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#rockbox log for 2011-01-03

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00:04:44CIA-7New commit by 03theseven (r28951): Fix red
00:06:00TheSevenuh oh
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00:08:18CIA-7r28951 build result: 0 errors, 118 warnings (theseven committed)
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00:09:16TheSevenone should not try to get something committed before going to sleep :/
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00:11:25TheSevenfinally...
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00:13:50CIA-7New commit by 03theseven (r28952): Fix yellow
00:14:32TheSevenargh! svn fails to commit my port!
00:15:07CIA-7r28952 build result: All green
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00:17:59TheSevenhere it is!
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00:19:11linuxstbTheSeven: Nice work!
00:19:41*TheSeven is pretty sure he has *not* broken the H300 sim :)
00:20:02linuxstbTheSeven: Did you forget svn:keywords though?
00:20:13TheSevenprobably, as always... :/
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00:20:25*TheSeven doesn't do this kind of thing often enough
00:20:42TheSevendo we have a consensus on the keywords nowadays?
00:20:47*Strife89TX makes a note to visit BuildHighScores ...
00:20:48*TheSeven remembers some mailing list flamewar
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00:21:17gevaertsTheSeven: those are just a new build client that didn't have tools/ yet
00:22:04linuxstbTheSeven: The UsingSVN wiki page documents it I think
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00:22:23CIA-7New commit by 03theseven (r28953): New port: iPod Classic (also known as iPod 6G/6.5G/7G) ...
00:22:32TheSevenoh my...
00:22:34kugelgevaerts: that one isnt new
00:22:57[Saint]there's a 7G now?
00:23:05gevaertskugel: in that case he either ran make veryclean or did a new checkout
00:23:10CIA-7r28953 build result: 0 errors, 9 warnings (theseven committed)
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00:26:53gevaertsTheSeven: is the classic ready for the build system?
00:27:19TheSeventhere might be a few warnings left, haven't had a detailed look at the build
00:27:30*gevaerts checks
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00:27:48TheSevenand there is no bootloader/manual yet
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00:28:17gevaertsNo warnings apparently
00:28:28gevaertsActual usability is irrelevant I think
00:28:49gevaertsThe main thing is to see if anyone breaks it
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00:29:26TheSevenif you can add the main build, but not the bootloader/manual, then it's fine AFAICT
00:29:45gevaertsok
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00:33:27CIA-7New commit by 03gevaerts (r28954): Remove 64MB ipod video build
00:34:14gevaertsCIA-7 is slow today...
00:34:47*TheSeven is a bit puzzled
00:35:00TheSeventest_disk shows like 3MB/s of write and 1.5MB/s read performance
00:35:22TheSevenUSB mass storage reaches 7MB/s write and 9MB/s read (compared to ~12MB/s in disk mode)
00:35:42[Saint]that's not....*terrible*.
00:35:49[Saint]It's still a very young port.
00:35:54gevaertsWeird
00:36:04[Saint]Congratulations, btw TheSeven.
00:36:17*[Saint] buys TheSeven an eBeer
00:36:38CIA-7New commit by 03gevaerts (r28955): Add ipod classic build to the build system
00:36:39gevaertsTheSeven: what block sizes?
00:37:10*TheSeven uploaded an installer at http://files.freemyipod.org/misc/bootstrap-ipodclassic.dfu and http://files.freemyipod.org/misc/installer-classic.ubi
00:37:27TheSevenyou need a DFU tool to upload that
00:38:01TheSevengevaerts: that's the fun fact: in test_disk, the block size didn't seem to have a major influence, as long as it was >=4KB
00:38:04*[Saint] wonders why connecting his iPod colour whilst in RB his PC hangs.
00:38:19TheSevenin embios, the transfer rate is almost linear to the block size
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00:43:25TheSeveni think the next step will be to figure out why audio playback is that awfully slow
00:44:29*TheSeven falls asleep
00:44:29gevaertsI wouldn't be surprised if that's caused by the same issue that makes test_disk slow
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00:46:47kugelTheSeven: is your tick timer running correctly?
00:47:55TheSevenat least roughly
00:48:24TheSeveni don't know the exact clocking, but i'd say it's less than 10% off, and the USEC_TIMER should also be accurate
00:49:23kugelif the scheduler isn't woken by some interrupt then all threads could starve
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00:51:47*LambdaCalculus37 buys TheSeven another eBeer for his great work :)
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00:54:38TheSevenkugel: current_tick advances correctly
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00:54:57[Saint]Buschel: (for the logs) LCD 1/1: 19.4, 1/4: 77.1 LCD YUV 1/1: 17.4, 1/4: 70.0 @30MHz ; LCD 1/1: 51.7, 1/4: 206.0 LCD YUV 1/1: 46.7, 1/4: 187.0 @80MHz with v18
00:55:00[Saint]No change from 17 at all, is this expected?
00:56:51LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: I want to test out the iPod Classic build.
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00:59:32TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: which OS are you using? linux?
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01:00:08TheSevenif yes, you need python >= 2.6 and <= 2.7 (afaik), pyusb 1.0.0alpha, and libusb of course
01:00:35LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Got an Ubuntu VM.
01:00:47TheSevenyou can also do it on windows
01:00:59TheSevenmac doesn't seem to work though
01:01:27TheSevenon windows, it's basically the same requirements, just that the libusb part is a bit trickier, especially on windows 7 (driver signing...)
01:01:44LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: I'll stick with Linux.
01:02:22TheSevenyou'll also need the two files i linked above and http://svn.freemyipod.org/tools/ipoddfu/ipoddfu.py and http://svn.freemyipod.org/tools/ipoddfu/libipoddfu.py
01:02:41TheSevenonce you have libusb/pyusb working, run the following command:
01:02:49TheSevensudo python ipoddfu.py bootstrap-ipodclassic.dfu
01:03:18TheSeventhe ipod must be in DFU mode (hold menu+select with usb connected for 10..15 seconds, until it resets the second time and stays dark)
01:03:45TheSevenit should boot UMSboot and ask you to copy the .ubi file to it
01:03:59TheSevenafter you've done that, unmount and unplug it, and follow the on-screen instructions
01:05:16LambdaCalculus37Got it.
