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#rockbox log for 2010-10-28

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00:08:06pixelmaare there docks for the c200 out there or where can I test the line-out?
00:08:15pixelmagot a v1
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00:37:32mc2739bertrik: there is a patch on FS #11367 for dock connect detection - comments are welcome
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00:45:46pixelmamc2739: I'm not too worried about battery life impact, the c200 has pretty good runtime in my experience. If it could be detected and only enabled on demand it would still be better of course
00:48:32mc2739pixelma: I'll see if the user who tested can find a GPIO change when connecting his dock device.
00:49:12pixelmaok, that also answers my previous question :)
00:52:05mc2739the SansaAccessories wiki lists a couple and this user had a Griffin iTrip fm transmitter
00:54:46pixelmathings made for the Ipod dock connector are usable with the Sansas or am I missing something?
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00:58:45mc2739pixelma: I think the connectors are compatible, but not the wiring
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03:27:11ChrisChanSonichuQUESTION!
03:29:09JdGordon|ANSWER!
03:30:56Strife89TXSTATEMENT.
03:32:17ChrisChanSonichuCan I Remote control rockbox?
03:32:25ChrisChanSonichulike run terminals and stuff
03:32:29ChrisChanSonichuor control it via USB keyboard?
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03:34:03JdGordon|no
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03:38:29saratogarockbox doesn't have a terminal anyway
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06:33:40darkenvyHey who is good with fdisk?
06:33:54darkenvyI need some help partitioning my ipod while keeping it intact
06:35:21darkenvyThe whole thing is relevent to rockbox but I may be asking in the wrong channel
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06:35:53S_a_i_n_tprobably more suited ofr a linux forum...just don't let it touch the FW partition and you'll be fine.
06:35:58S_a_i_n_t*for
06:36:13S_a_i_n_tIf it's not to do with Rockbox, it shouldn't be here.
06:36:26darkenvyyea but gparted ate that FM partition even without me touching it
06:36:38S_a_i_n_tOh...sorry, I read "relevant" as "irrelevant".
06:36:46darkenvydo we have a linux channel here at rockbox?
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06:37:01S_a_i_n_tgparted does that as the FW partition is classed as "unused".
06:37:12S_a_i_n_tso, it think's it's being "helpful".
06:37:43darkenvyso if I get to that state, can I redo the FM partition?
06:37:46S_a_i_n_tfdisk won't do anything you don't tell it to.
06:38:02S_a_i_n_tjust restore it with iTunes
06:38:12S_a_i_n_tthat's the easiest way.
06:38:25darkenvyyea but then it takes my new partition with it. (itunes reformats the whole disk)
06:39:12S_a_i_n_thttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/IpodManualRestore
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06:41:07darkenvywow such work just to have a partition next to rockbox
06:41:15darkenvythanks ill look into it
06:41:37darkenvyoh but one issue, whats the command to find out the drive info?
06:42:27*S_a_i_n_t is not a linux expert
06:42:30darkenvy.../dev/dba (that thing)
06:42:48darkenvy(messege didnt send first time due to "/" :P)
06:42:58krazykitthis is really not the proper place for linux help
06:43:12darkenvythanks again
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06:59:56S_a_i_n_tIs there anything I could do to perhaps increase the chances of FS #11578 being committed?
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07:00:05S_a_i_n_tI happen to think it's awesome personally.
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07:03:42JdGordon|find a commiter to annoy :p
07:03:49S_a_i_n_tyou ;)
07:03:55*S_a_i_n_t annoys JdGordon|
07:04:03JdGordon|yes I know
07:04:13S_a_i_n_thaw haw haw ;)
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08:43:45wodzS_a_i_n_t: what about mpio graphics?
08:45:00S_a_i_n_tIt's slow going trying to make anything that looks anywhere near good in greayscale-4-colour and it's pissing me off.
08:45:39S_a_i_n_tI've tried converting existing images I have to indexed 4-grey, and they all look like shit so I have to create from scratch.
