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#rockbox log for 2010-12-14

00:00:09JdGordThat was never the point of the patch
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00:01:20JdGordThe point was to have a single smart binary
00:03:31pixelmaok. My comment was only about the usefulness of theme resizing. Would the binary be able to pick e.g. the correct cabbiev2.320x480x16 ? I'm a bit curious as I might get an android phone in the near futre
00:03:44pixelmawith the patch, of course
00:04:52JdGordYes. The setting in the config would be wps: cabbie.wps and it loads the correct one based on the screen size if cabbie.wps isn't there
00:05:07JdGordIt won't try to resize a samme
00:05:13JdGordSmaller version
00:05:51pixelmaah, sounds ok
00:06:54JdGordI picked on you because of the resizing thing. It does actually have some big problems which I'm surprised kugel didn't mention
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00:10:49amee2khmmm doesn't RB have a battery benchmark mode?
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00:11:50pixelmait has a battery_bench plugin
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00:13:21amee2kexplains why i can't find it
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00:17:13amee2kcool, its benching. thanks pixelma :)
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00:51:50CIA-7New commit by 03b0hoon (r28828): HDD6330: speedup lcd_blit_yuv() function (~4%).
00:53:49CIA-7r28828 build result: All green
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03:52:13*LambdaCalculus37 is going to give FS #7505 another try
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06:26:03tiangoloI have a question: Using Rockbox, can I play just one song? in other words, play one song and then stop... To do that with the original firmware (Sansa Fuze) I would have to change the metadata to match just one song or create a playlist with one song for every song that I want to play alone
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06:32:46[Saint]if you select the track in either the Filebrowser, or the Database, bring up the context menu on said track, and chose "Insert" it will commence playback with a track count of 1.
06:32:54[Saint]tiangolo: ^
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06:33:56[Saint]tiangolo: Sorry, Bring up the context menu on the track you want to play, then choose "Playlist", and then "Insert"
06:37:25tiangoloOh, thanks for the rapid answer. Will it play only that selected song and then stop? (That's what I want)
06:37:34[Saint]correct.
06:37:53LloreanAs long as repeat is turned off, of course.
06:38:18[Saint]well, yes ;)
06:40:25tiangoloOh, great. Thanks! ...Another question: Can I return to the original firmware after I've installed Rockbox? Would a reset do that?
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06:41:14[Saint]tiangolo: Yes, you can.
06:41:33[Saint]The manual will inform you as to how you can use the dualboot function.
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06:47:13tiangoloMany thanks Saint and Llorean! I haven't used yet my new device, but I think I will start using Rockbox right now
06:47:37[Saint]tiangolo: What device is this?
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06:48:27Llorean[Saint]: Sansa Fuze.
06:48:39LloreanHe mentioned it above. ;)
06:48:50[Saint]Hmmm...I seem to have missed that.
06:48:56[Saint]Appologies.
06:49:12LloreanI almost replied to your "the manual has dualboot instructions" with a "not every device has dual boot" but stopped myself when I caught it was a fuze and thought you'd seen it too
06:50:03LloreanThough I believe the Gigabeat F and some installations on a Gigabeat S are the only cases I can immediately think of without dual boot (and the Gigabeat F instead has a triggered uninstall of Rockbox, you're back in the OF but can't get back to Rockbox without a reinstall)
06:50:20[Saint]Yes, I did indeed forget to say "if it *can* dualboot - it will be in the manual"
06:51:23[Saint]And, there's weird "dualboot" target(s?) also...like the H10 where you need to pull the battery.
06:51:28[Saint]Odd, but...it works.
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08:22:18tiangoloWell guys, many thanks, bye.
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09:25:26pixelmaLlorean: the Iaudios don't have dualboot either
09:26:04LloreanAh yes, that's right
09:26:14LloreanThere's the patch but it never made it into SVN.
09:26:32pixelmayeah, didn't seem to get much interest
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09:31:48TheSevenis SD/SDHC/SDXC only a software-side difference?
09:31:58TheSeveni.e. will rockbox support SDXC on all sd-capable targets?
09:32:06[Saint]afaik, yes.
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09:33:16[Saint]SDXC I'm not so sure about, but SD/SDHC I'm 99% sure is only different software.
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09:35:22Bagderright, like we added sdhc support to e200 which doesn't have it according to the OF
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09:38:02LloreanIsn't SDXC two part?
09:38:19BagderI don't know any details about SDXC
09:38:33LloreanI seem to recall reading somewhere that SDXC encompassed two types of new cards, ones compatible with the old hardware, and faster ones that required new hardware
09:38:57LloreanOr something like that.
09:39:58[Saint]I seem to remember the same (or similar) thing being said about SD/SDHC, that it's not backward/forward compatible
09:40:09*TheSeven wonders if he should get an ipod classic or a cowon d2
09:40:36[Saint]Easy choice IMO
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09:41:20[Saint]Don't you already *have* a Classic though? Or does that need to go back to the donor?
09:41:30[Saint]TheSeven: ^
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09:41:49TheSevenno, but that broken hard drive is driving me nuts :)
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09:42:16LloreanAlso apparently SDXC will be encompassed by SD 3.0 and 4.0. 3.0 cards are apparently compatible with old hardware as long as they support exFAT, where the new cards use the faster transfer speeds and supposedly won't be compatible with SDHC hosts.
09:42:43LloreanSo sayeth the wikipedia article, at least.
09:42:53[Saint]right, so...it is just software limitation apparently.
09:43:05LloreanWhat part of that says it's just a software limitation?
09:43:23TherionAnyone know how to fix a Sansa Clip? installed rockbox on it yesterday and now it won;t turn on, even when plugged in.
09:43:30Llorean4.0 is supposed to require new hardware according to that, but still be called SDXC
09:43:37[Saint]that's what I take from it saying that it's not compatible with the host.
09:43:59[Saint]It should explicitly mention a change in form factor.
09:45:23LloreanIt's a serial transfer scheme with more pins.
09:45:29[Saint]The host (unless I'm mistaken) only exists in software...so compatibility should just be a matter of finding out how to make it tick.
09:45:30LloreanThat sounds like a change in form factor to me.
09:45:42TheSevencurrently that bugger of a hard drive is slowing down my work on the classic significantly...
09:46:06pixelmaTherion: did you try a hard power-off? I think it's a loong hold of the power button on those.
09:46:08TheSevenwhile there were offers that the rockbox fund may replace the drive, i don't really feel comfortable with opening those things
09:46:10Llorean"The main asset that will enable the aforementioned data rates of 300 MB/s will be a new, dual-row pin memory card design."
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09:46:25[Saint]TheSeven: Isn't a second-hand disk going to be cheaper than either another Classic or a D2?
09:46:32pixelmaTherion: also, do you remember which build and bootloader you installed exactly?
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09:46:54TherionYes, tried that, tried connecting it to USB while holding the middle button like the site said too
09:47:04TheSevenLlorean: now the question is whether they will still be accessible in SDHC hosts at a lower speed, with only some of the pins contacted
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09:47:32TheSeven[Saint]: well, as I said i fear i'll totally break the ipod while trying to replace the drive
09:47:41[Saint]TheSeven: Well, that's what I'm thinking.
09:47:58[Saint]errr...to your previous statement.