01:07:29TheSevenonce everything is up and running, i'd suggest making a backup of /iLoader/norflash.bak in case something weird happens in the future
01:07:41LambdaCalculus37Okay.
01:07:51LambdaCalculus37Once that's done, I should be able to run the build, right?
01:08:04TheSevenyou can't brick those ipods by flashing bad code, but you might lose the SYSINFO table which contains rather vital information like the model/serial number etc.
01:08:33TheSeventhis will install the current svn build. you can update it the regular way by replacing rockbox.ipod
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01:09:03TheSevenif you break rockbox you'll have to recover using embios for now, i'll provide further details when it has happened to you for the first time :)
01:09:32TheSevenbasically run "sudo python embios.py runfirmware 08000000 rockbox.bin" to boot a working rockbox build, and use that to fix the on-disk build
01:12:35TheSevenhm, the "installing files" status bar needs calibration :)
01:12:56TheSeventhe per-file overhead seems to be bigger than the actual file copying time on hdd-based players, while it was the contrary on the nano
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01:14:10TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: out of curiosity, which model is it?
01:14:24TheSeveni'd expect everything besides the 1st gen 160gb to work
01:14:38LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: 80GB Classic.
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01:16:01*TheSeven will finally go to sleep now, please direct further questions to Farthen
01:16:55*Farthen tries to help as best as he can but he will also go to bed in like half an hour ;)
01:19:50LambdaCalculus37Farthen: I should be able to take it from here. If I've got an issue, I'll just report it and you and TheSeven can see it in the logs.
01:20:31Farthenok
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02:03:37soap_Buschel - I know you're not here right now, and you won't be back until I'm asleep, but highlight me if you need this latest patch tested (not sure why you would).
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03:24:32Strife89Can we add the iPod Classic to the Unusable Ports list on the home page?
03:39:33[Saint]I'm sure that would be possible, when someone who can do it turns up/reads this.
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03:48:51LambdaCalculus37Strife89: I have the changes made for the webpage in my local trunk.
03:49:14LambdaCalculus37But right now the gf is using my MacBook, so I need to wait until later to commit.
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03:53:00LambdaCalculus37TheSeven, Farthen: Ping, can one of you guys give me a quick rundown of what works in the port and what doesn't?
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04:20:52adbhi, I can't build, getting the error; /usr/local/bin/ld: unrecognized option '−−hash-style=gnu'
04:21:14adbI have binutils 2.16.1, installed using the rockboxdev script with no errors
04:21:57adbby the looks of things '−−hash-style=gnu' hasn't been in ld for a long while, not sure if I'm doing something wrong, but would be very grateful for any suggestions
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04:45:08PaulClipPlushi
04:45:40[Saint]Welcome, if you have a question about Rockbox...just ask.
04:46:05PaulClipPlusThanks, I just installed it for the first time today.
04:46:31Strife89On a Clip+, I presume?
04:46:32Strife89:)
04:47:03PaulClipPlusYup, and so far I'm happy. I'm reply-gaining all my music files right now.
04:47:32PaulClipPlusCurrently my primary player is a Zune HD
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04:48:21[Saint]I'm sorry. :)
04:49:15PaulClipPlusI like the fact I can put music on the Zune and rate it while I"m playing it. If I rate it bad, it deletes it from the device next sync.
04:49:23PaulClipPlusI don't suppose rockbox can do this?
04:50:00[Saint]No.
04:50:03[Saint]It cannot.
04:50:11Strife89It does not automatically delete files, but you can rate files and delete them manually.
04:50:30PaulClipPlusIn order to sync the same music playlist to my Clip+, I use media monkey to collect all five star rated tracks and sync.
04:50:32Strife89They're not related at all, though.
04:50:39[Saint]that would be, rather tedious...though.
04:51:09[Saint]Rockbox also has a totally different rating system.
04:51:16Strife89Yes.
04:51:30[Saint]The ratings in RB aren't read from metadata, but rather stored in the database.
04:51:30PaulClipPlusI am trying to automate all this as much as possible. It appears winamp has it's own rating system too?
04:51:31Strife89It's just a little feature in the database, basically.
04:51:49Strife89It's useful for sorting music by rating in the Database, more or less.
04:52:06Strife89The Delete option is totally separate and accessible via the context menu.
04:52:06[Saint]PaulClipPlus: No matter how you rate your files in another application, it won;t affect the rating in RB
04:52:39PaulClipPlusWhen I'm not holding the Zune HD, the touch screen works poorly. I use my Clip+ on the treadmill for instance.
04:52:50PaulClipPlusThe buttons always work!
04:53:48PaulClipPlusMy biggest problem was getting pictureflow to work. It doesn't read tag data evidently.
04:54:07[Saint]yes, it does.
04:54:18[Saint]But it doesn't support embeddad album art.
04:54:20PaulClipPlusAll I get is fuzzy ?
04:54:35PaulClipPlusRight, that's what I mean, embedded art.
04:54:38[Saint]that's because the clips screen is crap ;)
04:54:48[Saint]And you're asking it to do something it isn't designed for.
04:54:55PaulClipPlustrue.
04:55:01PaulClipPlusWhat's the best host for rockbox?
04:55:08PaulClipPlusI need 16GB
04:55:12[Saint]sorry?
04:55:16Strife89The Fuze is a good candidate.
04:55:27[Saint]Ah, right...I get you now.
04:55:39PaulClipPlusCurrently using a 2GB Clip+ with 16GB card...
04:55:44[Saint]Yes, the Fuze covers all the bases really.
