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#rockbox log for 2010-12-15

00:00:18amee3kTorne, its full right now. whats the fastest way to run down the battery?
00:00:26amee3kplaying video in an endless loop?
00:00:31Torneer, dunno.
00:00:35Torneit shouldn't need to be run down very far
00:00:52Torne85-90% should be enough i think
00:07:12saratogajust leave the backlight on for 20 minutes
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00:10:08Luca_Sis USB plug the only event that can trigger a screendump?
00:10:55gevaertsCurrently implemented, yes
00:11:32Luca_Sand I suppose that on devices that don't use the RB usb stack it just doesn't work, am I wrong?
00:11:37amee3kTorne, you debug battery menu seems to show different battery voltages on the two pages?
00:12:02Torneer, it may not be showing the same thing exactly
00:12:09amee3knot really
00:12:15Torneand it fluctuates, also ;)
00:12:23amee3kwell, the values are close, but they seem to show different samples
00:12:25TorneLuca_S: it should work on anything where we know enough to spot the cable being inserted
00:12:31Torneamee3k: oh, yes, probaly
00:12:35gevaertsLuca_S: well, yes and no
00:12:38amee3klike 4.101 vs. 4.095
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00:12:51Tornethey're just sampling it themselves
00:12:59amee3kah
00:13:02Torneon whatever timer they feel like updating the screen from
00:13:06Torneit's not a global value
00:13:17Torneso they won't be in sync
00:13:22gevaertsIt should work on anything where we know enough to spot the cable being inserted, *except* on those targets where USB support was disabled by patching out the cable detection...
00:13:24pixelmadid the 3.7.1 release get its own branch or was it just a build off of the 3.7 branch?
00:13:38gevaertsit's the 3.7 branch
00:13:48pixelmaok, thanks
00:14:03amee3ksays 94% now in the debug menu. should i plug it back in?
00:17:13Torneyeah, try it
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00:21:18amee3kaaah, i want to rape xchat
00:21:35amee3k^W is supposed to do what i mean >_<
00:21:52Bagdercan you please refrain from such language here
00:22:06amee3ki know it belongs to -offtopic, thanks
00:22:11Luca_Sgevaerts: well, RB could "understand" that a cable is connected since it starts charging. however there's probably a million reasons why it's done that way, and screendump is not that indispensable. I'll try compiling a sim tomorrow. Goodnight
00:22:14amee3kTorne, it went straight up to 100mA, and like 5 seconds later to 350mA
00:22:20amee3kand now its staying there
00:22:33Tornewell, that may be as much current as it needs to charge for the curreent level
00:22:34gevaertsLuca_S: yes, it could be handled a lot better
00:22:52Tornewhen the battery is nearly full it charges with constant voltage which means hte current drops off as the battery gets closer to charged
00:23:04Tornei guess try again when it's discharged a lot more, like, to the 50% you were at before
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00:24:08amee3ki'll be going to bed in maybe 30min but i'll leave it running overnight to discharge
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00:36:30freddybKugel: Regarding the clocks, i thought it was better to use a frequency below what is required for most codecs and boost when necessary. That gives the battery savings of the lower frequency when using an easy codec with the capability of boosting a bit to take care of the slower codecs.
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01:04:14BiceAnyone have any tips on how to repair/replace an iPod hard drive?
01:04:28JdGordon|ifixit.com
01:06:26BiceHmmm, a new 80gb hard drive costs $109.95? That's almost as much as I paid for the iPod itself on eBay.
01:08:19BiceI was hoping there was a cheaper option, but I guess I'm out of luck. I wonder if the guy who sold it to me knew the hard drive was shot when he sold it...
01:08:42saratogasome mp3 players can use CF cards, check if yours is one of them
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01:08:56BiceWhat's a CF card?
01:09:28gevaertsThat's not going to be cheaper if you want to get anywhere near 80GB
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01:09:53dfktBice - http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CFModGuide
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01:11:33BiceUnfortunately the 80GB was what made me decide to finally switch to MP3 in the first place. I was tired of lugging a bunch of CDs to work and was looking for something I could load the majority of my collection on to.