09:48:04*TheSeven figured
09:48:05LloreanTheSeven: The official description currently available doesn't say either way, at the moment.
09:48:13[Saint]what makes you think you'll break it?
09:48:29TherionI don;t remember which build no... I picked wichever was recommended / stable i guess
09:48:35TheSevenlook at the ifixit guide. that case isn't rather easy to deal with :(
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09:49:28[Saint]I'm pretty sure that "they" (y'know..."them") said that SD/SDHC wasn't going to be forward/backward compatible...but there was a pleasant surprise there.
09:49:33[Saint]Lets hope for the same again.
09:49:41pixelmaTherion: there were reports where Clips and other newer Sansa players could get stuck when trying to reboot into the Sansa firmware from a running Rockbox which you could only get out by running the battery down completely (and that takes some times, I think even days). So this automatic reboot was actually disabled in newer Rockbox versions and the release too, I think.
09:50:00TheSeven[Saint]: yes, IIUC the additional pins just extend the data bus to 8 bits
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09:50:43pixelmaTherion: but Rockbox worked yesterday?
09:50:45TheSevenhm, a 16gb cowon d2 + 64gb sdhc costs about as much as a 160gb ipod classic
09:51:29TherionI installed it all to the player, unplugged it, and it came up saying "Updating Firmware" and then the player shut off, and havent been able to get it back on
09:51:36[Saint]TheSeven: I'd go with a Classic, as them you either have a set of spares, or a board to discect and plot paths with.
09:51:43[Saint]s/them/then/
09:51:56LloreanTheSeven, [Saint]: Apparently it's confirmed that the new card design allows backward compatibility. In the past they were saying that the 3.0 and 4.0 specification cards *were* physically incompatible, but this has evidently changed.
09:52:07TherionI'm new to rockbox, could it have been because i selected multiple themes when it asked?
09:52:22[Saint]Therion: No.
09:52:26pixelmano, that doesn't cause any problems
09:52:26*TheSeven wonders if the rockbox fund might pay whatever a replacement drive would have costed if he gets a new ipod classic instead
09:52:50LloreanOh, wait, it goes out of its way to say the new hosts are compatible with the old cards, but still no mention of the other way
09:53:12[Saint]Therion: It sounds to me as though your player is stuck (as pixelma mentioned) in a loop, and that it needs the battery to drain completely before it can be charged and re-booted again.
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09:53:29[Saint]You can also disconnect the battery to achieve this, but it isn't reccommended to do so.
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09:53:43pixelmaTherion: can you tell if it is on or off now?
09:54:10TheSeventhe D2 would have the advantage of extensibility once bigger cards are available, longer battery runtime, tochscreen and no damn moving parts
09:54:33TherionOh it is definitely off, none of the lights are on, and tried connecting headphones just incase
09:54:35TheSevenhow much RAM does it have btw and is the output voltage somewhat calibrated?
09:54:57TheSeveni.e. are 0dB really 0dB and can it drive that without clipping?
09:54:58pixelmaTherion: well, my thinking is this: there were also reports of another display type in Clips which isn't supported yet and maybe you have one of those
09:55:02Llorean[Saint]: According to sdcard.org SDXC cards cannot be used in SD/SDHC devices. Considering they were in the past the ones saying firmware updates in devices could allow SDHC cards to work, while nothing's guaranteed I don't think I'd get my hopes up.
09:55:13[Saint]TheSeven: the D2?
09:55:19[Saint]64MB iiuc.
09:55:33TheSevenreally? that would be a lot for a flash-based player
09:55:59pixelmaTherion: maybe you could try booting into the original firmware. You have to hold a button immediately after powering on, I'm not sure which it is on the Clips
09:56:01[Saint]Hmmm...that may be the D2+, I'm questioning myself now.
09:56:02TheSevenhm, apparently 32MB
09:57:00TheSevenalso does rockbox run on both the d2, d2+ and d2-dab?
09:57:05Therionor something like that) and that didn't even work... im wondering if it's just dead... i've had it for 3 years now
09:57:22Theriontried to force run msg mode***
09:57:24[Saint]TheSeven: Just the D2 afaik
09:57:45pixelmaTherion: it is the "left" button according to the manual ( http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclip/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-280003.1.3 )
09:58:31pixelmaunfortunately the one who looked into the issue with different displays or other hardware isn't around currently
09:59:15pixelmaTheSeven: I believe on all but DAB isn't supported yet
09:59:19[Saint]pixelma: I'm pretty sure the "new hardware" Clips just don't boot at all.
09:59:26[Saint]this one was apparently working.
09:59:40pixelmait wasn't if I understood correctly
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10:00:22TherionYea that doesnt work, im assuming it would need to be able to actually start up to use the left button
10:00:54[Saint]ah, right...I did read it incorrectly.
10:01:46[Saint]I read it as though it worked for the day of installation, then suddenly stopped.
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10:02:33TherionIt worked perfectly before i installed, but once it tried to update firmware for rockbox is when it stopped working
10:02:33pixelmaTherion: then I'd try the "leave it for a few days and try again" way, sorry I don't have better news. You could also try asking here again in a few hour, maybe other people have more ideas (or stay around)
10:03:28TherionOk, well i'll be busy for a couple of days anyways, ill leave it be for a while see if that works, if not i'll come back and see if anyone knows anymore
10:03:47[Saint]If the player was at ~100% charge when it "died", it could take 3~4~5 days to discharge completely.
10:03:53Theriondo you think it would be wise to connect something to the battery to drain it faster? like an LED or a small motor?
10:05:21[Saint]you'd probably need to open the case to do that anyway, and if you're going to open it you might as well desolder the battery.
10:05:47pixelmaif you mean taking out the battery then you already disconnected it and draining won't be needed anymore
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10:06:04pixelmaas I understand it
10:06:45TherionAh ye... it probably has more than just positive and negative.... i;d never figure it out... guess i'll just wait for it to drain itself
10:07:11Therionthanks guys, been helpfull. Hope to someday get rockbox going, looks like a great project
10:07:28[Saint]it has positive, negative, and thermister leads IIUC.
10:08:02Therionlol idk what thermister even means
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10:08:43[Saint](measures temperature)
10:09:29Therionah, always been more of a software guy than a hardware, but anyways, gettin late, thanks again guys. Gonna start the whole waiting process =]
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10:17:13[Saint]can someone else (preferably someone that could potentially fix it also) have a look at the wiki's search function? clicking "wiki" from the left hand column of the mainpage, then trying to use the search feature up in the top right of the wiki page leads me here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WebSearch?search=;scope=all;web=;tab=search
10:17:26[Saint]and it certainly seems incorrect to me.
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10:19:03[Saint]ouch
10:19:04mordocai_sigh... time to change password lol
10:19:12[Saint];)
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10:26:18gevaertsTheSeven: IIRC it runs on all three variants. DAB isn't supported (but the rest of the thing should work) and I believe the D2+ is only has different firmware (but I'm not sure there)
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11:47:51pixelmagevaerts: did you only delete one of its two spam posts, or was that the forum plugin?
11:48:05gevaertsI deleted one of them
11:48:16JdGordonteru: if you happen to be watching the logs... please come online!
11:49:21pixelmagevaerts: I deleted the other now
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11:59:23JdGordonwhat should the context menu for tracks in a .m3u have?