04:55:52Strife89You can get an 8GB Fuze and stick the memory card in there.
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04:56:03Strife89Very nice combination IMHO
04:56:10[Saint]mic, FM, colour screen that isn't too smal, expandable with uSD..
04:56:14PaulClipPlusI'll look into it, thanks for the advice
04:56:16[Saint]*small
04:56:19Strife89Real buttons. :)
04:56:54*[Saint] isn't a fan of the mechanical wheel, it's a bit of a point of failure. Other than that I like my Fuze, even with no LCD :
04:57:01[Saint]+)
04:57:14PaulClipPlusStill have an axim X51v... ;)
04:57:57PaulClipPlusactually, several of them.
04:58:20[Saint]Wow, rockin' it oldschool.
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04:58:52PaulClipPlusI use it for GPS
04:59:10Strife89Oh wow, I've often wanted one of those.
04:59:18PaulClipPlusTried to use it with TCPMP, PMP, S2P, etc. Too slow
04:59:33*Strife89 has a Palm TX with a failing digitizer.
04:59:40PaulClipPlusLOL
04:59:50Strife89But that
04:59:53PaulClipPlusI just pitched my old hp 2215's
04:59:54Strife89's not for this channel
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05:00:18PaulClipPlusI am impressed with rockbox
05:00:46[Saint]Comparing RB to the Clip(s) OF is...well, there's no competition.
05:00:50Strife89PaulClipPlus: You can come to #rockbox-community and talk about the Axim and such more. :)
05:01:32PaulClipPlusIs the only way to plug into USB is with the OF?
05:01:37Strife89For now.
05:01:49Strife89USB is disabled in the Clip+ port because of some issues.
05:02:00PaulClipPlusHow to stop the media refresh of the OF?
05:02:07Strife89Keep an eye on the front page to see when it's enabled.
05:02:08[Saint]You can't.
05:02:10Strife89There is no way
05:02:24PaulClipPlusbummer
05:02:40Strife89At least with the c200s there was a trick to it. :/
05:02:41[Saint]Oh, you can overload your player so there's like *no* space left to stop it from being *able* to build ;)
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05:02:54PaulClipPlushuh?
05:03:14PaulClipPlushow about removing the media card, starting RB, then plugging in the card?
05:03:22*Strife89 wonders if the c200 trick will work on the Clip+ - marking the database files as read-only.
05:03:39Strife89PaulClipPlus: You'll still get some refresh action, but it won't be as painful.
05:03:40[Saint]PaulClipPlus: that will make the update shorter.
05:04:12PaulClipPlusI'll try it
05:04:15[Saint]the only way to really stop it is to make sure that the player has no room to create the database it wants to.
05:04:29[Saint]and, that's more than a bit of a kludge ;)
05:04:32PaulClipPluson internal flash drive?
05:04:49PaulClipPlusI always have about 1.4GB free
05:04:56Strife89Actually, a better method would be to plug the card back in *before* booting Rockbox.
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05:05:05Strife89Otherwise your dircache will reset.
05:05:07[Saint]correct. I don't believe it would attempt to write the OFs database to the SD card.
05:06:00PaulClipPlusIs there a way to make the display dim (contrast <10) after timeout?
05:06:27*Strife89 's update procedure: remove microSD, power on to OF, plug in, copy stuff, unplug, turn off, plug in microSD, boot Rockbox.
05:06:35[Saint]I believe so. Well, there's an idle timeout for the screen.
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05:06:52Strife89He wants it to dim, not turn completely off
05:07:04PaulClipPlusOr a different contrast for battery operation
05:07:09[Saint]It will just turn the screen off after X though I *think*, as it's OLED so there's no backlight.
05:07:21Strife89Yep
05:07:27PaulClipPlusright, no backlight, just pixels
05:07:34Strife89The Contrast option gives the *illusion* of brightness.
05:07:40Strife89*brightness levels.
05:07:57PaulClipPluscontrast just seems to adjust brightness. black is black (no pixel lit)
05:09:52adbdoes the fuze accept 32gb microsd(hc) cards? either in OF or rockbox?
05:10:06[Saint]OF == no, RB == yes.
05:10:16PaulClipPlus$
05:11:10Strife89Plus the Fuze has the bonus of working USB. :)
05:11:15[Saint]the OF could, in theory, support up to 32GB cards...it just doesn't.
05:11:21Strife89In Rockbox, I mean (of course).
05:11:35adbheh, sure. ta. has anyone shown interest in a Fuze+ port?
05:11:58[Saint]there are people working on dissassembly of the FW, yes.
05:12:15PaulClipPlusI was able to put a 64GB CF card in my Axim (I digress)
05:12:48PaulClipPlus96GB total memory but no good software to manage 96GB of music LOL
05:14:00Strife89<sidetrack> PaulClipPlus: Now I REALLY wish I had $100. http://www.amazon.com/Axim-X51v-Processor-BlueTooth-Infrared/dp/B000COJ8NY/ref=reg_hu-rd_add_1_dp_T2 </sidetrack>
05:14:37[Saint]<cough> topic </cough> :P
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05:17:05PaulClipPluswhat's all the fuss about the awesome EQ, any hints how to take advantage of it?
05:17:13PaulClipPlusI listen to music ==FLAT==
05:17:22[Saint]as you should.
05:17:41[Saint]RB does have a very good EQ, though.
05:19:17PaulClipPlusIf I can't listen to music flat, I look for better headphones, speakers, etc.
05:19:19PaulClipPlusSeems like anytime I adjust EQ to suit, the next song comes along and sounds bad.
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05:20:38PaulClipPlusIs there a table to convert OF volume to RG volume (db)?
05:21:42PaulClipPlusparticularly, 0db = ?
05:23:37[Saint]How do you mean?
05:24:08Strife89He's asking how loud 0dB in Rockbox is on the Clip+, I think.
