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#rockbox log for 2010-11-10

00:00:35saratogaBuschel: ping
00:00:50saratoga46.59 for SVN, vs. 34.62 for the patched version :)
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00:01:19Buschelwow
00:01:20saratogaand i think theres still some stalls in the asm that can be improved
00:01:50Buschel+26%
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00:02:57saratogai guess i should also check for any artifacts too since the precision is reduced a bit
00:04:08Buschelyes, but if the precision is the same than with the c-implementation, I have measured it and placed this information in yur fs-entry. the results were acceptable...
00:04:28saratogayes it should be the same
00:04:36saratogahow much rounding error was there?
00:04:51Buschelyou should of course add some rounding to the coefs instead of just truncating the least 16 bit −− like done in my interim patch
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00:05:13BuschelFrom FS #11709: "Difference to svn decoding is max +/-4 of +/-32768 (~ -78 dB), and average ~ -110 dB. This is quite few."
00:05:53saratogaso better then 16 bits precision
00:05:55saratoganot bad
00:05:59Buschelthis was including rounding instead of truncation: win = (s + (1<<15))>>16
00:06:20saratogaIIRC the Sony reference ATRAC3 decoder is said to do less then that
00:07:03saratogado you remember how scheduling works on ARM11?
00:07:17Buschelno, sorry.
00:07:27saratogai think it has a 64 bit load/store so the ldmia r1!, {r6, r7} lines should take a single cycle if in cache
00:07:39saratogabut i bet theres a pipeline stall because I try to use them on the next cycle
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00:09:31saratogai can use r10 right?
00:09:37Buschelyes
00:09:49Buschelgotta leave now, it's getting late here :)
00:10:05saratogasure
00:10:07saratoganight
00:10:21Buschelsee you!
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00:14:41saratogahuh divide by zero when i try to use r10
00:14:43saratogai wonder whats wrong
00:15:00Guest91383Hello
00:16:11bertrikhm, the hdd1630 seems to spend 10% of its time doing an udelay to generate a key click
00:17:11bertrikoh wait, only if it's clicking of course
00:17:23saratogaoh huh i guess i should stack r10 if i overwrite it :(
00:17:40Guest91383I'm having a volume problem with the fuzev2. If the volume goes up to high, it starts skipping/stuttering. Lower the volume and it goes away. Is this a common problem? And is there any way I can fix it?
00:18:29bertrikNo, it's not a common problem as far as I know
00:18:34saratogayou mean it clips if you go above 0 dB?
00:18:53Guest91383the volume threshold seems to be about -14
00:19:02bertrikIt could be some kind of headphone short circuit detection
00:19:07saratogait should start clipping at 0 dB
00:19:52Guest91383hmm... well as soon as it goes from -14 to -13, it starts. So I should try different headphones then?
00:21:17 Part toffe82
00:21:56Guest91383weird, different headphones and it now starts from -11 to -10.
00:22:08saratogawhich revision are you running?
00:23:48Guest91383I just used the installer today. And the stuttering kicked back in at -11
00:24:12Guest91383as for revision.... a bit over my head....
00:26:16pixelmadid you chose to install the release (3.7) or a "current build"?
00:26:37Guest913833.7, all done automatically
00:27:16saratogathen you're running 3.7
00:28:04pixelmado you have the equaliser enabled?
00:28:08Guest91383ah, my noobiness is shining bright.
00:28:15saratogahow do I check for ARMv5E or higher?
00:28:32Guest91383I tried with the equalizer on and off.
00:29:05Guest91383I mainly was concerned that others might have been having the same problem. If not, then there's a really good chance it's the player itself. It's a refurb from newegg.
00:29:06bertrikThe equalizer could cause distortion but never skipping AFAIK
00:29:26gevaertsDoes it work properly in the original firmware?
00:29:47Guest91383I installed rockbox as soon as I made sure it turned on. I'll check really quick.
00:30:36saratoga#elif defined(CPU_ARM) && (ARM_ARCH >= 5)
00:30:40saratoganice
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00:31:17Guest91383crap, I wasted your time. Yeah, it's the player... sorry about that
00:32:35Guest91383Thanks for your time, off to newegg support
00:32:41gevaertsGood luck!
