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#rockbox log for 2010-12-13

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00:16:19wodzIf I set IDE_RESET line low and than high in which state the drive should be? The same as just after power on?
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00:20:59saratoga"Warning: writeback of base register when in register list is UNPREDICTABLE"
00:21:07saratogawhat does this mean
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00:27:19saratogabah it means i'm stupid
00:27:39JdGordon|:)
00:28:43saratogaanyone work out how to mount a player so that it shows up in virtualbox?
00:30:40JdGordon|which version of VB?
00:30:52JdGordon|get the oracle closed version and then you can share usb devices
00:31:02JdGordon|usb is painfully slow though
00:31:42saratogai've got the current version from oracle
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00:31:58saratogamy clip shows up as a possible VB USB device, but selecting it just crashed virtualbox
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00:33:36pixelmatrying to compile the sdl app for Windows (crosscompiling by using a linux vim), I get loads of warnings about " define for VOLUME_MIN and VOLUME_MAX is missing"
00:33:53pixelmait finally fails with "/usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/4.2.1-sjlj/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/bin/ld: unrecognized option '-z'" when building the exe
00:34:25TheSevenoh yeah, those VOLUME_MIN and VOLUME_MAX things are also cluttering my ipod classic build output :/
00:34:40TheSevenand i still don't have a clue which codec they're using!
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00:44:26pixelmaa linux vm, *doh*
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00:48:29kugelpixelma: I don't think anybody has tried that yet :)
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00:52:29pixelmakugel: ok, and now? :)
00:54:32kugelpixelma: not sure, just saying I'm not surprised it doesn't work
00:54:49kugelit might also have unix specific stuff in it
00:55:03pixelmacan I do something to figure out what's going on?
00:55:27pixelmaI'm a bit busy though these days with other things but I would try
00:56:25kugelthe warnings for volume min/max shouldn't be critical, but I don't know what the -z error is
00:56:46pixelmathe line I quoted is really the only error message
00:57:57kugelperhaps you can run with make V=1, copy the last line (which should have "-o rockboxui.exe" somewhere), remove the -z manually and paste it again in the terminal
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01:01:39kugelI think you'd need to remove "-Wl,-z,noexecstack"
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01:04:17saratogaif I have a pointer to a 16 bit array element, on armv5 the most efficient thing to do is AND off the second to last bit and then load the entire word right?
01:04:31pixelmakugel: V=1 gives me a really long line which ends in "-mwindows -mconsole -Wl,-z,defs"
01:04:53pixelmathen errors of course
01:05:48kugeltry to remove all -Wl,-z parts
01:08:16saratogaor can i do "ldr r0, [r1 -2]" to get the nearest word
01:10:15pixelmakugel: sorry, where would I remove them?
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01:21:29TheSevensaratoga: you only want 16 bits?
01:21:47saratogayeah, but i don't care about where it ends up (top or bottom half is fine)
01:22:03saratogadoes this work? ldr r4, [%2,#-2]
01:22:25*TheSeven wonders why you aren't using ldrh r4, [r2]
01:22:58TheSevenor do you want to load multiple of them at the same time?
01:23:02saratogaisn't that one cycle slower since its rotating the result?
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01:23:45*TheSeven doesn't know those details of the architecture :)
01:24:21TheSevenbut i doubt it will be slower than bic r2, r2, #3; ldr r4, [r2]
01:24:41TheSevenand i don't think you can specify sub-element size offsets
01:24:52kugelpixelma: from the last (really long) line
01:25:06pixelmaand then?
01:25:30kugelre-paste it into the terminal and execute (to run the command without the -z options)
01:27:28saratogawarning: multi-character character constant
01:27:30saratogawhat the fuck
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01:30:33kugelsaratoga: i don't think ldrh is slower
01:30:36saratogawould it have really been so hard to make gcc able to figure out what line number errors occur on if there preprocessor involved
01:30:56saratogaUnaligned word loads, load byte (LDRB), and load halfword (LDRH) instructions use the byte rotate unit in the Write stage of the pipeline. This introduces a two-cycle load-use interlock, that can affect the two instructions immediately following the load instruction.
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01:31:26kugeloh
01:34:35saratogawell it runs, although it doesn't sound right
01:34:44saratogathe offset is specified in bytes right?
01:35:53saratogaoh huh the ldm isn't aligned, i didn't realize that was even allowed
01:36:42saratogaARM cores from architecture ARMv4 or ARMv5 convert an aligned load into an aligned load with rotate (so LDR from 0x1 loads 0x1 0x2 0x3 0x0 into a register).
01:36:52saratogawell ok then
01:38:23saratogawait ldm ignores the lower to bits of an address
01:38:34saratogaso this would have just worked if i'd use ldm for everything
01:38:40kugelunaligned ldr causes data abort doesn't it=
01:38:50saratogasurprisingly no
01:38:57kugelbut I've seen them
01:39:09saratogaisn't that for instruction fetches?
01:39:47kugelthat's prefetch abort
01:40:05saratogaah no you're right, its configurable
01:40:21saratogait either rotates or data aborts depending on a register flag
01:43:03saratogahaha yes it works
01:43:15saratogaldm happily truncates my unaligned load giving me what i actually want
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01:44:45kugelsaratoga: does it also do that on armv6+? those support (true) unaligned access
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01:47:11saratogai'll have to double check
01:47:30saratogabut my guess is that it does, since that would be a pretty major change in how the instruction was encoded
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01:53:32saratogaha i can't believe this works as well as it does\
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02:02:08*kugel has bigger list item size working
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02:15:40LloreanIs there a reason the Clip+ doesn't have the backlight on hold options?
02:16:38saratoganone that i can think of
02:16:40saratogaoh
02:16:44saratogait has soft hold
02:16:48saratogaso maybe thats why
02:17:39LloreanI thought that might be it, I was just wondering if there was a discussion, or of maybe it was just a case of perhaps an IFDEF not being set right because soft hold counts different as normal hold?
02:18:26saratogaprobably a mistake
02:18:31saratogaat least that seems most likely to me
02:18:54LloreanI could see someone objecting because if you have the backlight set to "off on hold" you can't see the message telling you hold is on and there's no physical feedback.
02:19:28LloreanBut, at the same time, a user has to enable this option manually.
02:19:54*Llorean doesn't like knowing his screen will constantly come on every time his player is bumped in his pocket even with hold on.
02:20:12LloreanDefeats what to me is basically the secondary major purpose of hold. :)
02:21:13JdGordon|the backlight uses an insignificant amount of power compared to the rest of it
02:21:59the_KyleQuestion: how do I even set hold on my Clip+? I couldn't find it anywhere in the manual. It doesn't seem to be in a menu either. Is it just me?
02:22:12Lloreanthe_Kyle: select+home in the WPS
02:22:16LloreanSame combo to turn it off.
02:22:23saratogaits in the manual somewhere but not too easy to find IIRC
02:22:41LloreanYeah, I expected it to be in quick start, but since the key combo is only defined for the WPS it's in the WPS keymap.
02:22:49LloreanYou basically have to open the PDF and search for "lock"
02:22:55saratogaLlorean: think of this as a great opportunity for you to grep and learn how software hold works in rockbox ;)
02:23:06the_KyleI have the Clip+ manual for 3.7.1. I searched for lock and hold with no luck.
02:23:20Lloreanthe_Kyle: I found it when searching for lock no problem.