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08:46:58wodzIf you have some samples show me so I can tell that it look like shit :-)
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09:55:51JdGordonhas anyone looked into what needs to be done to put rockbox on the android market?
09:56:05*JdGordon thinks its just about ready
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09:59:49ZagorJdGordon: really?
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10:00:20JdGordonwell it would be once the stylus mode is enabled by default
10:01:04S_a_i_n_twodz: http://iforce.co.nz/i/tvni0oba.bmp ?
10:01:42S_a_i_n_tI'm still working on a "charging type" cable plug/lightning bolt/other cliche type image/logo for the middle of the battery.
10:03:32S_a_i_n_tIt's hardly my best work, but working in black and white or 4-grey greyscale SUCKS!
10:03:41ZagorJdGordon: where can I get a recent build to test?
10:03:57JdGordonAndroidPort on the wiki
10:04:05S_a_i_n_tthe source
10:04:07*S_a_i_n_t runs
10:04:18JdGordonactually I lie, svn doesnt have kinetic scrolling yet, but I tinhk those builds do
10:05:03JdGordonI'm currently working on a simple "rockbox loading" display to show while it unzips the files so it doesnt loook like its crashed on first load
10:13:24ZagorJdGordon: I think the port needs a lot more work before they are ready to go on Market
10:14:04JdGordonsuch as?
10:15:18Zagorthe microscopic status bar, the ditto tiny icons, obviously the grid mode, db init crashes
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10:16:15JdGordondisable it, use S_a_i_n_t's 24px icons set, yes, disable db (or use blackhawks patch)
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10:16:57S_a_i_n_tZagor: I can pass you my 24px iconset if you'd like.
10:17:13ZagorI'd rather see them integrated as default set
10:17:14JdGordonis it on flyspray?
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10:17:21S_a_i_n_tIt doesn't have viewer icons yet, as soon as I finish those...it should *hopefully* be committed.
10:17:23JdGordonit really should be in svn already
10:17:36wodzS_a_i_n_t: battery graphic is not that bad
10:17:40Zagorand we need to fix the panic screen
10:17:40S_a_i_n_tNo, it isn't on flyspray.
10:17:53S_a_i_n_tI got kinda disheartened by some of kugels comments.
10:17:53Zagoronce rockbox panics, there is no getting back
10:18:46S_a_i_n_twodz: I still need to add a lightning bolt/plug icon in the middle of the battery graphic.
10:19:03S_a_i_n_tI suspect it wil look better after that, and a few tweaks here and there.
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10:21:09S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: I'll look some more at making a viewers iconset...and whether or not I complete it tonight I will add it to flyspray so you can commit it.
10:21:21S_a_i_n_tHave you been using that iconset this whole time out of interest?
10:21:41wodzZagor: I got my generic mp4 DAP and it proofed to be rk2608 based. I sent it back and ask to replace to this: http://allegro.pl/mp4-2gb-mp3-lcd-3-cale-microsd-czerwony-radio-gry-i1278097914.html. Hope this time I will have more luck
10:22:41Zagorwodz: heh, it will be a real challenge identifying those players if we ever get them supported
10:23:12S_a_i_n_tthere's SO many damn near identicsl players with randomly assorted internals.
10:23:18ZagorJdGordon: the panic screen is a definite show-stopper. it cripples the phone badly.
10:23:24S_a_i_n_tA lot of them have very, very bad flash memory hacks.
10:23:36JdGordonZagor: Ideally we shouldnt be getting there :p
10:23:44JdGordonand the back button shuold get you out now, but yeah
10:23:54Zagoryou do get out, but it keeps busy-looping
10:24:08Zagormy phone is currently hung because of it
10:24:37Zagorand even if it didn't, the fact you have to manually kill rockbox to restart is not very elegant
10:27:01wodzI belive that there is simple way to tell if device is rk27xx based using OF. ( it is System info or something). This is the first step. But sellers are rarely kind enough to test this before buy :-/
10:27:16Zagorthis is the first time I've had to pull the battery on my phone...
10:27:31JdGordonjust kill the service
10:27:39JdGordonyou dont have an app killer?
