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#rockbox log for 2010-10-31

00:00:19mc2739iirc, I just changed the links to previous/historical builds
00:01:07mc2739oops, there are links that need changing there
00:02:53 Nick drizztbsd_ is now known as drizztbsd (~quassel@unaffiliated/drizztbsd)
00:02:57CIA-8New commit by 03mc2739 (r28404): Update byhand.cgi for 3.7 release
00:03:20mc2739Bagder: one more update please
00:03:35Bagderthere
00:03:50AlexPRight, just some emails to go I think
00:03:56AlexPComing up... :)
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00:07:38AlexPWill http://download.rockbox.org/daily/build-info also take a while to pick up the changes/for them to propagate?
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00:09:21mc2739that will probably update when the dailies run
00:09:28Bagderexactly
00:09:37AlexPah, got it
00:10:07AlexPSo rbutil won't get the new release till then, but a few hours won't matter :)
00:10:19AlexPUnless they run at midnight :)
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00:12:30Bagder03:00 CET I believe
00:12:42AlexPOK, ace
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00:13:12BagderI wonder what happens if it had ben 02:00 this particular night...
00:13:35Bagderas I think 03:00 only happens once
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00:13:59Bagder"daylight savings hour"
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00:15:02AlexPBagder: yeah, good point :)
00:18:02AlexPGiven the way releases generally tend to sneak up on us, and then there are "discussions" about dates etc., I plan to set up a release calendar for the next time round
00:18:18Bagdersounds excellent!
00:18:31AlexPIt won't of course be set in stone, but I think should give us a better idea of what should happen when
00:18:51AlexPSo I guess google calendar would probably work well
00:19:15AlexPIn this vein, are we going to try and get back to a three month cycle?
00:19:45AlexPI'll probably set it up for that, then post to -dev and if it gets decided to change it, we can change the calendar
00:21:04*kugel votes for 4 month cycle with (max) 3 point releases
00:21:12kugelpoint release as in 3.7.1
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00:21:45AlexPkugel: yes, if we are doing point releases (and I strongly feel we should) then maybe 4 month would make more sense
00:22:29kugelI'd also vote for 10 days of freeze and 4 days of branching instead of the current 7:7 split
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00:23:48kugelIMO the branch period is mostly a waste of time. if we discourage big commits to make backporting easier we can just as well extend the freeze period
00:26:01AlexPyeah, not much happens in the branch
00:28:02n1si think the most important part is getting some person that is more or less responsible for the relese (call it a release manager if you will) that keeps track of what needs to be done and has the finalt go/nogo say
00:28:14*gevaerts cheers for 3.7
00:28:52AlexPn1s: I'm happy to do the admin bit
00:28:58AlexPwell, maybe not happy :)
00:29:01AlexPwilling :)
00:29:12n1sAlexP has had that kind of role this time i thin and gevaerts has had it before but i think we should agree on someone before each relese
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00:29:30AlexPyeah
00:29:38Bagderyes, that will help a lot
00:30:28n1smaybe something to do at the same time as the next freeze
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00:31:44AlexPI think it'd help to be sorted before that
00:31:53*gevaerts nods
00:31:58AlexPSo that the person doing it can do things like start the freeze
00:32:21n1ssounds good
00:32:23gevaertsI'm happy to do these things, but this time it wasn't very convenient for me...
00:32:32*gevaerts blames evilnick
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00:36:52AlexPI'm just thinking of something like this for the release (look in February)
00:36:54AlexPhttp://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=budlu5aq22827q4o5vl9oed450%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/Paris
00:37:29AlexPObviously it can be fleshed out with more/less/other tasks, but just something public well in advance so everyone knows where we are
00:38:12gevaertsseems reasonable
00:38:21n1sthat calendar is blank for me
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00:38:31AlexPn1s: In february?
00:38:48n1sah, next feb
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00:39:34AlexPmost of the specific stuff will be for the release manager more than anything
00:39:41n1sright, so when should we choose the RM in this plan?
00:39:50AlexPSoon I'd say
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00:40:18AlexPMaybe an e-mail to -dev (or -committers?) would be in order
00:40:55AlexPNo point waiting I don't think
00:41:05n1sit's more or less just formalizing something we have done informally but yes i think that is in order
00:41:39n1shopefully we will have lees chaotic releases then :)
00:41:52n1ss/ee/es/
00:41:53kugelthe RM should also annoy us soon enough to look out for commits which should go into 3.7 branch for the point releases
00:41:53AlexPyes :)
00:42:11AlexPyes, that too
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02:42:11edboyer93why does the rockbox utility still say that the fuze v2 is unstable?
02:46:22JdGordonbecause fuzev2 became stable last night and rbutil hasnt been updated?
02:50:49edboyer93yeah i guess so, after checking i see that the latest version of Rockbox Utility was released on 9-23-10
02:54:17mc2739try again in a couple of hours
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02:58:41edboyer93alright thanks, i just did a manual install instead
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02:39:45BiontHi all. Before I left off, I was told I need this to be able to compile rb for android using cygwin: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11234?getfile=22708
02:40:16S_a_i_n_tyou were told you *might* need that....not that you *were* ;)
02:40:35S_a_i_n_t*would, rather
02:40:53BiontOh there you are^^ well I sure am a noob but it does look like it would solve the problem
02:42:00Biontat least it looks like it would prevent configure from looking for a linux sdk when used by cygwin
02:42:38S_a_i_n_tOnly one way to find out ;)
02:42:42Biontbut then again, I have no clue XD question is: what do I need to do with it?
02:43:48S_a_i_n_tMake sure the file is in your source folder (usually "rockbox), and use the command "patch"
02:44:13S_a_i_n_t"patch -p0 < filename_of_patch_file.patch" should work.
02:44:45S_a_i_n_t(without the quotes, substituting the correct filename)
02:45:54S_a_i_n_tthen compile as normal.
02:47:13Biont"can't find file to patch at input line 3"
02:47:45S_a_i_n_tOk, it was probably geberated with git instead of SVN then...try p1 instead of p0
02:47:55S_a_i_n_t"patch -p1 < filename_of_patch_file.patch" should work.
02:48:39Biontguess that worked
02:48:39S_a_i_n_t*generated, rather
02:48:45Biontat least it didn't complain this time
02:48:56S_a_i_n_tSweet. Now compile as normal.
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02:50:28Biontdammit, now it doesn't find the sdk again. could you help me out with the proper command again please?
02:51:32S_a_i_n_tI'm not familiar with compiling for RaaA at all...it was probably someone else that helped you earlier.
02:52:00Biontyes, kugel told me. I just hoped you'd know
02:52:36S_a_i_n_texport VARIABLE=/path/to/sdk_or_ndk
02:52:45S_a_i_n_t(pulled it ot of my scrollback)
02:52:46Biontthank you
02:55:28Biontwoot, no errors after configure
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02:57:39Bionthm...
02:57:52Biontconvbdf: No such file or directory
02:58:30S_a_i_n_tis the source destination in your $PATH?
02:58:42S_a_i_n_tas, it should have no problems finding that.
02:59:01S_a_i_n_tunless your source checkout is incomplete
02:59:20S_a_i_n_t"echo $PATH"
03:00
03:00:19Biontthat displays lots of stuff which doesn't seem to be related to cygwin or rockbox
03:00:48S_a_i_n_tThat's not very helpful ;) could you pastebin the output of "echo $PATH" please
03:01:22BiontI would if I knew how to copy text out of the cygwin terminal
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03:02:50S_a_i_n_tselect the text with left click, copy it to the clipboard with right click
03:03:41Biontclicking does nothing at all :/ I'm uploading a screenshot if that's okay
03:04:19S_a_i_n_tYou can also click the Cygqin icon, and selct edit
03:04:28S_a_i_n_t*CygWin
03:04:38S_a_i_n_tIt's up the ttop left of the terminal window.
03:04:42Biontyep, I just figured that out
03:05:03Bionthttp://pastebin.com/c4w1yprF
03:07:28S_a_i_n_tand, what is the patch to the s/ndk?
03:08:24S_a_i_n_t*path
03:08:25S_a_i_n_tsorry
03:08:50BiontBiont@Biont-PC ~/rockbox/build $ export ANDROID_NDK_PATH=../../../android-ndk-r4b
03:09:35BiontI put them in /home
03:10:14Biontdon't be mad if I screwed up there. It's been a while
03:10:58Biont:)
03:11:57S_a_i_n_tadding "cygdrive/c/Cygwin/home/<username>:" to your path should be sufficient
03:12:14S_a_i_n_tor, the equivalent
03:12:45S_a_i_n_tthat's how it would look to me, on my patch, but I don't know your folder structure.
