#rockbox 2010-11-28

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#rockbox log for 2010-11-28

00:05:16	Buschel	TheSeven: the nano hung up again with 192/96/24 and 24/24/24 after three hours.
00:05:19		Quit Keripo (Quit: Leaving.)
00:05:49	TheSeven	had you been doing the exact same thing?
00:05:58	TheSeven	maybe there's just a bad music file at that point?
00:08:05	Buschel	after reset it resumed different files. so, i don't think that's the cause.
00:08:26	TheSeven	damn
00:08:42	wastrel	hi
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00:14:14	Buschel	hopefully this is not another effect that I am experiencing...
00:15:15	Buschel	I'll just keep LCD on now to see whether there is some data abort or if it is just hanging
00:18:15	CIA-7	New commit by 03moos (r28687): rbutil: Fix typos in french translation plus some minor changes (fix few typos on source strings too while I was here).
00:20:48	CIA-7	r28687 build result: All green
00:21:58	pamaury	bertrik: I update the wiki with what I known about encryption
00:22:38	pamaury	Tomorrow I'll attach some programs I wrote (including your which I slightly modified)
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00:25:01	pamaury	gevaerts: update on FS #11774, perhaps we should consider committing
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00:28:42	StrangeCharm	Does Rockbox need to use data written to the HDD on an iPod 4g, or does it run completely from the firmware chip?
00:29:08	gevaerts	"firmware chip"?
00:30:41	gevaerts	Rockbox always install to disk. The bootloader is installed to flash on some targets (but not on the old ipods)
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00:31:08	StrangeCharm	gevaerts, sorry, i'm not totally savvy with how ipods boot. more plainly stated: what effect would formatting the hdd have on rockbox's operation?
00:31:23	gevaerts	you'd have to reinstall
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00:32:11	StrangeCharm	gevaerts, so it's not possible to have an ipod which both runs rockbox, and can be used as a bootable hdd for a regular computer??
00:32:41	gevaerts	That doesn't follow
00:32:50	gevaerts	That might be possible, but it might be a bit tricky
00:33:08	StrangeCharm	wouldn't both the rockbox and the regular bootloader need to live at the very start of the chip?
00:33:17	StrangeCharm	chip=hdd
00:33:25	gevaerts	no
00:33:56	gevaerts	As far as I know (but I might be wrong), you can put anything you like in the code bit of the MBR
00:34:14	gevaerts	the ipod doesn't use the MBR for booting, it only looks at the first partition
00:34:31	gevaerts	(which is of type 0, which confuses some partitioning tools)
00:34:32	StrangeCharm	on a 4g, the rockbox bootloader is installed to flash, right? if the first partition isn't in a format it understands, will it look for another partition to boot from?
00:34:58	gevaerts	no, the rockbox bootloader is installed somewhere in the Apple firmware partition
00:35:23	StrangeCharm	which is the first partition on the mbr, right?
00:35:30	gevaerts	yes
00:35:58	gevaerts	Note that that's not the partition you usually see. The partition with the FAT filesystem where you store your files is the second one
00:36:07	StrangeCharm	but if i wanted to boot a regular computer from the ipod's disk, wouldn't the regular boot loader need to be installed to the first hdd?
00:36:20	TheSeven	you mean the first partition? no
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00:36:42	TheSeven	it needs to be installed to the MBR and possibly to the active partition (which can by any one)
00:37:48	StrangeCharm	so, if i installed grub to the mbr, i could tell it to boot from -say- the second partition, while rockbox would still boot ok, living in the first?
00:38:26	gevaerts	the rockbox bootloader lives in the first partition. Don't confuse that with rockbox itself
00:38:45	TheSeven	and yes, it should work
00:39:19	TheSeven	it's a bit tricky on newer ipod generations where sectors aren't 512 bytes (many BIOSes don't like that), but the old ones should work just fine, assuming you leave the partition table alone
00:39:47	gevaerts	Also remember that rockbox only supports FAT
00:39:49	StrangeCharm	so, the apple firmware looks to the first partition, ignoring the mbr, while my bios would look to the mbr to see what to do?
00:40:18	StrangeCharm	i have a 4g. is that never, or older?
00:40:28	TheSeven	i don't know what the apple bootloader is doing, but it will either take the first partition in the partition table, or the only partition with type 0, but a start sector set
00:40:31	StrangeCharm	s/never/newer
00:40:38	TheSeven	that's one of the old ones
00:41:03	TheSeven	it will certainly not care about the code in the MBR (e.g. grub)
00:41:21	TheSeven	and grub won't care about the firmware partition or what the active partition is
00:42:07	StrangeCharm	so, this doesn't actually look like it needs much delicacy. i just need to not erase the first partition when i install the os, and make sure to install grub to the bootloader.
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00:42:32	TheSeven	StrangeCharm: yes, exactly
00:43:26	StrangeCharm	but if i want to support other filessytems, like luks, or ext4, i'll have to manually add that to the code, and compile it myself, and that probably wouldn't be trivial.
00:43:34	TheSeven	yep
00:43:55	TheSeven	you should probably stick to fat32 for things that rockbox should be able to access
00:44:12	TheSeven	you can still have an e.g. ext2 partition for the root partition
00:44:22	TheSeven	(for the PC OS you want to install)
00:45:22	StrangeCharm	TheSeven, my project is actually a little more ambitious. i'm just starting with rockbox because you guys have worked out how to get code running on an ipod
00:45:47	TheSeven	so you actually want something to boot on the ipod itself?
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00:46:13	StrangeCharm	well, since the ipod has a screen, i want to use it as a somewhat 'smart' disk
00:47:07	StrangeCharm	playing music is not the plan. i just want the ipod to be able to give the user some information & diagnostics, even without a computer
00:47:27	gevaerts	You might be better off starting from ipodlinux then
00:47:53	StrangeCharm	gevaerts, see, this is useful information. ^_^
00:48:52	TheSeven	anyone around who's interested in the ipod classic mmc/ce-ata stuff?
