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#rockbox log for 2010-11-19

00:00:22revescan u help and tell me plz what devices/?
00:00:44krazykitno, as it's offtopic for this channel. surely google can point you in the right direction
00:01:22reveswhat should I search for?
00:01:26reveswriting what?
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00:03:11reves?
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00:11:36Super_DorkThe latest firmware for the PS3 doesn't let you jailbreak.
00:11:49Super_DorkAnd stop talking about it hewre.
00:11:55Super_Dork*here
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06:09:17JdGordon|kugel: with svn+dynamic screen size patch rockbox still uses 2% cpu on my N1 (I highly doubt the patch would affect that), any ideas where else to look?>
06:09:37JdGordon|and can we make system_shutdown() work so we can kill the service completly with idle timeout
06:10:47Sudos.__.
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08:17:22CIA-7New commit by 03Buschel (r28619): Define CACHEALIGN_BITS for missing ARM CPUs for later use.
08:19:10CIA-7r28619 build result: 379 errors, 0 warnings (Buschel committed)
08:19:17Buschelcool
08:23:36CIA-7New commit by 03Buschel (r28620): Reinsert CACHEALIGN_SIZE to imx31l.h, r28619 expected another local change.
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08:33:59tester1Hello
08:34:11tester1i have a problem with my player
08:34:19tester1i have sansa c200
08:34:30tester1and i formate the partition
08:35:01tester1and now when i try to turn it on player say "Partition not found"
08:35:11tester1and turning off
08:35:57JdGordonwhat did you format it to?
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08:39:24tester1in linux by fdisk
08:39:32tester1i format 1st partition
08:39:38tester1in win95 fat32
08:39:38JdGordonto what file system?
08:39:47JdGordonstop pressing enter so often
08:39:54tester1Ok
08:41:06tester1i format it in win95/fat32 and now when i plug it to PC it's say "partition not found" and die.
08:41:10JdGordondoes it have any other partitions? I can't remember what the partition layout is supposed to be on the c200
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08:41:23JdGordonwait, what says that?
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08:42:38tester1Rockbox boot loader verrsion 6.0 sandisk sansa c200 series partition not found
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08:44:48JdGordonhold down |<< (left) when you turn it on, does it get into the sansa firmware?
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08:44:55JdGordonyou probalby stuffed the partition table
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08:46:01tester1no. i fold left but loading rocbox
08:46:05tester1hold*
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08:49:28JdGordonI have to run, stick around someone else who actually has a c200 will hopefully help you
08:50:17tester1thanks
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10:05:56n1samiconn, saratoga: the Beast's dynamic freq/voltage scaling uses some hardware functions in the SoC that measure the load somehow and fires interrupts at preset limits IIUC
10:07:33n1son some targets (like the coldfire ones) the normal clock is pretty high and a dynamic system could allow us to lower that which could save power when playing back fast formats
10:09:58n1sAlso there's Zagor's patch that made the actual freq switching faster but with a bit lower max clock, i wonder if he's going anywhere with that...
10:11:05S_a_i_n_tn1s: FS#?
10:12:33Zagorn1s: I spent quite a lot of time trying to gain average clock by using a lower clock and doing more dynamic switching. unfortunately my results were not that encouraging.
10:13:13Zagorbasically I ended up adding a lot of complexity for very little power gain
10:14:29S_a_i_n_thow very little is "very little" exactly?
10:15:16Zagora don't remember exactly. on the order of a handful megahertz average clock for 128 kbit mp3 playback.
10:16:03S_a_i_n_tDid it add anything substantial to binsize?
10:16:22Zagorno
10:16:32S_a_i_n_tI'm all for adding power saving features if they don't impact negatively anywhere else.
10:16:52S_a_i_n_tevery little bit helps.
10:17:44Zagoryes, but this method is rather invasive. it requires a lot more fine-grained boost control all over the code.
10:17:48n1sZagor: ah
10:18:07n1sS_a_i_n_t: well "adding a lot of complexity for very little [] gain" is kind of negative ;)
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10:19:00Zagorthe alternative is having a thread/irq which tries to observe the system and boost by demand. but that's tricky to get right.
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10:19:47n1sZagor: i think that's what amiconn sugested here yesterday, to time how much the cpu is sleeping and adjust speed accordingly
10:20:27Zagoryes. I'd say it's worth experimenting with.
10:20:31S_a_i_n_tYes, there's been a lot of talk recently about handling boosting in a saner way.
10:20:55n1sit would be interesting to try using 33MHz normal frequency on coldfire
10:21:02S_a_i_n_thaving more controll, as opposed to just boost/unboost.