10:27:42Zagorno go. the phone froze.
10:27:48JdGordonhah ouch
10:31:04S_a_i_n_tOh! Deeeeerrrp! RaaA doesn't even *have* any plugins does it?
10:32:07JdGordonalas, no doom
10:32:35*JdGordon has a working "rockbox loading" screen
10:32:40S_a_i_n_tWell...then no need for viewer icons.
10:32:53S_a_i_n_tCommit the iconset whenever you're ready if you want.
10:33:52S_a_i_n_tthe default cabbie font will need to be changed to at least 24px to stop it looking weird.
10:34:03S_a_i_n_tOtherwise the icons will overlap, and look awful.
10:34:48JdGordonwell no, it would still be good for comepleteness
10:34:52S_a_i_n_tShould I add it to flyspray, or do you still have it sitting around on one of your machines JdGordon?
10:34:55JdGordonand other big screen targets
10:35:09JdGordonadd it, no idea where it is
10:35:12S_a_i_n_tYeah, sure..I'll still make it, I was thinking it'd be needed for committing it though.
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10:36:00S_a_i_n_tI'll add it in an hour or so when I get a chance, probably make a few final cleanups before I do.
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10:37:28S_a_i_n_tis there a way to auto-generate all .lang files?
10:37:39S_a_i_n_tbah..sorry, .voice files.
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10:38:25S_a_i_n_tI'd like to have them all in there, for builds I package...but I don't want to painstakingly build each voicefile.
10:38:40S_a_i_n_tI figure surely there's a "make voices" script.
10:52:37JdGordonnow all i need is a rockbox logo to splash while its loading
10:53:30ZagorJdGordon: scale as necessary: http://www.rockbox.org/rockboxHighRes.png
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11:19:18CIA-6New commit by 03jdgordon (r28369): Android: Display a "Loading, please wait" dialog while we wait for the rockbox service to start
11:21:16CIA-6r28369 build result: All green
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12:16:12pixelmahmm. I'm pretty sure that even though an hwcodec sim doesn't have sound, you could skip through tracks in the WPS (see the metadata updating). Somehow that seems to be broken now?
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12:24:25pixelmasomething weird and inconsistent is happening - "skipping" forward seems to work but the title tag doesn't update, track length does, "skipping" backward doesn't seem to work at all or only in the first 2 seconds, "seeking" always works
12:24:59*pixelma tests a target build
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12:43:15JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: ping?
12:57:02pixelmaok, no problem on target. It would have surprised me if there was
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13:00:39CIA-6New commit by 03jdgordon (r28370): skin_parser: Change the way hardware conditionals are done (i.e %?cc) ...
13:00:58JdGordon^ that shouldnt cause any themes to stop working, but if it does, let me know
13:04:21JdGordonAlexP: pixelma: is http://pastebin.com/8a5jUG1c ok?
13:05:33pixelmalooks ok at a first glance but I'd always try building
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13:05:57JdGordoncan you? I cant build manuals
13:06:16wodzpixelma: the sim is build from clean sources?
13:06:21CIA-6r28370 build result: All green
13:06:54pixelmawodz: yes, I test without the MAS-cleanup patch too
13:06:58pixelma*tested
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13:08:32wodzgood, I mean good it is not caused by this patch
13:08:32pixelmaOndio sim builds with it now, btw. :)
13:08:32sghHello, I got a permanent white screen on my Sansa Fuze v1 and I've used rockbox when that started, so do you know if this can be solved?
13:08:45sghI've used rockbox for about 10 months without problems, so I don't want to blame you, it's actually great
13:09:54wodzpixelma: have you tried v7 of imageviewer png?
13:10:00pixelmasgh: when did it start, can you relate it to something you did right before?