03:12:49S_a_i_n_t*path
03:13:52Biontso where would I add that?
03:14:16S_a_i_n_tusually, in your .bashrc
03:15:18Biontcan I edit it with wordpad or the editor? I heard that could cause problems
03:16:21S_a_i_n_tadd "PATH=cygdrive/c/path_to_home/<username>:" to your .bashrc file, make sure to use an editor that won't muck up the line endings.
03:16:57S_a_i_n_tobviously replacing "path_to_home/<username>" with the correct info.
03:17:34S_a_i_n_tSciTE is a good editor, and won't mess up your line endings.
03:19:30Biontso I just paste it to the end of the file?
03:20:11S_a_i_n_tyep. I'm just guessing this is the problem btw ;)
03:20:33S_a_i_n_thaving the sdk in your path seems like a perfectly sane idea though ;p
03:21:29S_a_i_n_tyou'l need to close/reopen cygwin, and then if you do "echo $PATH" again it should now include the path to the sdk
03:23:55Bionthm...this doesn't look good
03:24:03S_a_i_n_t?
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03:25:34Biontnow it looks better :D
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03:28:36S_a_i_n_tBiont: Success?
03:29:07Biontmake zip is running atm
03:29:15Biontdamn...it's still the same
03:30:17S_a_i_n_twhat's the error you're getting? are you running "make" before "make zip"?
03:31:39Biontwhoops, no. I was mostly relying on this guide http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/AndroidPort
03:32:22BiontI had the regular guide to compiling open, but didn't see that one, sorry
03:33:52S_a_i_n_tOk, so...apparently I spun off on a tangent with the $PATH there, but...it shouldn;t hurt anything leaving it in your path...you can get a clean .bashrc from \etc\skel\ to replace the modified one.
03:34:26S_a_i_n_tIt does state in the android guide to do a "make" also, I'd kinda assumed you'd seen that.
03:35:49Biontyeah, that was stupid
03:36:16S_a_i_n_tNot stupid, just unprepared...you'd no way to know.
03:36:29S_a_i_n_texcept reading of course.
03:37:25Biont:D
03:37:52Biont"make apk (you need a debug signature setup for signing the apk)". does this say anything to you? because that command won't work for me
03:38:18*S_a_i_n_t shrugs.
03:39:06Bionthttp://pastebin.com/YUUyZnvU
03:40:48S_a_i_n_tYeah..pass. All that tells me is that your dev environment isn't set up correctly.
03:41:03S_a_i_n_tBut without a specific CygWin guide...I'm not really surprised.
03:41:20S_a_i_n_tI'd probably use a *nix VM personally.
03:41:23Bionthm...okay
03:41:44Biontyeah I tried that before
03:42:07S_a_i_n_twell, that should have worked fine.
03:42:44BiontI couldn't get it to connect to the internet
03:43:47Biontwhich is odd because I had it working 2 times before on other occasions...so it's not necessarily because I'm too dumb
03:44:50S_a_i_n_tJust go with one of the prebuilt .apks, less hassle.
03:45:48S_a_i_n_tOr try tracking down Ketut Putu Kumajaya (blackhawk)
03:46:03S_a_i_n_tHe's obviously figured it out.
03:46:16Biontit's already running fine on my phone using one of the prebuilt ones
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03:47:21Biontcompiling rb has been haunting be for some time now :D I though it might work this time XD
03:47:51S_a_i_n_tWell, if it wasn't for android...I could be of more help.
03:48:01S_a_i_n_tVery, very few devs use CygWin.
03:48:12Biontno problem man. Thank you a lot!
03:48:23BiontI know that :)
03:48:51S_a_i_n_tAs I said, if you want to undo the changes to your path from earlier...grab a clean .bashrc file from etc\skel\
03:49:24BiontI kight as well have a shot at the vm version again
03:49:28Biont*might
03:50:30Biontat least, that's a lot easier to install
03:50:37S_a_i_n_tAnd if you want to kill CygWin completely, it's as simpleas deleting the .cygwin folder.
03:50:54S_a_i_n_t*cygwin, rather
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03:51:44Biontgood to know
03:51:53BiontI'm afk for a cigarette
03:52:03LeonTrollskihello
03:52:29LeonTrollskii seem to have a problem :<
03:54:00LeonTrollskispecifically, a sansa fuze v.1 with rockbox 3.7
03:54:19LeonTrollskiUSB mode keeps turning on and off when i plug it into the computer
03:54:23LeonTrollskiwhat do
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04:02:06Biontre ...thank you for your help again. Guess I'll just try vmware again
04:02:14Biontgoodbye
04:02:30S_a_i_n_t0/
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04:03:49LeonTrollskiim sorry if this is answered somewhere on the fora/website somewhere. i searched but no luck.
04:05:05S_a_i_n_tI think this happens when the bootloader doesn't support USB, and the build expects it to...did you only update the .rockbox folder, or did you do a complete installation?
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04:06:27LeonTrollskii did a complete install, but the utility installed 3.6 and i just put in the 7.7 .rockbox manually
04:06:34LeonTrollski3.7*
04:06:41S_a_i_n_tThat's why.
04:06:42LeonTrollskiso i suppose that may be the problem
04:07:09S_a_i_n_tYou can either wait for rbutil to support 3.7, or do a full manual installation.
04:08:39LeonTrollskido i need to uninstall the old one before doing a manual install?
04:08:54LeonTrollskior will it overwrite correctly?
04:09:25S_a_i_n_tIt should do.
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04:28:34LeonTrollskicould not ope bootloader-fuze.sansa for reading -_-
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04:32:00LeonTrollskiohlolol, the utility is doing 3.7 now nvm.
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06:03:13JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: hypothetically, if we could do bmp selectors... how would you expect it to be configured?
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06:03:35JdGordonand the list scrollbar also
06:03:43JdGordonwhack em in the sbs?
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06:04:51S_a_i_n_terrr, ...yes. seems sensible.
06:05:13JdGordonnot really.. but its about as good as we can do for now :/
06:06:01S_a_i_n_tthe problem is, or, a problem...is that I'm not 100% all the screens thta could have a scrollbar have .sbs support.
06:06:04S_a_i_n_tOr, do they?
06:06:27JdGordon99% of them do
06:07:28JdGordondoes the scrollbar go inside the ui viewport? or outside of it?
06:08:09S_a_i_n_tI'd say outside, personally.
06:08:33S_a_i_n_tOr so you mean what it *should* do?
06:08:45S_a_i_n_tIt *oes* go outside the viewport AKAIK
06:08:47S_a_i_n_t*does
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06:10:38JdGordonso I should do it floating like the %Lt tag? where if it is in the sbs the list will pass of the drawing?
06:10:47JdGordonleave its placement entirely up to the theme?
06:11:58JdGordonthe selector bmp should probably be set *inside* the %Vi viewport so you could have different ones for each conditional ui vp
06:13:37S_a_i_n_tI'm trying to think about how the built in one is done.
06:13:49S_a_i_n_tErrrr...do it like that, but with a bitmap ;)
06:14:20S_a_i_n_tI imagine the scrollbar will be a lot easier than the line selector to implement
06:14:50JdGordonactually no :p
06:15:07JdGordonwell, much of a muchness really
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06:40:12webguest94hi all
06:40:45webguest94is there any one can help me wit my ipod nano??
06:41:14S_a_i_n_tdepends what's wrong with it.
06:41:40webguest94after install rockbox... i can not get it connect to the pc any more
06:42:29JdGordonhmm... scrolling once again kills everything
06:42:49webguest94??
06:42:50JdGordonyou dont want to scroll over the entire bmp... that wont work
06:42:55*JdGordon grumbles
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06:43:23S_a_i_n_twebguest94: What Nano is it? And what version of Rockbox did you install.
06:43:36S_a_i_n_tAlso, what happens when you connect it to your PC
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06:44:19webguest94nano 1g rockbox current version...
06:44:37S_a_i_n_tand, what happens when you connect it?
06:44:40webguest94it said usd need more power
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06:46:47S_a_i_n_twebguest94: What does it say *exactly* when you plug it in?
06:48:01webguest94umm...give me 1 sec i have to chnage my OS to english
06:49:36webguest94when i plug it into windows, it donot show up any error msg...
06:49:45webguest94but just not connect up
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06:50:37S_a_i_n_twhat happens on the Ipod's screen?