01:12:33BiceThere aren't any other Rockbox-supported players that are close to 80gb are there?
01:13:39Tornemost of the hard disk players can be upgraded to pretty much any size you can find to buy
01:13:48Tornethe ipodvideo is the only one that comes with an 80gb drive
01:13:57Torneyou can get a gigabeat S with a 60GB drive, that's the next closest standard size
01:14:24BiceI found a site that would upgrade the 80gb iPod video to 240 gb, which would be awesome, but they wanted around $250 to do it which is a bit out of my price range.
01:14:42Torneanyway, yeah, i'm not surprised a replacement drive is as much as the ipod
01:14:50saratogayour best bet is to buy another 80 GB drive or another ipod
01:14:50Tornethe drive is the most valuable part, at this time :)
01:15:00Tornethe actual ipod is a component in plentiful supply
01:15:10BiceWell, thanks for the pointers.
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02:35:38the_KyleI noticed that there's an increase in battery performance for AMSv1 in a recent commit. Does this do anything at all on AMSv2, or is battery performance/clock speed already optimal on AMSv2?
02:36:29JdGordon|that or is very misplaced
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02:44:18the_KyleI'm noticing a strange radio problem. If I select the radio from the menu, it automatically starts at the most recently tuned station. However if I select the radio for the start or wakeup screen, it starts at static. Is this a known issue, or should I report it?
02:45:15the_KyleI can turn the radio sound off and then back on, and that action alone retunes the frequency.
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02:55:43Chestetahello, I am trying to get things running in ubuntu
02:56:01ChestetaI have internet connectivity
02:56:23Chestetabasically I am having issues getting subversion installed
02:56:35Chestetaif anyone can assist I would greatly appreciate it
02:56:48JdGordon|this isnt a ubuntu support channel
02:56:54JdGordon|sudo apt-get install subversion
02:58:28Chestetai apologize, i just got it, i was typing app-get instead of apt-get
02:59:16pixelmasoap: (since you seem to be active) foum spam: jhtHn12i9
02:59:24pixelmaforum too
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03:00:19soapon it
03:00:57pixelmathanks
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03:03:31soapscorche, your new spam deletion SMF addon doesn't move the spams to the trash. It appears to vaporize them. Perhaps this is a setting?
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04:40:58the_KyleAbout how long should it take to fully charge my Clip+ when plugged into a PC and running the Rockbox USB stack? Unfortunately, I'm not able to read the charging status.
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05:32:02the_KyleI wasn't able to see the charging status, but I did find that if the player is charging, but is not connected to the computer, the voice will say "100%" and give a remaining time slightly over 17 hours instead of saying "charging."
05:34:26the_KyleThis applies both to the battery status in "Rockbox info" and the battery status that can be announced with the fs#11541 patch.
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06:39:18eWillI think someone may have asked me a question hours ago, but I fell asleep, and it's gone. If you remember, ask again.
06:40:21JdGordon|this channel is logged.... you'd know that if you read the topic
06:41:46eWillsorry. How do i reprint the topic?
06:42:32eWillnevermind
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07:29:25scorchesoap: no - i thought i had explained this before, but it puts it into a weird state of limbo - the posts are still viewable from recent posts and rss, however they are hidden from the forum proper until they are deleted or restored
07:30:47scorchean admin or global mod should be able to get access to them via admin > forum > akismet configuration...it will then list any comments that it caught that it thinks are spammy. If all comments are spam, then hit the "delete all spam" button...if not, then check which ones are not spam and hit the "not spam >>" button
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09:07:13AlexPscorche: Did you see my Packard Bell question? The Vibe 500 is stable, so there ought to to be a Packard Bell Installation sub forum.