13:10:23pixelmawodz: just now, looks good
13:10:29wodz:-)
13:11:06CIA-6New commit by 03jdgordon (r28371): Fix the manual for %Tp
13:11:19sghwell it started when I took it out of my pocket about a month ago
13:12:14sghI've reinstalled the OF and rockbox but I don't know if its successful because I don't see anything except a white screen, when rockbox starts
13:12:59sghanyway the scroll wheel lights up a few seconds after that also
13:13:00pixelmasgh: I would try checking the filesystem for erors, you should be able to boot into the OF for USB connection if you can't get Rockbox to connect
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13:13:57sghcan you tell me how to do this in linux (Ubuntu 10.10)? otherwise I'll do that in windows later
13:14:57pixelmasorry, I would only know the Windows tool to do it. Maybe someone else could help
13:15:52wodzsgh: 1) connect player 2) check as what drive it is seen in dmesg 3) run as root mkfs.vfat -a -w /dev/sdX
13:16:09wodzwhere sdX is what you get from dmesg
13:17:15sghokay I'll do that
13:17:27sghthanks both of you :)
13:19:03CIA-6r28371 build result: All green
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13:20:59S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: .....yo?
13:21:09JdGordonsee recent commit
13:21:25S_a_i_n_t%Tp?
13:21:36S_a_i_n_tAhhhh..."touch Present"?
13:22:00S_a_i_n_tyes?
13:23:12S_a_i_n_tAh...awesome, so...it was there, but just not listed? nice.
13:23:17S_a_i_n_tthanks JdGordon.
13:23:38JdGordonhu? no... I just added it
13:23:45JdGordonand made the parser smarter also
13:24:25S_a_i_n_tOh...sorry, the very last of the previous message was truncated on my screen.
13:24:47S_a_i_n_tPerfectly cutting off the "Add a new %Tp - "touchscreen present?" tag to check if the target has a touchscreen" bit ;)
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13:28:18S_a_i_n_tDo touch areas work in the sim, I mean, are they "clickable"?
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13:30:45JdGordonyes they are
13:30:57JdGordonjust make sure the backdrop isnt displayed
13:31:22S_a_i_n_tAwesome, I was wondering how I was going to test that. Other than either bugging you to test on your D2 or just blindly hoping my code works.
13:31:43S_a_i_n_t"just make sure the backdrop isnt displayed" <−−- why's that?
13:32:04JdGordonyou can do your %?Tp<ipod|d2> thing now
13:32:10CIA-6r28372 build result: All green
13:32:18JdGordonbecause IIRC the touch regions are offset wrongly if the backdrop is shown
13:32:29S_a_i_n_tIs that only in the sim?
13:32:48S_a_i_n_tThat'll suck if it's on target also.
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13:34:33JdGordonthe sim backdrop i mean
13:34:36JdGordonthe one that shows the DAP
13:34:41JdGordonnot the one loaded on screen
13:35:04S_a_i_n_tOh...right. What crazy flags do I need to launch it with to achieve that?
13:35:07pixelmathe example code looks the wrong way around ;)
13:35:49S_a_i_n_t<iPod|D2>? iiuc it is, but "meh" ;)
13:37:01JdGordonisnt it %?<true|false>?
13:37:08JdGordonoh right
13:37:12*JdGordon suddenly clicks
13:37:14S_a_i_n_t;)
13:37:40JdGordonthat's gotta be a confidence booster in you lot! :p
13:37:55S_a_i_n_twe're used to it ;p
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13:52:46CIA-6New commit by 03pixelma (r28373): Manual: fix stupid typo that caused misalignment in the pegbox button table.
13:53:07CIA-6New commit by 03pixelma (r28374): Manual: fix stupid typo that caused misalignment in the pegbox button table.
13:54:18CIA-6r28373 build result: All green
13:58:14AlexPJdGordon: Looks hunky-dory, but I can't test build until I get home (I can't see that it'll break anything though)
13:58:31AlexPOops, too late I see
13:58:33AlexP:)
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14:00:44JdGordonthanks anyway :)
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14:04:07pixelmaI wonder though if the touchscreen related tags are inside an opt{touchscreen} and at least this one should probably be not. Currently test compiling a manual
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14:06:53pixelmalooks like it is
14:07:18*TheSeven wonders what receive_time() in usb_storage.c is all about
14:09:36JdGordonis that the itunes interface thingy?