05:24:19PaulClipPlusthe OF has volume 0-30 IIRC
05:24:48[Saint]I don't believe you can really compare the two.
05:25:08PaulClipPlusk
05:25:38[Saint]basically, in RB 0dB == clipping/bad ;)
05:25:52[Saint]what that equates to in the OF, who knows.
05:26:12PaulClipPlusMy line in on 2 of my car stereos require high volume from the player
05:26:21*Strife89 thought is was >0dB == clipping
05:26:44PaulClipPlususually max volume when hooked to the car stereo
05:27:12PaulClipPlusone of my car stereos allows me to set up to +8db on the line input, and I have it set there.
05:27:42[Saint]You should use 0dB for line input.
05:27:54[Saint]and yes thanks Strife89, I forgot a >
05:28:37PaulClipPlusI'll try it at 0db and see what happens. I'll be using replay gain. I will try the +5.0db amp setting to start (sound right?)
05:29:53PaulClipPlusPre-amp at 5 db
05:30:02[Saint]you don't really need the pre-amp at all.
05:30:04PaulClipPlusLooks like OF used 4.5db
05:30:51PaulClipPlusThe manual says RG decreases volume and a boost is needed ?
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05:31:14PaulClipPlusprevent clipping = yes ?
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05:31:48[Saint]I set it to no, personally. I'm perfectly capable of making sure my settings don't cause clipping.
05:32:50PaulClipPlusLooks like winamp is assigning -3db to -10db to most of my albums.
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05:35:59PaulClipPlusThe problem is my car stereos will reach max volume and still not where I want the output to be. So I have to set the player at max volume typically.
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05:36:50PaulClipPlusIt's also the case with my squeezebox input, I have to increase the line input gain.
05:37:06[Saint]That would suggest you need better speakers/stereo...as it *will* be clipping past 0dB
05:37:40[Saint]well, -1~+1ish dB
05:37:45PaulClipPlusLine input should be the same gain as CD or FM IMO
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05:38:11PaulClipPlusI don't understand why it's less. Perhaps impedance?
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05:41:00PaulClipPlusHeadphone voltage ≠ Line level of component RCA ?
05:41:55PaulClipPlusMaybe I need a impedance matching transformer or a mild pre-amp?
05:42:34[Saint]who knows the configure magic for the SDL app?
05:42:35PaulClipPlusThe worst part is turning on the audio with headphones after having the volume at/near max.
05:42:41[Saint]What do I need to set it to?
05:44:08PaulClipPlusGG/TTYL/THX... Paul
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05:56:38LambdaCalculus37TheSeven, Farthen: (for the logs) I'm getting this error when I run the python script to install the iPod Classic bootstrap: http://pastie.org/1424894
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05:57:17LambdaCalculus37TheSeven, Farthen: I'll be back online tomorrow to try this again.
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06:10:00[Saint]Hey, JdGord...what's the configure magic I need to select to build the SDL app?
06:10:16[Saint]"configure, 200 (application), ?
06:13:48JdGordYes then s
06:14:03[Saint]then?
06:14:19[Saint]just "normal"?
06:14:32[Saint]or "simulator"?
06:15:26JdGordIt should ask
06:15:41JdGordNormal
06:15:53[Saint]It does, but...I'm wondering which option it is I need to select.
06:16:31[Saint]and then just "make && make zip/fullzip"...yes?
06:17:07JdGordMake && sudo make install
06:17:26[Saint]aha...make *install*.
06:17:29[Saint]thanks.
06:17:33[Saint]it's been driving me nuts.
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06:33:31[Saint]dammit....something's wrong.
06:34:41[Saint]http://pastebin.com/3C9BRvgv any dieas?
06:34:48[Saint]*ideas, even.
06:36:22[Saint]someone was working on sim_creat & firends the other day IIRC.
06:36:32[Saint]gah! *friends.
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06:40:30*[Saint] suspects 28928 to be the cause of http://pastebin.com/3C9BRvgv
06:43:30[Saint]sorry, 28927 and 28929
06:44:16[Saint]Bash output is crying about the lines modified in those commits so I don't believe it to be a coincidence.
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06:48:18adbis there any difference between mktccboot and mkboot?
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06:57:35*Strife89 feels very silly for even doing this, but: http://pastie.org/1424957
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06:59:23Strife89Kinda testing the waters to see if I can assist somehow, I guess.
06:59:38adbiPod? people still use those?
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07:26:49TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: regarding port status: basically everything besides the ce-ata drive is working in theory. audio playback is unusable because of the excessive cpu load though.
07:27:10TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: the error you pasted looks like you didn't download libipoddfu.py to the same directory
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07:35:42*[Saint] wonders how CPU intensive a "Remove Silence" feature would be.
07:37:34[Saint]Set it up to be configurable, like "remove silence from <beginning/end> of track when longer than X", and the threshold for what is considered "silence"
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07:38:25[Saint]The CPU would probably take quite a hit from that, wouldn't it?
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07:40:26JdGordon|unlikely
07:40:44JdGordon|shuold be doable as a dsp thingy (so done at the same time as the eq)
07:40:53JdGordon|looking for silence is pretty simple
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07:41:09[Saint]Hmmm, I thought it would be pretty hungry. I absolutely know it will take me a long time to pull it off, but it's something I'd like to at least try and look into.
07:42:10[Saint]Oh, JdGordon|...do you know if %f/Fn is true/false or if it just reports the filename?
07:42:26[Saint]I'd like to know if I can use it to detect the presence of a next track.
07:42:47JdGordon|%fn will always be non-false
07:42:58JdGordon|%Fn probaly will be false on no next track
07:43:40*JdGordon| would offer pointers for the silence detection, but it is an area which i have SFA idea how it works
07:43:47JdGordon|not even a high level idea
07:46:05[Saint]Yeah, I was thinking along the lines of "%pE(10)<%?Fn<Next Track:|%?ia<%ia|%fn>>|%?ia<%ia|%fn>>"
07:46:35[Saint]so, it only bothers doing the whole "Next track display on track end" if there's actually a next track.