06:51:20webguest94normal rockbox menue screan
06:52:26S_a_i_n_thave you tried a different USB port, or a different cable if possible?
06:52:44webguest94yes
06:53:14S_a_i_n_tIs the Apple firmware detected by the OS?
06:54:54webguest94how can i go to apple firmware??
06:55:45S_a_i_n_tpower the player off using PLAY, then restart it and quickly flip the hold switch on.
06:57:19webguest94it work
06:57:51S_a_i_n_tSo, the OS detects the player in the Apple firmware?
06:57:58webguest94yes
06:58:10S_a_i_n_tRight, restart the player using menu+select to boot rockbox.
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06:59:19webguest94does not read
06:59:29S_a_i_n_tdoes not read...what?
06:59:56webguest94done not connect
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07:30:21woodensoulhey all. I'm giving 3.7 a shot on my iPod Video and USB support doesn't seem to work. When trying to write to the disk, I get errors and after browsing a bit through explorer the drive appears blank but isn't. Anyone seen the same thing?
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08:21:39bertrikJdGordon, do you think the radio RSSI patch ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8151 ) is good enough to be committed?
08:22:01bertrikIt doesn't have the graphic yet, but I think we can commit this first and do the graphic later.
08:23:01bertrikIs there any policy on WPS tags naming? if so, is it OK like it's done in the v11 patch?
08:23:15JdGordonyes, its fine as is (once its in I can fix the skin side pretty quickly)
08:23:45JdGordoncan you add some helpers to give an idea of the RSSI if it is actually usable or not?
08:24:03JdGordonI mean, can the drivers be told "this range would be 1 bar, this 2 bars"
08:24:13JdGordonotherwise its up to percentages which doesnt make sens
08:24:13JdGordone
08:28:54bertrikNo, I think it is very hard to this for every radio in an objective way (because probably nobody has targets covering all tuner chips).
08:29:16bertrikWe have RSSI_MIN now which represents "no bars" and RSSI_MAX which represents "max bars"
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08:29:36JdGordonand RSSI_CURRENT which is "some bars" ?
08:29:54JdGordonthemers will have to use %if() to do some meaningful representation?
08:29:58bertrikAnd we could tweak RSSI_MIN up a bit, to mean something like "very weak reception" (RSSI_MAX -> very good reception)
08:30:10JdGordon(i.e if RSSI > X show 1, >Y show 2)
08:31:52bertrikIf was thinking of interpolating it linearly between RSSI_MIN and RSSI_MAX, something like "image index" = "number of images" * (current - min) / (max - min)
08:32:26JdGordonright, but that doesnt really make sense does it?
08:32:58JdGordon1/4 of the rssi range doesnt mean 1 bar
08:32:59bertrikwhy not? what exactly should the graphic show then, other than RSSI ?
08:34:42bertrikWe could define a curve for each tuner that maps RSSI to "reception quality"
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08:35:34JdGordonthats what I was trying to say, but simpler :) it really only needs 4 steps
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08:37:02bertrikMany tuners offer much more resolution. Maybe a themer wants 8 steps.
08:37:23tmztyou could use rds biterror as extra information if present
08:39:03S_a_i_n_tI'd probably just go for "good/shit".
08:39:29tmztuse a vu dial or leds like a car radio :)
08:39:31bertriktmzt, that would make it more complex IMO, AFAIK there's only one tuner in rockbox targets that could do this and it's not enabled in the driver yet
08:39:36tmztor a FM STEREO led
08:39:56bertriktmzt, I think we already have a FMS tag for stereo
08:40:10n1sthere is
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09:17:50AlexPJdGordon: RBUtil reads a list of which players are stabe and what the latest release is from the website, which is only updated once daily (at 03:00 CET IBagderRC)
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10:19:42JdGordonanyone use the android builds?
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10:40:26pixelmaI find two reports of non-working USB connection shortly after the release a bit weird
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10:50:17S_a_i_n_tpixelma: I believe it has to do with build/bootloader missmatch
10:50:32pixelmaon older Ipods?
10:50:45S_a_i_n_tAh...no.
10:51:00pixelmait was about a Nano 1st gen and a Video
10:51:33S_a_i_n_tThe nano1st gen I have no idea what was going on...and he just abruptly left
10:51:39S_a_i_n_tthe Video I have not seen.
10:52:21pixelmamaybe I should try on my c200, pp too at least
10:52:51S_a_i_n_tUnfortunately I don't Nano1Gs anymore
10:53:08S_a_i_n_totherwise I would have more insight into the Nano1g...but, alas.
10:53:27S_a_i_n_ts/don't/don't have any/
10:55:45JdGordondoes anyone have any suggestions what title to give the android keyboard input dialog?
10:56:04AlexPColin?
10:56:21JdGordon"Rockbox wants your input" isnt really nice
10:56:32S_a_i_n_tPhillipe
10:56:33AlexPsorry, wrong channel :)
10:57:19S_a_i_n_tDoes it need a title?
10:57:28S_a_i_n_tIsn't it pretty obvious what's happening?
10:59:52JdGordonno, the previous screen slides away
10:59:52JdGordonsome sort of title would be nice
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11:01:03S_a_i_n_tthe same thing happens in RB (without a screen transition), and there's no title.
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11:01:18S_a_i_n_tBut, I guess.
11:01:22AlexPbut there it is obvious you are still in Rockbox
11:01:47JdGordonI would evetually like to pass a title to kbd_input() so it can be shown, but untill then..?
11:01:54JdGordonjust "Rockbox"?
11:02:07S_a_i_n_tI just can't think of anything that doesn't read like a book, or sound bloody obvious like "Keyboard"
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11:03:37JdGordonI'll get a screenshot up to show how it looks...
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11:07:29JdGordonhttp://imagebin.ca/view/Espzz5Rx.html
11:08:54JdGordonOH FUCKING HELL, WHY IS GRID MODE STILL FUCKING DEFAULT!
11:08:57JdGordonAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
11:11:47JdGordonso, any suggestions?
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11:17:38S_a_i_n_tgo all clinical on its ass..."Rockbox: Input Required"
11:17:56*JdGordon added the rockbox icon to the title
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11:29:06pixelmaok, the c200's r3.7 doesn't have problems establishing a USB data connection on XP but even though it's very similar to the Ipods it's still not 100% the same. I think someone else with an Ipod should try too
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11:40:04kugelsaying "RockboxService.fb != null was very very bad", but solving it with a getter wrapper and declaring it clean now...
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11:40:32JdGordonyes, statis fields are not good OO
11:40:47JdGordoneither do the singleton or dont
11:41:01kugelsingleton == static
11:41:12kugelin essence
11:41:20JdGordoni suggest you go back to school then.. no it isnt
11:41:52kugelI'll go back to school then, daddy
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11:47:01kugelJdGordon: is your eclipse adding these @Override when implementing interfaces?
11:47:38kugelthe eclipse on my laptop also did that, but on my desktop it says it's an error
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11:49:40bertrikmaybe a difference in java version, or in java compliance level
11:51:29kugelI'm wondering if we should use camelCase in the java files for our own code too. the android api (and all java anyway) is camelCase so it looks very strange when mixed with our under_score scheme
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12:11:54bertrikOn my clip+, the code for configuring the MCLK for I2S input don't seem to make any difference at all, it looks like recording uses the same clock as playback
12:12:30kugelLear: what's your question?
12:13:10bertrikin other words, I can just comment out the configuration code and it still works as expected
12:13:28kugeldoes the bootloader set it?
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12:13:44LearHow to generate the R.java file from the makefiles. Seems like it is assumed to be created via Eclipse or something.
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12:14:02bertrikpossibly, I'll have to check whether pcm-as3525 is included in the bootloader
12:14:31kugelLear: "make $PWD/gen/org/rockbox/R.java" should work
12:14:40bertrikanyway, it appears we don't need to code because even recording at different sample rates works normally without the extra configuration
12:14:48kugelbut it should be (re-)generated automatically
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12:16:08LearWhen I run "make apk" I get this message: "ERROR: resource directory '<path...>\android\res' does not exist".
12:17:14kugelstrange, it exists doesn't it?
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12:17:53LearThat's when running the AAPT command. Does that create/update the R.java file?
12:18:02LearNot the res folder, no.
12:18:14kugelthere must be a res folder
12:18:34kugelunless what you abbreviated as "<path>..." isn't what I think it is
12:18:49kugeldo you build on cygwin?