14:10:20JdGordonIIRC itunes can send a magic command to the ipods to set the time
14:10:59TheSevenok, so I can safely forget about that :)
14:12:39*TheSeven wonders what's the minimum required subset of SCSI commands a UMS device needs to support
14:13:08*JdGordon suggests talking to gevaerts :p
14:13:40JdGordonkugel: svn up and do a new build!
14:15:58kugelJdGordon: I saw the commit but I'm not at home currently (and my laptop is in tks)
14:16:55JdGordonkeyboard is almost working also, yes/no screen should be simple to add, and panic will be done also
14:17:07JdGordonany ideas how to restart the service? or just have it commit suicide with the c code in a while(1); ?
14:17:29kugelbut I think your commit has a problem. it creates two RockboxFramebuffer instances now doesn't it?
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14:18:04JdGordonnot intentionally... I dont tihnk so?
14:18:43kugellcd_init_device() creates an instance iirc
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14:21:15kugelalso you create it without parameters, that constructor is inherited. RockvoxFramebuffer needs to know the display dimensions
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14:24:51pixelmamanual builds but the "Target Has A Touchscreen?" is a bit weird though - it gets an own section which is understandable as it is all different to the other touchscreen tags but doesn't look right. I also don't like this wording in a headline, it's very "everyday language". And as I said, the section will only show up in touchscreen target manuals. My suggestion is to start a "Hardware Capabilities" (or similiar) chapter and put it there together
14:24:52pixelmawith the "RTC present" tag which is also weird because currently you get an "RTC Tags" chapter on non-RTC targets just for that
14:25:13kugel2I think it would be better to create a stock View until RockvoxFramebuffer is ready
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14:25:32JdGordonkugel2: nup, I don't understand what your saying... you mean because startService() is after the instance=this; line?
14:25:39pixelmaAlexP, JdGordon: what do you think?
14:25:51JdGordonI try not to when at all possible
14:26:20AlexPpixelma: I like the idea of the hardware capabilities bit
14:26:21S_a_i_n_tOn the subject of manuals, I think having theme tag listing being target specific is stupid...each manual should contain a full listing of theme tags IMO
14:26:36AlexPpixelma: At the top I think
14:26:49S_a_i_n_tThe reader may want to make a theme for another device, or have it be compatible with many.
14:26:57AlexPS_a_i_n_t: Using pejorative words like "stupid" doesn't help get your point across, it is only likely to annoy people
14:27:08S_a_i_n_tAnd the manual recieves more attention than the wiki
14:27:47JdGordonahem, the tags shouldnt be in the manuals
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14:28:11S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: That would be fine, if the wiki was updated as much as the maual was ;)
14:28:20S_a_i_n_t*is
14:28:31JdGordonwell it is
14:28:40AlexPJdGordon: I don't actually have a strong opinion on whether the tags should be there or not, but while they are keeping them up to date is good :)
14:28:48AlexP(there = in the manual)
14:28:50JdGordonI suggested ages ago we generate the help text for the tags from a common text file and was yelled down
14:29:04AlexPI don't remember that
14:29:10kugelJdGordon: you added an explicit 'new RockboxFramebuffer()'
14:29:20JdGordonshit did I? which file?
14:29:41kugelin the service
14:29:47pixelmaI also think the manuals could have all tags for all targets but maybe with a marking of ones that are not possible or only in a certain way (e.g. viewport "colours"), that means going through all of it and add stuff...
14:29:47S_a_i_n_tIIRC I suggested making the theme tags section not target specific and there was mixed opinion leaning toward "good idea", but nothing came of it.
14:29:59kugelyour redo commit hasn't undone that
14:30:14S_a_i_n_tpixelma: Something like an asterix for tags your target can't use.
14:30:23AlexPS_a_i_n_t: Someone needs to do the work...
14:30:31pixelmamy opinion for a long time already
14:30:34S_a_i_n_t"*Not available on this target device"
14:31:06pixelmaAlexP: that's the problem
14:31:14JdGordonkugel: ok, wo where is fb initialiased? in the C code?!