07:47:00[Saint]TheSeven discovered a pretty cool bug when it hits the end of a playlist
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08:03:09CIA-7New commit by 03Buschel (r28956): Remove unneeded check for swapping in iPod nano1G/color LCD driver. For nano1G and color yo/y1 this swap never happened, for color x0/x1 it was always ...
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08:05:33CIA-7r28956 build result: All green
08:06:57TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: oh, another few issues: the volume control doesn't work (and maybe also the other tone controls, need to check), and YUV blitting data aborts, so mpegplayer probably won't work
08:07:18TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: and the python error might also be caused by "." not being included in the PYTHONPATH environment variable
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08:21:04[Saint]who feels like telling me if I've got all my bases covered with this piece of WPS code?
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08:22:39[Saint]fuck, nope...I messed it up.
08:22:41[Saint]argh.
08:22:47[Saint]I'm in conditional hell.
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08:27:32Buschelamiconn: regarding the LCD optimizations for iPod nano1G/color/photo -> it seems like there is a bottleneck in the LCD bridge on some targets. the nano's we could test (and from the wiki page maybe your photo) reach transfer spees which seem to use full speed for the serial IF (80 MHz / 8 bit = ~ 10 MB/s). the iPod colors which Saint tested only reach ~4 MB/s −− for both RGB and YUV.
08:28:27Buschelamiconn: imho this means the LCD bridge is using some clock divider. do you have any ideas where to search in the PP's registers?
08:29:07[Saint]The Photo is a year or so later than the Colour, no?
08:29:33[Saint]Or is it the other way around. It wouldn;t surprise me if there were subtle changes/improvements.
08:30:47Buschel[Saint]: we had the same with the nano2G variants. but both variants could be changed to use the faster settings.
08:30:59Buschel[Saint]: so, I maybe we'll find a way here too
08:31:09[Saint]Buschel: I do have quite a few other patches in my tree..but nothing that would affect this IMO.
08:32:16[Saint]Buschel: do you think it's the same HW, but a different set-up is needed for the colour?
08:35:23Buschel[Saint]: yes, maybe the default register setup is different for some units
08:35:24*[Saint] is rather amazed that there is no way to toggle if a next track is present or not in the theme editor.
08:36:14[Saint]Aha, yes. Well IIRC there is ~1.5 years or so between the Photo and Colour.
08:38:03Buschel[Saint]: another hint -> both the nano1G and your color's use the same lcd_type 1. of course this only means both use the same command set, but it is sign both use the same LCD
08:38:25Buschel[Saint]: and the nano1G uses a faster LCD bridge setup as your color's
08:38:33[Saint]they certainly don't use the same LCD.
08:38:50[Saint]one is 176x132, the other 220x176
08:39:02[Saint]Nano, Colour
08:41:12Buschelok, "LCD controller"
08:41:14Buschel:)
08:41:45Buschelaynway, need to go to work now
08:41:47Buschelsee you!
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09:16:03[Saint]TheSeven: (logs) Pretty sure I've fixed that funky bug you uncovered with last track/next track queries.
09:16:28[Saint]It's certainly not pretty, but it appears to work.
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09:58:04wodztaking apart nano 2g is tricky business
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10:04:04[Saint]indeed it is.
10:04:41[Saint]And, that cover on the top *never* goes back on correctly. :/
10:05:08[Saint]why are you taking it apart wodz?
10:05:13wodzbroken lcd
10:05:19[Saint]ah.
10:11:01[Saint]Do you already have a replacement? OR are you just removing the broken one?
10:11:05[Saint]wodz: ^
10:11:58wodzI did ordered replacement
10:12:39[Saint]Oh, you should have said you needed one.
10:12:55[Saint]I have a spare here.
10:13:16[Saint]You're welcome toit if you break this one too ;)
10:13:21[Saint]*to it
10:13:33wodzI think shipping cost will be higher than buying one locally
10:13:50[Saint]How much did it cost you?
10:14:01wodz~9$
10:14:05wodzwith shipping
10:14:29[Saint]wow. USD?
10:15:21wodzyea 27PLN and 1USD = 3,94PLN
10:16:12wodzwell so even less than 9$
10:16:46wodzah wait 1USD = 2,94PLN so 9,18USD
10:19:30[Saint]A lot cheaper than I could get it for locally...and about the same price as if I was to ship it at the cheapest/slowest rate.
10:19:33[Saint]Nice.
10:21:44wodzPoland is quite cheap country (but salary is quite low compared to other EU countries also)
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10:39:58*[Saint] now has a nice set of redistributable AA fonts for his iLike Color/Photo/(and Fuze too, technically) theme... \o/
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11:34:56[Saint]gevaerts: I have a feeling that 28927 and 28929 have something to do with −−> http://pastebin.com/3C9BRvgv
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11:35:05[Saint]Seems to be too much of a coincidence.
11:35:37gevaerts[Saint]: I can't disagree with that
11:36:28[Saint]I can't see why it's throwing a wobbly, though.
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11:38:39[Saint]I can't understand the magic that's going on with the PREFIX, and what needs it, what doesn't...and why.
11:40:02FuhrerURLto checkout the source code of Rockbox ?? I tried that mentioned on the website but that didnt work... !!!
11:40:20[Saint]I assure you it works.
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11:42:00[Saint]Fuhrer: "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox" works fine.
11:42:00gevaerts[Saint]: can you try adding '#include "file.h"' to plugin.c?
11:42:24[Saint]gevaerts: yes, I can do that.
11:43:24[Saint]Fuhrer: Do you have SVN or GIT installed?
11:43:52FuhrerYes , SVN
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11:44:37Fuhrersvn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk Is this correct?