02:23:38saratogaits 4.3.1. WPS Key Controls
02:23:43saratogai remember adding it a while ago
02:23:47the_KyleHmmm. Don't know how I missed it then.
02:23:59Lloreansaratoga: It's tempting. I can't imagine it's a hugely complex change anyway.
02:24:02*the_Kyle looks at 4.3.1
02:24:20saratogayeah its probably not
02:24:39LloreanI was more wondering if it was intentionally left out and there was a discussion I could reference, or if it's just a question that hasn't been addressed yet.
02:27:53*the_Kyle must have been tired when he looked at the manual. There it is, plain as day. Sorry bout that.
02:32:00pixelmaLlorean: maybe have a look at the Recorder? I believe it has soft hold too and backlight... hmm *my* Ondio does too actually
02:32:19pixelmaI can't remember seeing backlight on hold options though
02:34:57pixelmathey aren't there indeed. I wonder though if the subtle difference of soft hold only being active in the WPS has something to do with it
02:35:46LloreanI'd guess it's just a missing define or otherwise not thinking hold is present.
02:37:28saratogaLlorean: backlight.c pops up if you grep BUTTON_HOLD
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02:37:57saratogamy guess is that backlight_hold_changed being available only if theres a physical hold button is the problem
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03:01:50CIA-7New commit by 03kugel (r28821): Android: Protect lcd updates with a mutex. ...
03:03:52JdGordon|kugel: your phone shows 0% cpu usage right? when you reopen rockbox is it actually still runing the service?
03:04:11CIA-7r28821 build result: All green
03:04:15kugelyes, it's running all the time
03:05:15JdGordon|interesting... stock froyo on my phone seems to happily kill the service but rockbox is still in the process listing
03:07:07kugelkill how?
03:08:18kugelI found that kill apps act strange there, so that the our bootsplash comes up even though rockbox is still running
03:08:29krabadorcan i ask you what's the android reference version for the rockbox development ?
03:08:30kugelbut force stop works correctly
03:08:31JdGordon|yes, thats what im seeing
03:09:10kugelI don't know for sure, but I suspect that the kill apps only kill the service's main thread, but not the other threads it spawns (if that's even possible)
03:09:45JdGordon|im not running a task manager, its android itself killing it
03:10:13kugelOOM killer or force stop? force stop works fine for me
03:10:38JdGordon|oom, except plenty of free ram so i dont know why it is bothering
03:11:41kugelperhaps we're not handling this situation correctly. I don't know what the kill apps do but I read they can't kill reliably on froyo anymore and need some workaround
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03:13:42JdGordon|I'm not talking about the kill apps
03:14:11kugelyes
03:15:07kugelbut both OOM killer and the apps kill somehow differently than force stop, which doesn't work correctly for rockbox
03:15:34JdGordon|we arent crashing though which is nice
03:17:30kugelandroid never closed the service on my phone so far
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03:22:56the_KyleWhere are keymappings defined? If I'm reading the WPS controls correctly, I'd like to try something.
03:25:23JdGordon|apps/keymaps/keymap-<target>.c
03:27:36the_KyleI found keymap-clip.c. Is clip+ using this keymap slso?
03:27:48the_Kyles/slso/also
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03:54:55the_KyleMy bright idea is to try to map power+select to WPS_HOTKEY on the Clip+. I don't know if this will work, but I'm giving it a try, since down repeat is already being mapped to show playlist.
03:55:12the_KyleAnd I don't see a mapping for power+select.
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03:56:43the_KyleI'm definitely keeping the HAVE_HOTKEY define check, since this is only a test at this point, and I don't want it used unless the define is set explicitly for now.
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04:06:00the_Kylebuilding
04:10:10*the_Kyle panicked unnecessarily for a second because he thought he coded wront. This turned out not to be the case. Resuming build.
04:10:19the_Kylewrong
04:11:05*the_Kyle is basing the choice of hotkey map on the previous and next directory functions.
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04:12:04the_KyleUsing the power key as a modifier just seems like a good idea to me. Comments are welcome if this does indeed work.
04:13:06the_KyleBuild resule: all green.
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04:22:10JdGordon|the_Kyle: please dont do that "Build result" line... it actually has a use and your private build is something only yuou care about
04:22:33the_KyleMy apology.
04:27:15the_KyleI have WPS_HOTKEY working on the Clip+, and so far it doesn't seem to interfere with anything.
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04:28:01the_KyleAnd we can keep the down repeat mapping for view playlist.
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04:30:16the_KyleIf there's no objections, I'll send up a patch for testing.
04:30:30the_KyleLooks very good here.
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04:56:09the_KyleOops. I'm having a problem creating my patch. My hotkay patch touches one of the files touched by the USB patch, so the diff is trying to bring in some of the USB work into my hotkey patch. Is there any way to get around this and still keep my USB patch applied locally?
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05:02:22JdGordon|the_Kyle: diff files are just plaintext, you can manually remove the parts which arent what you want
05:02:30JdGordon|or svn diff <filename> to only get the one file
05:02:38JdGordon|also, I wouldnt hold your breath for that sort of change
05:04:02the_KyleSo this is better as a local build? I thought other Clip+ users could use the WPS hotkey if this gets some testing.
05:04:59the_KyleIt would just need to be worked out how to get around changing the hotkey for those Clips that already have it defined, if there are any.
05:08:09saratogai think we didn't add hotkey to the clip due to lack of buttons
05:10:25the_KyleI tried to choose a button combination that wasn't already being used on the Clip. Power is already being used as a modifier for previous and next directory, and power+select isn't being used.
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05:22:47the_KyleNone of the Clips defines HAVE_HOTKEY. Unfortunately, I can only speak for the Clip+ when I say that my hotkey combination works without causing interference with other button functions. I don't know what the buttons are like on any other Clip.
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05:27:18Gourd_CaptainWhen I play a MIDI file on Rockbox 3.7.1 on a Sansa Fuze v2, about half the time it lists "MALLOC BARF" five or six times on the screen and crashes.
05:36:20saratogathe FuzeV2 doesn't really have enough RAM to play most MIDI files I think
05:36:53Gourd_CaptainAh.
05:37:01*Gourd_Captain looks for mp3 versions then.
05:39:17Gourd_CaptainWow, 32 MB? I remember when my main desktop had that much.
05:40:21saratogayeah i think 32MB is needed to play most midi files
05:41:57saratogawhat are the SVN user names again? FirstLast or our screennames?
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05:43:30CIA-7New commit by 03saratoga (r28822): Make the midiplugin's out of memory error more obvious to people who don't know what malloc is.
05:43:33saratogathere got it
05:45:36CIA-7r28822 build result: All green
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06:13:38Gourd_CaptainWow. I actually caused a SVN update. Admittedly, based entirely on me being slightly obtuse...
06:13:58*Gourd_Captain does know what malloc is, I was just wondering if I'd screwed something up with installing the MIDI patch files.
06:14:21Gourd_CaptainIs there any way to get out of that "MALLOC BARF" screen if it happens?
06:14:37*Gourd_Captain tried holding back, and in the end the only thing that worked was powering off the device.
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06:52:54ej0rgeHey, question. I performed the RTC mod on my h120 a few years ago. Been a while since i updated rockbox on it because my daily DAP is my beast. I notice that the RTC mod is no longer an option when building RB. What gives?
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07:00:28ej0rgeNevermind. Didn't realize the text had wrapped.