12:19:32LearI abbreviated it. Didn't think the full path was interesting. And yes, that's on Cygwin, yes (after fixing the configure script).
12:19:44kugelthe full path is always interesting when something doesn't exist
12:20:04LearWell, the path was okay, except the "res" bit.
12:20:11kugelhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11234 has a patch which fixes building on cygwin
12:22:07LearAh, I missed that when I had a quick look at that task. Thanks.
12:24:11LearAnd I was a bit too quick about that res path; res does exist (I looked in the build directory first :). Having backslashes as separators might be the problem. But I'll test the build patch first.
12:24:46kugelthe res dir is in <svnroot>/android, not in the build dir
12:29:12LearAh, that worked better. Now I just need to make sure javac is in my path.
12:32:36LearDid get this message though: "THIS TOOL IS DEPRECATED." When runnin APK it seems.
12:32:58kugelthat's known
12:34:14kugelJdGordon: nice work on the keyboard
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12:40:29kugelJdGordon: unfortunately you don't seem to have cared a lot about existing coding style (tabs, brace placement)
12:48:45LearOh, the default statusbar is tiny. :)
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13:40:51CIA-8New commit by 03wodz (r28413): Fix and extend imageviewer png support. FS #11641 by me
13:41:13LambdaCalculus37Bagder, Zagor: (for the logs) Could one of you add the HDD6330 bootloader, sim, and checkwps to the build system?
13:42:06terucan anyone please check the patch on FS #11682, especially manual part? patch is http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11682?getfile=22745
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13:43:00LambdaCalculus37teru: Sure.
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13:45:50LambdaCalculus37teru: I'll fix the wording in the manual portion of your patch and commit it.
13:46:51teruthank you.
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13:48:05LambdaCalculus37teru: Let me make sure it builds green and works.
13:48:05FrancyHello
13:48:21FrancyHello
13:48:26AlexPyes, hello
13:48:34AlexPIf you have a question please just ask
13:48:43FrancyHi, where can I find the gameboy emulator? On the page the plugin do not link to the download ...
13:48:49AlexPIt is included
13:48:53AlexPas are all plugins
13:49:06AlexPJust click on a ROM as you would a music file
13:49:40AlexP(assuming it works on your player)
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13:50:50FrancyWhat do you call the plugin that emulates the Game Boy?
13:50:56LambdaCalculus37Rockboy.
13:51:37FrancyAmong the plugins do not play ...
13:51:39AlexPI just told you, click on the ROM image. It is a viewer, it doesn't appear on the plugin list (the manual explains this)
13:51:54FrancyNot else between games
13:52:01AlexPI don't understand
13:52:42FrancyExcuse me if I do not speak English well, I'm Italian
13:54:07Francygameboy emulator where it should be?
13:54:10AlexP[13:51:38] <AlexP> I just told you, click on the ROM image. It is a viewer, it doesn't appear on the plugin list (the manual explains this)
13:54:29FrancyI understand thanks = D
13:55:04FrancyJust download the roms and the select and start?
13:55:15AlexPDon't ask about ROMs here
13:55:39AlexPUnless the legal homebrew type
13:55:40FrancyI know
13:55:50FrancyI download the legal roms
13:55:51AlexPBut yes, once you have the rom, select it as you would a music file
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13:56:40JdGordonwhy does the "DB not read, Initialize now" splash not end in a ?
13:56:49JdGordonor have I messed up the c->java again?
13:57:09AlexPI thought it did, but I couldn't swear to it
13:57:23LambdaCalculus37teru: Your patch builds green and works. In it goes. :)
13:57:30JdGordonlooks like it doesnt
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14:00:36LambdaCalculus37teru: Want to commit it?
14:01:42teruyeah. does the manual look ok?
14:02:11LambdaCalculus37teru: I did make a little change to the manual portion of the patch. If you'd like, I can also commit the patch for you on my end and include the wording fixes I made to the manual.
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14:05:02LambdaCalculus37teru: I didn't intend of committing it right away, and my message was incomplete.
14:05:09FrancyI downloaded a game for the gbc, how do I get it to work?
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14:05:41Francy I downloaded a game for the gbc, how do I get it to work?
14:07:04LambdaCalculus37Francy: Pleaes stop repeating your question. AlexP already explained to you how to play GB/GBC games.
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14:08:04teruLambdaCalculus37: thank you for checking.
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14:08:43LambdaCalculus37teru: You're welcome.
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14:26:12kugelJdGordon: was that change to KeyboardActivity intented?
14:26:41JdGordonyes
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14:29:42wodzAlexP: Do I need to change something to include png imageviewer plugin in manual for non color targets?
14:31:29AlexPwodz: Yes, edit manual/plugins/main.tex and change the \opt(s)
14:31:43AlexPWhat is it now dependent on?
14:33:26AlexPalso edit manual/plugins/pngviewer.tex for things like buttonmaps
14:33:32AlexPAnd screenshots too :)
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14:36:37knopperhmm my brother just bought a new Sansa Fuze MP3 player, but he dont wants, to make me rockbox on it, and so im considering to buy a fuze+, but does rockbox run on this model also?
14:36:44knopperi think its very new or?
14:37:26AlchimystaHi
14:37:33AlexPknopper: No it doesn't
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14:38:01knoppermy brother has a fuze v2, i think it is also new or?
14:38:03AlchimystaPosso fare una domanda? Svilupperete rockbox per Ipod Nano 3G?
14:38:08AlexPEnglish please
14:38:09AlchimystaCan I ask a question? Will develop Rockbox for Ipod Nano 3G?
14:38:15AlexPIf someone does it
14:38:25AlexPPorts are done by interested owners, not on demand
14:38:36AlexPknopper: The Fuze v2 is supported
14:38:42knopperand how long does the fuze v2 port take?
14:38:51knoppera year?
14:39:00AlexPDo you mean how long did it take?
14:39:12knopperyes from the v1 port to the v2 port
14:39:22AlexPThat is irrelevent
14:39:27knopperbecause v2 is very new or
14:39:32AlexPNew hardware = nobody knows
14:39:42knopperi only know that v1 was released in 2008
14:39:51knopperv2 also?
14:39:58AlexPThat doesn't matter, they are different players
14:40:09AlexPThey may have the same name and case, but they are different inside
14:40:22knopperso the fuze+ too? ^^
14:40:26AlexPIt is impossible to say how long a port will take
14:40:38AlexPNobody is working on the Fuze+ to my knoweldge
14:40:46knopperah ok
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14:41:27AlchimystaI did not understand. So do not go out no version of Rockbox for iPod nano 4G?
14:41:34AlexPno
14:42:20knopperipod is irrelvant, u can buy an ipod touch, than jailbreak it, and then you can do nearly everything
14:42:30AlexPThat is just silly
14:42:30AlchimystaHo sbagliato a scrivere: Non ho capito bene. Quindi non uscirà mai la versione di rockbox per ipod nano 3g?
14:42:36AlexPEnglish only
14:42:43AlchimystaI was wrong to write: I did not understand. So do not go out no version of Rockbox for iPod nano 3G?
14:42:49AlexPno, there is not
14:43:06AlexPAll the models that work with Rockbox are listed on www.rockbox.org
14:43:28AlchimystaI know
14:43:41AlexPSo what is there not to understand?
14:43:42knopperbut i wonder why there is no port for an ipod touch, because soo many people have it
14:43:52AlexPBecause nobody has done it
14:44:02knopperso my conclusion is, they jailbreak it, and there is no more need for rockbox
14:44:02AlexPPorts are done by interested owners
14:44:28AlexPRockbox as a firmware replacement makes no sense on the touch
14:44:35AlexPRockbox as an application might do
14:44:46knopperso rockbox is not an os?
14:44:48AlexPBut a port is hard work, and is only done by those that want to use it
14:44:49knopperlinix os?
14:44:52knopperlinux
14:44:53AlexPYes, it is on OS
14:44:54AlchimystaI did not understand. But the version created for ipod nano 3g?
14:44:58AlexPNo, it is not based on linux
14:45:04knopperah ok
14:45:07AlexPAlchimysta: There is NO version for nano 3g
14:45:11knopperok than its hard ^^
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14:45:31AlchimystaMa uscirà?
14:45:34AlexPENGLISH
14:45:45BreakingHi guys....
14:45:45AlchimystaBut it will come out?
14:45:57AlexPAlchimysta: Only if someone who wants it does the work
14:46:04AlexPAlchimysta: Nobody is working on it
14:46:56BreakingWhy?