11:59:58JdGordonremove, move obviously, "add to catalog" probably, "add to curent playlist".. what else?
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12:01:11JdGordonand where is the correct place for the "playlist viewer" settings menu?
12:01:51JdGordonsettings > general > playlists?
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12:04:55pixelmawasn't it in the playlist viewer currently? It makes a bit of sense as it is a plugin IIRC, although not very clear to the user
12:05:41JdGordon?
12:06:01JdGordonnot talking about moving anything to plugins, rearranging how playlists are handled to make it better
12:07:25pixelmaI think that the current playlist viewer (the thing you get if you go to "view current playlist") currently is a plugin internally
12:07:43JdGordonit isnt
12:08:14JdGordonMONTHS (probably more than a year) ago i talked about moving it to a plugin
12:08:26JdGordonbut no, I'm working on making it more like the file or db browser
12:08:30JdGordonsee the ml
12:08:33pixelmathat's not what I mean
12:09:27pixelmamaybe it is using the plugin buffer or so (?) and I confused things
12:09:44JdGordonyes, that sounds more like it
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12:13:48pixelmaok but it has a context menu for itself already (turning icons on and off) - "Playlist viewer settings" is now the last item in the context menu of the track when viewing the playlist
12:13:59JdGordonI should probbaly make the playlist viewier show the playlist name as the title instead of just "Playlist"
12:14:11pixelmaI thought it had a dedicated "internal menu" button, may have had at one time
12:14:15JdGordonpixelma: yes. thats what I was asking about, where is the correct place for it?
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12:16:00JdGordonsplashf(HZ, (unsigned char *)"%s %s", str(LANG_MOVE), str(LANG_FAILED)); <−−−− lovely :/
12:16:15pixelmahmm, have to think about it
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12:24:04amee2kwhy does the settings menu have an option for configuring the battery capacity?
12:24:21gevaertsto allow configuring the battery capacity
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12:28:05wodzgevaerts: how ide drive should react when ata reset line is toggled? Should it clear registers?
12:28:12gevaertsno idea
12:29:06wodzata specs are rather cryptic in this area
12:29:20*gevaerts wouldn't know. He never looked at ata specs
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12:32:43pixelmaJdGordon: I guess your "general settings" idea would work, seeing as e.g. database settings are also at this level - there already are settings related to playlist handling itself though. Additionally this could also be used as a context menu on the "Playlists" entry in the main menu, similar to the database, file view etc.
12:32:44*JdGordon is going to need manual reworking help
12:34:41Bushmillsyay, just managed to fix my 1.50 EUR "defective" ebay auctioned Sansa Clip :)
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12:44:04eWillIs there a simple change I can make to the source so that the Recent Bookmark list is 20 (instead of 10) entries long?
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12:45:32LambdaCalculus37Can someone who's familiar with FS #7505 take a look at this warning I get when building the plugin: http://lambdacalculus379.pastebin.com/mxDWKkR5
12:47:03JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11808 is a pretty heavy UI change which has been agreed on already, can everyone please give it a try?
12:47:16JdGordonAlexP: can I bug you to help with the manual changes? pretty please :D
12:48:36LambdaCalculus37JdGordon: Can you make a couple of test builds and host them somewhere?
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12:49:02JdGordonyeah, which targets though? I guess i could do all but uploading on my connectino will be a bitcg
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12:50:04LambdaCalculus37JdGordon: Do some of the more popular targets.
12:50:37*LambdaCalculus37 takes the diff down and prepares to roll a beaft build
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12:52:18JdGordonwodz: can you try it out? I see you didnt liuke the idea so much?
12:53:41eWillJdGordon: patch −−binary -p0 < ./playlistchanges.1.diff
12:53:42eWillcan't find file to patch at input line 5
12:53:44eWillPerhaps you used the wrong -p or −−strip option?
12:53:59JdGordon-p1
12:54:13JdGordonand it isnt binary
12:55:15eWillJdGordon: does that mean just leave out the −−binary? Also it's asking for "File to patch:" can I just CTRL-C?
12:55:38JdGordonhmm... this is going to need some extra tweaking for party mode
12:55:42JdGordoneWill: yes yes
12:56:30wodzJdGordon: what particularly should I look for?
12:57:32JdGordonyou use m3us to start playback right? so just do as you normally would and let us know if it is too much of a change
12:57:55wodzok
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13:02:02JdGordonwodz: ah, never mind, m3u default action hasnt changed yet
13:03:35JdGordonalthough, do we really want .m3u to open in the viewer if openeed thrugh the file browser instead of the catalog viewer?
13:07:48AlexPJdGordon: Sure, I'm not about the next couple of nights, but will do after that
13:08:01AlexPI also still need to do a couple of other things that are on the tracker
13:08:20AlexPscorche: Can you add a Packard Bell installation sub forum please?
13:08:36JdGordonyay :)
13:08:37JdGordondoesnt look like this is actually ready yet though... too many damn changes
13:08:43wodzI would prefer to simple 'run' m3u when selected from file browser. For anything else I don care
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13:19:55eWillJdGordon: I can't build it.
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13:21:04JdGordonhi teru
13:21:13JdGordonwhats the story with your rockbox_browse() patch?
13:21:14teruJdGordon: hi
13:21:33eWillapps/playlist_catalog.o: In function `display_playlists':
13:21:34eWillplaylist_catalog.c:(.text+0x1c8): undefined reference to `strncpy'
13:21:36eWillcollect2: ld returned 1 exit status
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13:22:47JdGordongrr
13:23:42teruJdGordon: in my testing, it works ok, so i'm going to commit at least browse.patch in FS #11777.
13:25:17JdGordonok, any idea when?
13:26:46teruif there isn't objection or something like, today or tomorrow
13:27:29JdGordonok
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13:33:26JdGordonwodz: eWill: ok, new version up, please test
13:34:18eWillon it...
13:35:34eWillJdGordon: what's the command to revert all modified files?
13:36:13JdGordonsvn revert -R .
13:36:13JdGordonor git reset −− hard
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13:48:50CIA-45r28829 build result: All green
13:49:44CIA-45New commit by 03moos (r28830): Oops, the credit file wasn't updated for the previous revision aka FS #11691
13:51:12eWillJdGordon: Hotkey on WPS give me "no files" message box.
13:51:34JdGordontell me in the tracker.. and what is it set to?
13:51:42CIA-45r28830 build result: All green
13:52:38eWillok, and it's set to "View Current Playlist"
13:56:38Stummiit would be cool if you could see the commit message (or the first row if it is longer) in the subject of the mails in the cvs-list
13:56:42eWillJdGordon: I get the same "no files" message on Main Menu > Playlists. I may not have a playlist where it's looking. Where is it looking?
13:57:30gevaertsStummi: why? You're supposed to read through the entire diff anyway! ;)
13:58:36Stummithis would make easier to pick out the commits, which i am interessted :p
13:58:59pixelmayou have to be interested in all commits ;)
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13:59:32Stummihehe, good point
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14:29:46amee2khow do i know when an ipod is actually charging?
14:29:58amee2kand not just running on the battery while its plugged in
14:30:35amee2kbecause somehow mine isn't getting full >_<
14:31:52amee2ki plugged it in last night, this morning (~7 hours later) it was showing as just under half full
14:32:06amee2kand thats how it has stayed ever since (abother ~5 hours)
14:33:46Torneunder rockbox, or the original firmware?