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01:10:23saratogaupdated this: FS #11709 - ARMv5E iQMF for libatrac
01:10:36saratogafeel free to let me know if anything breaks on coldfire
01:10:48saratoga(don't see how it would though)
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01:24:14saratogaadding extra cycles between loads and register accesses has only a very small effect on arm9e
01:24:22saratogai suppose the pipeline is too small for stalls to matter much
01:34:02saratogais there some way to ensure that a buffer is double word aligned?
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01:42:23checkercan i format gigabeat F then simply put ".rockbox" folder on root level?
01:44:50krazykitno, you need the bootloader and at least the dummy firmware files
01:46:01saratogaanyone with a beast available to test something?
01:49:57saratogaok i have to run, but I'd love to see Beast benchmarks for the stock decoder, the v7 patch and the v8 patch here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11709
01:50:07saratogatheres a test file linked in case you don't have atrac3 files handy :)
01:51:04saratoganow to figure out how to get such a huge speedup for mp3 . . .
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06:30:30S00rowI have a failure failure for RaaA in svn current:LD librockbox.so ... icon.o ... icon.c(.text.load_icons+0x9c): undefined reference to 'get_user_file_path'
06:31:31S00rows/failure/link/
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06:49:00JdGordon|S00row: sdl or android?
06:50:27S00rowAndroid
06:54:04JdGordon|clean svn?
06:54:15S00rowJdGordon|: Just did a clean rebuild and checked the config options - def Android. 480x800 and Normal
06:54:50JdGordon|thats slightly messed up.. does icon.c have #include "rbpaths.h" ?
06:54:50S00rowsvn update didn't complain. How would i check that svn is clean?
06:55:10S_a_i_n_tsvn stat
06:55:28S_a_i_n_tif that complains about anything, do "svn revert -R ."
06:55:32S00rowno #include "rbpaths.h"
06:55:45JdGordon|add it then
06:55:53JdGordon|are there any compile warnings?
06:56:55S00rowThere were a couple
06:57:19S00rowLooks like i had the remnants of a previous manually added patch. Reverted and building again now
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07:01:06S00rowOops... sorry about that. Building fine
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08:16:07CIA-7New commit by 03Buschel (r28546): Introduce macros to ARM asm atrac3 filterbank for better readability.
08:16:47amiconnZagor: ping
08:17:04Zagoryes?
08:17:38amiconnI have some mpeg layer 1 and layer 2 testfiles for inclusion in http://download.rockbox.org/test_files/
08:17:44CIA-7r28546 build result: All green
08:17:57Zagoramiconn: ok
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08:29:20wodzBagder: ping
08:31:17wodzZagor: ping
08:31:28Zagoryes?
08:33:11wodzI asked Badger a few times but he seems to forget, could you upload mkmpioboot binaries to download server? http://www.datafilehost.com/download-63e5b4f1.html (windows) http://www.datafilehost.com/download-0118a6e2.html.(linux x86)
08:33:21wodzZagor, ^
08:34:52Zagorshould I put them in "utils"?
08:35:43wodzhmm I think other such tools are put in appropriate bootloader dir
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08:36:17Zagorindeed. I'll do that then.
08:37:20wodzbtw. I think bootloader for mpio should be put in v1.0 subdir
08:38:02wodzI plan to release v2 in the future with graphics for battery charging and bootloader USB mode
08:39:20Zagorgenerally we only keep the latest bootloader on download.rockbox.org. I'm not sure why some ports have multiple versions.
08:40:28Bagderwe only have that for safety, ability to step back
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08:40:37Bagderbut we shouldn't need to keep any particular history
08:41:06wodzok no problem than
08:41:46Zagorwodz: bootloader/mpio/mkmpioboot added
08:43:55wodzwin32 subdir seems to be empty
08:46:03Zagorthe mirrors sometimes update in mysterious ways. give it a little time.