00:49:09	StrangeCharm	i just came into a friend's old ipod. it runs rockbox, and i wanted to play about with it
00:49:34	StrangeCharm	but if ipod linux works, then that sounds like a better strategy
00:50:19	TheSeven	gevaerts: do you know if iPL even has a UMS interface?
00:50:53	gevaerts	oh, right
00:51:01	gevaerts	No, they never had USB as far as I know
00:51:54	TheSeven	and ext2 file system support probably also won't help him much because he can't safely mount the FS while being a UMS slave
00:52:21	gevaerts	Well, the question is if you want those features while connected
00:52:34	TheSeven	so something new (that intercepts the UMS traffic and updates statistics or whatever) would need to be written anyway, if i understood what he's planning to do
00:52:53	TheSeven	StrangeCharm: what exactly do you want the ipod to do?
00:53:27	StrangeCharm	TheSeven, my current basic goal is working as a capacity-meter, saying how full the disk is
00:54:09	TheSeven	would it be sufficient to be able to access the file system while it's not connected via USB?
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00:54:46	StrangeCharm	absolutely. in fact, right now, i'm not worried about accessing the file-system when it is
00:55:00	Torne	StrangeCharm: you could do that kinda thing with a bit of trickery, yes
00:55:11	Torne	you don't need to be able to actually mount the filesystem to do that
00:55:13	gevaerts	hm, capacity might be doable by just reading superblocks or similar
00:55:15	StrangeCharm	more like switch on the ipod, and it just shows a gauge of how full the fs is
00:55:18	Torne	just find the superblock and look in the block group headers
00:55:24	Torne	add them up :)
00:55:45	TheSeven	Torne: assuming that this is in a consistent state
00:55:54	StrangeCharm	that's a little rough, but it shouldn't matter for a simple gauge
00:55:55	Torne	TheSeven: even if it's not, you can do it anyway
00:55:57	TheSeven	this will be always true for fat, but i don't know about other FSes
00:56:00	Torne	for only reading, who cares
00:56:11	Torne	you're not going to write to anything so you can do it while it's mounted or whatever
00:56:19	Torne	it might not always be accurate but.. so :)
00:56:22	TheSeven	you should care if inconsistent data means that the code locks up :)
00:56:26	Torne	ANyway, i'd suggest you make a rockbox plugin for it
00:56:33	Torne	and just set it to autoload on boot ;)
00:56:37	Torne	or something like that.
00:56:45	StrangeCharm	Torne, yes, that was my plan
00:56:46	Torne	then as a bonus you can also, yaknow, listen to music on it
00:56:55	Torne	but only from fat32
00:56:56	StrangeCharm	but first i'd have to import support for the fs
00:56:57	Torne	:)
00:57:07	gevaerts	libe2fs might be reasonably easy to get working
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00:57:18	Torne	no, as we just said, you don't really need to be able to mount the filesystem to do anything like that
00:57:19	StrangeCharm	i was thinking more along the lines of ext4
00:57:36	Torne	yah, the e2fsprogs libraries would do ;)
00:57:40	gevaerts	And when you've done that, you probably have the basics for e2fsck as well :)
00:58:02	Torne	you are pretty much asking for dumpe2fs
00:58:07	StrangeCharm	although, i could just add some code to the regular os to write some simple fs data to a fat32 partition, which rockbox reads
00:58:13	TheSeven	do we have raw storage access functions in the plugin api?
00:58:16	StrangeCharm	that would probably be much easier
00:58:20	Torne	TheSeven: no, but I've been meaning to add them for a while
00:58:27	Torne	:)
00:58:30	Torne	maybe i should get around to it
00:58:45	gevaerts	TheSeven: adding those isn't that big a deal :)
00:59:08	TheSeven	yes, i was only curious :)
00:59:11	Torne	maybe i'll do it when i add SMART to pluginapi :)
00:59:17	Torne	related
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01:01:12	Torne	StrangeCharm: well, that's less interesting ;)
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01:02:40	Torne	but don't let us stop you
01:02:49	StrangeCharm	Torne, indeed, quite. and i'd need to make sure that it works all the time
01:03:00	StrangeCharm	but i would allow me to use an encrypted partition\
01:03:10	StrangeCharm	and it would be very clear what data i was leaking about it
01:03:13	Torne	i'd be tempted to just steal code from dumpe2fs
01:03:20	Torne	but yeah, that won't help for encrypted volumes
01:03:22	*	Torne shrugs
01:04:11	StrangeCharm	maybe i'll just fiddle around and see what works. at least now i have a lot more information and ideas than i did before i came in here
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01:04:12	gevaerts	is there a SCSI equivalent to ATA TRIM? Or is it possible to tunnel that over UMS?
01:05:50	StrangeCharm	thanks, all!
01:05:50	Torne	gevaerts: hm, dunno
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01:05:50	wodz	why Time & Day is in System submenu and not in Settings?
01:05:50	Torne	because it's not a setting?
01:05:50	wodz	*Time & Date
01:05:52	Torne	well, mostly it isn't
01:06:03	Torne	some of the menu items could be interpreted that way :)
01:06:15	Torne	but it's just a screen that shows you the time, and lets you set an alarm etc..
01:06:19	Torne	doesn't really seem like a setting.
01:06:21	gevaerts	I'd be upset if I set e.g. the volume, came back half a day later, and see that it increased by 12
01:06:30	Torne	hehe
01:07:17	wodz	I don't get - you set the date & time so this IS a setting
01:07:30	gevaerts	But it changes by itself!