14:33:56amee2krockbox
14:34:10amee2kotherwise i probably wouldn't ask here ;)
14:34:53Tornehave you enabled usb charging? :)
14:35:14Torneanyway, go to debug -> view battery then scroll down a couple of times till you get to a page of text info
14:35:25Torneshould say various stuff that may be interesting
14:35:32Torneif it's an ipod video it will show the charge current
14:35:37Tornebut i don't think we have that reading on other models
14:36:04amee2kusb charging is set to "Yes"
14:36:31amee2kwhere is the debug menu?
14:36:45amee2kits a first generation mini
14:36:51amee2kA1051
14:37:00Torneare you using a PC, or an AC adapter?
14:37:33amee2kPC with the USB link cable
14:37:55Torneand is the PC actually one?
14:37:57Torneon, even?
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14:38:19amee2kyeah, its on and when i plug it in i can see the mass storage device
14:38:42Tornethat should charge fine.
14:38:56amee2kwell it does but only to about half capacity
14:39:27amee2kwhat does the "force" setting for usb charging do differently than just "yes" ?
14:39:48Torneit lets it charge in the absence of positive identification of a safe power source
14:39:54Torneit won't make any difference for an active PC
14:40:04Tornewe can always identify an active USB host.
14:40:18CIA-45r28831 build result: All green
14:40:20Torneanyway, it should work fine as far as I know
14:40:43TorneI tested every ipod model with an inline current meter going through all the combinations of settings/hosts at devcon befor ei committed the ipod charging code ;)
14:41:08amee2ki just plugged it into my usb gadget supply that leaves the data lines floating
14:41:14TorneThat won't work
14:41:21amee2kand the battery icon starts to pulse even if its set to "yes"
14:41:35TorneThat's not relevant
14:41:44amee2ko.O
14:41:46TorneIt still may charge, but it only draws a maximum of 100mA current from the host
14:42:00Tornethe current limit has nothing to do with whether the charging icon appears or not
14:42:12Tornethe charging icon is literally just "do we have external power and a non-full battery"
14:42:49Torneto charge from just power on the USB lines without a data connection you need to set the setting to "force" for now
14:42:57burnhello, how can I disable the USB Keypad Mode please? can't find it
14:42:59Tornenobody has implemented charger detectection yet
14:43:19Torneand even if we had, it wouldn't work with a device that leaves the data lines floating because that's not a valid charger
14:43:39Torneburn: USB HID
14:43:43Torneburn: why do you want to disable it, though?
14:43:56burnTorne: I want to listen to it while it charges
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14:44:08Tornethat's nothing to do with whether the device functions as a keypad
14:44:14amee2ki just put a DMM in series. you're right, its only drawing 100mA from the gadget supply
14:44:26Torneamee2k: yes, I coded it that way, i know :)
14:44:28burnTorne: it stopt playing when I connect it to the computer
14:44:41Torneif you want to charge the device without connecting to a USB host, then read the manual for your device to see what button you have to hold to enable charging-only mode
14:45:02Torneit's in the quick start section, under USB charging
14:45:45Torneamee2k: whether 100mA is enough to meaningfully charge or not depends which ipod, what settings, whether the lcd is on at that time, whether storage is being accessed, etc
14:45:59Torneamee2k: it's usually enough to slowly charge an idle player, over the course of 12 hours or so
14:46:16Tornebut 500mA charging is way faster, of course
14:46:28amee2kit was on the PC for like 12 hours straight now
14:46:43Tornehas it fully charged before?
14:46:44amee2kran up to half full quicky, and now its not doing anything
14:46:47Tornemaybe your battery is just shot
14:46:56Torneif it charged *at all* then it pretty much must be working
14:46:57amee2kthe battery is new
14:47:03Tornedefine new
14:47:13amee2ki put it in yesterday afternoon
14:47:19Torneyes, but where did you buy it from
14:47:23amee2kamazon
14:47:32Tornethere's no guarantee that's new, you know
14:47:46Tornemany replacement batteries you can buy online have been sitting in a warehouse for years
14:48:03amee2khmmm
14:48:43burnTorne: it seems the Ipod mini hasn't such a button
14:48:49Torneburn: yes it does
14:48:53amee2kis there a way to get good replacements at all then?
14:49:14Torneamee2k: buying from a vendor with a good reputation
14:49:21amee2ki mean, you'll never know how old your cells are IRL, even if you go to the shop
14:49:22Torneamee2k: anyway, that may not be it, that's just one thing i felt i should point out :)
14:49:33Torneburn: it is in the manual exactly where i told you it was
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14:49:50amee2ki've been ripped off with "high capacity" cells before ;)
14:50:00eWillI'm reporting a bug in a tracker patch. Is the term for holding down a button for a few seconds to get a different function called a "long click"?
14:50:15amee2kNiMH AA cells that ended up with barely 20% their rated capacity
14:51:06TorneeWill: long press, normally
14:51:15Torneamee2k: anyway, try charging it under the original firmware
14:51:27Torneamee2k: if that goes to a noticably higher charge leveln once you boot back to rockbox then maybe there's a problem
14:51:37amee2khmmm isn't there a special key to boot what remains of the stock firmware?
14:51:38eWillso "long press Select" for the "Select" button?
14:51:40Tornebut if it's about the same then the battery is probably just crappy
14:51:43TorneeWill: yes
14:51:48Torneamee2k: "what remains" is all of it
14:51:54Tornerockbox doesn't remove any part of the original firmware
14:52:03amee2koh, cool
14:52:04Tornepower on the player by holding menu
14:52:12Torneor power on the player then immediately turn hold on.
14:52:19Tornethat will boot the OF
14:52:30Torneyou need to hard reset the device to get back out of it, though
14:53:16amee2kcool, it worked :)
14:53:47burnTorne: I'm sorry, it really isn't there
14:53:53amee2ki plugged it back into the computer. battery icon is pulsing like on RB now, with an arrow symbol on the side
14:53:55Torneburn: I am looking at it right now
14:53:58Torneburn: so, you are wrong.
14:54:11amee2kand it shows the odd "do not disconnect" message again
14:54:21burnTorne: which button then? I've opened the Ipod Mini doc
14:54:31burnhttp://support.apple.com/manuals/#ipodmini
14:54:36Torneburn: er
14:54:45Torneburn: look in the *rockbox manual* for your device
14:54:48Torneunder quick start, usb charging
14:54:54Tornewhy would it be on Apple's site?
14:54:55burnow there! :)
14:55:03Tornewhat does that have to do with rockbox? :)
14:55:32amee2kTorne: hm... but you /can/ force it through software to charge at full speed from any source that supplies enough voltage, right?
14:55:48Torneamee2k: It's physically possible, yes, but rockbox doesn't
14:55:49amee2kand query how much current it is set to draw
14:56:10TorneIf you choose "force" then it will wait a short time after connection to see if a USB host talks to it, and if not, start drawing 500
14:56:18burnTorne: indeed, it works, thanks
14:56:20Torneif a USB host talks to it then it will obey whatever the host tells it to do
14:56:25Torneeven while set to force.