14:47:03AlexPWhy what?
14:47:22AlchimystaBreaking sei Alchimista?
14:47:27Breakingyep
14:47:38AlexPreally, for the last time - English only in here
14:47:40knopperif it is not based on linux and so a completly new os, than its hard work
14:47:44knopperyes^^
14:47:47AlexPThat is already done
14:47:55AlexPFor new ports drivers need writing
14:47:57AlexPetc.
14:48:07knopperhmm so a new port there are only small changes?
14:48:10AlexPThere is also a port of Rockbox to work as an application
14:48:16AlexPThat depends on the hardware
14:48:19knopperok
14:48:23AlexPUsually a new player = new hardware
14:48:29AlexPSo it is not easy, no
14:48:30knopperok
14:48:32AlexPRead read www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPor
14:48:36AlexPer, read www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort
14:48:39AlchimystaIs there a emulator to emulate the Game Boy Advance on Rockbox?
14:48:45AlexPNo
14:48:59Alchimystaout?
14:49:04AlexP?
14:49:21knopperahh ive red it
14:49:28knopperc and assembler ^^
14:49:30AlexPThat is how it works
14:49:33knopperthats not easy
14:49:38AlexPwell yes, it is an OS
14:50:24AlchimystaWhere can I find more games for Rockbox?
14:50:30AlexPThey are included
14:50:39BreakingThank you for your work. We look for the version for iPod Nano 3G. Hello and good day
14:50:42knopperi think these are all games already or?
14:51:03AlexPOther than that, there is a gameboy emulator, the spectrum zx emulator, the frotz port
14:51:16AlexPBreaking: Don't hold your breath, nobody is working on it
14:51:54AlchimystaWhere do I find other versions of doom?
14:52:08AlexPYou mean wad files?
14:52:35AlchimystaYes
14:52:37AlexPThe internet
14:52:50AlexPNo idea if they will work with the Doom port in Rockbox
14:53:27Alchimystaok..
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14:54:57Alchimysta<AlexP>: Che lavoro svolgi per rockbox?
14:55:06Alchimysta<AlexP>: What work plays in Rockbox?
14:55:13AlexPI asked you four times now, ENGLISH ONLY
14:55:23AlexPAnd I don't understand that question
14:56:02Alchimysta<AlexP> :Why do you always respond?
14:56:14AlexPBecause I'm trying to help you
14:56:35S_a_i_n_tAnd to tell you repeatedly that this channel is ENGLISH only
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14:56:52AlchimystaAh ok I understand
14:57:26AlchimystaBut you have to put one that responds in Italian because it is difficult to talk with the translator of google ...!
14:57:37AlexPNot that I know of
14:57:52AlexPIf someone can help you in Italian, they can PM you
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14:59:05AlchimystaThe release of Rockbox are created by whom?
14:59:12AlexPThe developers
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14:59:44AlchimystaSo anyone can create a version of Rockbox?
14:59:54AlexPIf they obey the licence, sure
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15:01:05AlchimystaOk, thanks for answering :D
15:01:13AlexPWe would prefer people to work with us and contribute, but it is open source so if people stick to the licence they can do what they want
15:01:30wodzAlexP: png viewer should depend on lcd_bitmap now
15:02:24AlexPwodz: great - the changes in manual/plugins/main.tex is trivial, the ones in manual/plugins/pngviewer.tex are slightly longer, the buttonmaps need adding
15:02:40AlexPThen screenshots are just a pain in the backside, but the sim can do them
15:03:45wodzAlexP: hmm I can see buttons defined for B&W and grey targets in pngviewer.tex
15:03:52AlexPoh, cool
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15:04:18AlexPoh yes, me too
15:04:21AlexPgood spot :)
15:04:56wodzso trivial change to plugins/main.tex and screenshots right?
15:04:57AlexPActually, there aren't any screenshots for anything
15:05:11AlexPSo don't worry about them
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15:05:17AlexPJust main.text then
15:05:21wodz:-)
15:05:26AlexP:)
15:06:08n1sscreenshots for an image viewer makes no sense :)
15:06:15AlexPthere are a couple of opts to change
15:06:20AlexPn1s: Indeed not :)
15:06:31wodzwould you be so kind to make such change - I don't feel confident with manual thing
15:06:32AlexPwodz: lcd_color for lcd_bitmap for the include
15:06:34AlexPsure
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15:07:13wodzhave to go :/
15:07:16terujpeg viewer, png viewer and bmp viewer share button map, so tables in the manual would be same.
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15:07:26AlexPNot in the manual
15:07:36AlexPthey are seperate tex files
15:08:48pixelmathey could share one extra buttontable file which could be linked from pngviewer.tex (or whatever it is called)
15:09:01AlexPyep, but they don't currently :)
15:10:17pixelmawould be nice probably - same reason I split out the keymaps from the main platform files (e.g. before all Ipods that share same keypad defined their own and would have needed editing a few different files for one change
15:10:40pixelmaif the c code is shared...
15:10:48AlexPyep, would be goo
15:10:49AlexPd
15:11:29pixelmado we have a Mr.ManualSomeone? ;)
15:12:13AlexPhehe :)
15:12:35AlexPWe do have a ManualToDo or somesuch
15:12:58pixelmatrue but when was it last changed? Must be aaaages ago
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15:25:35pixelmaAlexP: did you also have a look at the disktidy patch which LambdaCalculus committed before? I find the use of '*' a bit too much
15:25:48AlexPI'm just looking now
15:26:05AlexPThere is also a "the" not capitalised after a full stop
15:26:23pixelmain the manual part. I know teru asked before and LambdaCalculus said he'd have a look
15:26:30AlexPyeah, manual part
15:27:50AlexPI'm rewriting a bit now
15:30:12AlexPalso US spelling :)
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15:31:38S_a_i_n_tme finds the UK manual/US source bloody confusing...
15:31:43S_a_i_n_t+/
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15:34:32AlexPpixelma: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/283847/
15:34:49AlexPS_a_i_n_t: I don't see why - US source code is standard, so we use that
15:35:10AlexPWe chose to use UK spelling for the manual/user facing stuff
15:35:28AlexPWe have to suffer all the bloody time with US spelling, so for once they can do likewise :)
15:36:23S_a_i_n_tIt's just the mix of the two I find weird...should flip a coin for one or the other ;)
15:36:35S_a_i_n_t(a loaded one, so UK wins ;p)
15:36:38AlexPNo, as source isn't going to change
15:36:59AlexPthere isn't really a choice there
15:37:35AlexPYou wouldn't find e.g. English source code and French UI weird, think of it like that
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15:42:55pixelmaAlexP: sounds nicer but I'm not sure about the "OS" thing getting lost - if you know th plugin a bit, you know that there are predefined choices for cleaning Windows, Mac or some Linux filebrowser specific files and folders. It wasn't very descriptive before either though, so I guess leaving it to the user to see while trying is enough
15:43:30AlexPpixelma: I mainly removed that as "OS's" is wrong and "OSs" looks funny
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15:43:45pixelmaah, I see that it is in the menu item's description
15:44:00n1sOperating systems?
15:44:10AlexPyes, it could be expanded
15:44:13pixelmaAlexP: so yeah, no objections :)
15:44:51AlexPalso, it isn't just OS files
15:44:58AlexPI'm not fussed one way or the other :)
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16:25:52BiontHello! I'm back with some fresh error messages that occur while trying to compile for android
16:27:08Biontoh wait, let me try something first
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16:35:03Biontalright... http://pastebin.com/7pMGLnax
16:35:16Biontany idea what I need to do?
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16:36:04gevaertsinstall a java compiler, possibly?
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16:36:49kugelBiont: you should have a java compiler if you followed the installation guide for the sdk
16:38:00kugelhm, it seems RaaAoA got a lot more user friendly just today
16:38:55Bionthm...I didn't read about that anywhere
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16:41:56kugelBiont: if you have debian/ubuntu/mind do sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk
16:42:33Biontthank you
16:42:41CIA-8r28422 build result: All green
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16:44:55BiontI can't believe it! I just compiled rockbox :D
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17:04:23kugeloh iap makes firmware->apps calls
17:04:55kugelmaybe not
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17:08:36kugeliap seems to be an ideal candidate for the multimedia buttons
17:09:01kugelthe buttons are apparently currently used for the action system, but it's probably a lot more useful to use them as multimedia buttons
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17:12:34kugelperhaps it would be more useful on other devices with a remote as well, although I can imagine that on remotes with a display you want to use the buttons in the classic way
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17:22:35CIA-8New commit by 03kugel (r28423): Default to absolute point mode on RaaA and Onda targets. Cowon D2 and MRobe 500 stick to grid mode for now.