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09:07:32scorchei saw it, but havent had the time to do it yet
09:07:40AlexPno worries
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09:07:51scorchei know it takes 30 seconds, but i will get to it tomorrow or some such
09:08:05AlexPThere is no hurry, just checking you had seen it :)
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11:25:17Stummihm, if rockboy is not shutting down clean (when it crashes, for example), and resume the playback then, the sound seems to be distorted. The sound is played very slower then it realy is. Does somebody have an idea what could be the reason for this?
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11:27:57*TheSeven wonders what has happened to the user pages in the wiki
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11:30:17TheSevenStummi: a lot slower and with lower pitch?
11:30:33Stummiyes
11:31:03TheSevensounds like the I2S clock would be corrupted for some reason
11:31:09TheSevenI assume rockbox uses the user timer?
11:31:25TheSevenand which target is this happening one?
11:31:46TheSevenon*
11:32:23TheSevenwhich sampling rate does rockboy use for its own sound playback?
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11:32:32StummiI saw this for myself on sansa fuze v2, and according to an comment in the tracker it seems also to occour on ipod nano 2g (i will test this then)
11:33:13TheSevenmaybe it's switching the sampling rate to e.g. 22050 and not setting it back to 44100, and the playback code relies on it to be still set to the last value it was set to by playback?
11:33:59pixelmaa test in a sim might be worthwhile too if it is a general swcodec problem
11:34:28pixelmaalthough I don't know how to crash Rockboy deliberately
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11:35:00Stummipixelma, just open anything, which is not a regular rom-file with rockboy
11:35:01TheSeven"crash" in what terms? if you can still resume playback it must have exited at least somewhat cleanly
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11:35:42wodzpixelma: if TheSeven hypothesis stands this is not reproducible in sim
11:36:02TheSevenwodz: the sampling rate hypothesis? and why?
11:36:22n1sthe sim doesn't do != 44.1kHz IIRC
11:36:41TheSevenis it able to play sound in rockboy at all then?
11:36:54TheSevenor do we software-side resampling in that case?
11:37:12pixelmaI'd say that makes the test even more worth it
11:37:26n1si'm sorry but i don't remember the details
11:37:32TheSevencould that still be affected by code setting the sampling rate and not setting it back when it terminates?
11:38:22TheSevenStummi: how does it "crash"? do you mean throw some splashf and terminate because of a failed assertion or something?
11:39:13StummiTheSeven, no, it seems to end regular with an error-code
11:39:30Stummiand the problem exists also on sim
11:39:43TheSeven...but probably not clean up properly before :)
11:39:52Stummiyes, i think that is it
11:40:19Stummii have to see how this is made then
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11:45:13n1sindeed, if rockboy errors out it never restores the sample rate
11:45:38n1srockboy.c:467-473
11:46:17n1si do wonder however if the plugin code should not make sure that the sample rate is correctly reset or perhaps playback when it is started the next time
11:46:28n1sthis solution seems very fragile
11:47:09Stummihow is the sample rate is set? That i know for which keyword i shall look
11:47:27n1srb->pcm_set_frequency
11:47:30n1sin plugins
11:47:55n1srockboy does this in rockboy_pcm_init and rockboy_pcm_close
11:48:14n1sbut the call to rockboy_pcm_close is skipped if an error occurrs
11:48:50Stummimaybe i have the two rows (if... rockboy_pcm_close()) just set over the shut-part
11:48:58Stummi*move
11:49:25n1syes that would fix it in this case but the solution is fragile, it would be better if playback set the sample rate it wanted
11:49:56TheSeveni'd rather have the plugin code handle that
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11:50:33TheSevenotherwise you might run into trouble if playback is paused/resumed immediately after each other
11:50:43Stummimaybe sometime there is a case where it desired that a plugin changes the sample rate on a way, where it affects the playback
11:50:56TheSeven(as IIRC at least some targets reconfigure the codec and DMA in that function)
11:50:58n1sright, playback never switches the hw sample rate, so just resetting it to default after a plugin exits is probably simpler
11:51:35TheSevenmaybe we should protect that function so that it immediately returns if someone's trying to set the sampling rate to its current value (if that is not already the case)
11:52:30n1sor just check that curr_sampr != 44.1kHz and set it to 44.1kHz
11:52:48*TheSeven doesn't like that kind of hard-wiring things
11:53:34n1show is it worse than pretending to change it and relying on the called function not doing anything if it doesn't have to?