14:56:35amee2kyeah, makes sense
14:56:53amee2ki'm also wondering if there is a way to indicate the charge current on the display
14:57:01TorneNot currently
14:57:04Torne(haw haw)
14:57:08amee2khehe
14:57:13Tornei forget if i added it to the debug screen or not
14:57:26Torneif i did, it would be under view battery
14:57:51Tornei don't think i did, though; the ipodvideo which is my main target has an actual battery current meter, i.e. how much is actually going in/out of the battery, not just what was requested
14:57:54amee2kgtg to uni soon. i'll leave it on the PC with the apple firmware running until tonight
14:57:56Torneso i didn't need it.
14:58:31amee2kwhere is the debug menu anyway?
14:58:38amee2ki can't seem to find it
14:58:50Torneyou could look in the manual :)
14:58:54Torneit's under system, though.
14:59:06amee2khm... then i missed it
14:59:08Torneview battery has multiple pages, scroll to move through them
14:59:18Tornethere's no indication that you *can* scroll, but you can.
14:59:41amee2koh, the display just changed
14:59:59amee2kthe do not disconnect is gone and it shows "charging" and a full screen battery symbol
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15:00:11amee2kpulsing with the arrow on the side, like the small one
15:00:21Bushmills...ppppnn....
15:00:27Bushmillsoops
15:00:47Bushmillsi just discovered what usb keypad mode is for :)
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17:34:50wodzhow can I check in which configuration ATA drive is? Issue ATA_IDENTIFY and parse the output?
17:35:28Torneyes
17:35:38Torneyou can't do very much without parsing IDENTIFY
17:38:35wodzso If I 1) call rockbox ata initialization 2) get IDENTIFY 512bytes 3)toggle ata reset line 4)get IDENTIFY 512bytes this two responses should differ right?
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17:40:31Tornea few things will change back to their reset state, yeah
17:40:34Tornemultisector count and the like
17:40:41Tornewhy?
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17:44:29wodzWhen entering usb mode in rockbox GL811E chip doesn't like the state in which rb leaves drive. The only way I found out to workaround this is power cycling the drive. I think toggling ATA reset should be sufficient (and cleaner) but it doesn't work.
17:45:17wodzI want to check 1) if ata hard reset works 2) maybe grab the configuration of the drive in which bridge chip leaves it
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18:20:53eWillmake && make zip −−- 8 minutes in Cygwin (on Win7 x64).
18:21:13eWillAthlon II x2 250 @3600MHz
18:24:23wodzuse linux dude :-)
18:25:09eWillI have ubuntu in a VM (2m36s). I was just testing. It's definitely more worth it to boot Ubuntu.
18:25:19eWill2m
18:25:31eWill2m36s = build time
18:26:02wodzwhat target are you building?
18:26:22eWillIs there some general rule as to what-kind/how-big a change to the source necessitates re-running configure, or cleaning the build dir?
18:26:59n1sif you run a native linux, running make with 2 concurrent jobs would probably be faster (i don't know if/how cygwin or vm handles multicore)
18:27:14wodzI do make clean when build doesn't work
18:27:56n1seWill: you almost never need to rerun configure but if the configure script was modified after your Make file was generated it will print a warning
18:28:30n1smake clean is usually needed when the dependencies change (files added or (re)moved)
18:29:13wodzI think changing some defines is not catched also
18:30:43n1sprobably if those defines change which files are compiled
18:33:23eWillwodz: I'm buiding Fuze v2
18:34:19eWillI forgot to mention that both build were from an empty build dir.
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18:36:41eWillUbuntu (in VMware) was definitely using both cores right. The 2m36s time was actually from "make -j3 && make zip -j 3". I just ran "make && make zip" and it took 6m44s.
18:37:20eWill*type fixed: make -j 3 && make zip -j 3
18:38:03eWillnow I'll build in Cygwin without the "-j 3" and see what it does...
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18:51:04eWillCygwin build time without "-j 3" = 11m53s
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18:52:50eWillbuilding the eabi toolchain in Cygwin took little over 2 hours. I wonder if "rockboxdev.sh -j 3" would have sped it up...?
18:54:21[Saint]no, but you can add the -j flag to the make command in the rockboxdev,sh script.
18:55:00eWillwow. Thanks.
18:55:06Bagdercygwin can never be speedy, you can only select between very slow and ridiculously slow
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19:00:12eWill[Saint]: Change this line "$make" to "$make -j 3", right?
19:00:28[Saint]correct.
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19:09:23amee2kTorne: thanks, your original firmware trick worked :)
19:09:52amee2kwhen i came back it had RB running again (without me resetting the ipod) and its showing full battery now
19:10:13amee2ki hope i don't have to reboot it every time i want a full charge lol
19:11:28amee2koh, and i also found the battery debug thing. it shows power charging/discharging, battery voltage, and charger present/absent
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19:14:23amee2ki'm still somewhat confused why i can configure a battery capacity in mAh in the settings menu
19:14:39amee2kwhat does it use that for?
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19:15:08gevaertsTo estimate remaining runtime
19:15:33wodzamee2k: if you replace battery it may have different capacity than original one
19:16:18amee2kwell, yeah. but the rated capacity isn't important for anything really. its not even given on the package of mine
19:16:34Chestetarapidshare or someother free file hosting site)
19:16:36amee2kbut the actual capacity will drift over time anyway
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19:17:06amee2kso what can it use the configuration value for?
19:17:23amee2kand how do i know what to set it to?
19:19:02ChestetaeWill: if you manage to get things to build for the fuzev2 and apply the usb patch would you be willing to post it to rapidshare or some sort of free file swapping site? I have not been able to get cygwin to build for quite some time but have wanted to test the usb patch
19:21:33wodzamee2k: Have you ever saw mobile device taking into account battery age? This is something not possible with simple hardware.
19:21:33LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Is there anything you would like for me to try out with the iPod Classic?
19:21:58wodzs/ever saw/ever seen/
19:22:44TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: not yet... i need to package something in a more usable way first
19:23:01amee2kthat doesn't exactly answer the question ;)
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19:38:20saratogaChesteta: you should probably not use cygwin, the vmware image is much easier to build
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19:39:12Chestetasaratoga: how do I get that setup? do i have to buy vmware or anything?
19:39:44saratogaChesteta: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevelopmentGuide
19:40:09Chestetasaratoga: I am running windows 7 if that matters at all, also thats part of the reason i wanted to test fuzev2
19:40:21saratogait doesn't matter at all
19:40:28YDS10-YDS11SLinstalled 3.7.1 and it changed the wps to white on black with an eq.... how do I get my theme back?
19:41:18saratogausually that means your theme is too old to work with the current build
19:41:34saratogaassuming you downloaded it from the theme site, you should be able to download an updated version from there
19:41:37YDS10-YDS11SLty.. will check
19:42:52Chestetasaratoga: should i get the "Recommended for someone just wanting to compile rockbox" one? basically i need to be ableto applypatches
19:43:03saratogaits up to you
19:43:12Chestetabut that one can apply patches?
19:43:30saratogaany build environment can build rockbox
19:44:02Chestetaok great, i just didnt know what that version was 'lacking' or if it would impact applying patches
19:47:33n1sthat wouldn't make any sense
19:47:53n1sChesteta: what on the wiki made you think the vmware version was lacking something?