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08:43:51BuschelTheSeven: I get 258 fps as well when using LCD_PHTIME=0x00. but without any IRAM usage. this is because the RAM latency can be hidden (see FS #11807, v09)
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08:50:12wodzTheSeven: ping
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08:57:52wodzTheSeven: for the logs - I think that you can protect ata constatnts defines with #if !(defined (ROCKBOX_BIG_ENDIAN) && !defined(ATA_SWAP_WORDS)
08:58:53wodzshifted constants are only for big endians if they do not swap bytes in ata words
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09:01:33wodzTheSeven: ROCKBOX_BIG_ENDIAN is set in autoconf.h
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09:55:45TheSevenwodz: that doesn't really seem clean to me
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10:05:17CodeAlexusI can't seem to figure out the mountpoint for my sansa clip
10:06:52pixelmamaybe your clip is still in MTP mode? I'd guess that would make it harder
10:07:51CodeAlexushow would i go about changing that? It shows up in my computer, but it doesnt have a drive letter or anything
10:08:03wodzTheSeven: why - it is based on the origin of the different constants
10:08:34CodeAlexus...wat...
10:08:36[Saint]CodeAlexus: You need to set it to MSC (if it isn't already) in the Original Firmware
10:08:55TheSevenis this really consistent, i.e. will *every* big endian target have it that way?
10:09:13pixelmaCodeAlexus: it's a setting in the OF (something like "System > USB mode" or so)
10:09:15TheSeven(even future ones)
10:09:36TheSevenif yes, I would define them based on endianness in some ATA header instead of the target tree
10:10:43CodeAlexusahah, never saw that setting before, ty very much
10:11:10wodzTheSeven: we never know but IF ata is connected to system bus for big endian bytes will be shifted (unless engineers decide to swap bytes in ata words as done in archoses and mpios)
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10:13:15wodzwell there is always possibility to randomly connect ata bus lines to system bus :-)
10:13:22[Saint]Buschell: My apologies for not getting back to you sooner about your Nano2G LCD patch, I had some issues to deal with IRL.
10:13:42wodz[Saint]: have you looked at hd300 svg?
10:14:26[Saint]Both "dark" and "bright" LDS176s seem to handle it in the same way...I really wish I knew *why* there were "dark" LDS176 LCDs
10:15:00[Saint]wodz: Briefly, I'm going to get stuck into it tonight.
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10:19:26[Saint]Buschell: Even though I know I might never know what the difference is between the two, if there is one...to give you an idea, the "bright" LCDs I have set to Brightness 32, and the "dark" screens I need to have set to Brightness 44 (46 is too bright, but in the wrong way) and it is still visibly darker then the "bright" screens.
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10:23:28[Saint]TheSeven: You've mentioned before that there's three LCD types (known) for the Nano2G, but the code only points to there being two known types...what does the third type get detected as?
10:24:03[Saint]...or has it not been seen in the wild?
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10:37:09CIA-7r28823 build result: All green
10:39:45wodzIs there a way to know that ata drive 'accepted' hardware reset? I mean to read some register which should change on hard reset
10:51:57StummiI tried the voice for rockbox (espeak). When i use english it works fine. But when i want to use german voice, it seems that espeak uses the english voice for pronouncing the (german) words. Can i configure this anywhere?
10:54:07pixelmaStummi: do you already have a German espeak voice?
10:54:12Stummiyes
10:54:45Stummi"espeak −−voices=de" shows some rows
10:54:59pixelmaand what do you use for voice file building (OS and Rockbox utility or some other method)?
10:55:34Stummi"make voice" from an SVN Build (on debian testing)
10:56:34pixelmayou have to have an eye on the encoder settings where you can chose a voice
10:56:57pixelma(I mean the TTS setting)
10:57:21StummiTTS_OPTS?
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10:58:51Stummiok, output on building looks good ("TTS Engine (options): espeak (-v de)"). I will see if this works then. Thanks
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11:00:25*[Saint] has wondered for some time if there is a "build all" flag for building voicefiles.
11:00:39pixelmaStummi: can't remember all the details at the moment
11:01:30[Saint]I really can't be bothered building all the relevant voicefiles by hand...I'm sure there will be such a thing, but I haven't found it yet.
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11:09:44wodzHmm MPIO OF performs turn off/turn on flip on disk power line when connecting usb. Maybe they screwed up ATA_RESET line handling on hardware level and cutting off power is the only way to hard reset the drive
11:13:04TheSeven[Saint]: There are indeed three LCD types, two of which share the command set for the update region setup, which is why they only need two drivers
11:13:21TheSevenand yes, those two ones both have the LDS176 command set :)
11:13:31TheSevencan you check the LCD_DETECT values in diagmode?
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11:14:22TheSevenLCD_DETECT0: 1, LCD_DETECT1: 0 is one of them (the one i have) LCD_DETECT0: 0, LCD_DETECT1: 0 is the other one (user890104 has one, but they seem to be rather rare)
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11:15:34TheSeventhose values can be found on the second page of "others" => "status"
11:17:59[Saint]TheSeven: where am I looking for that info? I needed to grab it for liar once also on my devices, buggered if I can find it now though.
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11:18:51TheSevendiagmode => others => status => second page (press select)
11:20:26[Saint]hmmm...all 1, 0 around at the moment.
11:20:45[Saint]there's another "dark" screened Nano2G in the car though.
11:21:43[Saint]Interestingly though...the first page of Status has some very obvious garbage on the screen on this Nano2g
11:24:17[Saint]everything under "Regn:0x0000 0xe353" is just a bunch of...I wouldn't even call them chars, just randomly plotted groups of pixels.
11:24:41[Saint]then after that, the "ACTION to change page..." comes up fine.
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11:26:05TheSevenyes, that's a known issue
11:26:54[Saint]emBIOS issue?
11:27:30TheSevenpartially
11:27:46TheSevendiagmode doesn't find the sysconfig on the boot flash and handles that a bit badly
11:28:41[Saint]ah...right. "meh"...at least the main parts work.
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12:22:47Stummii just got an ipod 2g. Connected it to my pc and the screen says, that i shall not disconnect it from pc. It isn't mounted, so is this message wrong?
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12:23:55Tornethe ipod doesn't know if it's mounted or not
12:24:17Torneit brings up that message as soon as it's enumerated by the host and it only goes away when you send the device a disconnect message (i.e. eject it)
12:24:53Tornemass storage devices have no way of knowing if the host has mounted them or not
12:27:26Stummiok
12:28:15Torneif you're on linux you should be able to make it think it's ok to disconnect by running "eject /dev/sdb" or whichever device it is
12:28:27Tornebut then you won't be able to mount it again unless you unplug/replug the device physically
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12:57:46Stummihm, i made now the svn-build for ipod 2g, made a fullinstall and installaed the bootloader with ipodpatcher. It says "Can:t load rockbox.ipod: Bas checksum".. the sums are 2D38077 and 2D380A2
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13:10:12amee2ki just put the new battery in my ipod. do i need to reset anything?
13:10:35amee2kor do anything else besides plugging it in
13:15:12Torneno.
13:15:31amee2kgood :)
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13:19:43amee2kits charging now and continues to run when i unplug the USB briefly
13:20:23amee2kit'll need a couple cycles until the battery has its peak capacity and the charge controller has calibrated itself,eh?
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13:31:37Torneno, not really
13:31:50Tornecharging in this kind of device is usually totally dumb
13:32:26Tornejust uses voltage on the battery and the theoretical charge/discharge curve for the battery chemsitry
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16:05:29[Saint]Stummi: I can't see if anyone else replied, as apparently I disconnected in that time...but "Can't load rockbox.ipod: Bad checksum" usually means that you installed the wrong build for the device.