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11:55:44n1spcm_apply_settings does check that pcm_sampr != pcm_curr_sampr
11:55:49wodzis there any situation where we configure codec for other freq in playback?
11:55:56n1swodz: no
11:56:00wodzother than 44k1
11:56:23TheSevenwhat i meant is the following:
11:56:23TheSeven- make sure that nothing happens if the sampling rate is already set correctly and pcm_set_frequency is called
11:56:23TheSeven- have playback always restore the sampling rate on resume
11:56:23DBUGEnqueued KICK TheSeven
11:56:23TheSeven(what if a plugin doesn't do PCM at all, but playback changed the sampling rate while the plugin was running? restoring the sampling rate from before entering the plugin on exit (by the plugin code) would not be a good idea then)
11:57:12TheSevenn1s, wodz: but we may actually want to do non-44100 playback one day, so i wouldn't rely on that, even though it might hold true right now
11:57:24n1sTheSeven: if the plugin didn't change the sample rate my check would have been false and the rate would never be touched
11:57:44TheSevenif pcm_apply_settings is already checking that, restoring the sampling rate on playback resume should be safe
11:58:39n1syes, probably (that is wat i suggested at first but you said you wanted the plugin code to handle it...)
11:59:13TheSevenyeah, i wasn't aware of the pcm code handling this situation
11:59:28TheSevenand i found the reason why doing it in the plugin code won't work right :)
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12:01:00n1si think either way will work but relying on each plugin doing the right thing doesn't :)
12:01:53TheSeventhe way i originally proposed won't work if playback will ever change sampling rates on-the-fly
12:02:25wodzIMO the core should do sanity checks - we have much strict controll over code going to core than on plugins
12:04:39wodzand plugin should not be able to influence the system operation btw. Well we have no separation kernel/userspace technically but plugins are more userspace programs and core is more system
12:05:53n1syes i agree, and we do some other cleanups after plugins exit since they could mess things up for the core
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12:09:57wodzteru: ping
12:10:06teruwodz: pong
12:10:25wodzare you going to port ppm plugin to imageviewer?
12:11:44teruI want to do it if i have a time, but i haven't done anything yet.
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12:14:21wodzI may do it if you like
12:17:09terufeel free to do it.
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12:21:05wodzI have one design concern - currently ppmviewer reads the data byte-by-byte from the disk, parses this on the fly and writes result to fb. All other image decoders copy the file first to the buffer (to reduce disk activity). If we do the same for ppm we may reduce max filesize which loads correctly
12:21:17wodzI don't know if this is real issue or not
12:21:43gevaertsDoes that really reduce disk activity?
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12:22:38n1ssingle byte reads are kind of slow and if the processing is nontrivial the disk will be kept spinning longer
12:23:13n1swodz: maybe a compromize with block loading of, say a kB at a time?
12:23:17soapscorche, yea, I understand _that_ part about how it deals with spam messages. I was talking about what it does _after_ you delete them. ;)
12:25:23wodzDon't we cache sector? so subsequent 1byte reads are from cache until sector bonduary is crossed?
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12:36:00Stummihu?
12:36:31gevaertsI'd ignore that one
12:36:38gevaertsLooks like a build client problem
12:37:08Stummiok
12:37:21Stummiwhere was this site where the commits and the build results are listed?
12:37:32gevaertshttp://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi
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12:46:14n1swodz: ah, maybe we do, byt the call overhead should be quite big for 1byte reads anyway
12:49:24wodzfew kB buffer on the stack won't hurt
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13:11:08teruJdGordon: i updated patch in FS #11777. could you comment?