08:46:58wodzok thanks
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08:56:58wodzZagor: something strange is happening - I get 404 or empty dir in random order
08:57:20Zagorthat's because we have several mirrors and they are not updated yet
08:57:38Zagoreach request can be handled by different mirrors
08:58:04wodznow I understand
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09:09:56S_a_i_n_tgah! cat typing ^ :/
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09:14:22CIA-7New commit by 03wodz (r28547): MPIO manual - add link to mkmpioboot binary
09:16:01CIA-7r28547 build result: All green
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09:49:57wodzpixelma, S_a_i_n_t: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O08JS9jy9kA
09:51:16wodzpixelma, S_a_i_n_t: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUe9ocqEjBM
09:51:43wodzthe animation is smooth actually the jumps comes from my capture program
09:54:19S_a_i_n_tI think mine fills the screen a bit better...the perhaps (just perhaps ;)) I'm biassed.
09:54:29S_a_i_n_ts/the/though/
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09:56:07wodzhonestly I like the size of pixelma's version and overall look of yours
09:56:25S_a_i_n_tI can scale it.
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10:03:05wodzS_a_i_n_t: http://yfrog.com/45sizecompj <- comparision with USB logo size
10:04:47wodzand the 'fill area' has to have even width because the filling image is 2pix width
10:06:05S_a_i_n_tHmmm...ok, so the internal width of the battery need be /2 ?
10:06:19pixelmawodz: there is a slightly smaller greyscale USB logo in the apps/bitmaps/remote_native, I guess I'd prefer that to something that fills the complete screen (width)
10:06:40S_a_i_n_tpixelma: Read my mind.
10:06:48wodzpixelma: ok I'll look at it
10:06:57S_a_i_n_tI was just going to say I don;t really like the way the USB logo fills the screen.
10:07:59S_a_i_n_tverry messy desktop btw wodz ;p
10:08:05S_a_i_n_t-r
10:09:09wodzS_a_i_n_t: not at all - on the left side there are my icons on the right side my wife's. The windows fills empty space on this screenshot :-)
10:09:39S_a_i_n_tI just have the recycle bin on mine ;)
10:09:43pixelmaI guess I'm biased too but I like my battery icon better overall - it is the same style as the USB logo and doesn't look as "angled" (?), I also don't like the simple outline where the rest is 3D-ish. Not sure this should turn into art critics here though
10:10:46wodzpixelma: It's not that your work is bad - it just look a bit to clumsy IMO
10:11:16S_a_i_n_tmaking it "bland" looking was kinda deliberate...I don't really think that trying to do "nice" shading ever really looks right in 4-grey
10:11:49S_a_i_n_tI think it needs to be more, "clean"...but pixelma's right, this 'aint art school ;)
10:12:00pixelmahuh?
10:12:24wodzwell USB logo looks perfect
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10:50:30wodzwhat is the point of firmware/drivers/rtc/rtc_tcc77x.c in its current form?
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13:25:36*TheSeven wonders why apple calls the i2s interface or codec "MeCCA"
13:26:00*TheSeven found strings like "MeCCAAudioIOWorkerThread"
13:26:02n1sBuschel: There was no need to revert r28488 for the ARM7TDMI case if it only slowed down your nano's core, i did test on my fuzev1 which has a ARM9TDMI and saw no speed diff there, also that last add insruction that just increases a pointer in a caller saved reg that is just subsequently discarded is still not needed.
13:26:26S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: try facing it in the correct direction and see if it prays?
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13:36:30pixelmateru: did you test compile the unified image viewer for targets with small plugin buffer?
13:37:38terupixelma: yes.
13:37:54pixelmanot sure how your patch actually works - if everything is in one imageviewer binary or if "decoders" get loaded as needed
13:39:57teruthe latter. decoders are loaded when needed.
13:40:30pixelmaah, nice. Thanks for the info :)
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14:02:56*S_a_i_n_t wonders if someone has a target handy to attempt to reproduce a bug with pictureflow
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14:12:19S_a_i_n_tIf someone with a target with database enabled could test this, it's be great as it seems plain wrong to me:
14:12:21S_a_i_n_tCommence playback from either the database or filebrowser (set your WPS hotkey to Pictureflow first), then bring up Pictureflow with the hotkey, exit pictureflow using whatever means (which should drop you back to the WPS), stop playback, this launches the pictureflow plugin...why?
14:13:15S_a_i_n_tI would expect it to launch pictureflow on playback stop if I commenced playback with pictureflow, but then and only then.