11:44:48[Saint]Fuhrer: Well, I just tried it again here and "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox"
11:44:55[Saint]+works correctly.
11:45:32[Saint]What page are you reading Fuhrer?
11:45:42[Saint]http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingSVN is pretty clear.
11:46:10FuhrerActually I am doing this through Eclipse
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11:46:55Bagderbut if the cmdline works, we will blame Eclipse you know... =)
11:47:30gevaertsWe will blame Eclipse even if it works! :)
11:47:30Fuhreryeah , cmdline works fine 4 me 2
11:48:23[Saint]real words please.
11:48:28Fuhrersry
11:48:34FuhrerSorry
11:48:36[Saint]*facepalm* ;)
11:49:31[Saint]Well, I'm glad the commandline works. I avoid Eclipse like the plague...so I couldn't give any support there personally.
11:52:05FuhrerThanks for your support , trying to sort it out
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11:58:20[Saint]gevaerts: same error.
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12:02:22gevaertsWhy is cygwin so different?
12:02:34*[Saint] shrugs
12:04:35gevaerts[Saint]: can you add some "#warning whatever" lines to file.h? Probably one at the top (*before* the #ifndef _FILE_H_), and one in the "#elif defined(SIMULATOR)" block (make them different so you can see which one is printed)?
12:05:00n1sgevaerts: once you figure that out can you tell me why building gcc 4.5 fails on cygwin? ;)
12:05:07gevaertsn1s: no!
12:05:12n1sdamnit!
12:05:19[Saint]Yep, I can do that.
12:05:24gevaertsIf gcc 4.5 doesn't work on cygwin, maybe we just have to drop cygwin support...
12:05:30[Saint]err...not that, the other that ;)
12:05:51n1sgevaerts: i think that would upset some people
12:05:52wodzI would say this as well - lets get rid of this slooow weird beast
12:06:01Bagderare any actual devs still using cygwin?
12:06:09wodzpixelma maybe
12:06:11n1si think amiconn uses it
12:06:31[Saint]they dropped the -mno-cygwin flag in 4.5 I think.
12:06:36[Saint]wouldn't that explain it?
12:08:26n1si honestly have no idea
12:13:06[Saint]n1s: "gcc: The -mno-cygwin flag has been removed; use a mingw-targeted cross-compiler."
12:14:01[Saint]that's with GCC 4.5.0 just trying to make a random eabi target.
12:15:31[Saint]though, it seems you can run configure with GCC 3, then change to GCC 4.5 and it magically works.
12:15:35*[Saint] shrugs.
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12:39:19[Saint]errr...scratch that. It's hit and miss.
12:54:54wodzTheSeven: I think you broke MPIO ata handling
12:55:37wodzI get ata error -32 from bootloader build from svn head which means check_registers() fails
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13:12:25wodzTheSeven: http://www.pastie.org/1425389
13:15:36pixelma[Saint], gevaerts: building the SDL app in cygwin was probably broken before (with another error) - at least cross-compiling for Windows in a linux VM was. I tried to troubleshoot this with kugel some time ago but didn't really understand what he wanted/what was going on
13:16:11[Saint]ah...bugger :/
13:16:27[Saint]thanks for the info though pixelma, good to know.
13:16:47pixelmamust be in the logs somewhere during the evening hours
13:17:05gevaertspixelma: crosscompiling works for me
13:17:15gevaertsI haven't checked if the resulting binary works though
13:17:32pixelmaok, I'll recheck
13:25:18pixelmagevaerts: 64bit or 32bit linux?
13:25:22gevaerts64
13:25:37pixelmaor mingw
13:25:47gevaertsWell, 64 bit linux + mingw
13:26:36pixelmaI get the same errors as [Saint] now (about sim_creat and friends)
13:27:08gevaertsAs soon as I see the result of the latest test I asked for, I'll say more :)
13:27:52pixelmahttp://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20101213#00:33:36 is what I had before
13:32:43gevaertshm
13:32:52gevaerts[Saint]: what were you building exactly?
13:33:06[Saint]SDL App
13:33:15gevaertsright
13:33:21gevaertsThat also fails with mingw
13:33:47[Saint]pixelma: are you able to build voice giles?
13:33:51[Saint]sorry to bug you.
13:33:59[Saint]I get errors there now too :/
13:34:27[Saint]s/giles/files...We'll leave Giles out of this I think.
13:35:19wodzhmm I think I know what breaks mpio ata. Currently we have firmware/target/coldfire/ata-target.h AND firmware/target/coldfire/mpio/ata-target.h. I bet only one is taken into account
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13:37:02pixelma[Saint]: haven't tried lately and not with this PC at all but can do so later (environment is prepared)
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13:37:48[Saint]pixelma: thanks
13:38:09pixelmagevaerts: a sim builds in cygwin, I built an M5 one yesterday if you meant this.
13:38:20gevaertsYes
13:38:23gevaertsI was confused
13:38:33*gevaerts thought the complaints were about sims
13:39:15wodzAh yes :-) TheSeven dropped READ_PATTERNx_MASK in check_registers()
13:40:57*TheSeven wonders what the context is?
13:41:02TheSevenare there problems with my changes?
13:41:51wodzTheSeven: Basically you broke ata on MPIO
13:42:05*TheSeven wonders how
13:42:10gevaertsOK. This is a mess...
13:42:18*gevaerts waits for kugel to help look at this
13:42:41wodzTheSeven: http://www.pastie.org/1425389
13:43:06wodzTheSeven: you dropped mask so high byte is not cleared
13:44:45*wodz defines ATA_IN8/ATA_OUT8 for MPIO to proof this
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13:45:31TheSevenah, right, didn't think about that :)
13:45:38[Saint]gevaerts: Is the SDL App really in such bad shape?