13:12:08JdGordonnot tonight
13:13:44teruis it ok if i commit it and synch FS #11808?
13:14:31JdGordonuh, ok
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13:23:28amee2ki just came back home from university and the ipod was flat again so i put it back on the PC
13:24:30amee2kcurrent had jumped straight to 300mA and its just displaying a large battery symbol with a flash arrow on one side (no text)
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13:25:19amee2kits also not yet showing up as USB device on the host (not even lsusb)
13:25:37gevaertsSounds like the OF very low battery handling
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13:41:34Torneamee2k: That is, indeed, the OF handling the battery being completely discharged
13:41:41Torneyou need to have not discharged it that much :)
13:45:42Bushmillsbe careful when recharging LiIon after draining they were drained completely
13:45:51amee2kTorne: i put RB on repeat one and left it playing over night
13:46:34TorneBushmills: that never happens with our players, really
13:46:52TorneBushmills: draining a lipoly battery "completely" in a portable media player is virtually impossible
13:46:53amee2kit just reset a minute or so ago on its own, RB is running and its enumerating as USB device. charge current is still only ~330mA though
13:47:14Bushmillscells should probably be protected, and cut off at voltages below 3 or 2.7 volts
13:47:15TorneThat probably just means that it's in constant current charging mode and it only wants to use that much
13:47:28amee2khm.
13:47:32CIA-45New commit by 03teru (r28836): remaining of FS #11777. Use rockbox_browse() to display playlists in Playlist Catalog.
13:47:42TorneThe chip only has limits of 100 and 500, selected by a single wire
13:47:46Torneit's not "programmed" in any way
13:47:56Tornethe chip's charging behaviour is implemented in hardware, with just a couple of on/off controls
13:48:13Tornebut 500 is just a regulated limit, it doesn't actually draw that much if it doesn't want to
13:48:20amee2ki don't think its possible to fit more than maybe 600..700mAh in a battery pack that small, eh?
13:48:40TorneBushmills: The regulators that drive the player's electronics will, virtually guaranteed, cut out long before you are in the point where it'll damage the cells
13:48:41amee2kthat means it should be pretty full in less than 2 hours
13:48:48Torneamee2k: yes, pretty much
13:49:27TorneBushmills: and players like the ipods with hardware controlled charging have charge controllers that know how to protect the cells
13:49:51CIA-45r28836 build result: All green
13:49:52Torneso yeah. it will *never* deep discharge unless you discharge it until the device doesn't work then leve it on a shelf for six months
13:50:17Tornethe OF only stops the device from powering up when it's discharged low because it knows that the storage device powerup draws too much current
13:50:25Torneand will just shut the player off again :)
13:50:46BushmillsTorne: "discharged" and "Lithium" triggers a reflex in me - i have a few unprotected cells, requiring me to be extra alert.
13:50:53Torneso it sits there in charge-only mode without activating most of its devices for a while until it gets to 10-20%
13:51:04TorneBushmills: Like i said, it doesn't even matter if they're protected genreally
13:51:16Tornerockbox's shutoff voltage is usually 3.1V or so
13:51:20Bushmills..using those in devices which do not cut off
13:51:38Torneand that's not to save the batteries, that's because the device will just power off due to regulator failure if you go much further
13:51:48Torneand we don't like hard poweroffs because you can't save settings/playbackposition/etc :)
13:57:22Torneamee2k: anyway, just see what happens; if it seems to stop charging, is it still drawing current then :)
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14:02:52*Stummi wonders if localized rockbox-communities would make sense (like #rockbox-de )
14:03:33amee2kimo not really
14:04:22amee2kime localized channels are used more like a #rockbox-community-de than for on topic talk
14:04:40amee2kand they're usually very small compared to the english (main) channel
14:05:27Stummiok
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15:27:25eWillwhere is in the source is the length of time required to hold the off switch (to shut down)? (fuze v2)
15:28:43n1sprobably in the button driver
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15:30:17eWillwhat's the file name, please?