19:50:02saratogawell it used to lack the compiler, so you had to run one extra step to build it
19:50:08saratogabut thats fixed
19:50:44Chestetan1s: the wording "just wanting to compile rockbox", I would think that applying patches is more than just compiling, then again I do not know what the version that is geared towards rockbox development would have different either
19:51:30Chestetabasically its my lack of knowledge on the topic that led me to not understand :)
19:52:05n1ssaratoga: so the vmware image we provide has the arm-eabi toolchain?
19:52:21saratogayeah i updated them the other day
19:52:42n1snice
19:52:53saratogabut honestly they're so terrible in other respects its probably better to just download a stock ubuntu or debian image from sourceforge and then run rockboxdev.sh
19:54:31n1shmm, yes the wiki says "may be lacking for someone interested in serious development" about the vmware image
19:54:53n1swhich i can see could be confusing
19:55:02n1ssaratoga: how is the image terrible?
19:56:05saratogan1s: no gnome/kde, apt-get is so out of date it doesn't work so you can't update things, vmware format is so old it can't be used in virtualbox, and I couldn't get it to copy/paste to the command line no matter how hard i tried
19:56:26n1soh
19:56:28saratogatyping flyspray addresses to wget them == no fun
19:56:51n1swell, the first pint is intentional but the other stuff sounds bad
19:56:59n1ss/pint/point/
19:57:10saratogahaving gnome or kde is nice if you actually plan to do development
19:57:44n1swhen i used it i just set up the svn checkout in the vm on a network share and used a windows editor
19:57:45*gevaerts has to disagree with that, but he won't argue :)
19:58:17saratogaalso, we explicitly tell users to grab some ancient version of vmware since it doesn't require you to register, but it also doesn't seem to support multicore and lags badly on my machine
19:58:21n1sanyway i don't really see whay we should distribute vm's at all now that we have rockboxdev.sh
19:58:33saratogatrue
19:58:57gevaertsSome detailed instructions for a debian or ubuntu vm would be better I think
19:59:00saratogawe should probably just point people at the Ubuntu 10.10 virtualbox image and tell them to run rockboxdev.sh
19:59:06gevaertsEasier to maintain for a start...
19:59:22saratogathats what i ended up doing, took about 2 minutes to setup ignoring the 600MB download
19:59:59n1sgevaerts: yes, indeed
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20:00:15saratogapretty much just double click the image, sudo apt-get install build-essential svn, svn co ..., then sudo rockboxdev.sh
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20:00:49gevaertsWe could actually provide a script that does all that
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20:04:12YDS10-YDS11SLipodvideo...... Rockbox 3.7..... theme supported thru 3.7, but I get a black on white wps?
20:05:26saratogadid you update it?
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20:05:51YDS10-YDS11SLdowngraded from 3.7.1
20:06:48saratogano the theme
20:06:55saratogadid you update it?
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20:07:47marineswoot
20:07:58marinesUndefined instruction at 30138E48
20:08:05marinessansa c200v2
20:08:27marinesbuild 28828
20:09:03n1sYDS10-YDS11SL: did you actually REdownload the theme from the theme site?
20:09:12saratogaYDS10-YDS11SL: i'm not asking about rockbox, i'm asking about the theme, you have a version on your player that does not support 3.7, and a version on the web that does, did you try the version that says it supports 3.7 on your player?
20:09:53YDS10-YDS11SLi caught up to you d/l the theme and trying again
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20:16:32saratogado we ever execute code from inside the audio buffer?
20:17:01YDS10-YDS11SLlost you
20:17:19n1ssaratoga: no, codecs are buffered there but are copied to the codec buffer first
20:17:38saratogaok
20:18:07saratogamarines: that address is in the audio buffer, so no idea why it was trying to load an instruction from there
20:19:52marinesit happened while listening mp3s
20:20:37saratogai think the c200v2 has playback issues since theres so little RAM on that target
20:20:54saratogaour buffering code sometimes gets into trouble with an extremely small buffer size
20:21:09Torneamee2k: that's not good, you know; it should charge just fine in rockbox
20:21:14Torneamee2k: can you get a meter on it?
20:25:44marinesi thought v2 has more RAM than v1
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20:39:28saratogamarines: no (32 vs 2 MB)
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20:41:23marinesv1 has 32MB of RAM?
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20:48:49saratogayeah
20:49:12saratogamost older players had 32 MB of RAM
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20:53:36amee2kTorne: as in, hack up a USB cable so i can monitor the current draw?
20:54:08amee2ksure, but it'll take a moment
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21:01:21kugelamee2k: any progress on RaaA?
21:02:20marinesi can't belive it, my first PC had 32MB of RAM
21:02:36marinesnow audio players it :P
21:02:43marines*have it
21:03:02amee2koh, cool. my first ipod had that too :)
21:03:08amee2kwell, has actually
21:03:14*amee2k runs
21:03:26amee2kkugel: not yet. i'm still trying to figure out where my profiling attempt went off the tracks, but i'm a bit stalled right now due to lots of other stuff getting in the way
21:04:58amee2kactually, coming to think about it my first one also had 32M
21:05:26amee2kwell, first desktop anyway
21:05:28amee2kit was a 300MHz K6-2 with 4GB HDD
21:05:45amee2kbut before that i had an old laptop too... but the specs beat me after all these years
21:08:56kugelamee2k: profiling builds deadlocks in pthread_join it seems
21:09:29amee2ko.O
21:09:55amee2kmy man page only said that it will only profile the main thread, which incidentially is the offending one
21:10:07amee2kso i figured there wouldn't be too many proplems
21:10:56kugelwell, 10 out of 11 threads exit, the last one waits for another one to finish
21:11:06amee2kbut somehow i can't get it to properly vomit the profiling info file at the end
21:11:18kugelalthough I think the main thread creation isn't shown so it'd be 12 total threads
21:11:26kugelI can't get it to exit
21:11:35amee2khm.
21:11:41amee2kwell, mine did exit
21:11:49amee2ki just didn't get the file :/
21:12:41kugeli also don't get a file
21:13:15kugelcan I make a function return in gdb?
21:13:58amee2kfrom what i can dig up the profiling thing uses an exit handler to create the file, but don't take my word for that should lives depend on it
21:14:49amee2ki used to do "call exit()" in gdb before you made the F6 patch
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21:15:29kugelyea that doesn't work :)
21:15:45gevaertsYou could try to call that handler yourself from gdb
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21:16:49kugelif it uses an exit handler then call exit(0) should work
21:17:06amee2kyeah... at least thats what i thought
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21:18:14gevaertsUnless other exit handlers get in the way
21:18:36wodzhmm integrating ppm plugin with imageviewer will be nice
21:19:41kugelamee2k: another page says it puts the file into the working dir, so if a program calls chdir() it will pop up in a different place
21:19:54kugela getcwd() when it freezes suggests the cwd is at /
21:20:22wodz(int)(((float)LCD_WIDTH / (float)cols) * (float)rows); <- nice line in terms of rockbox.
21:20:55amee2kkugel: nothing there either, and i did run it as root on the dev system
21:21:14amee2kit still has a permissions issue with the framebuffer that i was too lazy to fix
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21:24:26marinesanyway downgrading memory capacity from 32MB to 2MB sounds ridiculous
21:25:26amee2kkugel: i just ran find / -name '*.out'; nada
21:26:03wodzmarines: not for accountant
21:27:18kugelamee2k: breaking on exit and going through all the exit handlers shows none which looks like coming from profiling
21:28:38amee2kkugel: do you have a way to check whether the process image contains the string "gprof.out" somewhere?
