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#rockbox log for 2010-11-30

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00:31:53*TheSeven gets the IDENTIFY data repeated over and over when he tries to read a sector using PIO, and when using DMA he gets no reaction at all
00:33:48CIA-7New commit by 03wodz (r28711): RTC s35380a - fix initialization.
00:35:42CIA-7r28711 build result: All green
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00:50:03TheSevengevaerts: I'll be happy to answer any S5L8700-related questions that might arise :)
00:51:17gevaertsYay :)
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01:00:33factorDoes rock box have any speech recognition software like sphinx mobile
01:02:00JdGordon|no
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01:05:42factorIs the mic activiated in rockbox fuze v2?
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01:07:57factorIs the mic activated in rockbox fuze v2?
01:08:39factorhttp://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/2010/08/pocketsphinx-is-a-perfect-fit-for-mobile/
01:09:00tmzt_g2rootit's posix though, you would half to port it somehow
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01:09:36factornice
01:09:42factorthat would be worthy
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02:54:32Guest98934hey, do any of you know how to set the sansa clip+ to MTP with rockbox
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02:58:25JdGordon|you cant
02:58:37JdGordon|rockbox usb doesnt do mtp
02:58:52Guest98934oh
02:58:54Guest98934hmm
02:58:57Guest98934thanks
02:59:08JdGordon|you can use mtp with the sansa firmware thoguh
02:59:20Guest98934what does that mean
02:59:43Guest98934oh
02:59:46JdGordon|hold left when you turn on the clip and you can use mtp
02:59:52Guest98934ah
02:59:54Guest98934cool
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03:00:55Guest98934thanks
03:02:02saratogaha the arm arch manual says that smmul is supported on arm5E, while the arm5E manual says its not
03:02:19saratogaeven arm can't figure out their stupid isa versions
03:02:27JdGordon|:)
03:02:37Guest98934even when i set it to MTP in the original firmware, it still goes to MSC
03:02:40Guest98934sorry
03:04:07advcomp2019Guest98934, rockbox usb does not use the original firmware usb mode
03:04:42saratogahas anyone profiled mpegplayer on arm9?
03:04:43Guest98934right, but i followed jdgordon's advice and it loaded the original firmware
03:05:08saratogaif you can't get the OF to work, go ask sandisk
03:05:18Guest98934ok
03:08:21Guest98934i think i found a workaround
03:08:23Guest98934thanks all!
03:08:34Guest98934using mr. gordon's suggestion
03:08:36Guest98934:-)
03:10:03saratogampegplayer could be faster on the FuzeV2 and any other arm9E players with some pretty simple tweaks to the armv6 idct
03:10:20saratogaare there any arm9e devices were cpu is actually an issue when decoding video?
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06:45:39anniehello?
06:45:52anniecan someone help me installing rockbox on my ipod?
06:46:45annieit says "error could not retrieve device name"
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06:50:15asd40195hello, can someone help me with installing rockbox on my ipod?
06:50:47asd40195I have the 4th generation ipod click wheel"
06:51:17asd40195#help
06:54:06asd40195I restored my ipod on my macbook pro and when selecting complete installation, it tells me it couldn't retrieve the ipods name?
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06:54:59asd40195"error could not retrieve devices name"
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06:58:18asd40195can anyone help me? I've tried to google this but came up with no results
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07:00:14asd40195IS ANYONE HERE????
07:01:52crwlthere's 126 people online, please wait patiently and someone with a clue will hopefully respond sooner or later
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11:28:51PurlingNayukiHi everyone.
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11:30:16PurlingNayukiI've made some nice themes and because of the fonts they contain, they're too big to upload to the theme site. What should I do?
11:30:43Tornethey're new fonts you made?
11:30:51Tornehow big are we talking here? :)
11:31:25PurlingNayukiYes, of course.
11:31:36PurlingNayukiEhh, let me have a look.
11:32:23rasherWhich definition of "made" are you using here? Did you draw it from scratch or convert it from another source?
11:32:47PurlingNayuki2MB, on average.
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11:33:07PurlingNayukiOnda's.