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15:31:49Guest87228is there virtualbox user around?
15:32:24Guest87228I'm using it as vmware replacement for rockbox
15:33:25n1seWill: i don't know off hand
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15:34:16StummiGuest24228 aka dos: What do you want to know?
15:34:31Guest87228virtualbox don't let's me configure the number of core my cpu have. I have core 2 duo here, but I canot change this to use the 2 cores and build fast and use ccache
15:34:33Guest87228any hint?
15:34:53eWillOk is it header file? firmware/target/arm/as3525/sansa-fuzev2/button-target.h And the line is: #define POWEROFF_COUNT 10
15:35:03[Saint]n1s: wouldn't it be built into hardware, like the iPods?
15:35:16[Saint](re: off button)
15:35:30wodzGuest24228: this is virtualbox question not rockbox related
15:35:35wodzgrrr
15:35:36n1s[Saint]: no, not the regular shutdown
15:35:45wodzGuest87228:^
15:35:47[Saint]ah.
15:35:53eWill[Saint]: the OF requires a much shorter hold time to shut down
15:36:19wodzeWill: thats the define
15:36:20Guest87228wodz: sorry, I'm trying to get this out to build *rockbox*
15:36:32wodzthat doesn't matter honestly
15:36:42eWillwodz: is that a yes?
15:36:55StummiGuest24228, why don't you use vmware?
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15:37:08gevaertsGuest87228: that doesn't mean *we* know about it
15:37:29Guest87228Stummi: me?
15:37:33wodzeWill: the line you pasted says 10 seconds to power off
15:37:46n1seWill: yes, that's the number of repeat events needed to power off afaict
15:37:54n1ssee drivers/button.c:243
15:38:01Guest87228gevaerts: sure thing, sorry for the troubles
15:38:14wodzhmm I was sure it is in seconds
15:38:27Guest87228I thought maybe some of you use virtualbox and rockbox
15:38:34wodzbut I was wrong apparently
15:39:07StummiGuest24228, you could ask in a virtualbox-related channel, maybe there can somebody help you.
15:39:19n1swodz: the code seems to count repeat events, and 10 seconds would be pretty annoying ;)
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15:39:53wodzn1s: you are right
15:40:38wodzwell it is in 10ms units than as events are emitted from tick task
15:41:18wodzor not, nevermind
15:41:38n1si was actually thinking about making that shorter on the fuze as it's kind of difficult to power it off
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15:42:56eWillok I only want to change the hold time for the Fuze (my other targets have easily bumped off-buttons). So I can just lower #define POWEROFF_COUNT 10 ?
15:43:31n1stry it
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15:51:03pixelmaStummi: (regarding localised communities) did you know that there is a German Rockbox forum?
15:52:31Stummino
15:54:24Stummiwhere can i find this?
15:54:55pixelmathat's one my points why I think these doesn't work too well. Plus. if there are many places to go then I'd be unsure where to
15:54:57pixelmahttp://www.rockbox-lounge.de/index.php
15:56:03pixelmaI only know of one current dev who was active there and one regular visitor here (and there)
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16:34:32eWill#define POWEROFF_COUNT 1 makes shutdown speed very close to the OF. I thought make would be really fast with just that little change.
16:35:10eWillwith ccache that is.
16:36:27eWillHZ always depends on the target −− right? For the Fuze v2 it's 240 −− right?
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16:37:49gevaertseWill: that file is included more or less everywhere
16:37:54saratogaI think its always 100
16:38:03wodzYou don't have to know the HZ value really.
16:38:40eWillwell I want to change line 73 in button.c #define REPEAT_INTERVAL_START (16*HZ/100)
16:39:51gevaertsThen why don't you? :)
16:39:56wodzhow to deal with removing functions from plugin_api in apps/plugin.c ?
16:41:10Zagorwodz: don't
16:42:06Zagorwodz: what are you thinking of removing?
