling noise from somewhere up near the LCD, from the back)
19:58:35TheSevenwe can only switch between no USB power / 100mA max current draw / 500mA max current draw / unlimited current draw (hardware limits at 2.7A)
19:58:53TheSeventhe maximum current and voltage for the battery is programmed through voltage dividers IIRC
19:59:14TheSevenbattery charging current is limited at ~120mA, so the 500mA/unlimited setting is rather useless
19:59:33TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: that is probably the piezo speaker doing nonsense
20:00:22S_a_i_n_tah...that's good to know. I had suspected that, but it really tricks me into "something is burning! EEEEEEK!"
20:00:41S_a_i_n_teven if it's not that, I'll tell myself it is so I can sleep better ;)
20:00:58TheSevenit might also be some voltage regulator coil being driven at audible frequencies
20:01:45soapglue to the rescue!
20:01:47TheSevenas long as everything works fine and the battery current is within reasonable limits, i wouldn't worry too much
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20:10:03bertriksoap, what I've seen in battery benchmarks is that voltage drop vs time is relatively linear downto about 3.6V, it drops really fast below that. It seems there is not that much energy left below 3.6V and IMO it's not much use to put the shutdown voltage much lower than 3.6V.
20:11:16soaponly risking a hard shutdown on HDD spinup, eh?
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20:33:07gevaertskugel: some things I noticed with people trying RaaAoA with absolute point mode is that apparently selecting a list item is sometimes tricky, since it detects dragging sometimes instead of tapping
20:33:39kugelthe threshold is quite small, it could be increased
20:33:48*gevaerts prepares for flames
20:33:51gevaertsMaybe a setting?
20:34:10gevaertsThis may actually depend on screen DPI
20:35:20kugelmaybe half the font size (with the minimum a bit bigger than what we have now)?
20:36:27gevaertsI've not tried it myself, I just watched
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20:46:30TheSevencan anyone give me a link to the nano2g bootloader ipodpatcher and rbutil are using by default?
20:46:42TheSeveni have a strong suspicion that it's purely luck that this one works...
20:47:01gevaerts I guess
20:47:04TheSeven(it's probably executing some uninitialized memory)
20:47:31gevaertsSounds interesting :)
20:48:53TheSevenor skipping some instructions in crt0.S
20:49:30TheSeventhe .init.text section is aligned to a 0x10 byte boundary, but the padding for it doesn't seem to be actually present in the file
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20:55:50TheSevenhm, funny, this binary is fine, while the one from SVN isn't
20:56:21TheSeventhe .init.text section doesn't seem to have been aligned at all in the binary, which is just fine
20:56:34gevaertsan eabi switchover issue?
20:56:43TheSevenoh yeah, that might be true
20:56:59*TheSeven hadn't thought of this and couldn't find anything suspicious in the svn logs
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20:58:15TheSevenproposed fix:
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21:30:52kugelI implemented the multimedia keys with SYS_EVENTs now, that makes it easy to have rockbox react on them globally
21:31:04kugelbut it feels a bit strange, does anyone have other ideas?
21:36:10kugelit cannot be done fundamentally different, but I think it needen't be SYS_EVENTs necessarily
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21:37:19wodzkugel: can you elaborate why proper fix of VERSION problem should be in Makefiles and not in
21:37:45kugelthe VERSION thing was always handled by the makefiles
21:38:12wodzand this was changed
21:38:20wodzand broken BTW
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21:42:42kugelwell I don't know and I don't really care too :)
21:48:07linuxstbwodz: Your fix seems fine to me. I agree with kugel that it's not a "major bug" though. It's also irrelevant to the 3.7 release - bootloaders are generally released independently.
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21:49:25wodzlinuxstb: But when building release binaries You have to have some way to force particular version string.
21:50:06linuxstbIsn't that done by hard-coding the release in and committing that change to the release branch?
21:50:24linuxstb(you could check the 3.6 branch)
21:52:34wodzlinuxstb: yes it was done like this
21:52:57linuxstbYou could do the same with bootloaders, but it's always seemed a bit of overkill to me to create bootloader branches.
21:53:18wodzbootladers are tagged
21:53:36linuxstbYes, but some have also had their own branches.
22:01:43wodzI found this strange that 1) process of releasing such sensible thing like bootloader is not described at all 2) when instructions obtained on IRC do not work (because some commit broke VERSION thing) devs don't care
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22:22:03linuxstbwodz: I don't think anyone would disagree the bootloader release process should be documented. It's simply something no-one has got round to doing.
22:22:37linuxstbI've wanted to start a page that both documents the release process, and provides a history of bootloader releases. But never got round to it...
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22:29:30simpledevhi guys, quick question
22:29:56simpledevi'm trying to change the menu order in rb, i have the source but dont know which file needs to be changed
22:30:05simpledevspent about 3 hours tryin to figure it out!
22:30:10simpledevanyone know?
22:30:23linuxstbLook in apps/menus/
22:34:12simpledevah, the online docs imply /gui is where you need to look, thanks!
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22:46:31flan_suseWhen updating to a current release daily build, is it a good idea to also re-install themes and fonts?
22:46:43flan_suseOr do they not coincide?
22:47:19Tornethe fonts change very very rarely
22:47:40Torneand themes from the themesite are updated whenver their author uploads a new version, nothing to do with the build
22:47:57AlexPIf you are updating from 3.6 though, the syntax changed
22:47:57flan_suseTorne: Got it, and thanks.
22:48:05AlexPSo you'll need to get updated themes
22:48:10AlexPbut this is not normal
22:48:20flan_suseAlexP: Well I'm using a Sansa Clip+, so I need to use the daily builds.
22:48:27AlexPOK, should be fine
22:48:58flan_suseI update maybe once every few days, but I also re-install themes and fonts as well, thinking that they are tied into each daily build release. But I guess not.
22:49:07AlexPah yeah, no need to do that
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22:49:20Tornethe themes that come with the build are included in the build when you update; other themes are yeah, just when teh author does
22:49:33Tornethe fonts are separated specifically so you *don't* have to reinstall them when you upgrade
22:49:36flan_suseTorne: Oh I see.
22:49:40Tornesince they are pretty big compared to the build
22:50:01Tornewe rarely change them and even when we do the fonts zipfile on the website is only updated once a week or something
22:50:22flan_suseI'll just skip those then when updating.
22:50:50flan_suseI really like the literal_more theme. Works very well with the Sansa Clip+ small screen size.
22:51:08flan_suseFits a lot of relevant info in such a tiny screen, without making it hard to read either.
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