11:33:09PurlingNayukiOndaVX747
11:35:15Tornei mean, the theme in total
11:35:36Torneyou've got multiple fonts that are 2MB each?
11:35:39Tornethat seems like a lot :)
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11:52:18CIA-7New commit by 03wodz (r28712): HD300 - plugins keymaps
11:52:34CIA-7New commit by 03wodz (r28713): HD300 - greylib callibration data (taken from iAudio M5 - works well)
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11:54:24CIA-7r28712 build result: All green
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11:57:14pixelmaanyone with a Clip+ around willing to test a build for me?
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19:24:56st3adyHey there, I have a specific question I have been unable to find in the faq and manual. I just found out about Rockbox but before going any further with trying to install it on my fuze, I wanted to know if it has the following function:
19:26:04st3adyI listen to lectures in mp3, and I want to be able to use the scroll wheel to skip ahead/reverse in the lectures, is this possible? Also, does it allow to speed up lectures by 1.5x or 2x? Thanks.
19:26:55AlexPRockbox can of course rewind and fastforward, for the buttons see the manual - I think it is left and right not the scrollwheel
19:27:06AlexPIf you want to change the buttons you'll have to compile
19:27:16bertrikyou cannot scroll position within a track
19:27:17AlexPAnd yes, Rockbox has a time stretch feature, see the manual
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19:28:00pixelmaand you could set a skip length to just skip ahead or reverse in smaller steps in the files
19:28:44st3adycool thanks, I'll look into it
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19:37:00bertrikpamaury, do the extracted blocks by sbinfo also contain the boot commands?
19:37:57pamaurycurrently sbinfo only print them but don't actually do something with them, it only extracts the sections just like in your initial implementation
19:38:18pamaurywhat would be nice would be to produce an elf file out of it
19:38:50pamaurywith load -> elf section, fill -> bss section, call -> ?
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19:40:18pamauryor perhaps even several elf files: one for each [load; load; load; call/jump] block
19:40:29pamaury(and fill in between)
19:46:42pamaurydo you have any other idea ?
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19:51:01TheSevenhm, are there drives that don't like a single sector being read using a READ MULTIPLE command?
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19:55:05funkyjivehey guys
19:57:14funkyjiveadvice if you have any: I have a sansa e260 and I have been running rockbox for about a year I would guess. Love rockbox and want to continue with it. Last week, I updated rockbox to 2.7 and installed the VI theme (love it). A day or two later, I dropped my device and it hit a hard floor. Picked it up and it was still running ... ok no problem. Finished listening. Then when I powered it off, Rockbox did a PANIC ... (I think it complained about
19:57:29funkyjiveafter flipping it on, it was not able to boot.
19:57:38funkyjiveI kept trying. Eventually it booted.
19:57:45funkyjiveSo I went on with life.
19:58:41funkyjiveYesterday, I shut it off and then when I tried turning it back on, it just goes into this frozen mode. The ring on the front is lit up, but didn't boot. I ultimately unscrewed the back and took off the battery and put it back on. I was able to get it to boot after that ...
19:58:57funkyjiveI updated to 2.7.1 wondering if the upgrade had anything to do with it.
19:59:00gevaertsfunkyjive: have a look at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=22154.msg152893#msg152893
19:59:14gevaertsA loose flash chip is not uncommon on e200
19:59:46funkyjiveahh. ok. let me digest the contents of that.
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20:00:22gevaertsBasically open the player (using screws! No breaking things open and hoping you can get them back together here!), look for a black area, push
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20:00:50funkyjivegot it.
20:00:52funkyjiveTHANKS!
20:00:54funkyjiveI'll try that.
20:01:27funkyjiveif you have saved my player, I will owe you a beer.
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21:40:15Bushmillson the wiki it says "rockbox has been developed from scratch" - does that mean, it is a dedicated firmware, stand-alone and based on nothing, or is there an existing open source operating system underneath, with rockbox being more the "distribution" plus some gui?