16:42:13wodzno excuse - if I rework i2c handling I have to remove i2c_begin, i2c_end
16:42:40n1swodz: just remove them, adjust any plugins and bump the min version
16:42:51gevaertsWe have i2c stuff in the plugin API?
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16:43:07Zagorgevaerts: for archos only
16:43:41gevaertsright. Wav playback and things like that?
16:43:48ZagorI guess so
16:50:41wodzi2c_random_write() <- I love this name :-)
16:52:07wodzhijack_interrupts() <- my secon favourite
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17:15:47amee2kTorne: my ipod is full :(
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17:17:10Torneamee2k: why is that a :(
17:17:19Tornesurely that means it's charging properly and everything is fine
17:17:48amee2kit means i can't reproduce the odd behaviour from yesterday
17:19:00Torneis it possible that you hadn't turned on usb charging yesterday? :)
17:19:15Torneone point i didn't mention is that it only checks that setting *at the time you plug the cable in*
17:19:16amee2kno, i checked when you told me, remember?
17:19:23Torneif you change it after it's already connected, it doesn't take effec
17:19:24amee2kit was set to yes
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17:46:58wodzwhat happens If I have two subsequent calls mutex_lock(&some_mtx) ?
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17:48:30wodzthe second call blocks untill mutex_unlock(&some_mtx) is called?
17:53:24pamaurythat would be sensible
17:54:17gevaertsDo you mean in the same thread?
17:59:23wodzfirmware/drivers/pcf50605.c:56 pcf50605_write_multiple()
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18:00:30wodzit calls i2c_lock() which in turn calls mutex_lock(&i2c_mtx) than pp_i2c_send() calls mutex_lock(&i2c_mtx) again
18:00:35wodzI don't get this
18:00:47gevaertsthat's fine
18:01:10gevaertsmutexes keep a count. You just have to make sure you have the same number of unlocks
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18:03:42gevaertsMutexes are for locking other threads out
18:03:49gevaertsThe same thread can do whatever it likes
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18:37:04pamaurybertrik: ping
18:37:13bertrikhi pamaury
18:37:33pamauryhi, I have some questions about what you did on the fuze+ firmware
18:38:00pamauryI tried to understand the lcd code in the bootloader but it's really really tricky, how is the code you saw ?
18:38:54bertrikI just saw a few functions to setup certain aspects of the LCD controller
18:39:39bertrikIt's indeed nowhere as simple as some of our lcd drivers, that basically just send an init sequence and then keep the framebuffer updated.
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18:41:40pamaurybecause the code I found seems to support lots of settings. It's unclear to me why / what it does. For example, it supports all possible data bus width, several packing formats (it seems)
18:42:05pamauryalso, it seems there is code to use the LCDIF and some to use GPIO directly
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18:47:25pamaurydid you find something similar or just didn't go very far ?
18:47:50bertrikI didn't go very far, spent maybe a total of 3 hours on it
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18:50:16pamauryok, then I'll try with the firmware, the bootloader code seems quite generic
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19:14:16CIA-45New commit by 03alle (r28837): Rename the NO_CONTEXT flag to NO_CONTEXT_MENU so that the name more clearly conveys what the flag does
19:14:29eWillIf you have an old battery that can never reach 100%, what harm can RB do when you connect?
19:14:40scorche|shAlexP: Packard Bell forum added
19:15:52wodzeWill: why are you thinking rb will do any harm?
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19:16:33eWillit will provide full charge current forever...?
19:17:10CIA-45r28837 build result: All green
19:18:14eWillI'm asking.
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20:22:49BushmillseWill: any still functional battery will reach 100% - only its 100% are not the capacity it once was
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20:59:06Bushmillsare there drivers for connecting a USB keyboard to a rockbox device?
20:59:20krazykitno
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22:28:55CIA-45New commit by 03nls (r28838): Add a newline to a debugf printing an error.
22:31:00CIA-45r28838 build result: All green
22:32:16eWillOK so my e200 v1 has been stuck at 94% for 2 hours (I unplug it and check). What is RB doing to my battery?