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13:48:28TheSevenwodz: i wonder if an &0xff should go into ata.c for all targets as it basically has been like this before
13:49:13gevaerts[Saint]: it shouldn't be too hard to get it working again, but it's a mess
13:49:14wodzdunno
13:49:28[Saint]:/
13:49:43gevaertsAnd I don't have time right now
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13:51:48wodzTheSeven: anyway #define ATA_IN8(reg) ((reg) & 0xff) and #define ATA_OUT8(reg, data) (reg) = ((data) & 0xff) did the trick for mpio
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13:53:51wodzTheSeven: I would wote to include this in ata.c
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13:54:31TheSevenwodz: you shouldn't need ATA_OUT8, can you check if it works without it?
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14:09:45CIA-7New commit by 03theseven (r28957): Fix regression from r28950: ATA broken on MPIO and possibly other targets
14:10:24[Saint]TheSeven: Did you mean to sneak nano2G piezo stuff into SVN?
14:10:35TheSevenwhere?
14:10:48[Saint]errrmmm...one sec.
14:11:35[Saint]piezo-nano2g.c and piezo.h
14:11:50CIA-7New commit by 03wodz (r28958): MPIO bootloader - turn off backlight when hold is on. Usefull feature when charging during night.
14:12:06CIA-7r28957 build result: All green
14:12:10[Saint]arm/s518...blah/nano2g/
14:12:42[Saint]TheSeven: You may as well commit the rest of it ;)
14:13:06TheSeven[Saint]: I meant in which revision
14:13:39[Saint]28593
14:14:00wodzTheSeven: wouldn't it be better to move &0xff directly to ATA_IN8 macro?
14:14:21CIA-7r28958 build result: All green
14:14:26AlexP[Saint]: 28953?
14:14:51[Saint]correct
14:15:10[Saint]firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/ipodnano2g/piezo.h
14:15:16AlexPI thought so, 28593 seemed a bit old
14:15:19[Saint]firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/ipodnano2g/piezo-nano2g.c
14:16:06TheSevenoh, some unversioned files apparently slipped in
14:16:43[Saint]comit the rest of it.
14:16:57TheSeveni'll rather revert that
14:16:57[Saint]perhaps it'll encourage it to be finished ;)
14:17:12TheSevenmr. someone needs to fix parts of the action system behind it
14:17:19TheSevenunified sw and hw keyclick
14:17:45TheSevenhw keyclick itself is rather easy, but one should split off the parts of that patch that actually fix *when* a keyclick is issued
14:17:49[Saint]the only thing I think that's not perfect abot it is that it doesn't always match the SW keyclick.
14:17:58[Saint]other than that, it's actually pretty good.
14:23:40[Saint]with HW keyclick, and pretty AA fonts...iLike is quite scary on the iPod Color now too.
14:24:20[Saint]I need to make a set of redistributable AA fonts for the Video port, then that will be quite disturbing too.
14:24:29CIA-7New commit by 03theseven (r28959): Remove files accidentally commited in 28953
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14:25:44pixelmaTheSeven: if you write it as r28953 the frontpage automatically makes it a link to the ViewVC revision log (similar to the FS #123)
14:26:02pixelmamaybe just an oversight though
14:26:16TheSevenoh yeah, missed the r
14:27:21pixelmathat happens, I just thought I tell you in case you don't know but I should have looked before that you already used it. Sorry.
14:27:27CIA-7r28959 build result: All green
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14:40:12wodzpixelma: Do you have M5?
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15:23:20amiconnn1s: I don't use cygwin for target or sim builds, but I do use it for voice builds, because it's the only way to use sapi voices *and* apply the corrections from voice.pl
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15:24:22n1samiconn: ah
15:25:30n1sso, is any dev actually using cygwin for development?
15:25:48n1samiconn: can't that script be ported or something to windows then?
15:26:28n1swe have so many different ways for voice file generation
15:28:59amiconnAnd of course I can test whether building on cygwin works, because it's installed anyway
15:29:34amiconnThe script could be ported to .vbs, but that wouldn't help
15:29:49amiconnVoice building also needs 'features' etc
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15:35:03amiconnIt's also more convenient to just start a "buildall.sh" than having to click through rbutil generating .voice file for 15 different targets and 2 different languages
15:45:22amiconnn1s: Afaik there are only two official ways: using the build system, or using rbutil
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15:55:45n1si thought there was some vbs script called "voicebox" or somesuch too but maybe that's unofficial
15:56:12n1swell, rbutil should get the correction stuff then
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16:16:53pixelmawodz: yes
16:17:26pixelman1s: I do use cygwin for building sometimes on my laptop
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16:34:30amiconnn1s: voicebox is for .talk clips (only)
16:35:31*amiconn still uses that too
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16:53:05n1samiconn: did you ever try to build the new m68k gcc ? it seems to fail in gmp for me but that is the same gmp we use for the arm-eabi 4.4 so it makes no sense
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16:56:24TheSevenwodz: did my commit fix the problem on your mpio?
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17:22:03S_a_i_n_t8~10 fragments each file, only font files.
17:22:11S_a_i_n_t...weird
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17:41:23CIA-7New commit by 03jethead71 (r28960): MPEGPlayer graphics mutation: Implement a more visible FPS display and remove the debugging info from it. Tweak thumbnailing and printing of ...
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18:05:47jhMikeSpixelma: I read that you had a strange video encoding that confused mpegplayer? Any chance you could encode a short video that has the same issue and upload it somewhere?
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18:06:47thomasjfoxgevaerts: The recent PREFIX changes in apps/plugin.c broke the app build
18:07:03gevaertsthomasjfox: yes, I know
18:07:06thomasjfoxgevaerts: I tried to fix it and hit another problem. See here: http://repo.or.cz/w/maemo-rb.git/commitdiff/3ddf9a675c8e43a875b868dd058cba93ad6c2cdc
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18:07:48gevaertsIt's a mess
18:08:03gevaertsI'll probably look into this later today...