14:31:40AlexPpixelma: Yep, it always is. Suggesting the idea is easy, then expecting other people to do it isn't :)
14:32:16kugelJdGordon: lcd_init_device()
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14:32:55S_a_i_n_tThat's not true at all.
14:33:04S_a_i_n_tExpecting others to do the work is easy also.
14:33:15AlexPyeah, very good
14:33:17JdGordon1) why not in the java? 2) why the hell does this code work then?!
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14:34:48kugel2JdGordon: I can have a deeper lookat this and your keyboard patch at the weekend
14:34:53S_a_i_n_tI'm not sure where you got the idea anyone was expecting anyone else to do the work though.
14:35:15S_a_i_n_tI'm happy to write a patch for the manual, but of course I'm going to see if there's any point i it first.
14:36:38kugel2JdGordon: I assume this code works because you call the inherited constructor and don't use the RockboxFramebuffer specific bits (so its actually a stock view)
14:37:35kugel2RockboxFramebuffer subclasses View which you need to display stuff
14:38:47JdGordonright ok, is the only reason the C code inits it because of the hardcoded screen size?
14:38:47AlexPpixelma: I think a nice layout would be to start with a hardware capabilities section whether all tags are shown or not, with all tags shown but some sort of visual indicator (colour/character/whatever) coming later
14:41:02pixelma"whether all tags are shown or not" - that's either a leftover of a different phrasing or I don't understant what you mean :)
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14:42:08S_a_i_n_t"i think this should happen, regardless if all tags are listed, or not"
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14:42:22S_a_i_n_tpixelma: ^ (rough translation)
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14:42:50AlexPpixelma: I mean that the hardware capabilties section should happen/would be nice, independant on whether all the tags get shown is changed
14:43:16kugelJdGordon: that and because it's the way how the target tree works
14:43:24pixelmaaha, thanks and I agree. I'll try to do that today
14:43:51AlexPcool
14:43:55pixelma(the "Hardware Capabilies" part for all)
14:44:01AlexPyeah :)
14:45:26JdGordonkugel: I didnt touch the RocboxFramebuffer.java so I didnt change its constructor.. I tinhk that extra init got added while I was fiddling and isnt needed for anything
14:45:29*JdGordon checking
14:46:11JdGordonno, removing it crashed big time
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14:54:21JdGordonkugel: AH HA! no, I didnt add a second call, I just moved it under the unzipping stuff. it is corrrect
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15:20:20Tornegevaerts: are we waiting for 3.7 before removing the 64mb ipodvideo builds?
15:20:48gevaertsTorne: I guess so
15:21:02gevaertsI think I removed them from the release branch already
15:21:20Torneat the moment the build system still does both and puts both up
15:21:23Tornefor current
15:21:47Torneah, yeha, you took it out of the release scripts already
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15:23:16Tornegevaerts: ah, except the 32mb build is still labelled "ipod video 30gb"
15:23:27Tornein builds.pm
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15:24:30gevaertsoh, right
15:24:59Torneshould probably call it something like iPod Video (all)?
15:25:08Tornejust to make it clear for people who knew there used to be two builds
15:25:59gevaertssounds good I think
15:26:09JdGordonWhat do I put for the title of the android keyboard input dialog? the current kbd_input doesnt have a title...
15:26:12Torneif it just says ipod video i can see some people being confused
15:26:38*gevaerts nods
15:27:16Tornesince nobody reads RecentChanges
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15:27:25Tornewe should do something about the front page :)
15:27:29Torne..i have no idea what
15:27:57LambdaCalculus37Torne: Paint it bright pink? ;)
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15:28:59gevaertsAt least the release notes should talk about this
15:30:45LambdaCalculus37Well, on a different note, does anyone feel that the GoGear HDD16x0 series port is at the point where we can promote it to Unstable?
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15:36:15n1sLambdaCalculus37: does it boot and play music semi reliably?
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15:39:07LambdaCalculus37n1s: Yup. Plugins work, it builds green, there's an install method in the wiki, and audio playback is very stable.