16:06:13Stummi[Saint], yes, just solved this. I accidantly made the ipod 2g build for the ipod nano 2g :)
16:06:53[Saint]Good to know ;)
16:07:02[Saint]Glad you got it sorted.
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16:07:40[Saint]Make sure to download the iLike theme for it lol, I worked hard on that ;p
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16:09:32burnhi there, when I'm using rockbox on an ipod mini v2, it can't reboot properly when making the database
16:09:43burncan't find anything about it on the internet
16:09:52burn"abort on data" is the error
16:09:59[Saint]define "can't boot properly"
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16:10:12burnwhen I delete the .rockbox\config\database.* it works
16:10:15burnagain
16:10:21burnbut I can't make a database
16:10:37[Saint]ah...do you mean "data abort <numbers>"?
16:10:52burn[Saint]: yeah, indeed, sorry
16:11:26burnI can't find a proper way to reboot the Ipod :/
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16:11:58[Saint]the "propper" way is to simply hold the "Play" button until the iPod shuts down.
16:12:07[Saint]this is in the Manual.
16:12:18burnyeah, but then it boots the apple software
16:12:26burnit doesn't seem to shutdown
16:13:10[Saint]that seems quite wrong to me.
16:13:15burnData abort at 00004437C (0)
16:13:22burn[Saint]: ok, now it does, but the error stays
16:14:22[Saint]Is it immediate, or does it attempt to build the database and then fail?
16:14:36[Saint]there's a chance you have a track with corrupt ID3 info
16:14:37burnit builds the database, when I reboot the device, it fails to boot
16:15:03burnyeah, there are multiple tracks without I3D
16:15:09burnid3*
16:15:50burndo I have to delete those songs?
16:15:58[Saint]having no ID3 info isn't an issue at all, but broken/corrupted tags can certainly cause this.
16:16:21[Saint]it might pay to check the disk for filesystem errors also.
16:16:53burnow, how can I do that?
16:19:59[Saint]Stummi: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-c6df4060.html is the current development version of: http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=973&target=ipodnano2g if you wanted to check it out.
16:20:16[Saint]burn: Are you using Windows or *nix?
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16:23:12burn[Saint]: lunix
16:23:32tmztwith usb?
16:23:36tmztimpressive
16:23:47tmztispxxxx on the usr port?
16:23:56burnyes, usb
16:24:02burnlatest Ubuntu
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16:31:02Stummi[Saint], lol
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16:31:28[Saint]Stummi: My little laugh at Apple's expense ;)
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16:31:50[Saint]There's an iPod Video and Colour/Photo port in the making also ;)
16:33:01[Saint]burn: To check the filesystem on *nix, you might want to get familiar with the fsck command.
16:36:01Stummi[Saint], i am missing the animated scrolling menu-change :p
16:36:36[Saint]that's one of the very few things RB won't let me do ;p
16:36:44Stummi(ok, you don't can do this only with theme file)
16:37:10[Saint]that, and the "volume comes flying in from the side of the screen" thing.
16:37:36[Saint]...it's pretty close though.
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16:40:17Stummi[Saint], yes
16:40:24Stummianyway, nice work :)
16:41:00Stummihm, my ipod nano 2g sometime freezes when i plug it in
16:42:02[Saint]freezes in what way?
16:43:08Stummiit does not appear in the file system (and not as dev-file) and i can't do anything with it but commiting an reset (press menu and select for a few seconds)
16:43:43burn[Saint]: got it fixed by removing most of the audio files
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16:44:17[Saint]burn: that points to corrupt ID3 info almost certainly.
16:44:31burnindeed, thanks for your fast reply
16:44:36[Saint]next step would be finding out which file(s) are triggering it.
16:46:28[Saint]Stummi: If it doesn't mount when it's connected, it should be fairly safe to just disconnect it and use Play to shut the device down.
16:46:47[Saint]Using Menu+Select is a "Only when necessary" thing.
16:46:52Stummi[Saint], i can't. How i said, the device freezed
16:47:21[Saint]it should always recognise Play, that's quite weird.
16:47:27StummiIt don't react on any actions. When i disconnect it, it stays on the pluged-in-image
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16:49:43[Saint]Stummi: Does it do the same if you put it into disk mode manually before connecting? That isn't much of a workaround though, as you'll still need to "hard reset" the device to get out of disk mode unless you have emBIOS installed.
16:51:06Stummimoment
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16:52:55[Saint]I have my suspicions it's some *nix/USB related thing though...I have no mounting troubles here on XP/Vista or 7
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16:53:44Stummi[Saint], ok, in disk mode it does not make this problems
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16:55:19[Saint]Well, that's a good thing. But hardly ideal.
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17:29:34JamoHi ive just put rockbox on my ipod 5.5g and i clicked the failsafe theme by mistake it didnt revert and i cant see any text
17:29:49Jamoits just the old themes icons
17:30:42[Saint]jamo, as you boot the iPod as soon as the screen comes on switch hold to on.
17:30:49[Saint]this will reset your config.
17:31:49Jamoah ok thx
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18:58:30LambdaCalculus37n1s: Ping, I took your advice and updated FS #7505. Aside from the signed/unsigned warning, it's building now.
18:59:05n1snice
18:59:49LambdaCalculus37Would any of the Gigabeat owners like to give the patch another kick around?
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19:00:13*LambdaCalculus37 wants to know if the patch may work for the Gigabeat X as well...
19:05:30the_KyleTesting fs#11541. There's some good stuff in here, and it makes quick access to certain information possible. I still need "Show track info", "File properties" and "view playlist" spoken, however, and this patch doesn't address that issue. I'll file the bug report for that.
19:10:10LambdaCalculus37the_Kyle: Perhaps you could try to see if you can add that in?
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19:11:49[Saint]the_Kyle: fwiw, you shouldn;t file a bug report against a patch on the tracker.
19:12:08[Saint]simply mention your concerns in the patches comments section.
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19:32:52saratogaanyone have an opinion at all on the resume patch on the tracker
19:33:42[Saint]the one that tries to replace bookmarking?
19:33:53[Saint](somewhat)
19:35:26[Saint]11748?
19:35:40saratogayeah
19:36:09AlexPWell, I'm not too keen on the database requirement, but seeing as I'm not going to fix it I won't complain to much
19:36:19sideralI like it ;)
19:36:39[Saint]I'm a bit "meh" about it simply because iiuc its the same as the current bookmarking implementation (or how it should work).
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19:36:45[Saint]and it being tied to the database.
19:36:58[Saint]you're biased sideral ;p
19:37:36[Saint]I lean more towards fixing up bookmarking if it doesn't meet the ruquirements it could/should do.
19:37:44sideralAs I explained in the tracker discussion, I don't think this feature would go well with with bookmarking
19:38:07sideralBookmarking takes snapshots of playlists, whereas this feature works on the track level
19:38:21sideralactually both features coexist quite nicely
19:38:30AlexPYeah, I see it as being complementary
19:38:45AlexPI just wish it didn't force me to have the bloody database up and running
19:38:48AlexP+ :)
19:38:58saratogaI reveiwed the playback.c changes and they look fine to me
19:39:08saratogathe database is the correct way to do this
19:39:18saratogahaving a duplicate of the database for resuming is not a good approach
19:39:48the_KyleI hadn't planned to file a bug report against the patch. Sorry for the confusion. The voicing of track info/file properties/playlist view should be done independently of fs#11541, but I was hoping the patch would partialy address the issue for now.