22:34:37n1sif the battery is old it might not get to the voltage mapped to 100%, no matter how long you charge
22:36:29eWilln1s: OK fine, but is my battery being damaged?
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22:37:05n1si don't know that
22:37:39wodzhow to visually distinguish nano 1G from 2G?
22:38:05n1sIIRC li-ion chargers stop charging if the battery voltage doesn't increase anymore even if they havent' reached as high as they usually would
22:38:44n1swodz: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1353
22:39:44eWillis this the file I change to lower the voltage mapped to 100%? firmware/target/arm/sandisk/sansa-e200/powermgmt-e200.c
22:40:05n1s1g has a very plastic front and the 2g has a metal curved case similar to the mini but thinner
22:40:28n1seWill: yes
22:41:02n1sther's a voltage to percent table there, actually there may be one for discharging and one for charging
22:41:35wodzn1s: thanks
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22:44:03eWillok so the debug > battery info says the battery is at 4.110 volts. Should I change the last number (in both charging and discharging) from "4160" to "4110"? It's still higher than the number before it.
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22:46:43*n1s wonders why our vorbis codec loads tag data into memory
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22:52:14n1sthere should be a way to tell the image tag from audio data and just discard it
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23:03:53eWillMy battery doesn't last 24 hours, but RB thinks a full battery will. Where is this "at full I have 24 hours left" set? I'm looking, but can't find it.
23:04:28n1sit's battery capacity/current draw
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23:05:10n1seither lower your capacity settign or change the current draw defines, or live with it, the runtime estimate will never be very accurate
23:06:55CIA-45New commit by 03b0hoon (r28839): HDD6330: implement lcd_set_flip() function.
23:09:14CIA-45r28839 build result: All green
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23:12:12eWillOk I think I found it −− firmware/export/config/sansae200.h and line is: #define BATTERY_CAPACITY_DEFAULT 750
23:12:34n1sthat is the *default* you can change the setting
23:13:15eWill#define BATTERY_CAPACITY_MIN 750 ?
23:14:09eWillor do you mean I can change it on the player?
23:15:19n1snot if it's defined like that, (min == default) you need to lower the min, then. I wonder why it is like that
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23:16:01n1smybe there arent' replacement batteries with nonstandard cap for those players?
23:16:30eWillthere are 1250mAh I think
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23:17:21eWill1300mAh on ebay
23:18:02n1sah, but probably none with lower than 750mAh :)
23:19:34eWillso which one(s) do I change? BATTERY_CAPACITY_MAX/MIN/DEFAULT
23:23:20b0hooneWill: after defining it you can change it under Settings->General Settings->System->Battery->Battery Capacity
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23:24:50eWillb0hoon: there is no "Battery" entry under 'System" on my e200 v1
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23:26:01eWilloh wait −− is that just because the MIN and MAX are the same number?
23:26:02wodzwhat a lovely site: http://microblog.routed.net/category/components on page 4 there are images of PP5020E die
23:27:55eWillprobably I should change this to at least "1": #define BATTERY_CAPACITY_INC 0
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23:30:31b0hoon_eWill: probably, also capacity increment is not defined
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23:31:12b0hoon_eWill: well it is, but it is = 0
23:32:05eWillI wonder what this line is about: #define BATTERY_TYPES_COUNT 1 /* only one type */
23:32:30b0hoon_eWill: try to change it to 100 (increment)
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23:37:35eWillcool. I can change the capacity now. (had to restart the player after changing the setting). Thanks for the help guys.
23:38:23b0hooneWill: I do not know what for it is used but it should be "1" (types count)
23:39:28eWillmaybe there is a target that takes AA batteries, and you can select "alkaline/nimh/nicad"....?
23:40:08b0hooneWill: ah, yes maybe the old archoses
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23:47:24Bushmillsi was considering to try two 18650 cells with a switching 5 V regulator, to charge/use the device with over USB cable.
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