14:14:12S_a_i_n_tdropping a user into pictureflow on stop just because they (may have even accidentally) opened pictureflow with the hotkey after commencing playback with db or filebrowser seems quite odd behaviour to me.
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14:19:46mc2739_S_a_i_n_t: I cannot reproduce that behavior with e200v2
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14:20:55S_a_i_n_tHmmm...quite odd. I thought there may have been a chance one of my patches was messing something up, so I tried an svn build and got the same results.
14:20:58terupictureflow seems to be counted as a "browser" when you launched with PicutreFlow in wps context menu or hotkey.
14:22:22S_a_i_n_tI would find that behaviour quite normal if I launched playback with pictureflow, but it seems to be very strange - if not a bug, to do so when playback is launched from the database.
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14:24:32S_a_i_n_tHmmm...ok, even weirder. It seems like it is one of my config settings messing things up.
14:24:40S_a_i_n_tthe plot thickens.
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14:32:10S_a_i_n_tOk, it turns out that "Follow Playlist" causes this behaviour.
14:32:35S_a_i_n_tI'm not 100% about what follow playlist does, but it doesn't seem like it should have that effect.
14:33:27n1sit is that setting that meks the file browser end up in the dir that the current playing track lives in
14:33:36n1ss/meks/makes/
14:33:57S_a_i_n_tah...then based on what I'm experiencing it's surely a bug.
14:34:03S_a_i_n_tjust need someone to verify it.
14:34:24S_a_i_n_tmc2739: Care to try again with "Follow Playlist" enabled?
14:34:32S_a_i_n_t+please
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14:44:06mc2739S_a_i_n_t: turning on "Follow Playlist" does reproduce your described problem
14:44:28S_a_i_n_tmc2739: Good to know, thanks.
14:44:36S_a_i_n_tI shall flyspray the sucker.
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14:55:42mc2739S_a_i_n_t: something else I noticed with that configuration, after stopping playback and going back to pictureflow, I exit pictureflow again to return to the menu, now the down button acts like a hotkey and returns me back to pictureflow
14:56:07S_a_i_n_tmc2739: yes, very strange.
14:56:29S_a_i_n_tSomething is definitely quite wrong...I had a brief look but it is so far beyond me it isn't even funny.
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15:06:24LambdaCalculus37Can someone with a non-iPod PP target take a look at the battery reading in System > Rockbox Info? On my HDD6330, I'm noticing that it's reading 0h -1m at all times.
15:06:36LambdaCalculus37I want to see if this is also affecting other PP targets.
15:08:00n1slooks fine on my c200 88% 15h 32m
15:08:35n1salthough the build on that is from before the recent code juggling in the debug menu
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15:09:30n1si'll update and check
15:09:40LambdaCalculus37n1s: Okay.
15:10:13*LambdaCalculus37 should check on his m:robe 100 later on
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15:10:57n1sstill fine with an up to date build, and when i think about it, that isn't the debug menu :)
15:11:21n1sdoes the battery reading work and is the runtime thing calibrated for that player?
15:11:24S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: I know it's quite late now...but I was just reading your comments on FS #5111 and I couldn't get it to work on Nano2G myself.
15:12:47LambdaCalculus37n1s: Probably related to inaccurate battery measurement on the HDD63x0 itself. Although IIRC my m:robe 100 exhibited the same issue the last time I looked at it.
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15:14:04LambdaCalculuswodz: Pong
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15:14:24TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: what exactly was the problem?
15:14:42wodzLambdaCalculus37: have you tried patch on your AJBR ?
15:15:06n1sLambdaCalculus37: i see the problem
15:15:07LambdaCalculus37n1s: I was about to say before I was rudely interrupted that I'm going to ask lowlight and b0hoon about how far along battery callibration readings are on the HDD63x0.
15:15:14LambdaCalculus37n1s: What's the problem?
15:15:16S_a_i_n_tNo click...speaking of which (and possibly I have asked you this before) do you have SW keyclicks on your Nano2G without playback?
15:15:19LambdaCalculus37wodz: I have. Works there too.
15:15:19S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: ^
15:15:38S_a_i_n_tFor me, on all my Nano2Gs SW keyclick only works during audio playback.