19:39:49AlexPwell as I say, I'm not going to do anythign about it, so I'm won't object overly. I'm just registering my dislike :)
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19:40:12saratogasideral: this reminds me, what happens if you try to resume a track thats not in the database (because autoupdate is off)
19:40:33sideralYou guys should be proud of your database. It's better than any other player's DB I've ever seen
19:40:43AlexPOne of the nice things about Rockbox is that it lets you do stuff without forcing a sodding database on you. But if it isn't doable sensibly without, then OK
19:40:48AlexPsideral: That isn't saying much
19:41:02webguest47does rockbox copy music slower? is that due to the highe file quality?
19:41:06saratogais there any real cost aside from a bit of audio buffer to having the database on if you don't use it ?
19:41:09sideralsaratoga: It wouldn't save/restore bookmarks in this case
19:41:19saratogaok
19:41:20sideralJust like the runtimedb data wouldn't get loaded/saved
19:41:28AlexPSo it really forces you to waste RAM on having the database loaded to ram?
19:41:33saratogai wonder if it would be possible to automatically add tracks to the DB in that case?
19:41:37AlexPAs autoupdate doesn't work otherwise
19:41:52[Saint]webguest47: You're being a little vague, rockbox won't magically make your music higher quality.
19:42:00AlexPQuite a lot of RAM with lots of files
19:42:21TorneYeah, my db is 1.6MB
19:42:22sideralsaratoga: Nice idea!
19:43:08saratogayeah but is it reasonable to do? i'm not sure if you can just call the metadata update function on random files
19:43:15AlexPMind you, if it isn't loaded to RAM there would be a 5 second pause before starting any track
19:43:17saratogaalthough actually maybe you can
19:43:18webguest47okay, well in itunes it would take maybe an hour or so to copy like 6gb of music, and I notice that rockbox is not recognized by itunes, so I just copy and pasted the playlist into the HDD state of the ipod
19:43:31AlexPSo you are pretty much forced to load it to RAM
19:43:43Tornewebguest47: our usb mass storage implementation is not as fast as the OF on all models, unfortunatey
19:43:45sideralsaratoga: I haven't looked into that yet, it's outside the scope of my patch
19:44:01saratogaAlexP: why can't you just leave it on disk and use the file browser?
19:44:13saratogasurely having to spin up the disk on track change isn't a serious issue
19:44:22AlexPsaratoga: As if it checks the database on every resume it'll have to spin up the disk
19:44:30AlexPWhich doesn't happen with dircache
19:44:47AlexPSo you browse, select a file, then have to wait for a disk spin up for it to check resume points
19:44:55webguest47oh, well i geuss thats the trade off of essentially unlocking and rejuvenating my ipod photo
19:45:11sideralwell, it has the same overhead / requirement as the runtime DB / autoscoring features
19:45:17Tornewebguest47: you can boot the original firmware if you want, or the disk mode
19:45:31AlexPsideral: Which aren't things you would want without the db, this you would IMO
19:45:37Tornewebguest47: it doesn't matter which mode it's in when you copy files over, it's all the same filesystem
19:45:56webguest47its in diskmode right now, and wins est. the trans at 10h+
19:46:09saratogaah i see what you're getting at
19:46:20sideralAlexP: I understand that you want this feature, but I see no way of providing it cleanly without the DB. The normal bookmarking feature is your best bet.
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19:46:28[Saint]well...if it's in diskmode...it's using Apple code.
19:46:34[Saint]webguest47: ^
19:46:39saratogathen yes in that case having a way to auto enter tracks into the database would be nice, then you could have a database in RAM that only contained tracks with resume info, which would likely be quite small
19:46:43Tornewebguest47: the disk mode is not our code, and it may also be slower than the original firmware
19:46:50gevaertsWait, what does "diskmode" mean here?
19:46:53AlexPsaratoga: Yes, that'd be nice
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19:47:04AlexPI'd live with that :)
19:47:11GodEaterkugel: I got it working again after I upgraded my ndk to r5 like you
19:47:25saratogain the long run also having a way to load only parts of the DB into RAM might be nice
19:47:43GodEaterkugel: although I still think some of the scripts need updating, as they're looking for adb in the wrong place now, since it moved to platform-tools
19:47:47webguest47yeah im new to this hacking mp3 player thing
19:47:49sideralWhat are the typical RAM sizes of players nowadays?
19:47:56saratoga8-64MB
19:48:03Torneor 2MB
19:48:06saratogaalthough its all over the place
19:48:17saratogai don't expect to see any new players with less then 8
19:48:22AlexPso having to load a full 1.6 MB database to disk is a bit of a waste on low mem player
19:48:37Tornewebguest47: there's three different ways to connect the ipod as a disk: under the original apple firmware, under the apple emergency disk mode (select+play on start), or under rockbox
19:48:42saratogayeah but you probably won't have so large of a db on a clip since it has 4GB of storage space
19:48:46Tornewebguest47: all three of these will likely run at different speeds
19:48:50saratogaunless you fill it with nothing but SPC files :)
19:48:55AlexPsaratoga: fuze are 8GB + 32 GB microSD
19:48:59TorneYeah, my 1.6MB database is from 60GB of files ;)
19:49:03saratogaFuze is 8MB
19:49:16AlexPyeah, so a quarter of RAM on the db (I exagerate a little)
19:49:23saratogawhich is fine
19:49:29saratogaits a flash player, the RAM is useless otherwise
19:49:30AlexPyes, on flash I suppose so
19:49:42saratogaas long as its not 100% of the ram we're ok
19:50:03AlexPEither way, I would much prefer the adding files to an otherwise empty db thing
19:50:04saratogathe only target where that might be a serious problem is the c200v2, but fortunately no one on Earth has that target
19:50:08AlexPIf possible
19:50:23sideralAlexP: How would you ever make the resume positions persistent without spinning up the disk?
19:50:26gevaertsThis wouldn't be the first feature we have that requires the database
19:50:32webguest47it shows up as like a 60gb "ext. drive" on my pc, before i nuked the original ipod os i check that enable disk box
19:50:46saratogayou'd probably have to have some way to cache DB entries in RAM for all tracks on the current playlist
19:50:58saratogabasically integrate buffering and the DB more tightly
19:51:14saratogai'm not sure how good of an idea that is though given the endless problems we have with buffering issues
19:51:14AlexPsideral: I basically object to having to have the full db loaded to ram
19:51:18*gevaerts suspects that AlexP doesn't use picturefow :)
19:51:27AlexPInstead of just those that have resume points
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19:51:31AlexPgevaerts: indeed not :)
19:51:37saratogaIMO one of the nice things about the database is that its *not* tightly coupled to the mess that is buffering.c and playback.c
19:51:55*sideral agrees with saratoga
19:52:04[Saint]webguest47: what do you mean "before i nuked the original ipod os"?
19:52:13saratogait also helps that it was sanely designed by one person, rather then organically evolved over the course of a decade by 100 different people
19:52:18[Saint]You do realise the Apple FW is still there, right?
19:52:24[Saint]webguest47: ^
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19:52:37webguest47i cleared all the files off of the ipod when it was in disk mode
19:52:46[Saint]that does nothing.