17:24:17CIA-8r28423 build result: All green
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17:25:26webguest13Why isn't the new multimedia code protected by #ifdef?
17:25:40webguest13kugel: ^^
17:25:45kugelwhere?
17:26:22webguest13In the .c files
17:26:40kugelwhich?
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17:27:47webguest13kugel: menu.c
17:28:55kugelit's ifdeffed in misc, in the other places it's too minor to obfuscate the code with #ifdefs
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17:30:15webguest13It's not much, but it's a bit weird to see the code with HANG_UP in the "simple" builds. But I agree that it may be isn't worth the hassle
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17:40:46Bionttest
17:41:05Biont??
17:41:38Biontokay my connection seems to be acting up :/
17:42:06Bionthttp://pastebin.com/SRbFDe0p I don't know if this got through
17:44:23kugelBiont: my bad
17:44:31kugelI wonder why the build system didn't catch that
17:44:37Biontokay
17:45:16CIA-8New commit by 03kugel (r28424): Fix red. Why did it go unnoticed through the build system?
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17:46:55kugelI think we could start handing out android builds soon
17:46:58CIA-8r28424 build result: All green
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17:47:19Biontthat would be great XD
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17:50:20preglowi sure want a new one :>
17:50:45Biontcan't wait to test that kinetic scrolling
17:50:49preglowindeed
17:50:52preglowand absolute mdoe
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17:50:57preglowgrid mode made me a bit crazier than usual
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17:51:56pixelmayou could have switched to absolute point before
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17:56:35hstammlerjHi there!
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17:59:18hstammlerjCan anybody help me by inserting some data to the wiki? I've tested an ipod accessory and would like to share the data...
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18:00:34kugelpreglow: I put new builds up
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18:01:30AlchimystaHello
18:01:43pixelmahstammlerj: did you already register (which wiki name then) and ask for write access?
18:02:15AlchimystaI would have to ask yourself one question: Is there a 'NES emulator for Rockbox?
18:02:21AlexPno
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18:02:27Alchimystano?
18:02:31AlexPAlchimysta: In future, please check the manual
18:02:41AlchimystaAh ok , excuse me...
18:03:01hstammlerjpixelma: I tried, but the page only refreshs by clicking register, seems there is something going wrong... so my idea was to give the data somebody who has access...
18:03:42AlchimystaBut come out the other emulators for Rockbox?
18:04:45AlexPAlchimysta: I don't understand the question
18:05:57AlchimystaIn the future, create new emulators for Rockbox?
18:06:23AlexPAnyone can work on anything they want
18:06:26preglowpixelma: interesting :>
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18:06:31preglowkugel: sweet, i'll try em out
18:06:37AlexPAlchimysta: Developers just work on what they are interested in
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18:07:04AlexPAlchimysta: However more recent consoles will be difficult - daps have very limited resources
18:07:29kugelthere's a patch for nes emulator but it has license problems
18:08:41AlchimystaThe NES console in 1990
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18:08:59AlexPyes, but emulation is very very hardware intensive
18:09:08AlexPAnyway, NES should just about be possible
18:10:30Alchimysta<kugel>: What patch?
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18:12:35kugelAlchimysta: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2911
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18:13:44cormonWhat is the best device to rockbox with the most features?
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18:16:22AlchimystaWhat happened to the project of 'NES emulator?
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18:17:09hstammlerjseems there is nobody to catch the info?
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18:18:14soapcormon, there is no one device with the most features.
18:18:18AlexPcormon: All targets have all features that the hardware supports
18:18:22AlexP(more or less)
18:18:46cormonok
18:18:49soapcormon, http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide
18:19:50AlexPalthough that is incomplete these days
18:20:00soaphstammlerj, if you wish to email me the info, just make sure to give me data for every table column. hstammlerj@cleansoap.org
18:20:18soapit's a wiki, fix it AlexP!
18:21:16hstammlerjsoap: Thank you very much, you'll have mail in some minutes. :-)
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18:21:35AlexPsoap: thanks :)
18:23:25Alchimystaas that between a song and another, when I change, there's a space of 2-3 seconds?
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18:26:27Alchimystaas that between a song and another, when I change song, there's a space of 2-3 seconds?
18:26:49AlexPAlchimysta: Please don't repeat your question, wait for someone to answer
18:27:14AlexPI take it you mean that when you skip song, there is a pause?
18:27:19AlexPWhat player, what codec?
18:28:01AlchimystaMp3
18:28:11Alchimystasansa Fuze
18:28:30hstammlerjHave a nice day, I appreciate your work.
18:28:49soaphm GAH
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18:29:08soaphstammlerj, I got your email. Did you have accessory power turned on?
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18:30:08AlchimystaNever mind ..
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18:34:09AlchimystaWhere can I download the NES emulator for Rockbox? I have read around the internet that have downloaded it ..
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18:34:42AlexPAlchimysta: You can't, it is an old patch
18:35:05AlexPAlchimysta: You need to set up a build environment, patch the source code, maybe fix the patch, then compile rockbox
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18:36:02AlchimystaI am not able .. I'll wait for someone to do these things ..
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18:40:10soapAlchimysta, considering the most recent work on that plugin is almost a year old, I don't think it is going out on a limb to say it will not compile without some work. So there is very little incentive for someone who hasn't cared enough to already do this to now do it. If you are interested you are much more likely to receive help with your efforts than someone to come out of the blue and do it for you.
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19:00:54AlchimystaWhat is this page? http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ConsoleEmulators
19:02:41evilnickAlchimysta: It's a wiki page that "lists various game systems and emulators to help with the porting to rockbox."
19:05:48Alchimystathe translator translates badly, you can rewrite it in simpler words?
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19:06:49evilnickIt shows projects that *could* one day maybe become part of Rockbox. Provided that a developer is interested enough
19:07:24evilnicki.e. emulators for PCs that are under compatible licenses and written in C (I think)
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19:08:31Alchimystaevilnick:thanks for your kindness
19:12:01AlchimystaDoes anyone speak Italian?
19:16:36Alchimysta...
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19:36:04kugelpreglow: how's it?
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20:02:25MTeshello
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20:02:57MTesAnyone available?
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20:04:00krazykitin general, it's best to just ask the question then wait patiently
20:04:10MTesI don't have that kinda time
20:04:13MTeslol
20:04:14MTessorry
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20:04:38krazykitunfortunately, irc doesn't stand for instant reply chat. maybe ask on the mailing list?
20:04:57evilnickTry asking anyway, and if anyone does know then they'll reply
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20:05:09MTesI was curious if rockboxing an ipod would affect how it behaves with things like iPod ready car sterios and such
20:05:30MTesor docks
20:05:32AlexPyes
20:05:38AlexPIt could do
20:05:41MTesand to what degree
20:05:55AlexPIt depends how they interact
20:06:09evilnickIn the OF it won't affect it at all, in Rockbox things might or might not work depending on how much of the Ipod Accessory Protocol is used
20:06:30MTesand if it does will I be able to un-rockbox the player
20:06:32AlexPOr if it is just MSC, and if it does stupid thing dependent on USB IDs
20:06:42evilnickRemember that Rockbox is dual-boot on the iPods so reverting to the Original Firmware is trivial
20:06:43AlexPMTes: Yes, you can uninstll, but Rockbox does dual boot
20:06:49AlexPMTes: Please read the manual
20:06:51MTesoh
20:06:57MTessweet I didnt know that it was dualbootr
20:07:02MTesdualboot**
20:07:05AlexPThat's what the manual is for
20:07:09AlexPTo tell you stuff
20:07:14MTesyeah well
20:07:19MTesthanks guys
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20:46:06tcm1998hi all
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20:59:38Biontkinetic scrolling is awesome :)
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21:02:05tcm1998do you mean that the device takes the speed your finger goes over the screen in account?
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21:02:28tcm1998like on the iphone?
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21:09:06preglowkugel: theme seems to be broken in the new build, or do i need to do something fancy?
21:09:19kugeldefine broken
21:09:25preglowit's the default one
21:09:28preglowtiny, tiny font
21:09:39preglowimpossible to hit any menu items
21:09:49kugel320x480?
21:10:05preglowaye
21:10:06preglowhtc legend
21:11:05kugelwhat do you have in /sdcard/rockbox?
