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#rockbox log for 2010-12-20

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01:44:10[Saint]Current SVN isn't committing the DB on the iPod Colours for some reason....if I manage to get it to commit with a release build, will that mess anything up if I update the build?
01:54:32[Saint]Hmmm, and why does RBUtil specifically mention the U2 edition of the Colour? There were several "special editions" of the Colour/Photo including Tony Hawk, Madonna and Harry Potter signed versions that don't get a mention. IIUC there's no HW difference between them.
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02:13:04JdGordon|kugel: FS #11816/7
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02:16:00[Saint]Hmmm, Calendar.rock is telling me it's Saturday when it's clearly Monday.
02:20:13kugelfor FS #11816: I think it's a bug which also noticed but which yet haven't been able to track down in the code (the code looks corret): the list code react properly if you hold a line
02:21:40kugelfor FS #11817: it's indeed worse with slower processors, but I'm pretty sure it could be fixed if we let the thread that gets something on its event_queue run next first. But I haven't been able to do that (I've tried but failed miserably). I tried to get into touch jhMikeS's about it
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02:24:02kugelFS #11817 is IMO another sign of our scheduler not working as expected, the list code stalls the audio thread eventhough the kinetic scrolling just puts messages onto the main thread's event_queue
02:24:33kugelthe other sign is FS #11387
02:26:40kugeli.e. threads which mostly spend time in queue_wait() stall threads which have real work to do
02:27:55kugelI hope jhMikeS gets a bit more active, seeing his latest mpegplayer commits
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03:06:30[Saint]Hmmm...Ok, which devs have an iPod Colour?
03:06:51[Saint]current SVN simply WON'T init the DB, but 3.7.1 will.
03:07:30[Saint]also, what is the difference between when the DB asks to init on reboot, and when it just goes ahead and does it after finding the tracks?
03:07:38[Saint]I assume its some setting in my config.
03:08:01[Saint]That appears to have something to do with it...possibly.
03:11:03kugel[Saint]: it depends on if the DB was initialized before
03:11:43kugelthe DB has a (IIRC) 64K scratch buffer, if it was initialize *and* your new tracks don't exceed that buffer, it won't ask you to reboot
03:11:49[Saint]kugel: I just tried it on current SVN and 3.7.1...current SVN (clean config) attempts to init it immediately, 3.7.1 asks to be shut down.
03:11:56[Saint]shutting down, then initing works.
03:12:00[Saint]the other, not.
03:13:32kugel[Saint]: I claim an unitialized DB will always ask you to reboot
03:14:02kugelhowever you can basically only make sure it's unitialized by deleting the *.tcd in /.rockbox
03:14:07[Saint]current SVN is definitely not doing so.
03:14:17[Saint]on this device, andway.
03:14:22[Saint]*anyway.
03:14:39kugelI don't believe you :)
03:15:56[Saint]I restored to clear up any disk issues I knew I didn't have but was being cautious anyway...installed SVN head, booted, tried to init the DB and it hasn't asked to reboot at all in any atempt.
03:15:57kugelI highly doubt behaviour has changed, but I'd need to check again since it's been months since I last touched an mp3 player
03:16:23[Saint]it simply goes straight into the 1~9 countdown after scanning tracks and fails on 2
03:16:52[Saint]3.7.1 and 3.7 actually ask to be shutdown, and it works on next boot.
03:17:41[Saint]If it fails, the next time it boots it can't find rockbox.ipod so I think this may be a mixture of some bugs.
03:17:55kugelthe last change to the databse was probably pre-3.7
03:23:23[Saint]Hmmm...the Colour's screen always seems to shutdown uncleanly too.
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03:24:11[Saint]horrible verticle lines that take ~5min to fade out are left behind.
03:24:34[Saint](which is an awfuly long time for such LCD glitches)
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04:51:46[Saint]argh...it's definitely *something* in current SVN.
04:52:27[Saint]My DB won't even update without a data abort in current SVN if I use a release build to initialise it.
04:53:00[Saint](install release build, init DB, install SVN head, add tracks, update DB, data abort) :/
04:53:04JdGordon|enalbe the metadata logging
04:53:23[Saint]I have done, it doesn't fail on a specific track.
04:53:25JdGordon|binchop and find the culparate
04:53:31JdGordon|umm.. spelling? :p
04:53:46[Saint]3.7 and 3.7.1 manage to init quite nicely.