19:52:51webguest47the size of those files was a little more than the music
19:52:52webguest47...
19:52:52[Saint]like literally nothing.
19:52:56AlexPsaratoga: Do you know if your add individual files idea is possible?
19:53:03gevaertsI would object to adding features that require the database without thinking about it, but if it appears that dropping the database requirement makes the feature less useful or feasible, then I don't see a problem
19:53:12saratogai'm not sure i don't understand the guts of the database yet
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19:53:28[Saint]webguest47: all you did was clear the music you laoded with iTunes out...that is all.
19:53:45sideralBTW, jdgordon commented that my patch 0001 (to english.lang) should be done differently
19:53:46webguest47dammit
19:53:46AlexPsaratoga: Well, if it is doable I'd much prefer that - it keeps the patch as it is without unduly imposing on non database people
19:53:46[Saint]the next time you boot the OF, those files (minus the music) will be there again.
19:53:52[Saint]the OF always recreates them.
19:53:56AlexPsaratoga: If it isn't then I'll shut up :)
19:54:02kugelAlexP: surely the disk needs to spin anyway for resuming?
19:54:05sideralby deprecating the old value first, then introducing a new one
19:54:10saratogait should probably be a separate patch after the main one goes in
19:54:15AlexPkugel: er, er, shut up!
19:54:15sideralcan anyone be somewhat more specific?
19:54:39AlexPkugel: I can't believe that a) I didn't think of that and that b) nobody pointed it out :)
19:54:44saratogasideral: basically you need to be careful when changing the lang strings so that people who have voice files already generated don't end up with broken voice (and no easy way to fix it)
19:54:45kugeldircache only caches the filesystem part, not actual file data
19:54:48webguest47okay from what I get from this is that the original Ipod OS is saved to some sort of like ROM memory?
19:54:49AlexPyes
19:54:54AlexP@ kugel
19:55:01webguest47and it just dual boots with rockbox
19:55:04kugelI was wondering too why nobody pointed it out :P
19:55:13sideralI thought I specifically wasn't changing any lang IDs
19:55:16saratogaunfortunately i don't know anything about voice, although other people here do
19:55:19AlexPOK, then in that case I withdraw my objections
19:55:37AlexPI don't mind initialising the db on disk, I objected to the waste of RAM
19:56:04sideralexcellent, thanks AlexP :)
19:56:05kugelGodEater: the commit message said r5 is now required
19:56:17[Saint]webguest47: the original firmware is on a seperate partition on the disk.
19:56:35sideralHow does one deprecate a lang item?
19:56:35saratogaactually i wonder if we could just call add_tagcache on files that weren't in the database as we found them
19:56:36GodEaterkugel: well I never said it wasn't me being dumb ;)
19:56:46GodEaterin fact, I absolutely assumed I was
19:56:54kugelhehe ok :)
19:56:58GodEater:D
19:57:01AlexPsideral: And btw, I hope I didn't come across as unduly negative, we all appreciate more contributions. I just wanted to check it through :)
19:57:30sideralsaratoga: Sounds like a nice second project −− once my first one commits ;)
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19:57:53sideralAlexP: No worries −− no offense taken!
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19:59:14Slasherisaratoga: you could call add_tagcache() whenever db has been locked and prepared for adding new files. And commit() when all files have been added.
19:59:28saratogawow Slasheri
19:59:33kugelSlasheri: hey o/
19:59:36saratogai didn't know you were still around
19:59:39Slasherihi :)
19:59:44Slasheriyes, i am still here ;)
19:59:51kugelhe's got database and tagcache on his ping word list :)
19:59:58Slasherijust watching around
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20:00:02AlexPgood god, ghosts!
20:00:04saratogaso basically check that the db is init'ed and then call add_tagcache() ?
20:00:16saratogaSlasheri: we finally have database logging
20:00:20AlexPsideral: Slasheri implemented the db btw
20:00:26saratogai've already fixed one metadata parser crash with it
20:00:36sideralAlexP: I know :)
20:00:44Slasherisaratoga: i saw that and that looks perfect (because it can be enabled/disabled by user so there is no performance penalty)
20:01:02Slasherihi sideral :)
20:01:07saratogai think we should be able to greatly improve the stability of the database building process shortly
20:01:43sideralHi Slasheri, thanks for chiming in!
20:01:47saratogaSlasheri: do you know anything about the occasional reports people have of duplicated db entries?
20:01:49webguest47okay so after the itunes disk mode activation and the rockbox install
20:02:00Slasherisaratoga: you should check tagcache_build(), it has all the initialization necessary before using add_tagcache()
20:02:02webguest47you need to take it out of HDD mode
20:02:08webguest47?
20:02:54Slasherisaratoga: still that issue? no idea, but is there some specific bug reports?
20:03:12saratogararely someone reports it
20:03:24kugelGodEater: wanna try http://pastie.org/1373746 ? it makes list items bigger
20:03:32kugelmore thumb friendly
20:03:33saratogaif i got a copy of the tagcache files is there some way to parse them and see what happened?
20:03:34Slasheriinteresting.. so those are real duplicates on the db, not just duplicate files on disk?
20:03:40sideralSlasheri, have you had a chance to look at my resume patch (FS #11748)?
20:03:47saratogai'm not sure
20:04:21kugelthe last case of duplicated entries I had was indeed duplicated files (scanning the same dir twice due to symlinks)
20:04:31Slasherisaratoga: it would be best if you could find a way to reproduce that issue reliable
20:05:05saratogayeah i'm not even sure if its a real issue
20:05:15saratogawas thinking that looking at the db binary might clear that up
20:05:44Slasherisideral: i took a quick look over it and personally i would prefer storing that kind of metadata in the db, but obviosly not everybody likes that idea
20:06:29kugelSlasheri: if you have more time can you have a look at http://pastie.org/1373752 ? it introduces search roots to make the db usable on RaaA
20:06:59Slasherikugel: checking :)
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20:07:32sideralSlasheri: we,
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20:08:02kugelbasically, it ignores symlinks, unless they point outside of any of the search roots (in which case the link target is added as another search root). that eliminates symlink loops
20:08:21sideralSlasheri: well, I did not get much strong opposition lately
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20:12:29wodzthis looks quite interesting: http://www.fgrim.com/libmsvg/
20:12:53pixelmawhat for?
20:13:09n1ssideral: what happens if a file that is played has both the new resume info and a bookmark?
20:13:40sideralThe bookmark takes precedence if you use it to play the file
20:14:38sideralIf you play the file through some other means (playlist, file browser, from the DB) then the resume position is taken from the DB
20:15:13n1sthe manual will need some tweaking then
20:15:55webguest47hmm its still taking long to copy
20:16:14n1soh, and, yes the lang changes will break voice files on targets that didn't have the lcd_sleep feature before
20:16:14webguest47but now i can use my ipod as a remote in itune
20:16:19gevaertssideral: what if a file with stored resume position appears in a playlist? Where does it start?
20:16:19pixelmasideral: and if all the files in your list have a resume info will it take the old for each and every file so I may only get half a file each?
20:16:21sideraln1s: definitely. I am standing by with any manual changes until I know what exactly will be accepted
20:16:32n1ssideral: cool
20:17:24pixelmathe_Kyle: how do you propose speaking all the different info that comes from the tags - there would be a lot of talk clips for each or something else?