21:11:37preglowsec, gotta get my cable
21:11:46kugelthe default font (27-Adobe-..) is in the apk, but if you have a fonts folder in /sdcard/rockbox which doesn't have that font rockbox won'tsee it
21:11:58kugelno filebrowser app? :)
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21:12:18preglowhaha, i do have one
21:12:22preglowbut touch is broken because of the font
21:12:28preglowand the trackball thing is impossible to use
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21:12:55kugelhit the home button to get out
21:13:15preglowjust gotta set the browser to view all files
21:13:35Bionttcm1998: yep
21:13:47preglowkugel: practically nothing in there
21:14:03preglowkugel: never needed to zip anything to it before, just assumed i didn't have to now either
21:14:04tcm1998in that case, I agree, it's a pretty cool feature
21:14:24tcm1998IF it works propery
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21:14:39kugelpreglow: I don't know what went wrong for you, but I suggest uninstalling, deleting /sdcard/rockbox, then reinstalling
21:14:52preglowwill do
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21:14:58kugelthe apk I uploaded works fine on my legend
21:14:59tcm1998on my archos tablet, it often ignores my movements :(
21:15:54BiontI have yet to find a longer list to scroll through, but it works fine for me. The only thing I niticed is that it immediately stops moving if I move my finger over the edge of the screen
21:16:21tcm1998hmm, thats' weird
21:16:41preglowkugel: talking http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/rockbox/rockbox-320x480.apk still, yeash?
21:16:47kugelyes
21:17:00preglowstill the same
21:17:21preglowdeleted the rockbox folder from within rockbox, uninstalled and reinstalled
21:17:24*kugel tries the same procedure
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21:19:15kugelpreglow: WFM
21:19:37preglowmeaning? :>
21:19:41kugelworks for me
21:19:45preglowwonderful
21:19:48kugelwhat's the md5sum of your apk?
21:20:06preglowi'll try to work again
21:20:10pregloweh
21:20:13preglowi'll try to download again
21:22:18Biontis there supposed to be more in the rockbox folder than a bunch of files?
21:22:19preglowsame shit
21:22:25preglowi'll get the cable
21:23:37preglow93a3017918e28d95a544df7df88b12b6 *rockbox-320x480.apk
21:23:51kugelsame here
21:24:36preglowbut how does the android package work? there's no resources in it i can see, just the rb binary
21:24:50kugelthere's libmisc.so
21:24:58kugelthat's rockbox.zip with a different name
21:25:05preglownice :>
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21:25:43preglownothing i can zip by hand to /rockbox?
21:26:06preglowit looks exactly like that is what i can do :>
21:26:46kugelyou can download the font zip and extract it to /sdcard/rockbox
21:27:04preglowunzipping libmisc.so worked
21:27:53preglowkinetic scrolling seems nice, it probably be even more kinetic, to match android closer
21:28:08preglowsome more inertia
21:28:43preglowhm, it's actually not bad at all
21:29:30preglowzomg, absolute seeking seekbar
21:29:34kugelunzipping libmisc.so to /sdcard/rockbox will not work
21:29:35preglowi gotta learn android coding
21:29:40preglowkugel: amazingly, it did
21:29:50kugelbut you won't be able to play music
21:29:55preglowi am as we speak
21:30:25kugelthen the unzipping to the internal storage worked and the issue that the theme doesn't work is even mroe stranger
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21:30:36kugelis, by any chance, your internal rom full?
21:30:43preglowhm
21:30:50preglowdon't think so, but will check
21:31:08preglowoh sweet god, can't they give us froyo soon
21:31:19kugelget cyanogenmod :)
21:31:39kugel(totally worth it)
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21:32:03preglowgot 84 megs left internal
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21:32:48kugelwith a trick you can browse the internal folder of rockbox, maybe you can do it to see if cabbiev2 was extracted properly
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21:33:24kugelset something as "Start filebrowser here", then edit config.cfg to let it point to /data/data/org.rockbox/
21:34:28kugelbtw, what did you mean with "zomg, absolute seeking seekbar"?
21:34:46kugelthe progressbar in the wps?
21:35:16preglowyea :>
21:35:33preglowwonderful, phone rebooted
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21:36:30saratogabluebrother: could you change the rockbox utility text a little? I dislike the bold message saying that releases are recommended, perhaps just saying that releases are well tested and linking to the release notes would be better?
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21:37:21preglowkugel: what am i looking for?
21:37:40kugelwhat do you mean?
21:37:51kugeldo you see the internal rockbox folder?
21:37:55preglowyes
21:38:16preglowapp_rockbox/ and lib/ is all i see
21:38:20kugelapp_rockbox/rockbox/ has the unzipped libmisc.so
21:38:30preglowit's got a dir named codecs/
21:38:33preglowwhich is empty :>
21:38:47kugelthat can't be :\
21:39:10kugelthe codecs are loaded from there. you couldn't play music
21:39:23preglowwait a sec, show files reset itself to supported
21:39:43preglowyeah, codecs are here
21:39:50preglowand database.ignore, and viewers.config
21:39:54preglowthat's it for rockbox/
21:40:09pregloworg.rockbox/lib constains libmisc.so and librockbox.so
21:40:13kugeland you can't load them from the sdcard since that's mounted with noexec
21:40:29kugelah ok
21:40:53kugelany themes, wps, fonts directories?
21:41:18preglownah, what i mentioned is it
21:41:35kugelso codecs are being extracted, but the themes not?
21:41:57kugelI have no fking idea what's going on there
21:42:14pregloworg.rockbox/ has app_rockbox/ in it, which contains rockbox/, which contains codecs/* and database.ignore and viewers.config
21:42:18preglowthat's it
21:42:39preglowapart from org.rockbox/lib which contains the usual suspects
21:42:44kugellibmisc.so has clearly more files in it
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21:42:51preglowyep, i've opened it to check
21:42:57preglowand also extracted it, for that matter
21:44:01kugelwhat you could do is uninstalling again, but then hooking up adb logcat to see if it reports some error during extraction
21:44:18kugel(upon first start after reinstalling)
21:44:33kugelbut if you got the codecs and libmisc.so on the sdcard it should work fine for now
21:44:52kugelthe codecs is the only thing that must go into the internal rom
21:45:40preglowexplain how to do the adb logcat business and i'm game
21:45:52preglowi have a beer handy in case it gets frustrating :>
21:46:00kugelyou need the sdk, the adb tool is in the tools folder
21:46:07preglowyep, got that
21:46:32preglowneed to enable usb debugging?
21:46:45kugelyou need to you need to execute "adb devices" with root before otherwise it won't see the legend
21:46:52kugelyes
21:47:57Biontdid I get that right? fonts and themes can be added by putting them into sdcard/rockbox?
21:48:22kugelbefore you start rockbox for the first time do "adb logcat | grep -i Rockbox", then it should print some debug stuff
21:48:34kugelBiont: yes you did
21:48:53kugelbut if you do it won't see the default theme anymore so be careful :)
21:49:02kugel(we need to find a solution for this)
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21:49:58Biont?? so only the themes on the sdcard will show up?
21:50:19kugelright
21:50:56preglowkugel: ok, so i do "adb devices", install rockbox, do "adb logcat", check for rockbox entries, ok?
21:51:26Biontokay, I guess I can live with that. I just want to get back to theming soon.
21:51:37kugelpreglow: yes
21:51:51kugelcheck if adb devices really shows some device
21:51:54preglowit does
21:52:02preglowbut adb logcat made my vim nonresponsive :/
21:52:04preglowguess i should reboot
21:55:21preglowhmm
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21:55:24preglowthings seem different now
21:55:31preglowkugel: it worked now :/
21:55:48preglowbut rockbox also didn't crash on first launch after install now
21:55:53preglowi guess that figures into it :P
21:56:09preglowit now instead said "rockbox is loading" or something for a while
21:56:36kugelit's supposed to do that
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21:56:56kugelunzipping takes a while
21:57:02preglowyeah, i figured
21:57:14preglowearlier, android reported rockbox had crashed pretty fast after installing
21:57:40michael_cheahso with 3.7 the Fuze v2 is considered "stable"?
21:57:45michael_cheahdoes the USB works?
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21:58:15kugelpreglow: uhm that you could've given that info earlier
21:58:45preglowhow was i supposed to know rockbox should autostart and init after installing?
21:59:11kugelit is not
21:59:18preglowthen surprise, it does
21:59:59kugelno app auto starts after installing
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22:00:15kugelthere seems to be strange things happening on your phone
22:00:24preglowit's a stock install
22:00:30preglowrecently reset
22:00:58preglowi installed it via the net browser, that might autostart it
22:01:10kugeldid logcat report something that looks like an error?