04:54:19[Saint]it will be a while before I can do so, but I would like to find the culprit. Ideally I'd like a .map file for the current build.
04:54:27[Saint]is that possible to get?
04:54:59JdGordon|i dont tinhk so
04:56:26[Saint]Not packaging it seems kinda silly, it'd do no harm and be good for such times.
04:56:41JdGordon|i think we've had this discussionn before
04:56:47JdGordon|yes, we should be archiving the maps
04:57:25[Saint]not necessarily archived, couldn;t it simply be included in the .zip?
04:57:26[Saint]*couldn't
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06:16:37the_KyleShould the Rockbox USB stack require that a microSD card be inserted in order for the Clip+ to be mounted? I may need to comment on this, but I first want to be sure it's a known problem.
06:20:56[Saint]That would seem like a fairly odd requirement.
06:23:40the_KyleThat's what I thought. It looks like a comment to be added to fs#11541, but it may just be an instability in the USB stack as it applies to the Clip+. Whenever I plug in the player without a microSD, it refuses to mount, and if I remove the card while the player is mounted, it ceases to be recognized.
06:24:18the_KyleI am getting input/output errors when attempting to right to the device.
06:25:29the_KyleSo basically, I need to find out if it's better to report this as a comment to fs#11541 or as a bug in USB.
06:27:57LloreanIt doesn't happen on other players with builds as of a day or two ago
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06:28:21the_KyleMy build is from yesterday. Should I update again?
06:28:36LloreanI think you should assume it relates only to the patch and the players affected by it.
06:29:12the_KyleOK. I'll comment on the patch. Thanks.
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06:34:14[Saint]If somebody was nice enough to build SVN head iPod Colour/Photo build for me and package the .map file I would very much appreciate it.
06:34:34[Saint]No rush, it's not dire...but I would appreciate it nonetheless.
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07:49:29S_a_i_n_tjust ask your question.
07:49:44S_a_i_n_t*questions.
07:50:18S_a_i_n_tyes.
07:51:19S_a_i_n_tPorts are never given release estimations.
07:51:53S_a_i_n_tC, and ASM mostly
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08:23:24S_a_i_n_tHmmm....the screen scroll buttons (iPod) are reversed compared to how I would expect them to function.
08:24:04S_a_i_n_talso, "left scroll" only seems to work if "right scroll" has been used first.
08:24:40S_a_i_n_totherwise holding |<< just backs out of the current menu entry.
08:26:48S_a_i_n_tIf I can, I'd like to fix the latter up. Holding |<< should scroll left (not right as it does now), and *tapping* |<< should back out of a menu IMO.
08:28:07LloreanWasn't the idea that holding "Left" in the file browser (on targets where things are working properly) goes through several folder levels until you're in the "root" of the file browser?
08:28:29LloreanThat is, if you're in any number of subfolders deep
08:29:00JdGordonholding |<< scrolls right?!
08:29:06JdGordonthats totally fucked!
08:29:09LloreanThat on the other hand sounds like a bug.
08:29:41JdGordonor very broken hardware
08:29:45S_a_i_n_tLlorean: It seems you're correct.
08:30:02S_a_i_n_tI'm not sure I like it doing that in any other instance than the filebrowser though.
08:30:03LloreanOr very broken hardware, yeah, but I'd imagine you wouldn't be able to navigate the menus otherwise.
08:30:08S_a_i_n_tabd not really even then.
08:30:34LloreanS_a_i_n_t: Yes, but it's there to accommodate blind users, so you're not really the target audience of that feature. :)
08:31:04LloreanDoes it get in the way of anything other than "scrolling left before you've manually scrolled right"?
08:31:23S_a_i_n_tBut, yeah...holding >>| scrolls the screen to the left, |<< to the right etc.
08:31:37LloreanWait
08:31:41LloreanIt doesn't scroll the screen, it scrolls the text.
08:31:47LloreanYou may be visualizing what happens wrong
08:32:00S_a_i_n_terr...text, yes.
08:32:03LloreanHold >>| and you should move "forward" seeing later words on the line of text.
08:32:18LloreanHolding |<< should bring you back to the beginning of the text.
08:32:59Llorean>>| and |<< scroll properly on my Nano G1 in the list.
08:33:06LloreanWhat screen are you experiencing a problem in?