01:07:31	Torne	the purpose of that screen is moslty not to set the date and time
01:07:41	Torne	on a working player you only do that maybe twice a year, no?
01:07:55	Torne	mostly that screen is to see the time/date, and to activate sleep/alarm
01:08:54	clone4crw	most OFs put time and date under settings with everything else, it is a bit confusing.
01:09:21	wodz	btw. where is the code for setting time & date (I mean high level not hardware level)
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01:13:36	clone4crw	wodz: would firmware/export/rtc.h be useful to you?
01:14:05	JdGordon	wodz: apps/menus/time_menu.c iirc
01:14:45	clone4crw	there. even better.
01:15:22	wodz	JdGordon: no - it draws whole screen with time & date, I am looking for code where you set time & date
01:16:36	wodz	apps/screens.c is what I am looking for
01:17:04	JdGordon	bah too slow :)
01:17:07	JdGordon	just found that
01:19:32	nicklessguy	i'm still having problems with my Sansa Clip+ finding a new SanDisk microSD 16GB card. anyone here who could help me with that?
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01:22:15	bertrik	nicklessguy, sorry, I don't. At least it seems it is detected on the hardware level.
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01:24:34	nicklessguy	omg, the strangest thing ever happened: it finally works now
01:24:39	pixelma	hmm... seems no one took over fixing the LANG_DISK_NAME_MMC for the Clip+: I might do it tomorrow if I get a chance to test and someone explains how to use the language tools to update the features strings for all languages
01:24:50	pixelma	or someone else takes care of it...
01:25:22	nicklessguy	i just went into the debug menu, an re-inserted the card. then the message "scanning disk" (or something like that) popped up, and seconds later the card showed up.
01:27:22	nicklessguy	ok, after a restart it's gone again :(
01:30:28	rasher	pixelma: langtool.pl −−changetarget −−from target −−to target −−id ID1 −−inplace *.lang
01:30:51	rasher	or more likely, tools/langtool.pl −−changetarget −−from target −−to target −−id ID1 −−inplace apps/lang/*.lang
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01:30:58	wodz	why the hell set time/data screen doesn't react to inc/dec on hd300
01:31:40	JdGordon1	do you have the right actions defined?
01:31:46	wodz	yes
01:31:55	bertrik	lazy hd300 maintainer ! :P
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01:32:32	pixelma	there could also be conflicts in linked action contexts
01:33:03	pixelma	rasher: hmm, not sure about the usage yet but don't bother explaining now. I should go get some sleep first :)
01:33:17	wodz	I can change settings in eq screen for example or in recording screen
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01:44:57	amiconn	Something is seriously hosed wrt button actions in current builds
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01:44:58	amiconn	I often have to press a button a second time because the first press doesn't register.
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01:44:58	amiconn	This happens on several targets, so it's definitely not a hardware problem
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01:44:58	wodz	JdGordon1: would be so kind and look at hd300 keymap and maybe time setting screen to see why it doesn't allow to change settings?
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01:44:58	amiconn	And it's not "first press enables backlight only". I double-checked that, and apart from that it also happens with backlight in always-on mode
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02:08:09	TheSeven	can anybody tell me what the argument to a SEND_OP_COND command is?
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03:28:08	[AndrewR]	I would like to have a tick method called once every second or so for my plugin, anyone know how I can do that?
03:28:28	[AndrewR]	the precise interval isn't important, I just want approximately once a second
03:29:09	saratoga	easiest way would be to loop with a yield and a call to a timer to see if 1 second has passed
03:30:05	[AndrewR]	how does that relate to plugin_start?
03:30:09	[AndrewR]	would I make a new thread or something?
03:30:26	[AndrewR]	right now I'm looping with rb->get_button
03:31:10	[AndrewR]	oh. I see some examples for making a new thread
03:31:36	JdGordon	what are you doing
03:31:37	JdGordon	?
03:31:43	JdGordon	you probably dont need a new thread for this
03:32:17	JdGordon	especially if timeing isnt actually crucial
03:32:18	[AndrewR]	for my workout app, I want to have a timer like "put weights to 150lb" <30 second timer>
03:32:32	[AndrewR]	"rest for 30s"
03:32:35	[AndrewR]	stuff like that
03:32:56	JdGordon	you can just put a "if (TIME_BEFORE())" before the rb->get_button()
03:33:24	[AndrewR]	but won't the rb->get_button() wait until a button is pressed?
03:33:28	JdGordon	i mean so you do some code before the button check in the main loop if that timer has expored
03:34:01	[AndrewR]	but if I don't press a button for longer than the time amount, it won't trigger the timer
03:34:44	JdGordon	get_button() can be told to timeout
03:34:58	[AndrewR]	ah, that would work
03:35:51	[AndrewR]	button_get_w_tmo sweet
03:38:27	[AndrewR]	100 ticks seems to be 1 second
03:40:17	eWill	There is an incorrect value on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaRuntime −−- It's the fourth "Fuze v2" listing. It says "22h 7min" for RB runtime, but his attached .txt file says 21h 7m.
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03:48:26	saratoga	fix it then
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03:51:30	eWill	saratoga: I'm already registered in Flyspray and the Forums. Do I need to register for this too?
03:51:38	saratoga	yes
03:51:53	eWill	OK, I'll fix it. Thanks.
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09:03:47	Buschel	eWill: RB estimated the left capacity in % from the measured voltage. then it uses the user's capacity setting (mAh) and the hardcoded assumption of battery current to calculate the remaining time. example: 25% left, capacity is 400 mAh, current is 20 mA => 25% * 400 mAh = 100 mAh left. 100/20 = 5h left.
09:06:07	Buschel	TheSeven: I have an idea regarding the hang-up when downclocking the nano. for my uses case (mostly mpc and few mp3) the nano didn't boost a lot. now (with 24 MHz unboosted) it boosts at least 1x per sec. maybe the cause is simply that the udelay() when waiting for the voltage to settle isn't sufficient in some cases...