15:15:49*TheSeven hasn't checked sw keyclicks at all
15:16:01wodzLambdaCalculus37: nice
15:16:06wodzthank you
15:16:26n1sLambdaCalculus37: the gogears don't define the CURRENT_NORMAL thing that tells powermanagement how much power it sucks so battery_status_update() never updates the remaining runtime, see powermgmt.c:278
15:17:22n1sso powermgmt_est_runningtime_min is always -1 which is where your -1m remaining runtime comes from
15:17:38wodzhdd6330 which b0hoon own is defective IIRC. So he couldn't work on battery code.
15:18:25LambdaCalculus37wodz: And I have to look at the service manual for the HDD63x0 to see what the battery specs are.
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15:19:09S_a_i_n_tamen.
15:19:33S_a_i_n_tI can't even get one for my VCR
15:19:51LambdaCalculus37S_a_i_n_t: Why, you planning on porting Rockbox to it? ;)
15:20:14S_a_i_n_t.....<looks around shiftily>...maybe ;)
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15:22:10LambdaCalculus37n1s: I think I can get this fixed.
15:22:27Stummiis there a special reason why the lamp-plugin has only white and one more color? I would find it better if there are at least a simple palette of basic colors (ff000, ffff00, 00ff00, 00ffff, 0000ff and ff00ff)
15:22:56S_a_i_n_tStummi: I had a patch in the tracker for that, but it'll be out of sync now.
15:22:57n1sLambdaCalculus37: yes, you should only need to do a battery bench to calculate the normal runcurrent
15:23:40S_a_i_n_tand fwiw, I asked the same question to myself many time, which is why I added a full ROYGBIV colour-set
15:24:04S_a_i_n_toh, and black...which was kinda cool too ;)
15:24:12StummiS_a_i_n_t, can you point me to that? A search for "lamp" has only 3 results and this what you means don't semms there
15:25:02S_a_i_n_tStummi: 'twas probably closed, two of its features got committed, and the ohter is out of sync now.
15:25:26S_a_i_n_tif you look at lamp.c, it really isn't hard to see how it's done.
15:25:42S_a_i_n_tjust remember to update the total colours ammount.
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15:26:58S_a_i_n_tI shall add a patch to the tracker again with another colour-set for lamp. but it most likely won't get committed.
15:27:20Stummiyes i saw already how it's done
15:27:22Stummiwhy not?
15:27:56S_a_i_n_tIf it was going to get committed, I figure it would have been committed when the other features from the same patch were added.
15:28:27S_a_i_n_tI added brightness, and made it not time out from idle timeout.
15:29:43Stummihm, and the developer who commited it does not give you a reason for that?
15:30:07Stummiif there is not a special reason for this, i just would try it a second time
15:30:40S_a_i_n_tIt's such a simple thing to do, I would assume if it was wanted in core it would have been done already.
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15:30:55S_a_i_n_tIt's not like it's sitting waiting for a f33t coder to do it ;)
15:31:06S_a_i_n_thehe... *l33t
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15:32:05Stummiyes, i know. Adding new colors is realy easy (since you can edit c-source-files. For "normal" rb-users, it won't be easy :))
15:32:50LambdaCalculus37Stummi: There were "normal" Rockbox users that eventually became developers.
15:32:59S_a_i_n_t"normal users" get what they're given ;)
15:34:29Stummihehe
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15:38:42wodzI tend to think that 'normal
15:38:50wodz' rb user IS developer
15:39:47Stummihm, i think there were also users, whitch don't whant have much to do with the developing-process
15:40:46gevaertsPlenty of those
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16:29:01kugeloh, I forgot to mentioned: I fixed LCD_WIDTH/LCD_HEIGHT for onda vx767 as mcuelenaere suggested (hence the binsize increase)
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16:30:19kugelwodz: r28544 removed the pitchscreen on the hd200, I think that should've been a separate commit or at least be mentioned in the ci message. What was the reason?
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16:31:19kugelI guess it's awkward to use without front buttons
16:31:55saratogais " __attribute__ ((aligned (8)))" the correct way to make sure a buffer is double word aligned?
16:32:20kugelsaratoga: yea, see CACHE_ALIGN macros
16:33:10saratogalooking at atrac, i see a lot of things are 16 byte aligned, I guess thats so they line up with a cacheline?