08:33:18S_a_i_n_texplained like that, it makes some sense...but I see it as being the "opposite" of how I would have done it personally.
08:34:18LloreanAh, so not a bug.
08:34:19S_a_i_n_taha...it seems that using |<< to scroll the text only works if the text is already scrolling.
08:34:25S_a_i_n_totherwise it backs out of the dir.
08:34:35S_a_i_n_t*that's* what was tripping me up.
08:34:38LloreanMaybe a bad description in the manual?
08:35:04S_a_i_n_tI'mnot sure I've read the section...just perception based error I believe.
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08:37:34S_a_i_n_tI noticed some setting that seem a little irrelevant (for now at least): Like Settings - Recording Settings - Channels for example.
08:37:43S_a_i_n_tthings with only one possible selection.
08:38:15S_a_i_n_tIMO it/they need not be there until there's another thing to choose from.
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08:58:05CIA-7New commit by 03jethead71 (r28862): MPEGPlayer: Fix a bug where seeking a stream into the same frame more than once in a row causes it to report itself at the end in error; to fix it, ...
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09:09:08_jhMikeS_Thinks it's a good idea to also have a full file rewind action in mpegplayer for single play mode, just like multi play? It's worked out already but I'm still asking if it seems good.
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09:09:41LloreanWhat do you mean by "full file rewind"? Skip to the beginning?
09:10:04jhMikeSLlorean: yes
09:10:43LloreanI don't see why video shouldn't have it when audio does. :)
09:11:19jhMikeSme neither. I've wanted it more than a few times. :)
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09:59:28JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: do you remember what the story with the theme settings patch is?
09:59:44S_a_i_n_tNope.
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11:18:56JdGordonhas anyone looked into headphone detection on android?
11:24:17soapfor what it's worth, scorche, AlexP, GodEater. My two test IP subnet bans on "agressive" spammers only caught 17 log-in attempt between them during a week, and all of those hits occurred during the first 24 hours. Apparently there is no point in doing such.
11:24:38ZagorJdGordon: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Intent.html#ACTION_HEADSET_PLUG
11:25:31JdGordonyeah, thats what I found... I tihnk we should be able to handle it with the current media key handling, but not entirely sure how to listen for that broadcast
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11:39:46anotherianFIrst, a huge thank you for all the work on Rockbox over the years. Second, the problem :)
11:40:26anotherianUntil about two weeks ago, it was possible to use a program called get_iplayer to download mp3s from the BBC's iplayer service.
11:41:08anotherianIt pretends to be an iphone, and because that's crap, erm, has limited capabilities, it would be given sensible files.
11:42:17anotherian(Although the original author stopped work on it, due to the BBC messing around with video, it is GPL'd and get_iplayer is still available in Debian and presumably elsewhere.)
11:42:31JdGordonwhat's this got to do with rockbox?
11:42:46anotherianI'm coming to thatAh :) Now, using it gets .
11:42:55anotherianaac files
11:43:28anotherianWhich Rockbox 3.7.1 says it should play, but it doesn't.
11:44:22anotherianHere's what is reported by get_iplayer:
11:45:42anotherianINFO: Checking existence of default version
11:45:53anotherianINFO: flashaacstd1,flashaudio1,rtspaudio1,flashaaclow1,wma1 modes will be tried for version default
11:46:06anotherianINFO: Trying flashaacstd1 mode to record radio: The Million Pound Radio Show: Series 1 - Episode 4
11:46:20anotherianINFO: File name prefix = The_Million_Pound_Radio_Show_Series_1_-_Episode_4_b008s3js_default
11:46:33anotherianWARNING: Your version of flvstreamer/rtmpdump does not support SWF Verification
11:46:45anotherianFLVStreamer v2.1c1
11:46:54anotherian(c) 2010 Andrej Stepanchuk, Howard Chu, The Flvstreamer Team; license: GPL
11:47:02anotherianConnecting ...