21:28:42marines;]
21:28:46amee2kor whatever the file was called again
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21:31:40DreamxtremeIs there a way to not log trackers to last.fm log that i play less then a given time say 5secs
21:31:53Dreamxtremeso if i skip the track it doesnt log
21:32:58Dreamxtreme*tracks even
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21:34:49kugelamee2k: $ strings rockbox | grep gmon
21:34:50kugel__gmon_start__
21:35:29LloreanDreamxtreme: I don't use the feature, but I seem to recall either Rockbox or the upload tool already addresses this in some way
21:36:10Dreamxtremeo cool ok thanks i'll havent uploaded any yet but i just looked at the log
21:39:19partCould someone add me to the WikiUsersGroup, my wikiname is TeemuHukkanen. Thanks.
21:40:23evilnick_BDreamxtreme: The logic is that if the song is < 60 seconds then it shouldn't scrobble, or if you play < 50% it shouldn't scrobble.
21:40:44TorneDreamxtreme: yes, the uploading interface handles the logic there
21:40:56Dreamxtremeyes i see it now :D
21:40:56evilnick_BDreamxtreme: Also, on the logfile, you might notice that the last column is either L or S. L = listened to, and S = skipped
21:41:07Dreamxtremeusing http://scrob.paulstead.com
21:41:30Dreamxtremeexcellent thanks
21:41:35gevaertspart: done. Welcome!
21:41:37Dreamxtremelove this player
21:41:53partgevaerts: thanks
21:43:04Garethscorche|sh: ping
21:44:46kugelamee2k: a test program produces gmon.out but I can't open it with gprof :\
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21:45:16Luca_SMy FuzeV2 no longer connects on USB, not even with the OF :( it charges only
21:45:35Luca_Scould it be the cable maybe?
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21:47:35BuschelTheSeven: did you find any information about the iPod classic's DAC from cirrus logic yet?
21:47:44TheSevennope
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21:48:00kugelgprof: gmon.out: not in executable format
21:48:10TheSevenbut most (if not all) cirrus codecs seem to have publicly-available datasheets
21:48:11Luca_Sno, wait... neither other USB gadgets work... maybe it's the pc...rebooting
21:48:12BuschelTheSeven: I've googled a bit and found this -> http://kthx.ath.cx/trac/nc600/attachment/wiki/Hardware/NC600/CS42L52_F1.pdf
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21:48:25TheSevenso it's hopefully just a matter of digging through all of them and probing registers
21:49:13amee2kkugel: maybe its in a lib linked in from somewhere at runtime, but i don't like the smell of that :/
21:49:28amee2khow did you modify the build process to enable profiling?
21:49:44BuschelTheSeven: this codec is referenced in a review and is stated to be used in the classic as well -> http://digital8.org/reviews/ramos-t13-fhd-review-kenand-959.html
21:49:46amee2kjust add -pg to GCCOPTS?
21:49:50kugelyea
21:50:53*TheSeven wonders where those guys got that information from
21:51:00TheSevenbut yes, it's very valuable information
21:51:15Buschela good starting point at least
21:51:54TheSevenhowever, "The sound output of the device is very good." doesn't match several reports for the ipod classic :)
21:52:05TheSeven(but that probably depends on measuring equipment)
21:52:14Buschelhehe, I thought the same
21:52:58saratogaLuca_S: time to buy more Sansas!
21:53:26kugelamee2k: the file is created in _mcleanup() which isn't called from RaaA (its symbol isn't even in the binary)
21:53:35TheSevenBuschel: how did you manage to find that post?
21:54:19Buscheljust googled for "ipod classic cirrus logic"
21:54:28Buschel:)
21:55:29TheSevenfunny
21:55:43TheSevenhowever, there doesn't seem to be anything responding on i2c address 0x94 :/
21:55:49TheSevenat least not on the first bus
21:55:56amee2kmmmh, this is annoying
21:55:57TheSeven(and the second bus doesn't work at all - need to figure out why)
21:56:32TheSevenit could also just be powered down
21:56:38*TheSeven checks the PMU
21:57:03TheSeventhere are two rails powered down, one at 3.000V and one at 3.300V
21:57:06TheSevenmight be one of those
21:57:34kugelamee2k: oh ha! you also need to add it to LDOPTS (or GLOBAL_LDOPTS)
21:58:09kugelI have a gmon.out for RaaA now
21:58:21kugelbut gprof still doesn't like to open it
21:59:01saratogai wonder how that reviewer knows what DAC the ipod classic uses?
21:59:22*kugel slaps forehead
21:59:40kugelworks now
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22:01:01TheSevensaratoga: possibly from here: http://www.waybeta.com/news/1004/hd-quotcorequot-state-yin-yue-department-of-t17fhd-user-evaluation-dismantling-_-blue-devils-mp3/2/
22:01:21TheSeven"Audio DAC 42L52CNZ from the crystal company, IPOD Classic also uses the company's DAC."
22:01:28TheSevenwhich would be clearly misinterpreted then
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22:02:04saratogaso i guess someone at cirrus must have mentioned it
22:02:12saratogasince as far as I can tell no one has reverse engineered it
22:04:04Luca_Ssaratoga: if only they were easier to find in shops! I bought mine while casually walking in Milan, about 800km from home :) (I don't buy online things that cost more than 25 Euros, too difficult to handle RMA / refunds / guarantees...)
22:04:19Luca_Sin this case however a good power cycling did the trick ;)
22:04:26saratogaLuca_S: ah, they're dirt cheap in the US
22:04:33TheSevenmy suspicion is that this guy stated that <whatever device 1> uses a cirrus 42l52cnz codec (same company as the one in the ipod classic), and the other guy interpreted wrongly and said that <whatever device 2> uses a cirrus 42l52cnz codec (same codec as the one in the ipod classic)
22:04:55saratogaah
22:05:15saratogawell at least you have a suspected company
22:05:26saratogaif you find a few registers it might be possible to find a datasheet
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22:06:13TheSevenyeah, that company suspicion is very widespread, but apparently also based on reverse engineering (someone uncapped the chip?)
22:06:25*TheSeven needs to do a full i2c bus scan
22:07:59saratogamost of the other ipod DACs were figured out by starting with the wolfson logo and working back to find a similar datasheet
22:08:48TheSevensadly there are no audio tests in diagmode
22:08:58bertrikmany wolfson codecs have basically the same register layout
22:09:05TheSevenso figuring out the i2c address and a rough sketch of the register map that way won't work :/
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22:12:36CIA-45New commit by 03saratoga (r28832): Make it more clear that key lock is our software hold switch function.
22:14:50CIA-45r28832 build result: All green
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22:20:39Luca_SI wish I could understand half of what rockboxdev.sh does... "Checking if the compiler understands ADA" WTF? :D
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22:20:56gevaertsThat's not really rockboxdev.sh
22:21:01gevaertsThat's the gcc build system
22:21:43Luca_Sso it's actually building gcc?