16:33:56kugelI think 16byte for cache line is only correct on PP (if at all), the standard arm caches need 32 byte
16:34:15saratogagood to know
16:34:39kugelcould be 32 byte for PP as well, I don't know for sure
16:35:24saratogaon arm11, are ldm instructions going to be slow if I don't ensure that they're even word aligned?
16:35:39saratogahmm yes they are
16:36:24saratogaso i start off by loading three words, then always load two sequentially, and the buffer is aligned, thats going to screw up access times on arm11 right?
16:38:33kugelhm we don't seem to set CACHEALIGN_ATTR correctly for the standard arm caches
16:38:42kugelnobody sets it, and it defaults to 16
16:39:55Tornei thought we were fairly confident it was 16 for PP
16:40:00Tornebased on someone's benchmark sometime
16:40:11Tornebut yeah, it is 32 for most ARM caches on ARM9/ARM11
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16:41:16saratogaanyone feel lik ebenchmarking on the beast?
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16:53:25wodzCFs also like 16 alignment as it speeds up dram access (it can utilize bursts than)
16:54:17pixelmakugel: not the pitchscreen but the quickscreen, I agree about the seperate commit though. There are other targets without it in case of the Ondios because of "no spare button to access it easily" or in the case of the Player because of no space on the display
16:54:41kugeloops yes quickscreen, typo
16:55:48wodzIt was separate in my repo but I must make mistake when rebasing :/
16:56:15pixelmaI also find it a bit silly on the c200 where it's easily accessible from the WPS but on some weird button combo from the menus but you can't do much to improve that if you want to maintain an intuitive moving through the lists
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17:07:03TheSevenkugel/saratoga: S5L8701 cacheline size is 16 bytes. maybe that's one of the causes of Buschels weird performance measurements?
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17:15:09saratogai got my old gigabeast booting, but when i connect USB it often freezes on disconnect, anyone else noticing that?
17:17:42saratogaoh its not crashed, the backlight just didn't turn on
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17:18:15Tornethat's a known bug i think
17:18:23Tornecertainly i have heard people complaining about it before :)
17:21:01saratogaGigabeatS ATRAC3: 61.78MHz (ARMv4) 46.69(ARMv5E)
17:21:03saratoganot bad
17:21:49saratogai need to play around with scheduling more on arm11
17:21:53saratogai bet i can get it faster
17:25:03saratogawow it still takes 15MHz to run
17:25:09saratogajust for the QMF
17:25:42saratogaTorne: can I use r11 if I stack it?
17:25:47Tornesure
17:25:54Torner11 isn't special
17:27:47saratogahmm ok then I can probably do this a little better
17:28:05saratogais it just the stack pointer and pc that are special for us?
17:29:05Torneyeah
17:29:26Torner0-r3 and r12 are free to use for anything; r4-r11 you have to save/restore, but they're not special
17:30:33saratogawhat about r14?
17:31:13Torner14 you can overwrite, but you need to store the return address *somewhere*
17:31:23Torneyou don't have to put it back into r14, though, you ca nrestore it from the stack directly to pc
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17:41:48saratogaensuring that all ldm's were double word aligned saved another 3MHz on the beast
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18:04:16saratogaanyone feel like testing on coldfire or something just to make sure I didn't screw up atrac?
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19:19:35saratogado i need to set the svn properties on new files?
19:22:55saratogaah nevermind found the guide
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19:34:29CIA-7New commit by 03saratoga (r28550): Remove some benchmarking code accidentally included in the previous commit.
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19:36:36saratogadon't know how i managed to commit the version with the new code disabled :(
19:39:09LambdaCalculus37CRAP... MajorChanges page is borked. =/
19:39:48LambdaCalculus37How does adding a R% tag cause an entire section to disappear?
19:40:13*LambdaCalculus37 meant a linebreak tag
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19:41:49saratogayeah i didn't get that
19:41:56saratoga but you clicked edit before me, so its your problem now
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19:56:03CIA-7New commit by 03bertrik (r28551): tcctool: add support for Cowon J3 - FS #11747
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19:57:50amiconnsaratoga: If you typedef the respective int type used for the qmf window, you'll save several ifdefs
19:58:06saratogaamiconn: ah good idea
19:58:09amiconnI did it this way in libdemac for the filters
19:58:13CIA-7r28551 build result: All green
19:59:42amiconnsaratoga: Also, has this been tested on arm11?