10:22:23n1sthe current way is very KISS though and works fairly well, it's just that it's suboptimal for targets where the performance/power consumption ratio is not linear with the speed
10:24:56Zagorin theory the normal frequency shouldn't matter as long as it's the same clock divider
10:25:10Zagorrunning more quickly just means we'll sleep sooner
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10:25:56n1sah, i thought the coldfires were fairly inefficient at sleeping
10:26:29Zagorwell, in that case it matters. :-) I meant more generally.
10:27:27Zagorin a simplified model where sleep = 1% power and normal = 100%, we could just as well run at full speed always
10:28:04n1sanecdotal evidence is linuxstb's battery bench comparing a stock build playing flac vs a custom build with normal clock at 34MHz and gaining ~1h10m runtime
10:28:20Zagorwhich target was that?
10:28:23n1sh100
10:28:32n1sthe top of http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IriverRuntime
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10:31:24Zagorwhat is the svn normal clock for that?
10:31:50n1s45
10:31:53n1sMHz
10:32:00n1s11.2*4 IIRC
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10:44:36Zagorwell, if we can't make coldfire draw less idle power then certainly on-demand boosting is not usable there
10:45:13Zagorand I think trying to balance a dynamic clock frequency is rather fragile
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13:30:26CIA-7New commit by 03alex (r28621): Minor English correction.
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13:33:54CIA-7New commit by 03alex (r28622): Forgot this very minor tweak.
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16:20:56carbineMy Sansa is freaking out. o.o
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16:22:02evilnick_Bcarbine: Freaking out how? And what model is it?
16:22:49carbineSansa e280v2. I was jogging the other day and it just shut off. I couldn't get it back on. I waited a bit, turned it back on and it said the battery was dead. I'm charging it now, but the date/time is rapidly changing.
16:25:37carbineAnd now it seems to be frozen while committing the database.
16:26:39carbineWell.. It plays music. Lol
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16:39:08carbineDoesn't appear that a reinstall helped.
16:39:44gevaertsSounds like a hardware problem to me at first sight
16:39:59gevaertsHave you tried removing the battery and putting it back in?
16:40:09carbineYes. I'll try that again now.
16:40:20gevaertsDoes the OF work properly?
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16:40:51carbineOF?
16:41:12evilnick_BOriginal Firmware
16:41:22carbineLet me check
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16:42:34carbineWait... I got it to work.
16:42:59carbineI forgot to boot back into the OF after reinstalling Rockbox. When I tried it went to the Firmware Upgrade message, rebooted and it's fine.
16:43:56carbineThanks for the help! :)
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17:56:15freddybsaratoga: I posted FS #11765, it clocks the CPU at 31M or 186M boosted. The pclk gets boosted to 62 with the cpu. It seems to perform pretty well. I tried doing it without boost pclk but it wasn't very good.
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17:59:24saratogafreddyb: great, i'll take a look later, have to run
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19:03:48soapWhat is up with the wiki? http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RaoulTeeuwen doesn't exist. In the past new user account automagically created the user's page.
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19:04:36soapBaseUserMapping_333? I assume that is a internal system account?
19:05:10soapMaybe I'm losing my mind, but I swear I had more ways to view the revision history last week than I do this week.
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19:09:32soapAnd the bloody awful GUI editor appears to have disappeared too.
19:11:07bertrikHas anyone been able to extract the firmware from the fuze+ upgrade file?
19:14:10bertrikWhen I last looked at it, it seemed to contain the firmware in encrypted or otherwise scrambled form
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19:17:04pixelmasoap: wiki software was updated last weekend or so and some stuff has disappeared (and unfortunately not been fixed since), e.g. the "Go, Search" box too
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19:19:58saratogabertrik: it compresses really well, so probably not encrypted
19:20:21bertriksaratoga, the part I looked at was completely scrambled, the first 6 MB or so (IIRC correctly)
19:20:37bertrikthe other parts seemed to contain graphics
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19:22:24bertrika nice way to identify parts of a raw file, is to interpret it as a grayscale image
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19:45:58ShastaMcShastaHello, I'm having hardware issues with my Rockbox'd Gigabeat F40
19:46:20ShastaMcShastalong story short, someone gave the lower half of the player a drink of Dr Pepper
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19:46:55ShastaMcShastaafter everything's dried, it turns on when plugged into AC power
19:47:36ShastaMcShastabut the buttons and touchplus dont work, it says "clear" in a gray info box, then shuts itself down
19:47:49ShastaMcShastaonly to restart itself the moment it starts charging
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19:49:08ShastaMcShastaLost cause? Maybe. but is there a way to safely clean the guts of it?
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19:49:59ShastaMcShastaanyone?