11:47:14anotherianStarting download at: 0.000 kB
11:47:18anotherianMetadata:
11:47:29anotherian duration 2160.06
11:47:36anotherian moovPosition 36.00
11:47:45anotherian audiocodecid mp4a
11:47:52anotherian aacaot 2.00
11:48:01anotherian audiosamplerate 44100.00
11:48:11anotherian audiochannels 2.00
11:48:31anotherian(tags lines deleted)
11:48:40anotheriantrackinfo:
11:48:53anotherian length 95258624.00
11:49:07anotherian timescale 44100.00
11:49:10anotherian language und
11:49:21anotheriansampledescription:
11:49:29anotherian sampletype mp4a
11:49:38anotherian35352.513 kB / 2159.53 sec (99.9%)
11:49:49anotherianDownload complete
11:51:00anotherian.. and the resulting file is The_Million_Pound_Radio_Show_Series_1_-_Episode_4_b008s3js_default.aac
11:51:01JdGordonuse pastebin
11:51:24JdGordonhmm, how wide is SYSFONT? 6 pixels isnt it?
11:51:57anotherian'Everything' on this Linux Mint 10 PC will play it, from mplayer to vlc, but Rockbox won't.
11:52:30anotherian(Let me see if it's possible to use pastebin without registering)
11:54:37soapfoobar (windows) has a "rewrite header" or some such IIRC for .aac files. Again, IIRC, you have a aac file w/o appropriate headers as it is effectively the middle of a continuous stream.
11:55:39soapthis has been discussed on the forum, as well as repair methods, anotherian, so even if I don't recall the exact situation correctly I know you can search there and find *nix cures if you don't like foobar in WINE.
11:55:45anotherianHere's the pastebin of another programme: http://pastebin.com/v8cZER19
11:58:05CIA-7New commit by 03jdgordon (r28863): fix FS #11784 - classic_statusbar.sbs needed alignemtn fixing to show the whole time
11:58:29anotheriansoap - hmm, possibly, but it looks to me like get_iplayer then uses FFmpeg to take that and come up with a 'proper' file.
11:58:52anotherianIs there a sensible place to put a sample 30M file?
11:59:06JdGordonAlexP: ^ *IF* you can be bothered putting that in stable go for it, imo its a pointless fix though so really no big deal if you can't
11:59:19soapI'll bet if you lop off the last 29 megs it will still exhibit the same behavior.
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12:01:23soapanotherian, again this has been covered in the forum. You have a containerless raw stream. Mux it into your container of choice (mp4 please) and you're done.
12:03:20anotherianOK thanks. Is it possible to point me at the right post or do I just search for 'raw stream'?
12:04:53anotherianAh, found one. Will read..
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12:33:08eWillOn the Battery Bench plugin, one instruction is "Select and playback an album. # (Be sure to be more than the player's buffer)". What does that mean, and where do I find out my players' buffer size?
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12:36:07wodzif you select too small album to play it will be loaded into mem buffer only once. There is nothing wrong in this but measured battery lifetime will be longer than for typical use pattern
12:38:37TheSevendoes anyone want to start playing around with his ipod classic? i now have a publicly-releaseable boot stub, which allows further code to be uploaded via usb mass storage :)
12:39:48eWillwodz: how do I find out the size of my mem buffer?
12:41:15wodzeWill: load more files than you have ram :-)
12:41:34TheSevenhttp://files.freemyipod.org/misc/bootstrap-ipodclassic.dfu
12:42:19wodzTheSeven: any progress with i2c scan?
12:42:36TheSevenno, didn't deal with that yet
12:42:45eWillwodz: I understand that. I think I found it: Menu > System > Rockbox Info > Buffer
12:52:39eWillwow −− my Fuze v2 has only 5MB RAM while my OLDER e200 has 28??? Can the e200 do anything in RB that the fuze v2 can't?
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12:55:31wodzeWill: you can view bigger images for example
12:56:25eWillI assume image file size is limited to buffer size (minus any ram the OS is using)?
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12:58:25wodzdecoded image size yes
12:58:31wodzteru: ping
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12:59:56wodzteru: Could you document somehow the steps needed to add new decoder to imageviewer? And btw current scheme of buffer managing is not well defined
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13:15:20teruwodz: i'll try. you can use the buffer passed to load_image for whatever you want.
13:16:58wodzteru: I know, but it is hard to follow the code since every decoder treats that slightly differently. Some record bufer ptr in internal struct, some use global vars. It would be nice to standardize this
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13:44:59teruim not sure how standardize it. how the buffer is used would be different.
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13:49:25eWillWill this (the first method) work on a e200R? http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaFAQ#Can_I_disable_the_Sansa_e200_firmware_39s_obnoxious_database_refreshing_63
13:54:25wodzteru: inside decoder yes but we can standardize how it is passed between load_image and get_image
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13:59:39Bagdernot in Rockbox as-is, no
13:59:42gevaerts"natively"?