20:17:39sideralgaeverts: It depends on your configuration ;) It can be resumed or started anew, depending on whether it's a "resumable" file. What constitutes a "resumable" track is configurable
20:18:14AlexPI would have thought that I would want to be asked if I click on a file, and that it played from the start if in a playlist
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20:18:28sideralgaeverts: It can be all files in a subhierarchy (/PODCASTS/*), a genre tag ("audiobook"), or a heuristic based on the length of the tracj
20:18:36[Saint]AlexP: Same.
20:18:46Slasherisideral: the only thing i am worried about that the master index db file size is growing constantly when new tags/"columns" are added. Probably that is not a problem currently but if it keeps growing.. At some point it could be necessary to separate some of those tags into a new db file/"table" that is kept on disk all the time
20:18:49[Saint]I'd like to be prompted if a track can be resumed.
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20:19:02[Saint]and start anew if I siamiss the prompt
20:19:16[Saint]siamiss?
20:19:19[Saint]*dissmiss
20:19:30sideralAlexP: the behavior is different /separately configurable for manual track start vs automatic track change
20:19:38[Saint]*dismiss, even.
20:19:40AlexPsideral: excellent :)
20:19:49pixelma[Saint]: on potentially every track?
20:20:02[Saint]personally, yes.
20:20:20saratogawe don't generally prompt people during playback do we?
20:20:25sideralAlexP: I have not yet added a dialog "resume this track?" yet, mostly because there was no demand, but also because I couldn't get to work right )
20:21:03[Saint]something *really* nice would be a WPS tag that could notify you that the next track is resumable from your definition of what a resumable track is.
20:21:03AlexPA prompt would be nice, but a workaround would be to set resume then skip to the beginning if wanted
20:21:13[Saint]and I'm pretty sure that'd be possible.
20:21:24sideralSaint, AlexP: I suggest to try the feature first, I predict you won't miss the prompt
20:21:48saratogayeah skipping to the beginning is pretty simple
20:21:57sideralAlexP: yeah. BTW, there's also a setting to prevent skipping back to the start to avoid ever losing a resume position
20:22:01kugelI find the idea horrible that I need to "click away" promts during playback, or that the next tracks start in the middle on automatic track change
20:22:02saratogaplus it seems weird to do that in an audio book which is what I think this is mostly going to be used for?
20:22:13[Saint]sideral: to be perfectly honest, I'll only use it for testing. it's not really my cup of tea.
20:22:24AlexPsideral: Yeah, it isn't a deal breaker :)
20:22:30sideralkugel: there could be a prompt at manual track start, but not at automatic track change
20:22:43saratogawe should get the core feature working nicely, and then worry about tweaking the UI
20:22:59kugeldoes that come before or after the annoying "delete dynamic playlist" one? :)
20:23:05AlexPsaratoga: indeed
20:23:26sideral:)
20:23:27[Saint]kugel: You don;t turn that off
20:23:33Slasherikugel: the idea with the search root patch is to avoid scanning the same directory multiple times?
20:23:33[Saint]that prompt is pointless.
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20:23:42AlexPkugel: well, you can turn that off, and as sideral's patch lets you set manual vs. automatic track change behaviour, you can there too
20:23:49kugelSlasheri: that, and infinite symlink loops
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20:23:57Slasherikugel: ok
20:25:58Slasherithat would make sense for RaaA.. hmm, what is the status of the N900 port? :) maybe i should check that too
20:26:03sideralSlasheri: I agree that we could split out columns if this ever becomes a problem
20:26:54Slasherisideral: indeed.. i think some columns, such as the resume info, could lie on the hd not consuming ram
20:28:42BuschelTheSeven: did you see my comment regarding LCD_PHTIME and DRAM/IRAM?
20:28:48kugelSlasheri: do you think it's a good approach or can you think of something better?
20:29:37TheSevenBuschel: it's not true for DMA ;)
20:29:50BuschelTheSeven: do you think it is ok to set LCD_PHTIME = 0x22 for all lcd_type 1?
20:29:55Slasherikugel: well, the most simple approach would be to ignore symlinks alltogether :)
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20:30:11TheSevenand for non-dma i'm getting rather bad fps rates anyway (still need to figure out the cause)
20:30:20BuschelTheSeven: what fps do you reach via DMA combined with LCD_PHTIME = 0x00?
20:30:24kugelSlasheri: but that would break on my system (and probably a lot more others)
20:30:31Slasherikugel: hmm, why?
20:30:34TheSeventhe same as you from IRAM, and slightly less from DRAM
20:30:56kugelmy music isn't on my $HOME partition
20:31:02BuschelTheSeven: have you seen my updated v09 patch in FS #11807?
20:31:09kugelbut I have a symlink to it in $HOME
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20:31:28Slasherikugel: what about adding an option to specify the root location of music?
20:31:31TheSevenyes
20:31:36BuschelTheSeven: this one reaches your IRAM/DMA based number from DRAM with some simple asm
20:33:33TheSevenBuschel: http://pastie.org/1373860
20:33:49TheSeveni can't see how this could be further optimized
20:33:57kugelSlasheri: I even thought about having multiple configurable roots
20:34:39Slasherii think that could be useful option to have anyway..
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20:34:48kugelbut yea, even a single root would be nice, but that doesn't solve the problem
20:35:07Slasherithe second approach could be to follow all symlinks and limit the directory scanning depth
20:35:37*Buschel does not understand TheSevens asm :/
20:35:43Slasheriprobably not many audio players even on pc support the case where there is a symlink loop
20:36:03Slasheriin that aspect that feature could be even overkill :)
20:36:16TheSevenBuschel: this is for filling the LCD with a constant color
20:36:17kugelI've never had that problem with any other audio player at least
20:36:32Slasheriand you had loops?
20:36:34TheSeventhe color is loaded into r0 in the first line, r5 is the number of remaining pixels
20:36:40kugelyes
20:36:44TheSevenr12 is the address of the LCD_WDATA reg
20:37:19kugelwell, when the search begins in / anyway, I haven't tried with another root without the patch
20:37:32kugelbut with that patch our db is able to scan all my file systems
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20:38:53Slasherikugel: i think that for all targets there could be an option to specify the root. And when symlinks are supported, at least ignore them or use that more sophisticated patch you made
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20:40:04kugelthere was never demand for a search root on daps, and I guess it would even hurt on targets with external storage
20:40:40kugelscanning everything on fat(32) where there're no symlinks is reasonable imo
20:40:48Slasherihmm.. or multiple roots perhaps?
20:41:08BuschelTheSeven: coming back to my question from above -> do you think it is reasonable to assume LCD_PHTIME=0x22 is ok for lcd_type==1?
20:42:24Slasherikugel: ok, probably targets would not benefit from that feature.. but as an application, you could want to specify the location where you keep your music collection
20:42:59Slasheribecause some phone for example could have many audio clips and ringtones you wouldn't want the db to scan
20:43:26TheSevenBuschel: actually even 0x00 seems to work on the two LDS176-like types, at least on the ones it was tested on
20:43:34kugelwe already have "start filebrowser here" (obviously meant to point to the music dir), perhaps merge that with the db root?
20:43:47TheSevenapple sets it to 0x22 for the LDS and 0x88 (IIUC) for the ILI
20:43:55BuschelTheSeven: hehe, risky approach? ;)
20:44:13Buschel(I am talking of svn)
20:44:26kugelalthough I would probably want the filebrowser start path differently (e.g. to ~, while the database would start at ~/Music) if the database gets it right
20:45:35Slasherii would be happy to have one option to specify the db root (but i think some users might have separate collections on phone memory and memory card for example)
20:45:48TheSevenBuschel: I've committed 0x00 for all types to emBIOS HEAD, so we'll see if anyone complains over there
20:46:01BuschelTheSeven: well, I could set it to 0x22 and add the asm stuff. then I could change LCD_PHTIME to 0x00 in a second submit. this would allow better bisecting if something goes wrong...