19:52:30toffe82ShastaMcShasta: must be the sugar form the drink in all the contacts
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19:53:41toffe82if the liquid went in the hard drive, it is lost
19:53:49ShastaMcShastawhats the best way to clean it, in your opinion?
19:54:00ShastaMcShastathe hard drive is still accessible through USB
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19:54:26SundiverTake spirit bath
19:54:37SundiverSpirit absorb all moist
19:54:48toffe82so it must be just the contacts, you should disconnect all the contacts and clean them with a contact cleaner
19:54:54Sundiverand vaporise then
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19:58:22ShastaMcShastaive never dealt with this kind of thing
19:58:31ShastaMcShastawhat contacts?
19:59:25toffe82all the connectors with flat cables connected , open them take off the flat cable and clesn the contacts
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20:00:21ShastaMcShastaokay
20:00:35ShastaMcShastathank you
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20:30:27tfxgood evening @ all
20:34:26tfxI need some helping hands and explanations about the *.sbs files:after I made an udate to the newest rockbox version (28612) an error occured with one of my created/ported skins (Sport_X3 for iriver h10 5/6gb): the clock jumped some pixels to the right and so the last clock digit is not shown (example: 20:3 )
20:35:00tfxbut I made no changes or updates inside the *sbs file
20:35:38tfxso I thik it's an error or a new feature I need to implement into the skin
20:35:56tfxperhaps someone could help me
20:36:01tfxplease
20:37:02evilnick_Btfx: There might not be anyone awake here who knows about that part of Rockbox
20:37:26tfxhi evilnick. thanks for your reponse
20:37:30evilnick_Bi.e. you shouldn't necessary expect help in realtime
20:37:44evilnick_Bs/necessary/necessarily/ :)
20:38:16tfxyes i know and understand this.
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20:39:29tfxbut i don't want to add a new bug report before anyone explained me this
20:39:52tfxperhaps i only need to update ne or two lines of code
20:41:07tfxso i will come back later when sun rises again :-)
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20:41:28tfxsee you and good night
20:41:33evilnick_Btfx: Can you pastie.org your sbs, and then check back
20:41:51evilnick_BMaybe someone will get chance to look at it later on (but no promises!)
20:42:11tfxsure, it's the same as included inside my skin
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20:45:11tfxhere is the sbs pasted: http://pastie.org/1311644
20:46:02tfxbye
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20:52:15*pixelma would have liked to ask tfx a question :\\
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20:55:20evilnick_Bpixelma: Maybe ask if for the logs in case tfx comes back?
20:55:26evilnick_Bs/if/it/
20:56:53pixelmaI wonder if the jump to the right is always seen or just in the USB screen - the latter was changed to only use sysfont to fix some bug and sysfont may have a different width for the digits
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20:58:10pixelmain that case it is some regression but better than crashes or whatever happened
20:58:53gevaertspossible file system corruption I think actually
20:59:02gevaertsAlthough probably unlikely
20:59:07gevaerts(and crashes)
20:59:21pixelmahmm, his sbs sets sysfont for the clock viewport anyway
20:59:44gevaertshm, not sure. When is the glyph cache written to disk?
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21:01:44pixelmadoes someone know the sysfont width off the top of their head (is it 6 or 7 pixels altogether)?
21:02:10pixelmaof each character of course ;)
21:03:37pixelmaI'd be curious to see a screendump... guess I can find one on the theme site
21:04:30pixelmawho is able to do "admin work" on the theme site?
21:05:37*gevaerts raises his hand
21:06:13gevaertsI'm not sure what to do with this one though, so I'm leaving it for someone else
21:09:03pixelmaare the site admins listed somewhere?
21:09:55gevaertsI don't think so
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21:13:03*pixelma wonders why this theme's screenshots look shifted left (by 3 pixels)
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21:14:37pixelmaleads me to thinking that there could be a problem with the screendump function but since other themes don't show that - maybe it only happens on target or so
21:19:40pixelmahmm, can't see anything that could have caused it. The theme is using the "offset from right border" positioning which is probably not often used but the numbers look correct. At the moment I could only imagine a bug with this system but it would need further investigation
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21:25:44pixelmaor maybe... the line in his code for the clock viewport definition has a comment on the same line with one space between the closing bracket and the # to start the comment, it's possible that this doesn't get ignored anymore and was before
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21:32:14pixelmaI find that quite likely and would ask him to try without the space (telling it here so someone could point him to it if I'm not here). If this is the case, I don't know if it's a bug or a feature
21:32:52pixelmaand I'm still curious about the screendumps - if someone could test on a 5/6GB H10...
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21:55:26gevaertspixelma: I can apparently reproduce this in the sim
21:56:15pixelmathe shift?
21:56:42gevaertsyes
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21:56:50gevaertsAnd removing that space seems to fix things
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