21:41:31gevaertsThat second option wouldn't match the claim
21:42:15AlexPThe former
21:42:18*Buschel wonders whether faster DRAM timings (same clock!) might impact the current consumption
21:42:39Bushmillsright, but as i thought it not implausable to run on an existing OS, I wasn't sure whether the claim had to be taken literally
21:42:52saratogayou should take it literally
21:42:53AlexPYes, otherwise it wouldn't be true
21:43:00saratogaas in literally true
21:43:17saratogaBuschel: does the nano2g use the arm memory controller or a different samsung one?
21:43:48BuschelI assume it is the arm one
21:44:06saratogaso what you're working on may apply to other arm9 cores?
21:44:56Buschelthis work should be nano2g specific. but similar changes could be applied to other targets as well
21:45:18saratogai'm not sure if we ever set the memory controller on the AMS players for instance, i wonder if its possible to improve
21:46:08Buschelwell, the nano 2g dram accesses can be sped up quite a bit (at least for unboosted state)
21:46:27Buschelnot sure about the impact to battery current though...
21:46:43Buschelshould have changed 2 things (clock + dram settings) at the same time
21:46:54saratogaif you're reducing timings I would not thinkt hat makes much difference, but clocks probably do use some power
21:46:55Buschelshould *not* have changed, of course
21:47:41bertrikWe do set *something* about the DRAM for AMS, some kind of mode IIRC
21:47:54Buschelraising the clock from 192 to 201 MHz (or 24 to 25 MHz) is not that much...
21:48:14saratogafunman looked into changing the DRAM clock on the arm memory controller (IIRC it has internal clock dividers in addition to the AMS ones) but I think he gave up
21:48:23Buschelmaybe my battery capacity is just decreasing :)
21:49:10TheSevenBuschel: what did you change? you only reduced latency settings?
21:49:33TheSeventhat should actually save some current per operation, but probably causes additional current per time (in which more operations are being handled now)
21:50:11saratogaprobably a net savings though due to less boosting
21:50:23BuschelTheSeven: regarding DRAM -> yes. I also raised the clock by 4% −− but I did not think this would increase current.
21:50:54Buschelsaratoga: mpc and mp3 should not boost during lcd sleep (my use case)
21:51:12saratogawell dram has some static current associated with refreshing cells, but on top of that the dynamic current should scale linerally with clock
21:51:45saratogafaster timings just mean memory transactions take less clocks to complete, so those probably don't cost anything
21:51:48TheSeven...as long as the voltage isn't changed at least
21:51:56Bushmillsi suppose increase of current will only take place if you use the time gained for additional accesses of memory. with the same number of accesses, only taking place in shorter or longer time each, net effect should be minimal.
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21:51:59saratogacan we even change memory voltage?
21:52:03TheSevenyes
21:52:17saratogawhat an odd thing to put under software control
21:52:31TheSeventhe full power manager chip is under software control
21:52:38*Buschel needs a way to measure the current consumption woth higher precision
21:53:00TheSevenVcore, Vmem, Vio, Vnand, Vlcd, Vcodec, and maybe some more
21:53:01BuschelTheSeven: what voltage is used for DRAM?
21:53:02Bushmillsmeasure voltage over a resistor in the power leads
21:53:14TheSevenBuschel: I'm not sure... might be DOWN2 or MEMLDO
21:53:17Bushmills(small resistor :) )
21:53:18saratogachange test codec to poll the current meter continuously and then compute the total joules needed to decode a reference track
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21:53:31TheSeveni suspect DOWN2 while it's powered on and MEMLDO while in self-refresh
21:53:50Buschelsaratoga: hehe
21:53:50saratogasince quantization error in the annmeter should be zero mean, it will approach zero the longer you test for
21:54:29TheSevensaratoga: the polling itself will use non-neglegible current :/#
21:54:41TheSevenand it doesn't seem to be accurate at all
21:54:55TheSevenapparently it's always off by ~+7mA
21:55:06saratogasure but you can still gauge relative changes
21:55:17TheSevenso the only accurate solution if time comes into play is a battery shunt
21:55:21saratogai mean its obviously uncalibrated
21:55:43saratogabut do you really care about absolute accuracy? reproducibility seems more important to me
21:55:52Buschelanyone has a nano 2g running (mine is charging right now)? the debug screen shows the memory voltage
21:56:53TheSevenit's fine for detecting if one state uses more/less current than the other (even though the 1mA resolution often isn't really accurate enough for that), but if you want to calculate the joules used during a process that takes variable amounts of time, the result will be crap
21:57:16Buschelsaratoga: if there is a loss of <1 mA it will be hard to measure with the internal capabilities as 1 mA is the accuracy of this measurement
21:57:20TheSevenBuschel: running and charging aren't mutually exclusive :)
21:57:39Buschelit's in emergency disk mode
21:57:47TheSevenhm, why not charge it in rockbox?