09:07:01	Buschel	TheSeven: I will change the test_boost plugin to automatically boost/unboost to check the stability.
09:08:39	eWill	Buschel: By "hardcoded assumption of battery current" do you mean it doesn't know the actual current? (If current mA is known, is there any menu for me to view it?)
09:09:44	Buschel	eWill: it's hardcoded for all players in their config-files (e.g. /firmware/export/config/ipodnano2g.h) and called CURRENT_NORMAL
09:10:14	Buschel	for few players (iPod nano 2g and Video) there is a patch that uses current measurements
09:10:39	eWill	no fuze v2 right?
09:10:53	Buschel	no
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10:15:53	bluebrother	nice. Rockbox Utility build broken :(
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10:17:30	TheSeven	Buschel: you could also just try increasing that delay by an order of magnitude and check if the trouble goes away
10:18:13	TheSeven	so you switch directly from 24 to 192MHz?
10:18:18	bluebrother	hmm. Wouldn't it be better to put all those model_names arrays into structures in mk{mpio,ams}boot?
10:20:02	TheSeven	Buschel: another possibility would be that the DRAM refresh timer is based on HCLK, and while it probably survives being only refreshed half as often as it should, there might be some bits flipping if it's only refreshed a quarter as often
10:27:06	TheSeven	is there a way for C preprocessor macros to have named arguments that can be specified in arbitrary order?
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10:28:12	TheSeven	so that I could e.g. write MMC_FAST_IO_ARGS(write = 1, rca = HDD_MMC_RCA, addr = addr, data = data)
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10:45:50	JdGordon	TheSeven: you want autogened code..... YUUUUUCK!
10:46:35	TheSeven	no, not code
10:47:05	TheSeven	this will just do something like (write ? 0x8000 : 0) \| (rca << 16) \| (addr << 8) \| data
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11:20:53	Buschel	Just pimped the test_boost plugin to boost/unboost 4x per sec. already ran for 3700 cycles now, w/o problems :/ hopefully this helps reporducing the hang up
11:22:35	amee2k_	mmmh, if this flash drive replacement mod works i'll replace the battery if this thing too
11:23:42	amee2k_	ipod compact flash mods seems to be a known idea though to increase capacity because the first gen mini only comes in a 4GB variant
11:23:59	amee2k_	so i ordered an 8GB card for it :)
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11:30:32	Buschel	TheSeven: the nano ran for >7 hours while it was _always_ boosted. so, the problem is either with the 24 MHz for all CPU/HCLK/PCLK or with boost/unboost.
11:31:11	Buschel	TheSeven: seems like there is not problem with the 192/96/24 setting
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11:42:49	Buschel	TheSeven: if the DRAM refresh is configured for a HCLK which is either 48 or 96 MHz, DRAM might be refreshed too few when using HCLK at 24 MHz, right?
11:44:25	Buschel	TheSeven: so, reading the preliminary spec it seems like setting MIUAREF to 0x1040 instead of 0x1080 could be helpful. your opinion?
11:44:57	Buschel	btw, tha nano did ~9500 boost/unboost w/o any problem now (from 24 to 192 MHz)
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11:45:44	TheSeven	the MIU doesn't match the datasheet
11:46:18	Buschel	not fully. do you know more details?
11:46:32	TheSeven	i only know how i initialize it
11:46:51	TheSeven	the DRAM refresh is probably configured for 96MHz, not even for 48
11:47:06	TheSeven	the unboost/boost thing probably works if it boosts often enough to refresh often enough
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11:47:16	TheSeven	but keeping it for a long time at 24 should show the problem
11:47:34	TheSeven	so if you want to verify that, break the boosting code, so that it always runs at 24, and play e.g. some flacs
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11:48:59	Buschel	hmm, configuration for MIUAREF is only done for Meizu's in crt0.s ?
11:49:53	TheSeven	the MIU setup is done by the apple bootloader or emBIOS loader, not by rockbox
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11:53:38	TheSeven	Buschel: that's what embios loader does to initialize the MIU: http://pastie.org/1329670
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11:55:15	JdGordon	would anyone like to take over the themesite forum bot coding? :)
11:55:24	JdGordon	php is fun for some people :p
11:55:48	TheLemonMan	huh someone is workin on .sb files ?
11:56:26	TheSeven	JdGordon: i should be doing RE work on the iPod classic, so I won't take it over, but I know php pretty well if you have some questions
11:56:52	JdGordon	its not so much that I have questions... it's more the code scares me :p
11:56:56	Buschel	TheSeven: if i read this embios init right, it does only enable the auto-refresh and keeps the preset
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11:57:21	TheSeven	feel free to play around with it. everything i know about it is in that paste :)
11:57:27	Buschel	ldrr0, [r11,#0x08]; orrr0, r0, #0x1000; strr0, [r11,#0x08]
11:58:05	TheSeven	i'm just doing it the way apple is doing it, so i don't really know what i'm doing :P
11:58:40	Buschel	working quite well so far ;)
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12:01:52	JdGordon	teru: I'm liking your rockbox_browse() patch
12:02:35	JdGordon	the playlist catalogue stuff should probably be seperate though, but not a big deal if it is too late
12:05:39	teru	thanks. separating catalog change is easy.
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12:23:36	George	hi guys!
12:23:55	George	can anyone help me with a rockbox question?