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14:01:04teruwodz: my thought is to use local variables in the decoder.
14:01:57wodzteru: what I need to change in order to register imageviewer as a default handler for some filetype?
14:01:58Bagderxblink: any language you fix support for
14:02:27Stummixblink, you want to know if there is a c++-compiler for the ipod-targets?
14:02:38Bagderxblink: there is no "iPod API"
14:02:41Stummii think yes
14:03:00Stummibut you can't use it with rockbox
14:03:16teruwodz: edit viewers.config
14:03:21wodzok
14:04:21Stummixblink, "natively" only machinecode runs on an device. Other languages "run" there, if there is a compiler for them to this device
14:04:32Zagorxblink: the ipod is a computer with an ARM cpu. it will run software compiled for the ARM instruction set. language is irrelevant, every language is compiled into machine code.
14:05:46teruwodz: i wrote a quick explanation. http://pastebin.com/Ny3UZggn
14:07:17wodzteru: last question - I used existing makefiles as reference and I build ppm.ovl sucessfully but can't find out why it is not copied by make install to appropriate dir
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14:08:01teruwodz: good point. also edit CATEGORIES.
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14:38:45teruwodz: updated explanation. http://pastebin.com/kPsYiSCC
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14:49:52wodzteru: why there are no #ifdefs in apps/plugins/viewers.config? From your explanation I would expect some
14:50:35Bagderwodz: because it isn't copied verbatim, buildzip reads from it and builds a new in the install package
14:50:37Bagderafair
14:51:31wodzok it should be ifdefed in source tree still
14:51:41Bagderwhy?
14:52:22wodzif it is preprocessed there must be the source to preprocess
14:52:39Bagderit isn't preprocessed
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14:53:36wodzBagder: read point 2 from the last pastebin from teru
14:53:41teruviewers.config is preprocessed somewhere in buildzip.pl
14:54:02wodzok so where is the ifdefed version?
14:54:53Bagderit is NOT preprocessed
14:54:58Bagdernot with the cpp
14:55:20Bagderbuildzip.pl line 467 and forward, see for yourself
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14:56:02teruyou mean it shoud be #ifdef instead of #if? then you are right.
14:56:16Bagderhm, I looked in a totally outdated version =)
14:56:53Bagderline 475 shows it being preprocessed
14:57:01Bagdermy bad, appologies
14:57:32wodzhttp://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/viewers.config?view=markup <- where are there some directives for preprocessor?
14:57:44Bagderthere are none
14:57:56Bagderit seems a rather pointless operation
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14:58:32Bagderbut it _allows_ #if and #ifdef and friends to be used
14:58:35Bagderfor some reason
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15:00:51teruBagder: sorry, about what?
15:01:05Bagderteru: why did you make viewers.config get preprocessed?
15:01:15wodzwhy there is not single #if/#ifdef in viewers.config?
15:01:25Bagderwodz: because there's no need for them
15:01:51teruoh ok. i'm tring to explain.. please wait...
15:02:18wodzhow can it be? ppmviewer is build only for HAVE_LCD_COLOR targets so what's the point to have it registered on grey targets?
15:02:57Bagderwodz: again, buildzip doesn't COPY the file, it reads it and creates a new
15:03:13Bagderand it only creates lines for viewers that exist on the target
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15:03:31Bagderso if your target doesn't have a particular viewer, it won't end up in the zip
15:03:37Bagderand not in the viewers.config
15:04:01Bagdermagic!
15:05:04wodzok so comming back to the origin - what's the point of #4 in teru's pastebin?
15:05:33terubecause image_viewer is built for all bitmap targets and the extension is assosiated to the image_viewer.rock, so entry may does appear in the generated viewers.config while the decoder to load image is not build for the target
15:05:39Bagderviewers.config in the repository holds info about ALL viewers we have
15:06:13Bagderteru: I hope you're reading my explanation here, that already worked without preprocessing
15:06:29Bagderah
15:06:54BagderI think the most confusing part is that viewers.config has no preprocessing directives
15:07:33Bagderif you try to solve a problem with preprocessing then shouldn't it preprocess?
15:09:03Bagderso imageviewer doesn't support all image formats for all targets it builds on?