22:01:14preglowlogcat hangs
22:01:25kugel:\
22:01:30preglownah, wait, it didn't
22:01:36preglowbroken buffering
22:01:47saratogamichael_cheah: read the release notes
22:01:54kugelyea it can kind of overflow
22:02:22preglowkugel: just a bunch of extracting msgs
22:02:28preglowall seems normal
22:02:41kugelthen I guess extracting worked this time
22:02:51michael_cheahsaratoga: well, no mention of USB on v2 as far as i can see
22:02:53preglowany fancy code involved in that?
22:02:53michael_cheah:(
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22:03:20kugelno, not really
22:03:23michael_cheahoh sorry it's under Known Bugs
22:03:33kugeljust java's inbuilt zip support
22:03:37preglowoh well, i'll check the logs next time it happens
22:04:16preglowbtw, how to get to the root menu from the file browser without pressing back ten times?
22:05:22kugelhit the (tiny) rockbox icon at the top left or long press the back button
22:05:41kugeloh long press doesn't work
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22:05:48kugelwe need bigger icons anyway
22:06:01preglowdon't see a rockbox icon
22:06:14kugelwe could have menu go to the main menu instead of context menu
22:06:23preglowi think that makes more sense
22:06:33preglowlong press something for context feels more right
22:06:41preglowlong press screen, probably
22:06:49kugelmeh, sorry. I mean the icon on the left of the menu title (what's a rockbox icon in the main menu)
22:07:07kugelbut it's hard to hit, so no there's no easier way :)
22:07:20kugellong press screen already works
22:07:27kugelfor context menu
22:07:38preglowah, yes it does, kinda exptected it to pop up before i released
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22:09:36CIA-8New commit by 03wodz (r28425): Separate mas35xx lowlevel stuff. Move SH specific bits to target tree. FS #11189 by me.
22:10:12preglowcyanogenmod looks interesting anyway
22:10:25kugelI installed it, the htc bug was too much for me
22:11:00Biontwhat is the htc bug?
22:11:02preglowyeah, it's goddamn annoying
22:11:09preglowtry to background rockbox :>
22:11:37kugelwith launcher pro you can get most of the htc widgets back (but it costs $2). for the rest there are pretty damn good other alternatives
22:11:54kugel(if you like sense, as I do :))
22:12:03CIA-8r28425 build result: 0 errors, 3 warnings (wodz committed)
22:12:21Biontworks for me, but I'm running the wildpuzzle rom
22:12:23wodzhmm
22:12:50kugelBiont: grabbing cpu power when in background doesn't work on htc phones
22:12:57preglowsense is pretty ok, but don't care too much
22:13:07preglowonly thing i need i pretty much the calendar app :>
22:14:21Bionthm well playback doesn't seem to be affected if rb is in background
22:14:49kugelthe stock calendar app is ok. what sucks is the agenda widget (which shows the upcoming events), but the android agenda widget (on the market) is a great replacement
22:15:36wodzkugel: have you tried clang for arm to build android RaaA?
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22:15:45kugelno
22:16:21kugelI have never tried clang at all :)
22:16:42preglowit's pretty sweet
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22:16:49preglowpromising project as a whole
22:16:56Biontbtw. is switching between portrait and landscape somewhere on the horizon?
22:17:11wodzkugel: apple use it to compile stuff for iOS so I think it may be pretty well optimizing on arm v6
22:17:14BiontI guess that will make the theme system pretty interesting
22:18:10kugelthe theme system is what's blocking any dynamic screen resolution stuff
22:18:33preglowwe pretty much need separate wpses for each mode
22:18:41preglowtoo different for dynamic resizing to work
22:21:15Bionthm well separate wps would be okay as long as lists and AA get rotated properly :P
22:21:38kugelBiont: rockbox will work in landscape, you just need to compile it, change the AndroidManifest.xml and port cabbiev2
22:22:32kugelpatches for a flexible theme engine is welcome of course :)
22:23:08CIA-8New commit by 03wodz (r28426): fix yellow
22:23:30preglowkugel: using a calendar widget is a good idea :D
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22:24:16kugelthere's nothing special about the sense calendar app really
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22:25:18CIA-8r28426 build result: All green
22:25:45wodz\o/
22:26:16wodznow codebase is a little bit cleaner :-)
22:26:53kugelwodz: nice cleanup!
22:27:19kugelmp3_playback.c and sound.c bugged me also
22:28:37wodzthere are still some calls to mas stuff left but I wanted this to be commited before something break my patch :-)
22:30:06kugelif like doing this kind of work, look at apps/debug_menu.c, it also screams for moving lots of stuff into the target tree :)
22:31:24kugelpreglow: the procedure for installing custom roms on the legend isn't trivial but I can only recommend doing it
22:32:26wodzkugel: hehe I have local branch where I started to clean up debug_menu.c but this is tremendous work
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22:33:30kugeli have started with sh sometime but I lost interest
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22:37:55wodzkugel: Refactoring debug_menu.c is really huge task. I think it may be easier to do it in small steps. For example moving GPIO stuff to target tree is fairly trivial.
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22:52:50CIA-8New commit by 03wodz (r28427): fix make VERSION=x.y to work again
22:54:52CIA-8r28427 build result: All green
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22:56:41JdGordonso much for accepting the voting consensus....
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22:57:05wodz?
22:57:39JdGordonnot you :)
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22:59:03wodzyou mean absolute mode went in for anything but d2 and mrobe500?
22:59:06kugelthe vote was for the other targets which I didn't touch
22:59:37wodzhmm I understood it other way round.
22:59:51kugelwhat to do about them was the whole point of the discussion, not what to do about the ones I changed
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23:00:35JdGordonno, I made it very clear i was staying no while it was possible to get stuck in any screen... so android maybe, pretty sure the onda has no hardware buttons so it can get stuck
23:00:50wodzkugel: My understanding of the discussion was that general issues should be resolved BEFORE commit
23:00:59kugel+1 from the maintainer was enough for me
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23:02:24saratogai don't think potential issues with an unusable port are a big deal, particularly if the port's developers are onboard
23:03:07kugelthat RaaA would be changed was clear from the beginning, the discussion was what to do about the other touchscreens (whether to just force absolute point to get people fix the remaining issues or do it differently)
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23:08:30wodzkugel: I appreciate your work but personally I don't like the way you force your solution
23:09:09kugelI didn't force my solution, I didn't even apply it
23:09:34kugelJdGordon: I have two patches for the yesno screen, perhaps you want to have a look?
23:10:11kugelthe one is using wakeup_wait() instead of polling for the activity result, the other is using the localized yes/no text for the buttons
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23:13:14JdGordonput them on fs, im off to work
23:13:44wodzkugel: shouldn't FS #11686 be closed?
23:13:54kugelright, thanks
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23:19:22kugelJdGordon: I noticed if I click cancel in the keyboard widget it doesn't actually cancel
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23:20:30pixelmaI wondered about the commit too btw. and understood the discussion like there still have to issues to be solved for all touchscreen targets
23:21:11saratogais there an atrac3 test sample somewhere?
23:21:11pixelmabut I didn't see myself in a position to comment on it much because I don't have a touchscreen target
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23:23:50*pixelma wonders if the "may" in kugel's mail is a typo that makes the whole thing sound even more unfriendlly
23:24:32kugelprobably
23:25:01pixelma? You don't know if it should have been a "maybe"
23:25:24preglowprobably not :Z
23:26:13BagderI think some of our regulars should consider their tone on the ML more often
23:26:27kugelno, not a typo, but it wasn't my intention to be unfriendly. I've stated several times in the thread that I believe that nothing will be done for the issues in question if they're left untouched
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23:26:51Bagderand I agree with the action, I think it was the correct one
23:26:52pixelmawith the "may" it sounds like a bad wish
23:27:18preglowBagder: yeah, threads seem to end up in an unfriendly tone pretty quick
23:27:21kugelI definitely don't wish it
23:27:23pixelmato my understanding
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23:27:51preglowbut that seems to be the big internet trend for the last 10 years, so
23:28:51kugelbut yea, I see that it wasn't worded very nicely
23:29:15preglowkugel: is the background scheduler thing a htc bug or a 2.1 bug?
23:29:34kugelI'm pretty sure it's htc specific
23:30:03kugelthere's a bug report on android's tracker where only htc users complain
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