12:24:32	AlexP	Only if you ask it
12:24:59	George	:) ok I have a Sansa Clip v1 with rockbox 3.7
12:26:01	George	and yesterday worked fine but now when I turn it on, it says Panic audio_reset_buffer () EOM (209792 > 60896)
12:26:17	George	and I cannot connect it to the computer
12:26:41	George	if i press any key of the player, it restarts with the same message
12:27:37	George	when I try to connect it to the computer, windows says that the device has malfunctioned and cannot connect it
12:27:43	AlexP	You can hold left when it is booting to get the OF
12:27:48	amee2k_	hmmm i know some bits of C (posix systems and 8-bit AVR), perl, shell and java.... about how difficult is writing my own plugin?
12:28:05	AlexP	amee2k_: Only you can really answer that
12:28:13	AlexP	Have a look at some existing ones
12:28:24	amee2k_	hehe
12:28:33	bertrik	amee2k_, not very difficult, but you are limited to using functions provided by the rockbox plugin API
12:28:40	amee2k_	do i need the full source tree to compile new one? or just some headers
12:28:47	bertrik	I think there is a hello world example plugin
12:29:33	bertrik	you basically need the full source tree
12:29:40	tmzt_g2root	what binary format does rockbox use for rock files?
12:29:49	George	well, the only command that works is tun off
12:30:15	George	i can turn it off, but when i turn it on it does that PANIC error
12:30:46	AlexP	Immediately?
12:30:53	George	yes
12:30:55	AlexP	If you hold left from the start, what happens
12:31:21	George	you want me to turn it on, but mantaining the button slided?
12:31:34	AlexP	I want you to turn it on while holding left
12:31:43	George	wait
12:31:48	bertrik	the EOM panic seems to come from apps/playback.c
12:32:13	bertrik	so this is not the bootloader panic'ing
12:32:17	AlexP	bertrik: So I guess it is trying to resume on a file that is killing it
12:32:28	George	coooool, I managed to start it with the original software
12:32:43	AlexP	George: What file where you playing when it crashed?
12:32:50	bertrik	yes, something like that. Going to the OF and deleting the playlist file (or perhaps also the config files) should solve it
12:33:17	AlexP	George: Now connect to USB, and delete playlist_control from the /.rockbox directory
12:33:18	George	it didnt play any file. I connected it to my pc to put some new music, and than turned it off
12:33:31	George	and today i started it and it says this message
12:33:39	AlexP	That is really odd, as the crash is in the playback code
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12:35:04	George	i want to delete the entire .rockbox and put the new version (3.7.1), is it OK with that?
12:35:12	TheSeven	tmzt_g2root: ARM executable code with some small header
12:35:25	AlexP	George: Yes, that is fine too
12:35:58	AlexP	You will lose settings doing that (normally you don't need to delete .rockbox, just extract over the top), but in this case it is probably a good idea
12:36:00	tmzt_g2root	TheSeven: does it resolve symbols or use traps directly?
12:36:46	TheSeven	no, it's linked to a fixed address and calls the rockbox apis using a pointer table that's passed as an argument to the plugin's entry point function
12:37:03	tmzt_g2root	ah, so only one plugin is ever loaded at a time
12:37:05	tmzt_g2root	okay
12:37:08	TheSeven	yep
12:37:24	George	ok, thank you guys, my rockbox is now up and running! thanks a lot!
12:37:27	tmzt_g2root	do things work the same way on hosted?
12:37:50	*	TheSeven knows nothing about RaaA and the sims :)
12:37:54	AlexP	George: great, and no worries :)
12:38:01	tmzt_g2root	ok
12:38:16	TheSeven	maybe kugel knows, but he isn't here right now
12:38:17	tmzt_g2root	thanks though, I was looking for a simpler elf implementation to study but rb doesn't use it
12:39:37	JdGordon	technically 2 oplugins can be loaded at the same time... codec+plugin
12:39:58	tmzt_g2root	but there's no fixup? so the lds for codecs are different?
12:40:11	TheSeven	yep
12:43:43	gevaerts	amee2k_: there's one potentially important bit that some ipod mini CF mod guides don't mention: add in some bits of cardboard or something like that to compensate for the CF card being thinner. The hard disk in those things is used to keep the buttons in place, so if you "just" put in a CF card you might have button issues later
12:45:08	TheSeven	gevaerts: is my assumption correct that an ipod classic can't be CF modded because of ce-ata?
12:45:32	TheSeven	and is my assumption correct that MMC is a bus where you can just connect multiple cards in parallel without needing chip select lines?
12:45:57	amee2k_	gevaerts: hmmm not on mine. you actually need to unplug the buttons and wheel to get the board out because they don't come out together
12:45:58	TheSeven	does this mean that one could "SD-mod" those things, with several cards?
12:46:44	amee2k_	the thing that has the buttons on it slides into two rails on the inside sides of the case and has a latch that engages in a grove machined into the front side
12:47:00	*	amee2k_ . o O ( wtf is it with my underscore these days >_< )
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12:47:59	gevaerts	TheSeven: I don't know. Isn't the 80GB disk still a standard zif disk?
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12:48:26	gevaerts	amee2k_: yes, but the disk still supports especially the middle part of that
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12:48:53	TheSeven	gevaerts: I haven't found any traces of plain ATA so far
12:49:38	tmzt_g2root	amee2k: with a controller, maybe you could bitbang it on the cf port but that would be a little crazy
12:50:05	tmzt_g2root	TheSeven: I think you can have multiple sd cards, they just get assigned different addresses when inited
12:50:14	amee2k	hu? bit bang what?
12:50:24	tmzt_g2root	in practice though I don't know of anything that uses it without mux hardware or independent controllers
12:50:28	TheSeven	amee2k: he addressed the wrong nick
12:51:03	amee2k	gevaerts: i don't think i can confirm that... the case is pretty much a piece of strand casting cut to size and then all the openings are machined into that
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12:51:26	gevaerts	amee2k: yes, but is the button board supported anywhere but on the sides?