15:09:27teruhere is older version of path which add preprocessing. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6321?getfile=22612
15:10:23teruat that time, png is only supported in color targets, so it adds #ifdef to viewers.config
15:10:38Bagderbut that #ifdef isn't there now
15:11:02Bagderwhich is what confuses at least me
15:11:17terubut greylib support is added to png before it gets commited. so the #ifdef is removed.
15:11:41Bagderso we're back to not needing it to be preprocessed?
15:12:01Bagdernot that it harms anyone very much
15:12:37terupreproccesing is remaining so that someone can add decoder which does not support all target.
15:13:13wodzok, now I get
15:14:20wodzin some sense viewers.config is preprocessed twice - once by means of #ifdefs, second by copying selectively entries by buildzip.pl
15:14:32wodzright?
15:14:46Bagderexactly
15:15:03wodzthat's weird but now I understand
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18:28:01TheSevenhttp://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4636/imag0653.jpg << proof :)
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18:37:49MrShlee:) Hopefully the rockbox port can start sooner than later. great work to the #freemyipod group :D
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19:22:37countachHi
19:22:57countachI have a question about Theme upgrading in http://themes.rockbox.org
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19:24:10countachI've just updated my DriveBox theme.
19:24:17countach¿How can I update the data in http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=75&target=ipodvideo ?
19:24:25countachThe theme's thread is updated with all the packages and info: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,21032.0.html
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19:27:53n1sparse_testcodec.rb is buggy
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19:30:34n1shmm, or the commit message claims it needs a newer version of ruby
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19:31:59domonoky1countach: if you try to submit the theme again with the exact same name, author and email, it will ask you if you want to update it.
19:32:30countachok, Thanks. I'll try it right now!
19:33:39CIA-7New commit by 03mc2739 (r28864): Fix problem with frequency increasing or preset advancing with long press of the down button while in FM Radio
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19:45:04n1snope, wrong ruby was not it, the cript is buggy
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20:02:10countachdomonoky1: Theme updated perfectly! Thanks for the advice.
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21:10:23eWillI followed this guide in the wiki, and it isn't working: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaFAQ#Can_I_disable_the_Sansa_e200_firmware_39s_obnoxious_database_refreshing_63
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21:20:04eWillI tried method # 1, btw. Also, I've read that the OF on e200 sets a bit that something has changed (therefore a Database Refresh is needed), and RB is _supposed_ to unset this bit.
21:21:22eWillHowever RB isn't doing that, and I see no way to make it.
21:22:00gevaertsWhere did you read that, and which bit is this?
21:22:34eWillhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,16411.msg123652.html#msg123652
21:23:26gevaertsIs your e200 a v1?
21:23:38eWillyeah.
21:23:48*gevaerts doesn't know then
21:24:08eWillit used to be Rhapsody, but now is vanilla
21:24:28gevaertsAll I know is that the entire database refresh thing is a bit tricky. It works for some people, but not for others
21:24:50gevaertsPossibly depending on the exact OF version you have
21:27:07bertrikI remember vaguely that the location to clear to avoid the db refresh can change a bit
21:27:56gevaertsDo you actually use the OF?
21:28:30eWillnot really.
21:28:46eWillbut..
21:29:06gevaertsThen why is this a problem in the first place?
21:29:17eWillI'm testing charging times. I'm am right that RB can't know the battery is full?
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21:29:37gevaertsI don't know. Are you?
21:29:39bertrikto make sure that the right location is cleared, the nvparams sections needs to be zeroed, but the only way to do that currently is to update the of with sansapatcher
21:29:41eWill**when* the batt is full
21:30:30bertrikThe charger decides when the battery becomes full during charging and we can detect that.
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21:41:10wodzAny coldfire guru around? What may be the origin of DMA transfer hang when cpu runs @11MHz?
21:48:07eWillbertrik: you said, "update the of with sansapatcher". Does this do that?: sansapatcher -of PP5022.mi4 & sansapatcher -d & sansapatcher −−install
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21:48:48bertrikeWill, I don't know exactly, it's been a long time since I ran sansapatcher
21:49:08eWillI can't find any documentation on it.
21:51:19bertrikI think you just need sansapatcher -of PP5022.mi4
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22:02:55jhMikeSpreglow: "<preglow> jhMikeS: does full duplex audio still work as before?" −− it should!