21:57:53TheSevenmine says:
21:58:00saratogaBuschel: 1 ma is the resolution of the measurement, not its accuracy
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21:58:14Buschelsaratoga: ok ok...
21:58:19saratogaif you integrate over a long period of time you can make the resolution arbitrarily good
21:58:45saratogaif the error in the measurement is uncorrelated, you can also make the accuracy arbitrarily good, although that may not be the case
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21:58:59TheSevenAUTO: 3300mV, DOWN1: 900mV, DOWN2: 1800mV, MEMLDO: 1800mV, LDO1: 3000mV, LDO2: 3000mV, LDO3: 2600mV, LDO4: 2400mV, LDO5: 3000mV, LDO6: 3000mV
21:59:06Buschelsaratoga: I am not a native speaker, so you need to guess what I meant to say ;)
21:59:30saratogawhat I mean is that if you think of the resolution as the number of bits in the measurement, then you can make more bits by oversampling . . .
21:59:45TheSevenAUTO is the hard drive supply on the classic, unused here. DOWN1 is Vcore, DOWN2 and MEMLDO are probably the memory
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22:00:03bertrikif you have some kind of dither on the signal
22:00:21TheSevenoh, i forgot HCLDO: 3300mV
22:00:22saratogasince the signal is oscilatting at the MHz level due to the CPU clock, its already dithered
22:00:58BuschelTheSeven: 1.8V seems right. min is 1.7V, max is 1.85V (taken from DRAM data sheet)
22:01:26Buscheloops, typo: max is 1.95V
22:01:30saratogain practice you will be limited by pink noise - the slow drift in the electronics over long periods of time, but if you just want to get down to a resolution of a hundred microamps, thats not very hard to do i think
22:01:59TheSevenLDO1: still unknown (Vio?), LDO2: clickwheel, LDO3: LCD and probably the USB oscillator, LDO4: codec, LDO5: NAND, LDO6: unknown, HCLDO: accessory
22:02:16Buschelsaratoga: we could just simply use the dynamic runtime estimation patch and print out the estimated current
22:02:28saratogayeah
22:02:40TheSevenwe probably won't want to use a weighed estimate here
22:02:50TheSevenjust add up all the samples and divide them through the sample count
22:03:17TheSevenand if you want it to be accurate over different time frames, substract some correction value which is in the 6-7mA range as far as i can tell
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22:04:48Buschelwell, i could just make a dirty hack and add up all measures and divide by the amount of measures in the battery debug screen :)
22:06:17Buschelthis will work *if* the measured current is "floating around" the real current
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22:07:38BuschelTheSeven: btw, another thing. didn't you mention the nano's graphic buffer was in IRAM? it is not. there is a define which is not set.
22:08:02TheSevenno, i didn't say that
22:08:16Buschelok, then this was misunderstood
22:08:24TheSevenand i'm not sure if it would help at all
22:08:36Buschelnot from your measurements...
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22:35:19scorche|shGareth: hi - i got the email
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22:36:26Garethscorche|sh: excellent. hope it doesn't conflict with your birthday again? :)
22:37:02scorche|shGareth: for the first time in 3 years (i think), no! ;)
22:37:12Garethscorche|sh: woo! :)
22:37:13scorche|shGareth: i still need to check my schedule though
22:37:24Garethscorche|sh: okay cool. let me know.
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22:39:42Buschelaveraged current measurements show: few impact due to DRAM settings (saves 0.2 mA for unboosted), clock raised from 48->50 MHz needs +0.4 mA, 192->201 MHz needs +0.6 mA
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