12:51:29	tmzt_g2root	oh yeah
12:51:31	amee2k	so the rails that support the keypad (i'll just call the wheel+buttons assembly keypad now) run down the whole length
12:52:12	amee2k	the keypad is actually pretty stiff. you need to bend it a bit inwards to get it out because the buttons protrude through the case so they're flush on the outside
12:52:15	tmzt_g2root	amee2k: bit bang is a term programmers use to mean use pins to do somethign they weren't intended to do, like read an sd card
12:52:18	gevaerts	Do whatever you like, but don't complain if the centre button doesn't respond well :)
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12:52:56	amee2k	and that needs quite a bit of force. i don't know why they have the latch anyway. the buttons sticking into the case is far more effective at keeping it in place IMO
12:53:53	AlexP	Lots of people have already done this
12:54:02	AlexP	And cardboard is very commonly needed
12:54:12	AlexP	but as gevaerts says, do what you like :)
12:55:30	amee2k	lol
12:55:52	amee2k	sure i will >_>
12:56:14	amee2k	it looks like the card is at least holding the PBC in place
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13:14:04	wodz	I think I am going to clean up i2c mess a bit. There is no reason other than nobody cares that we have a few incompatibile i2c implementations which are wrapped around into some silly functions when some code is shared between different targets
13:15:11	wodz	moreover firmware/drivers/i2c.c is SH specific while it should live in target tree
13:17:16	JdGordon	wodz: come into #rockbox-community
13:18:02	bertrik	I would like to move some code from firmware/drivers/serial.c to target trees
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13:22:16	bertrik	What's the meaning of the return value of _backlight_init ?
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13:23:48	wodz	no meaning probably
13:24:44	bluebroth3r	is "MPIO" the manufacturer of those MPIO players?
13:24:55	bluebroth3r	or is MPIO a part of the model name?
13:26:14	wodz	mpio is manufacturer
13:35:03	bertrik	wodz, which i2c implementation is better, the one from s5l870x or the coldfire one?
13:40:56	wodz	I used to coldfire calling convention so I may be biased
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13:42:57	wodz	we even have something called generic_i2c which is used by AS3525 and MEIZU M6SP
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13:47:54	wodz	bertrik: what is sub-address in s5l870x implementation?
13:49:16	bertrik	wodz, I don't know right now, I'd have to look that up
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13:53:06	wodz	bertrik: Is it support for 10bit i2c address?
13:53:21	bertrik	I don't think so
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13:55:08	Buschel	do not know how stable this will be though... read +10%, write +20%
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14:49:26	TheSeven	Buschel: what did you change?
14:49:55	TheSeven	wodz, bertrik: I'd guess that "address" is the i2c device, and "subaddress" the on-device address for memory-like devices
14:49:59	Buschel	TheSeven: setting MIUSDPARA to 0x0069291D
14:50:11	TheSeven	what does that affect?
14:50:47	Buschel	TheSeven: lower RAS and refresh cycles
14:51:27	Buschel	TheSeven: but that's quite experimental as we d not know how the registers really work...
14:52:08	Buschel	TheSeven: btw, I am not an expert in RAM layout. can you tell the row adress bit width from any information we have?
14:52:42	Buschel	TheSeven: what I can see is that the nano's default auto-refresh cycles are derived from the 191.7 MHz clock somehow
14:52:58	TheSeven	sure that it isn't 96Mhz?
14:53:26	Buschel	TheSeven: it is derived from 191.7 / 2^n
14:53:52	Buschel	i do not know exactly as i do not know this row adress bit width
14:53:57	TheSeven	hm, so that's using FCLK_CPU?
14:54:24	TheSeven	you mean the row/column geometry?
14:54:27	Buschel	yes
14:54:52	Buschel	the config says column bit width is = 9 bit
14:55:12	Buschel	(if the spec is right)
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14:59:18	TheSeven	Buschel: http://www.alldatasheet.net/datasheet-pdf/pdf/168204/SAMSUNG/K4M56163PG.html
14:59:29	Buschel	it matches perfectly for 12 bit row adress width
14:59:55	TheSeven	http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/207179/QIMONDA/HYE18L256169BFX-7.5.html
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15:00:01	TheSeven	those are the chips they're using
15:03:17	saratoga	bertrik: do you know why someone in the forums would report a large DC offset from rockbox when playback is paused on AMS?
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15:03:47	preglow_	a pretty common bug, i'd expect
15:03:54	preglow_	codec just holds the last value it got
15:04:08	TheSeven	no caps on the output?
15:04:15	TheSeven	or high impedance load?
15:04:18	preglow_	obviously not :>
15:04:28	preglow_	we've had that kind of bug before on other targets anyway
15:04:32	preglow_	and it was our fault
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15:04:45	TheSeven	probably most people won't notice that because they have fade on pause/unpause enabled
15:05:30	bertrik	I suspect the headphone common setting
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15:09:48	bertrik	The headphone outputs are DC coupled, with the headphone common buffer providing a "phantom ground"
15:10:47	saratoga	whats the correct solution then? turn off the DAC when paused?
15:13:21	bertrik	yes, something like that, we'd have to check the data sheet
15:14:06	bertrik	as far as I understand the datasheet, there is a 150 mV DC voltage on HPCM for headphones detection, when the power amplifier is powered down
15:16:56	bertrik	I guess we just need to experiment a bit and measure
15:17:49	Buschel	TheSeven: btw, I get much higher fps on the nano 2g (~87 fps main, ~64 fps yuv)
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15:18:50	TheSeven	Buschel: which LCD is that?
15:18:59	TheSeven	what's your lcdcon (0x38600000) value?
15:19:02	TheSeven	mine is 0xc01
15:19:28	Buschel	mine is a LDS176 type
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15:22:05	Buschel	where can i see this register?