22:03:55kugeljhMikeS: hey :)
22:04:55jhMikeShello, saw your messages :)
22:08:18jhMikeSkugel: I did comment in FS #11817 about what to look into, in case you hadn't seen it
22:09:11kugeljhMikeS: I answered there
22:11:07kugelI think the problem is not too little yield()s
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22:12:45ZooM41Hello guys. Can i ask a question?
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22:12:54ZooM41About bricked sansa
22:14:13CIA-7New commit by 03wodz (r28867): HD300 - Fix bootloader freeze introduced in r28799. DMA transfer hangs for some reason when cpu runs @11MHz in bootloader.
22:15:10TheSevenZooM41: Just ask it. If someone thinks he knows an answer, he might respond.
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22:15:30ZooM41Somebody tell me what to do, i have 4 mb unrecognizable as usual clip+ and i tried to unbrick it as wiki tolds me
22:16:16ZooM41with linux and all the matters. When i connect one pin with another and then use sudo fdisk nothing changes
22:16:24jhMikeSkugel: I looked in the list code and afaict the yields looked like they're not reached. Things with a scrollwheel behave as expected.
22:17:32*jhMikeS will have a look at FS before saying more
22:17:56ZooM41It has problems with startup and even with freezes but now it stays bricked for a week and that fears me in
22:18:23kugeloh I remembered wrongly, the yield() isn't in the ACTION_REDRAW case
22:19:57kugeljhMikeS: during kinetic scroll, it puts BUTTON_TOUCHSCREEN onto the button_queue at most every 4 ticks, that should be plenty time for the audio thread to run
22:20:21gevaertsZooM41: I can't really help you, but just as general advice, don't try things just because the seem like a good idea. I suspect someone who knows the clip+ can help you, but only if you don't make it worse :)
22:21:41kugeljhMikeS: the mr500 busy waits for the LCD DMA to finish, perhaps that's the (or one) reason for the starvation?
22:22:28kugelbut OTOH I also noticed the drop outs on my phone, which does wakeup_wait() during lcd updates
22:22:53ZooM41Sorry for my annoying behaviour.
22:23:02jhMikeSkugel: if it's drawing alot and busy waiting, then yes. the priority stuff waw put in place just for this sort of thing, when scrollwheel devices were having audio issues
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22:23:47*kugel wonders about the point of dma if the cpu busy waits for its completion
22:24:08jhMikeSkugel: I thought the rb as app stuff was a different thread implemenatation
22:24:21kugelnot on android
22:24:40jhMikeSoh, so it has priority?
22:24:55kugelyes
22:25:06gevaertsZooM41: you're not being annoying. I'm just saying that because lots of people with bricked players seem to do things that are a bad idea in hindsight
22:27:40kugelI cannot reproduce it on my phone anymore but that's perhaps improvements in other areas (e.g. asm optimizations in codecs)
22:29:15jhMikeSkugel: maybe try scrolling the OS stacks screen as madly as possible and watching the numbers at the same time?
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22:31:38kugeljhMikeS: oh I can indeed trigger drop outs in the OS stacks screen
22:32:18jhMikeSI can on e200 as well, especially with mp3 (paradoxically) but not in normal lists
22:33:07kugeli see the codec thread priority decreasing for a short moment, just before the drop out. when it drops out it's back 16 again and it keeps running but without any audio
22:33:09jhMikeSthe prio doesn't go up very gradually but in huge steps
22:33:20jhMikeSit goes to 5?
22:33:27kugelonly 13 in my case
22:34:19jhMikeSthat would suggest somewhat that other threads aren't running anymore since it should reach 5
22:35:02jhMikeS13 won't keep it much above the normal 16 since it's the square of the prio difference between threads that matters
22:35:12kugeli see no other thread running, only main and codec (and scroll once in a while)
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22:36:11jhMikeSI'm just saying, 13 isn't much of a boost over 16, if pcm is empty, 5 should be where it is
22:37:04kugeli see some times 13, but often it just stays at 16
22:38:14kugelnow I got 9 after several short drop outs.
22:38:28kugelisn't too reacting too slow?
22:40:44kugeli thought it raises the priority more quickly, to high priority even before the first drop out
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22:42:17jhMikeSwhat sounds weird is 5 isn't showing up before a drop
22:43:27kugelthat's what I was trying to say :p
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22:45:23jhMikeSthat says codec thread has been stopped from pcm inserts, where the priority is adjusted in pcmbuf.c
22:46:00kugelbtw, FS #11387 is also interesting in that regard
22:46:14sghhello, whenever I try to create .talk files for files on my Rockbox 3.71 Sansa Fuze (v1) only .talk files for folders are generated
22:46:57sghI use the Rockbox Utility 1.28 - do you know where the problem lies?