15:39:25LambdaCalculus37n1s: About the only thing it doesn't have yet is a manual and RBUtil support.
15:39:33n1ssounds good to me then
15:40:23LambdaCalculus37n1s: We already have it in the build system as well.
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15:43:28LambdaCalculus37We also don't have any images of the HDD1630 for the manual.
15:43:51b0hoonLambdaCalculus37: and for the site
15:44:33LambdaCalculus37b0hoon: I think there was an image for the HDD1620 floating around in Flyspray somewhere...
15:45:14b0hoonLambdaCalculus37: yes it is but unfinished and it is for the manual, not for the www
15:46:04LambdaCalculus37b0hoon: It's FS #10329
15:46:27b0hoonLambdaCalculus37: perfectdrug is a specialist in this
15:46:41b0hoonIIRC
15:47:37LambdaCalculus37b0hoon: I haven't seen him around lately, though.
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15:52:20slaterhey everybody I am kinda stuck on figuring out which bootloader my YP-R0 uses with the original firmware. Could somebody take a look at the mboot.bin and maybe knows which one it is?
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16:39:40sghpixelma: hello, you've told me to check the filesystem of my Fuze for errors and said that you know a tool to do so under windows
16:40:14sghcould you tell me which tool? is it preinstalled in windows?
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16:41:27n1ssgh: chkdsk should be able to do it
16:42:28sghcan you specify what I need to write in cmd?
16:43:05sghmy Fuze is at F:\
16:43:23S_a_i_n_tright click on the dirve
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16:43:49S_a_i_n_tselect properties
16:43:52S_a_i_n_tselect tools
16:44:02S_a_i_n_tselect error-checking
16:44:11S_a_i_n_tsgh: ^
16:44:17sghokay thank you :)
16:44:38sghI guess I should check both options
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16:45:14S_a_i_n_tautomatically fix errors, and scan for/attempt recovery of bad sectors
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18:16:01S_a_i_n_tIf you come up with a cure for cancer, or grow a liver from scratch in your efforts in the new ~10 years...gimme a yell ;)
18:16:10S_a_i_n_tshit, wrong window,
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18:40:06saratogawoot fedex says they dropped a google package at my house
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18:53:42slatercould someone take a look at a shell script. i have posted it in the forum under the following url: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=26103.0
18:56:48S_a_i_n_tslater: My guess is that there's quite a few IRC channels that could offer bettor (and not offtopic) support for .sh scripts
18:56:59S_a_i_n_t*better
18:58:01slaterwell ok anyway thanks
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19:00:20pixelmaAFAIU this had something to do with a started port of Rockbox, though I don't understand exactly what this scroipt has to do with it
19:00:39pixelmaa script too
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19:52:08saratogaslater: maybe a better strategy is working on injecting code into the OF updates
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20:31:17pixelmaAlexP: collected, rearranged and rephrased a bit for the "Hardware Capabilites" part: http://pastebin.com/F7tsfgSv . Would be nice if you could have a look, especially wrt wording
20:32:36pixelmadamn, that word seems hard to spell... ;)
20:52:38*TheSeven wonders how reclaiming the .init.text space works
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21:04:48TheSevenalso the icode section copy in dram...
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21:21:13n1sTheSeven: by lds script black magic, i think
21:21:35*TheSeven can't find that black magic
21:21:40amiconnNot really black magic. Just overlapping sections
21:21:46n1sbasically those secions are overlapped with other sections that are not loaded with anything
21:21:49TheSevenit appears to not be implemented at all on nano2g IIUC
21:22:13amiconnThe code has to make sure that use of section A has finished before use of section B starts
21:22:16TheSeventhis can't possibly work if .init.text is *before* .text, can it?
21:22:23amiconn(if A and B overlap, obviously)
21:23:17amiconnOn SH1 .iram (.icode+.idata+.iconst) overlaps the main stack
21:23:30TheSevencan you have a look at http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/app.lds?view=markup
21:23:37TheSeveni don't see anything overlapping there
21:23:58amiconnSince on other targets we have the main stack in iram itself, we usually overlap .bss
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21:39:32TheSevenamiconn: can you name any target where this definitely works, so that I can compare?