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15:23:31	TheSeven	Buschel: strange, i also have the LDS176 (type 7)
15:23:41	TheSeven	i usually look at those things using embios
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16:08:32	Buschel	TheSeven: after checking the RAM spec it seems to me like SDPARA should be set to 0x6a491d like for the MEIZU_M3
16:09:07	Buschel	TheSeven: the nano 2g setting is quite conservative
16:09:32	TheSeven	maybe they want to support other (cheaper) chips as well
16:10:37	Buschel	TheSeven: additionally my nano survided CAS-to-RAS-delay of 20 instead of 30ns −− but all of this cannot be used generic as apple may wanted to support other chips as well
16:11:38	TheSeven	what do the specs for the two known-used chips allow?
16:19:39	Buschel	sorry, gotta go now. real life calling ;)
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17:58:44	pamaury	I'm puzzled, it seems the elftosb2 program sometimes uses a random key to encrypt blocks and I don't see how it is possible to retrieve this key !
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18:03:44	saratoga	if they key is random doesn't that mean it has to be stored somewhere in the resulting binary?
18:04:33	bertrik	I guess the random is only used to diversify things
18:06:28	pamaury	I can't see it written
18:06:43	pamaury	it is used everywhere but never written
18:07:07	pamaury	Or there is a magic relationship which allows to retrieve it...
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18:08:31	pamaury	bertrik: I made a mistake: after the chunk headers, there are 32 bytes per key. The first 16 bytes are the cbc mac of all the headers (I checked) but the 16 other bytes are ...something else, seems to be a cbc mac of the header but with the random key :(
18:10:03	pamaury	wait !
18:10:09	pamaury	I think I found out :)
18:10:56	pamaury	Hum, it seems they encrypt the random key using the one specified to elftosb2, so you have to decrypt it to get the real key :o
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18:14:28	bertrik	pamaury, I noticed that one of the 6-byte randoms in the file generated by elftosb seemed quite random, but the fuze+ has "sgtl" (=sigmatel?) there.
18:14:47	pamaury	yes I saw but have no explaination
18:15:10	pamaury	perhaps there tricked the randomizer to put sgtl here :D
18:15:45	pamaury	since it just here to add some noise, you can put pretty much everything so they might have modified the program to put "sgtl"
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18:16:34	pamaury	anyway, if I'm right, we are close to being able to decrypt the sb format (knowing the key of course)
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18:21:17	pamaury	would it be okay to include this file in the trunk to encrypt/decrypt ? https://github.com/chrishulbert/crypto/blob/master/c/c_aes.c
18:21:52	pamaury	it says "This code is public domain, or any OSI-approved license, your choice. No warranty."
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18:23:01	amiconn	TheSeven: While MMC is called an open standard (as opposed to SD), the actual documentation from the MMCA isn't publicly available. However, numerous MMC datasheets describe all necessary details
18:23:12	amiconn	That's how I implemented the MMC driver for the Ondios
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18:25:45	*	TheSeven wonders why the MMC docs weren't leaked yet
18:26:08	TheSeven	but currently i'm fighting less with actual MMC than with the MMC core of the SoC
18:26:13	pamaury	there are some leaked mmc docs
18:27:01	amiconn	Well, the MMC datasheets are sufficient (imo)
18:29:51	amiconn	Hmm, I also have a pdf of the JEDEC standard for MMC 4.3
18:30:02	amiconn	(didn't exist yet back then)
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18:34:20	pamaury	bertrik: any reason to compile sbinfo.c in ansi mode with C99 define at the beginning ?
18:39:23	bertrik	no, I just copied that from amsinfo
18:40:27	pamaury	well, sbinfo.c has a switch saying it's C99 source and compiling with -ansi says to use C90...I think it's easier to compile in C99, because I plan to include the file I linked 20 minutes ago and it uses some C++ style comments
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18:45:01	amiconn	Hrm, the button map of the newfangled image viewer is completely hosed on at least two targets, and on archos it doesn't work at all ("grey buf error") :(
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19:00:43	csh_	hello, i want to ask something related to plugin api. since the target platform uses eabi format, if i compile my plugin that has floats, then I link it to Rockbox, can't my plug-in use the fpu of my ipod? i thought this since the target platform uses eabi format which is not operating system dependent
19:01:03	gevaerts	It can use all fpus on the ipod
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19:01:11	gevaerts	Unfortunately, that means "zero of them"
19:01:30	amiconn	Ahah - serious confusion issue: if test plugins are enabled, the default viewer for jpg files is test_mem_jpeg, not the image viewer (!)
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19:01:31	csh_	doesn't arm processor have fpu?
19:02:05	gevaerts	some of them do, but nearly all of the ones in devices that rockbox runs on don't
19:02:27	AlexP	only the one in the gigabeat S does
19:03:07	csh_	i understood. thanks
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19:07:51	saratoga	technically modern ARM doesn't have an FPU, its all provided by coprocessors like NEON or VFP
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19:35:07	Stummi	docs/API is realy outdated. is there a newer documentation of the api anywhere?
19:35:17	nls	plugin.h
19:36:22	Stummi	with "documentation" i meaned something with more explaination :p
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19:40:55	nls	amiconn: your viewer change readds the annoyance of having to move a lot in the list to use test_codec
19:43:03	amiconn	The test plugins should never end up as the default for a format
19:46:24	nls	no, but test_codec was never the defrault for any format as it only works with files that the core plays anyway
19:47:48	nls	having it first in the list was a nice convenience as when I use it i tent to run it many times so have to move through the same list a lot or change it locally
19:47:58	nls	s7tent/tend
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19:48:06	amiconn	Making an exception is dangerous imo
19:48:21	amiconn	It could be moved to the very bottom - then it should be the last entry
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19:48:46	wodz	TheSeven: ping
19:48:59	*	amiconn doesn't care about the position because "open with" needs many button presses anyway
19:49:13	TheSeven	wodz: gnip
19:49:56	nls	amiconn: i care about test_codecs position as it's the only plugin i use and if you aren't going to use the test_* plugins they can easily be disabled
19:50:17	nls	only plugin i use often
19:50:28	wodz	TheSeven: about s5l870x i2c - isn't address parameter a mix of lowlevel and some protocol from higher layer?