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20:48:11*[Saint] thinks Buschel should look at Nano2G runtime, an increase of +252% there would be awesome ;)
20:48:51Buschelwell, we would only need to reduce the current consumption by a few mA :)
20:49:07sideralI need to leave in about 5 min. Any final thoughts on what needs to be done next towards getting the resume patch accepted?
20:49:31*TheSeven would just wait for some more testing results
20:50:30Buschelwell, the asm would not change anything, it just prepares for the next level (submitting 0x00).
20:56:35kugelGodEater: seen my question?
20:58:12CIA-7New commit by 03Buschel (r28824): FS #11807 - Major speedup of iPod nano 2G. Part 5: Introduce asm for RGB screen updates, set LCD_PHTIME to Apple's default for LDS176 type LCD's.
20:58:39GodEaterkugel: yep
20:58:50GodEaterhaven't had a chance to apply it yet
20:59:29kugelno problem
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21:00:16CIA-7r28824 build result: All green
21:01:43GodEaterkugel, I'm building it now
21:01:52GodEaterdid jdgordon's auto screen size patch make it in yet?
21:02:06kugelno
21:02:23GodEateris it broken? :)
21:02:56kugelno, I think it even works fine, it doesn't solve the problems :)
21:03:36GodEaterit works, but doesn't solve the problem?
21:03:39*GodEater is confused
21:04:02kugelthemes are still resolution dependant, especially the bitmaps
21:04:10GodEaterah of course
21:04:15sideralLeaving now. Thanks for the comments & support!
21:04:24GodEaterI'm getting increasingly stupid in my old age
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21:13:51pixelmaand with our current range of display specs, that's for the better
21:17:39kugel:?
21:18:38GodEaterkugel: looks pretty sweet :)
21:20:40kugelGodEater: how many lines do you have on the screen?
21:20:55GodEater8 I think
21:20:56kugelI made the line height dpi dependant
21:21:06GodEaternot including the status bar
21:21:13GodEaterhang on
21:21:17GodEaterI'll get you a screenshot
21:21:29kugelah cool
21:21:52pixelmajust my really really high doubts that you can take e.g. an 240x320 colour theme and get a nice and working result on a 128x64 monochrome screen if any automated way
21:22:01pixelmaespecially not on a DAP
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21:22:37kugelcolor vs monochrome is not fair
21:22:49pixelmalook at the greyscale tango icons and you know what I mean
21:23:19Llorean Having just looked at 11748, I really don't like it from the description
21:23:39kugelI think you could actually make a unified 320x480 and 480x800 pretty nicely with a bit of smarts
21:23:44LloreanIs it really wanted/intended for a playlist to resume every file in the playlist that's over a certain length, seeming to skip around in various partially listened files?
21:23:45kugelboth colors
21:23:47GodEaterkugel: yhm
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21:24:59pixelmawell, maybe slightly smaller or larger and the same colour depth could work, you get trouble with different orientation and already different proportion
21:25:33pixelmaand if I see how full blown PC programmes sometimes handle resizing I really think it's not worth it
21:26:03pixelmamaybe you can add something to the theme editor
21:27:10GodEaterget the email ok kugel?
21:27:22kugelyep
21:27:41GodEaterlook as you intended?
21:28:07kugelah, the icons are still ridiculously tiny :)
21:28:23GodEaterhehe
21:28:33GodEaterthat they are
21:28:40GodEaterI should turn them off :)
21:28:56kugelI'm using [Saint]'s 24x24 currently
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21:29:51kugelGodEater: but yea, it looks about right
21:31:22GodEatercool
21:31:27GodEaterShootMe is a useful app :)
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21:36:10wodzanyone have a bright idea how to force full ata initialization (except thread creation) on usb unplug?
21:37:08the_Kylepixelma: So far, we spell things when we don't have talk clips. I'm not sure how to implement this cleanly, but anything is better than getting lost in the playlist or not being able to hear info for the current track.
21:38:52the_KyleFile properties should be easier, since it's probably mostly strings that can be voiced and numbers and such, although I don't know what's printed on that screen, so I could be wrong about that.
21:40:51kugeldid we ever consider drawing the icons over the line selector?
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21:54:27*the_Kyle proposes adding voice capabilities to file properties and adding filename spelling or talk clip announcement to fs#1141.
21:55:31the_KyleFor view playlist, I just need to know what file I'm on, so talk clip announcement or filename spelling should work there as well.
21:56:59CIA-7New commit by 03Buschel (r28825): Speedup of iPod nano 2G YUV blitting by 3%.
21:58:57CIA-7r28825 build result: All green
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22:08:18AlexPkugel: hehe, those icons are ridiculous :)
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22:12:58wodzI have pretty hacky workaround which makes usb bridge work in rockbox for HD300 :-)
22:13:07CIA-7New commit by 03b0hoon (r28826): HDD6330: implement initialization and inversion of lcd.
22:13:12CIA-7New commit by 03Buschel (r28827): Add short sleep after wakeup of LDS176 type LCD to avoid occasional shift of first full screen update.
22:15:13CIA-7r28826 build result: All green
22:16:51wodzAm I correct that if I write some pattern to ATA regs (as in check_registers()) than pull ATA_RESET line low, release and read registers this should not match?
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22:32:51n1ssaratoga: another part of the codeclib mdct that could be done better on targets that don't have very limited iram is the doubling, increasing the output buffer by 1/4 it's current size should let us only do half as much copying and also simplify it quite a bit
22:33:46n1sI was looking into trying to do both mdct doubling and windowing at the same time for tremor but havent' gotten the pointer math right yet in the second half where it is copying and reversing in place at the same time
22:34:27n1sif both of those can be done, a lot less memory accesses will be done
22:35:16Dreamxtremeforgive me if this is somewhere obvious but im a little overwhelmed by all the options but is there a way to add a instant shuffle play option to the main menu?
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22:38:47SuspectZerohey there
22:40:51SuspectZeroso i have an ipod 5.5g. i use to be into the whole ipl and rockbox and muliboot and what not phase but since then ive decided to just go with a regular ipod. today, i would i like to install a linux distro to my ipod (so i can use it as a portable hd) while retainging the ipod firmware and rockbox (just got a lot of .flav files :D)
22:41:34SuspectZeromy question is, what would be the method of attack? format ipod > resize fat32 partition > create 2 new partitions (one for boot and one for gentoo)?
22:41:51SuspectZeroor am i missing a step in there somewhere?
22:42:11SuspectZeros/.flav/.flac
22:42:51n1sSuspectZero: this isn't really rockbox related, you are however very welcome to discuss anything in #rockbox-community
22:43:09SuspectZeroah apologies
22:43:46SuspectZeron1s: thanks for the heads up :)
22:43:53n1sno problem
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23:54:08JdGordPixelma: dynamic screen size has nothing to do with auto resizing themes
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23:55:41JdGordkugel: plugins are the maybe reason against the single build, but that really is a non issue currently
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23:57:55pixelmakugel brought up the relation to themes
23:58:26JdGordRing
23:58:43JdGordGrr... he Is wrong

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