19:59:55saratogaamiconn: yes, its much faster
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20:00:05saratogatheres numbers in the commit message for the beast
20:01:42amiconnAh, somehow missed those
20:02:06saratogai should have said "gigabeat S" instead of "arm11" in that message since I bet the beast and an android phone aren't quite the same performance-wise
20:02:42saratogabut yes i put a good deal of effort into scheduling on the beast, and the final version was much faster then the optimal arm9e version
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20:16:56b0hoonLambdaCalculus37: ping
20:18:13LambdaCalculus37b0hoon: pong
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20:19:31b0hoonLambdaCalculus37: hi, hdd1630 has 32MB of RAM, page 19 on the scheme : 256Mbit
20:20:01b0hoonLambdaCalculus37: so it looks like there is a typo on the diagram
20:20:52b0hoonLambdaCalculus37: about the battery: there is no estimation because a few targets dont have a CURRENT defines.
20:20:53sideawakeHi. A quick question about themes: I switched to cni_aquamarine and back to cabbiev2, and everything is fine except the folder names in the file browser which now seem to have permanently turned to blue, with no obvious way to change that. Is there any way to restore the default colors without deleting the entire .rockbox folder and reinstalling Rockbox? (I have r28518 installed. One of the two skins was built-in and the other was freshly downloaded; th
20:21:20LambdaCalculus37b0hoon: That may be so. I was wondering why the block diagram in the service manual says 64MB of RAM. Must've been a copy+paste from the HDD6330, perhaps.
20:21:59saratogadoes anyone actually have an atrac3 encoder?
20:22:08LambdaCalculus37b0hoon: I also remember trying to build a HDD1630 build with 64MB of RAM configured and having the whole thing crash like the stock market.
20:23:11b0hoonLambdaCalculus37: i'm working on disassembling OF of the hdd6330 but there is no any other interesting code for the LCD
20:24:36b0hoonLambdaCalculus37: PPs LCD2 bridge is too slow for this size of LCD, i suppose
20:25:27LambdaCalculus37b0hoon: We only have one other PP target with a 220x176 LCD, and that's the iPod Color.
20:27:01bertrikhm? e200 has 220x176 too and has a PP5024
20:27:05b0hoonLambdaCalculus37: yes, and i think here is solution for speed up the bridge :) i will look at it later.
20:27:30Buschelinteresting, using CACHEALIGN_ATTR on some of the relevant mpc arrays delivers more consistent performance results. e.g. the negative impact of r28488 becomes hardly measurable
20:27:37pixelmasideawake: there probably was a config file that changed filetype colours and since cabbiev2 doesn't set it to something else they stay. Unfortunately I don't remember how the settings nam is called exactly but I guess you can find out when looking through the config.cfg in the .rockbox folder and delete the line with it, save the file and reboot
20:27:44Buschel...for S5L8701
20:27:51LambdaCalculus37b0hoon: Okay, no problem.
20:28:00pixelmabertrik: the e200 is 176x220
20:28:33pixelmaoh it was about the amount of data then it shouldn't matter
20:28:34*b0hoon is looking at the e200...
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20:32:17b0hoonbertrik: transfers are done through the DMA somehow
20:32:54saratogaBuschel: on arm11 ensuring that all ldm instructions were double word aligned made a surprisingly large difference
20:33:13sideawakepixelma: thanks, there was a line "filetype colours", I deleted it and everything is fine : )
20:33:20saratogai suppose because of the 64 bit cache bus, but also probably because of better caching
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20:34:20Buschelyep, I read this in the logs. on the S5L there is not much differen (~0.15 MHz saved), but r28488 now only makes a minor difference (0.08 MHz slower instead of 0.7 MHz)
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21:27:05MItalyHi,
21:27:08MItalyjust a question
21:27:23MItalyis it likely that FS #8961 will be merged in SVN at some time?