22:47:07kugelthe background picture loader thread starves the audio (because it has a rather/unecessarily high priority). it also leads to drop outs even though the codec thread is supposed to raise its priority over the background loader thread
22:47:47jhMikeSkugel: I'm still leaning toward a yield problem at this point, because of past experiences with yields not being where they should be and acting exactly that way
22:49:50jhMikeSpictureflow does seem jumpy while listening to music
22:49:56kugelmy phone does yield (wakeup_wait()) during lcd updates (and it can do 60fps, so one updates takes quite some time)
22:50:07kugelas I see it, the codec thread has enough chance to run, so with a little more priority there shouldn't be any drop outs
22:50:35kugeljhMikeS: the jumpyness is caused by the extra yields that are in svn IIRC
22:50:36jhMikeSwhat file is that?
22:51:08kugellcd-android.c
22:52:17jhMikeSpctureflow makes a realtime +1 thread? aye. should not be needed at all
22:52:44kugelparticularly not on a I/O bound thread
22:52:55jhMikeSwait, no, it's MAX on there, which should be 8
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22:55:15jhMikeSI expect the jumpiness is caused by the codec going up and down
22:58:21jhMikeSmaybe. I'll mess with it a bit
22:58:48kugelI think pcmbuf also resets the priority too early, it'll be back to default shorty after it's above the watermark again. OTOH the watermark is quite high (66%)
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23:00:20jhMikeSinsert sizes were increased awhile back, which made priority raising less gradual, going down the same thing of course.
23:01:20jhMikeSbut it still should reach 5 before dropping! I'd suggest finding out why it isn't before doing other stuff.
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23:04:07kugelno, the actual watermark is 16%
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23:05:47jhMikeSI'm seeing 5 on e200v2 when scrolling stack screen really hard
23:06:09kugeljhMikeS: why is there such a calculation for the new codec priority? wouldn't it be easier to just set it very high and going back to default once the pcmbuf is full enough again?
23:06:21jhMikeS*v1, not v2
23:07:27jhMikeSit used to work like that, but then the prio would jump up, and everything else would slow down horribly and then snap back to normal. it was done that way so it was less noticeable.
23:08:10kugeli see
23:08:57kugelit only raises the priority if it's below 16%, if it's higher it goes straight back to default
23:08:58jhMikeSif the prio stayed elevated, the UI was pretty unusable
23:09:52kugelif gradually increasing the prio works well with the UI we can just start increasing way earlier, no?
23:09:58jhMikeSmaybe some adjustment there. if it ups the prio just a few steps earlier on, it should hardly be noticable
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23:11:13jhMikeSthe watermark to start raising is the original one that used just snap to realtime
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23:11:43jhMikeSit could probably be tuned better now
23:12:20kugeli wonder how fixed prios based on the current fill state work?
23:12:33jhMikeSthe earlier priority implementation was quite coarse and didn't respect CPU power (was tick based)
23:13:16jhMikeSA lookup instead of calc? worth a try and it's more flexible.
23:13:45kugelyea
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23:20:59jhMikeShmmm, pf thread doesn't seem to really do much anyway except at the start. if it's mostly sleeping, it won't matter if it's really high prio
23:22:07kugelit loads the slides from disk doesn't it?
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23:23:31jhMikeSkugel: I put it to 16 and it loads the slides a little slower but after the initial load, nothing really changes
23:24:25kugeldid you remove the yield() (the patch attached does that)?
23:25:20kugelthe yield() makes it choppy, it was originally inserted because the loader thread starved the codec thread (i.e. drop outs during scrolling) for the sansa fuze
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23:27:18jhMikeSno. it still starves the codec thread a little just by running after loading slides
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23:29:02jhMikeSthe load just goes a little slower but it's still pretty acceptable
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23:31:11jhMikeSbut if you happen to be buffering, doing pictureflow and loading slides, then it's pretty rough going
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23:53:46kugeljhMikeS: http://pastie.org/1393509 seems to work well
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23:55:12kugelI still get drop outs in the os stacks screen, but way less. also, more importantly, the drop outs aren't final anymore (instead playback recovers)

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