21:39:54n1sTheSeven: yes, it seems the nano2g doesn't overlap iram with anything else
21:40:08n1sit's easy to see in the rockbox.map file
21:40:14TheSevenalso init.text, same issue
21:40:57TheSevenhow can i make two sections overlap?
21:41:12amiconnI mentioned one already
21:41:37TheSevenjust by saving and restoring "." to some symbol, or is there a more elegant way?
21:42:02TheSevenamiconn: you mean http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/target/sh/archos/app.lds?view=log?
21:42:34amiconnyes
21:44:14TheSeveni can't spot anything there either
21:44:45TheSevenoh, the address specification in the .stack section, right
21:45:14amiconnlines 92..103
21:45:44amiconnMost app.lds files have similar mechanisms for different sections
21:46:06n1sthe _noloaddram thing
21:47:05amiconnOh, and btw, .init.text goes to the start of the .text destination section. The section for disposable init code seems to be .init
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22:03:41sgh1is there an alternative to chkdsk to check and fix filesystem errors
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22:04:14sgh1chkdsk reports that theres an unspecified problem
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22:06:15linuxstbsgh1: You could just reformat.
22:07:19sgh1that hasn't solved my problem :/ (white screen on Sansa Fuze v1)
22:07:52sgh1well I'm using Linux now and I'd like to try the linux method
22:08:32sgh1anyway I don't know which excerpt of my dmesg is the right one for figuring out where my Fuze is
22:11:32alexbobPcount yourself lucky... my fuze has a white screen with a technicolor line shooting across it
22:11:40alexbobPas you might guess it's not a software issue :/
22:12:02alexbobP(okay, maybe not so much "lucky" as "smart enough not to roll your chair over your player")
22:13:50sgh1when I've googled I realized that this is a common problem with the Fuze :/
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22:24:21n1ssgh1: the linux way of fixing fat filesystems is fsck.vfat
22:24:56n1sbut foolklore has it windows tools are slightly better at actually fixing broken filesystems
22:25:04n1ss/oo/o/
22:26:29sgh1I guess thats due to the fact that many devices use FAT filesystem :D
22:26:58sgh1wodz told me to "run as root mkfs.vfat -a -w /dev/sdX"
22:27:12sgh1thats a different thing then
22:27:17n1sthat will reformat the partition
22:27:51sgh1I'll check out both things then
22:28:17tmzt_android has a dosfsck that might be better, you could try building it
22:28:29n1sif you format the partition there's no point in trying to fsck it
22:30:45sgh1well I guess reformating is more likely to solve that problem and more easier and faster than to build the dosfsck
22:31:40n1sprobably
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22:56:01TheSevenis there a way to suppress that annoying "overlaps previous sections" warning?
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23:18:52kugelTheSeven: INIT_ATTR isn't implemented for all platforms yes
23:19:26TheSevenwhen flicking through some lds files, i didn't find a single one that overlaps .init.text
23:19:59TheSevendo you know by chance how i can get rid of arm-none-eabi-ld: build/ipodnano2g/umsboot.elf: section .ramdisk vma 0x8000000 overlaps previous sections?
23:20:14TheSeven(the overlap is intentional, i just want to suppress that warning)
23:21:06TheSevenyou'll probably have hit something similar with the init and iram overlapping
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23:27:19kugelTheSeven: I never saw init.text to be honest
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23:28:13kugelTheSeven: I suppose init.text is nano2g specific since INIT_ATTR only adds the init (without .text) section
23:28:24TheSeveni've also seen it on pp and sh in the .lds
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23:29:49kugelTheSeven: I think the linker only warns if the final location overlaps, not the load address (i.e. the lds is wrong)
23:30:08TheSevenin my case the final location is identical, damn
23:30:22TheSevenit's something used as initcode first and bss afterwards
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23:43:46kugelTheSeven: that trick is used on various targets, i don
23:43:53kugelI don't know why it warns for you
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