19:50:38	amiconn	I also use it often at times
19:51:00	TheSeven	wodz: yes, it's handling both protocol layers
19:51:14	wodz	weird
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19:58:26	pamaury	bertrik: it's hardly believable, but I think the fuze+ firmware is encrypted using the zero key
19:59:21	Zagor	pamaury: haha
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20:00:02	pamaury	I need to check that everything match but the CBC-MAC of the headers using the zero key matches
20:00:27	nls	awesome
20:01:23	gevaerts	Why do they even bother then?
20:01:46	pamaury	because the format used by sb is horrible
20:02:00	pamaury	see the description on the wiki
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20:02:20	gevaerts	Or maybe they generated a random key and were really "lucky"
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20:03:33	Tronix286	hi all
20:03:50	pamaury	Well, I mean without reverse engineering elftosb2, it's impossible to find out since the program really uses a random key to encrypt everything and only uses the user key to encrypt the random key :D
20:04:24	Tronix286	Anybody there, who knows players with JZ47xx processors?
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20:10:07	pamaury	I think there is one player with jz47xx processor but don't know which one
20:11:26	nls	aren�t the ondas using that chip?
20:11:33	pamaury	from the config files, there are two: OndaVX777 and OndaVX747
20:11:34	nls	s/�/'/
20:15:34	bertrik	pamaury, great!
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20:22:28	pamaury	\o/ I managed to decrypt the fimware files !!!
20:22:40	pamaury	that's awesome
20:23:07	gevaerts	Well done!
20:24:34	wodz	TheSeven: can't i2c_read with address parameter have STOP after writing the address? I mean to convert i2c_read(slave_addr, address, len, buf) to i2c_write(slave_addr, -1, 1, &address); i2c_read(slave_addr, -1, len, buf);
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20:26:35	TheSeven	i don't know the details, but i know it's possible to split them somehow
20:26:46	TheSeven	(apple has them separate)
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20:27:48	wodz	TheSeven: Could you check this please? This would simplify greatly my work to unify i2c api
20:28:20	bertrik	I know that some peripherals get confused by a STOP and really need a repeated START for example
20:28:49	wodz	damn
20:29:00	bertrik	not sure if those are also used in rockbox targets though
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20:30:00	pamaury	I have updated the wiki will all information I have about encryption, I still to describe the format used by boot sections
20:30:12	pamaury	I'll attach some programs soon
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20:37:24	wodz	the only peripherial of question is nano2g pmu (pmu-nano2g.c) as uda1380 (udacodec-meizu.c) is used in irivers also and can use simple writes
20:37:38	wodz	bertrik, TheSeven ^
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20:38:31	TheSeven	i'm quite certain the PMU will accept split transfers because apple accesses it that way
20:38:51	TheSeven	the wmcodec doesn't use the higher-level protocol at all, so that should also be fine
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21:09:16	bertrik	pamaury, can you make any sense of the decrypted data, e.g. what is the host chunk, what is the play chunk?
21:13:55	kugel	can you disassemble now?
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21:57:06	pamaury	here it is, the famous firmware decrypter...
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22:03:52	TheSeven	gevaerts: damn, seems like you were right
22:04:36	gevaerts	Found an ATA driver?
22:05:08	TheSeven	found a GPIO that bypasses the CE-ATA code at least
22:05:23	TheSeven	still no traces of ATA, but that will probably be hiding in the other code path
22:05:46	TheSeven	i was already wondering why all those ce-ata transfers keep timing out as soon as they require the device to respond
22:09:17	bertrik	pamaury, what kind of key file should I use?
22:09:56	pamaury	a file containing a list of 128-bit keys in hexadecimal. For the firmware, just create a file with 00000000000000000000000000000000 in it
22:11:35	TheSeven	damn...
22:11:50	*	TheSeven spend three days on writing a driver that apparently isn't even used on his ipod
22:12:19	pamaury	bad luck
22:12:33	pamaury	but then why is there some code for it ?
22:13:32	gevaerts	The 160GB model
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22:21:05	pamaury	bertrik: I update the wiki with the boot section format
22:21:09	pamaury	*updated
22:21:25	*	TheSeven wonders what interface the 2g/3g classic are using
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22:21:49	gevaerts	I suspect ATA
22:23:22	TheSeven	any particular reasons for that suspicion?
22:24:06	gevaerts	Partly the fact that places like ifixit don't seem to have CE-ATA drives in stock or even replacement guides for them
22:24:08	TheSeven	but this means that one could sd-mod and cf-mod a classic 1g at the same time, if the software supports it :)
22:24:32	gevaerts	If the wiring is sufficiently distinct, yes :)
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23:00:01	TheSeven	hm, there are 28 GPIOs that are configured differently for ATA vs. CE-ATA
23:01:43	TheSeven	good news: we have an at least somewhat accurate datasheet for both the ata and mmc core
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23:51:16	CIA-7	New commit by 03wodz (r28697): HD300 - add basic RTC support
23:51:37	CIA-7	New commit by 03wodz (r28698): Update lang files for Set time/date screen on HD300
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23:51:50	CIA-7	New commit by 03wodz (r28699): HD300 - keymap tweaks
23:53:46	CIA-7	r28697 build result: All green
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23:57:57	eWill	FUUUUU! Ever heard of the 'battery_bench.txt' file being missing after the player shuts down???

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