21:28:40MItalyFWIW, I use it since August without experiencing any issue, and in my opinion it's a really nice enhancement for the rockbox look
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21:35:29freddybMItaly: I would like to see that, too. I think the core patch is pretty solid. I (or someone smarter) needs to go over convttf and fix it up. I've been busy with other stuff. :(
21:35:29saratogafreddyb: you were working on the fonts patch just mentioned?
21:36:42MItalyfreddyb: again, FWIW, the latest version worked fine for me, at least with DejaVu Sans, but indeed I remember having some problems in several occasions with "strange" fonts
21:37:52freddybSaratoga: I basically resycned it back in July/August because it had been idle for quite some time.
21:38:33saratogaah ok
21:38:38freddybMItaly: There were some versions of convttf that made bad font widths
21:38:40saratogawhat was actually missing from that patch?
21:39:55MItalyIIRC the last one worked out of the box
21:40:04freddybSaratoga: I don't think there's anything functional missing from the patch but convttf has been handled by several different people and could use some clean up. It works, tho.
21:40:20pixelmaI wonder how it deals with greyscale and monochrome displays. Also, I see that Unhelpful took part in development, would be curious to see his opinion
21:40:35freddybI haven't touched it for a while, though.
21:41:22freddybI don't remember about grey/mono.
21:43:23Unhelpfulpixelma: greyscale displays don't offer enough levels to do decent AA and also tend to be of relatively low spatial resolution. i've *wanted* to support producing mono fonts from convttf for a while, as something i think could be useful, but i kind of fell out of rockbox dev work last time i took up work on audiomangler again
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21:44:43Unhelpfulbasically right now antialiasing is only of value for color targets, and i guess possibly greylib, and convttf is only useful for producing 4-bit fonts for the antialiasing patch.
21:46:05pixelmawell, I was more curious about it not breaking anything on these displays or add unnecassary code then. For usual targets I don't see the need for AA fonts at all, maybe for very high resolution android devices running on RaaA, just a personal opinion
21:46:21pixelmaunnecessary too
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21:47:25MItalylooking at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide
21:47:43Unhelpfulah, no, it shouldn't break anything on mono/greyscale devices, but obviously they can't do anything useful w/ 4-bit fonts.
21:47:43MItalyI see that all the grayscale targets offer just 2-bit grayscale
21:48:05MItalyso I agree it can't be useful at all on grayscale targets
21:48:14MItalywell, not even on BW screens :D
21:48:49saratogais there much binsize hit on grayscale?
21:49:31freddybThe AA fonts patch allows the use of TTF fonts for themes, which is nice. It's not easy for the average dude to get a nice looking mono font from TTF.
21:50:37freddybNot much, but the font buffers should be 4x if AA is going to be used.
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22:58:20freddybI'm confused. I have a Fuze V1 that garbles vorbis files. My Fuze V2 does fine and my iPod works. Any ideas?
22:59:31pixelmamaybe you suffer from that bug that only affects some AMS devices. Is this with an SVN build and could you compare to the release?
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23:00:50freddybI'm using current SVN. I'll try the release and see if it makes any difference. Is there an FS# ?
23:01:24pixelmahttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11608
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23:10:22freddybThanks
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23:25:01saratogafucking hell i still can't get real producer to make an atrac file
23:25:06saratogawhy are these people such assholes
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23:36:33S_a_i_n_tfreddyb: FWIW, convttf (your version of it at least) doesn't respect font output height.
23:36:48S_a_i_n_tIt seems a random numbers game trying to get a precise height.
23:37:20S_a_i_n_tAnd, if there's a way to add ascent/descent...I would *LOVE* for you to tell me how.
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23:54:01freddybSaint: convttf -p [the height you want] font.ttf
23:54:12S_a_i_n_tyeah, broken.
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23:55:21S_a_i_n_tconvttf -p 16 Helvetica.ttf produces a 22px font :/
23:55:34S_a_i_n_t-5 produces a 19px font.
23:55:39S_a_i_n_tit's a crazy game ;)
23:55:53S_a_i_n_ts/5/15/
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23:58:47S_a_i_n_tfreddyb: I'd also how to know how to add X lines of blank pixels in ascent/descent to a font using convttf....convbdf does it with ease, perhaps it's silly to aliken the two, but it should be possible.
23:59:01S_a_i_n_tI just can't seem to find how to do it :/

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