22:21:54gevaertswell yes
22:22:47Luca_SI see (but I still wonder under which conditions ADA is required to build gcc)
22:22:57saratogabasically it just downloads the gcc source, applies a patch to it, and then runs the gcc configure script
22:23:00Tornegcc has an ada frontend
22:23:08Luca_SI suppose that's off topic however :)
22:23:10Torneto compile this requires an ada compiler
22:23:10Luca_Saha
22:23:28Tornewe're not building it so it doesn't matter whether yo hve one or not
22:23:31Tornebut configure checks anyway
22:23:45Luca_Smakes sense, thanks
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22:23:53saratogaanyone mind if i commit this? works fine for me FS #11799 - Less disk activity patch for text viewer plugin
22:24:12Chestetahello, i just downloaded the vmware image and vmware and am trying to check out rockbox from svn
22:24:56ChestetaI am having difficulty connecting to the internet through vmware
22:25:12Luca_SChesteta: the VMWare image is quite outdated, it's actually faster if you prepare a plain Ubuntu install
22:25:29Luca_Soh well, internet worked for me (not the rest though)
22:25:39Chestetaic
22:25:47saratogai just uploaded the vmware image, internet works fine
22:25:55saratogaso if its not working for you its a problem with your machine or vmware install and not the image
22:26:01Chestetaok thanks
22:26:06Luca_Ssaratoga: there's a new vmware image?
22:26:14saratogaits the same image i just updated the compilers
22:26:21saratogathis weekend
22:26:39Chestetais there an easy way to check if i have connectivity from vmware?
22:26:45saratogaping google.com
22:26:49Chestetak
22:27:27Chestetanot working
22:27:29Chesteta:)
22:33:47CIA-45New commit by 03saratoga (r28833): Commit FS #11799 by Alexander Meshcheryakov. Improves the text viewer plugin to write to the disk less often, and correct several minor bugs.
22:36:08CIA-45r28833 build result: All green
22:36:36Luca_SToday I experienced my first data abort in a long time: FuzeV2, Data Abort at 3006127C, FSR0x8, Address FFFF0004 - playback was switching from a track to another, no skipping involved and the track played fine after rebooting
22:37:04saratogaif you have the map file for that build you can look up whats at that address
22:38:53Luca_SI don't have it, the linux vm I used was borked and I just nuked it. I had the cpu frequency switching patch compiled in... but I can live with a crash each month :)
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22:49:49saratogai want to retest frequency scaling once bertrik reworks the sd card driver
22:50:03saratogaas i recall it was suspected to be the problem with frequency scaling
22:50:24marinesmy sansa c240 just hung up
22:50:30marinesonly hard reset helped
22:50:47saratogayes thats expected, no need to report it
22:50:56Chestetasaratoga: could i upgrade to the newer vmware to fix it? it keeps telling me there is a new version
22:51:13saratogatry it and see
22:51:22Chestetais it free?
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22:52:30Luca_Ssaratoga: it could be, the casual hangs I had were mostly when changing tracks. actually I'm puzzled because I seem to be the only one that has some improvement in run time. While accelerated battery benches show just a few minutes runtime more, in daily use the savings are much more noticeable
22:52:58saratogai got an extra hour of battery life when i tested
22:53:49Luca_SI'm not crazy then :)
22:53:58Luca_Sanybody knows how to use the AA fonts patch?
22:55:30Luca_Safter applying the patch, it complains that it can't find freetype-config
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23:00:28Luca_Sok, I needed to apt-get install libfreetype6-dev
23:00:28Luca_Sok, I needed to apt-get install libfreetype6-dev
23:00:36Luca_S(sorry, CGI lagging)
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23:08:47CIA-45New commit by 03fredwbauer (r28834): FS #11765: Improve AMSv1 Battery Life by Lowering CPU and Peripheral clocks. Unboosted CPU and peripheral clock is now 31MHz. Boosted CPU and pclk are ...
23:10:42CIA-45r28834 build result: All green
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23:31:02saratogafreddyb: nice
23:31:23saratoganow feel free to look at the arm9 memory controller and see if we can save some power or improve performance there ;)
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23:32:50freddybsaratoga: geez, it never ends... :p
23:33:05saratogai hope not, be a crappy hobby if it did
23:33:23saratogaalso i've always suspected some of the various VRMs in the as chip could be lowered to save some power
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23:35:54Luca_Sthe ubuntu font looks pretty nice on the fuze with AA fonts patch
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23:38:32freddybI hope AA fonts get another look as the screens get bigger. TTF fonts are everywhere.
23:38:59Torneyou can already make ttf fonts into rockbox fonts, you know. (indirectly, but it works)
23:39:07Tornejust, not antialiased.
23:39:24Tornelooks fine if it's a hinted font or you use a renderer with decent autohinting
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23:40:18Luca_STorne: maybe I didn't understand correctly what it's going on, but it seems to me that convttf converts ttf to fnt using AA if the relative patch is applied
23:40:35freddybHow does Torne do it? Fontforge?
23:40:54Tornefreddyb: various command line utils from freetype
23:41:10Tornethe ft renderer autohints okay if you give it a clue with some tuning params
23:41:26freddybLuca_S: Torne is saying that you don't have to have the AA patch to use ttf fonts un antialiased.
23:42:15*Torne 's experience is that if you tweak hinting params most TTF fonts look fine without antialiasing anyway
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23:42:31Torneit's a little more effort to do, but how often do you make a theme. :)
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23:43:42kugelfreddyb: why didn't you go for 32/64/192MHz?
23:44:17Luca_Swell, for now I'll settle on ubuntu font regular at 16 px :) it needs just a tweak to the wps to offset a few pixels the first text line
23:47:31kugelLuca_S: does it look nice? have a screenshot maybe?
23:47:34freddybkugel: i'm pretty happy with 31/31 and 186/62. Battery life is good and I couldn't find any codec or plugin that became unusable. There's not much penalty for going straight from 31 to 186, so switching more vs. running at 61 is not a problem.
23:48:19kugelI think the extra mhz can help a bit with slow memory at 31mhz
23:48:27Luca_Skugel: as soon as the OF ends refreshing the DB... :/
23:49:45kugelyou can (almost safely) force poweroff after unmounting but before unplugging the cable
23:49:45freddybkugel: do you mean 32/32, 64/64, 64/192?
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23:50:25kugelI mean 32/32 and 64/192
23:51:31kugelI thought we only didn't do 64 because we had exceeded the specs when boosted (over 250MHz)
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23:53:29freddybI dunno, I was thinking about lowering it a little more for my own build. I don't have performance issues and I'm using cpu munching extras like big aa-fonts and drop shadows.
23:54:56kugelit can be worth it if it prevents boosting for codecs
23:55:12saratogain theory the memory clock can go up to 90MHz
23:55:19saratogamight be neat to see if theres a way to get that working
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23:55:26saratogafunman looked at it briefly but gave up IIRC
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23:56:07Luca_Swhere is the screendump function gone? I can't find it anymore :/
23:56:11saratogaalthough since the IRAM is still locked at 64MHz I guess theres not much point
23:56:17saratogaunless we put codecs back into DRAM
23:56:36Luca_Sah, it's in the debug menu
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23:58:32amee3kTorne, i'm back, and i just hacked up a USB cable so i can measure the current
23:58:40amee3kwhat do i do now?
23:59:01kugelamee3k: saw my comment about profiling? LDOPTS needs -pg also

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