18:08:06thomasjfoxNice
18:08:21gevaertsEasy for you to say!
18:08:23thomasjfoxMaybe cominbe all those file wrappers in one file...
18:08:53pixelmajhMikeS: hmm, could try. What's your file size limit? The one I have here already is about 32MB
18:10:27jhMikeSpixela: limit for what method? email? If so, I'm not sure since I haven't had to deal with it there.
18:10:54pixelmano, downloading from somewhere
18:11:08jhMikeSno limit
18:11:31pixelmaok, I can still try a shorter part
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18:11:40jhMikeSthanks
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18:12:06pixelmalinuxstb already got the one that failed
18:13:18jhMikeSI saw about an id3 tag but really I'm surprised it should bother it other than perhaps have a small glitch or something
18:15:05jhMikeSamiconn encoded something awhile back that broke it, but it wasn't an unusual case or anything that had to be handled but just a general bug in file checking, I wonder if that could be here too
18:15:18thomasjfoxgevaerts: My plan is to tidy up the patches in the maemo port and send them for upstream inclusion. "Tidy up" includes checking for all printf() and remove or replace them with proper rockbox style debug logging.
18:16:54thomasjfoxgevaerts: Some small hacks would also be removed and I don't think the plugin related changes are ready for upstream. But I can split those out. What do you think?
18:17:17thomasjfoxgevaerts: I don't want to send one big patch after a month or so :o)
18:18:04n1sthomasjfox: small, logically separated patches are prefered imo
18:18:06thomasjfoxStill leaves the issue of only one "debian" directory, even for different target platforms
18:19:58thomasjfoxn1s: I try to make them as small as possible. Though it would make no sense to have the PLATFORM_MAEMO defines without the actual target specific code ;)
18:20:19n1sof course
18:21:27thomasjfoxI've gotta run, cu
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18:40:41linuxstbjhMikeS: The id3 tag was just pixelma's program that extracted the audio stream. Extracting it with mplayer doesn't give an id3 tag, and I can't see anything wrong - it's 22.050KHz, 48kbps, layer III, v2.
18:41:24linuxstbjhMikeS: If you want, I can upload pixelma's sample video she gave me.
18:41:49jhMikeSShe gave me a clip of Sonique on Tomcraft, is that the same?
18:42:24linuxstbI don't know if she just gave me a clip - the file is about 33MB.
18:42:24pixelmait's just a part of what I gave to linuxstb
18:42:25jhMikeSWMP doesn't like the audio track either
18:42:36pixelmabut encoded using the same tools and original file
18:42:55pixelmampegplayer is a port of WMP? ;)
18:43:17gevaertsNo, vice versa!
18:43:20wodzpixelma: Don't you have problem with powering on M5 when battery is ~10% ? On MPIO voltage drops significantly when powering up and when disk stops spinning it slowly recovers. If rockbox boots I can play something for quite a long time before critical battery level triggers auto shutdown.
18:43:27jhMikeSlol...I just thought it was interesting while another program doesn't mind it
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18:45:59pixelmawodz: I noticed quite big differences in battery status right after powering on and leaving it run for a while on at least two of my targets - the c200 and the M5. I can't tell more about this though, my M5 doesn't have a spinning disk anymore and is one of the models with a bigger battery so things aren't so obvious
18:46:58LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Ping
18:47:16jhMikeSone thing to note: it accepts it as seekable and having a duration so it looks like the trouble might be libmad
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18:48:15pixelmajhMikeS, linuxstb: VLC stats show "lost buffers" in the audio right after start which videos working in mpegpleayer don't seem to have but I didn't get an answer what that actually means when asking over at #videolan
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18:49:51jhMikeSactually, mpegplayer's a bit better behaved than WMP. WMP makes strange squeaking noises instead of being silent :)
18:50:24pixelmathat's how they actually called it in their British English UI btw.
18:51:46jhMikeShmmm...I'm gonna have to look on the sim since that prints alot of details
18:52:06pixelmaway too many details for me
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18:55:26TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: gniP
18:56:58LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Is it okay to copy the installer-classic.ubi file to the root of the iPod Classic's HDD?
18:57:17*jhMikeS should consider a less verbose debug output
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19:02:12*LambdaCalculus37 is trying to get Rockbox running on his iPod Classic
19:06:18LambdaCalculus37TheSeven, Farthen: I got the python script to work to copy the bootstrap to the iPod, but UMSboot is telling me that it can't find a .ubi file.
19:06:33linuxstbpixelma: Did you try playing the extracted audio in Rockbox?
19:07:12FarthenLambdaCalculus37: if you want to use umsboot rename the rockbox.ipod to rockbox.ubi
19:07:29linuxstbjhMikeS: I tried it with "madplay" (based on libmad), and the audio played fine.
19:07:59FarthenLambdaCalculus37: or you could just say embios.py runfirmware 08000000 rockbox.ipod
19:08:04LambdaCalculus37Farthen: Ahh.
19:08:42LambdaCalculus37Farthen: Dumb question, but rockbox.ubi stays within .rockbox, right? :)
19:09:06pixelmaFarthen: yes, it played correctly but I'm not sure if the program I used does something else than dumping it (well it seemed to have added an ID3 tag anyway)
19:09:18jhMikeSlinuxstb: ok, then something in the container then maybe
19:09:33FarthenLambdaCalculus37: erm, no, if you do that just copy it into the filesystem umsboot creates
19:10:34LambdaCalculus37Farthen: I'm going to have to try this again.
19:10:38*jhMikeS doesn't know if it recognizes an audio stream and fails to play it or just doesn't recognize it
19:11:10FarthenLambdaCalculus37: umsboot is a thing that creates a virtual filesystem. any .ubi file that is copied into it will be booted at 08000000
19:11:22pixelmathat was to linuxstb, sorry Farthen
19:12:29LambdaCalculus37Farthen: Hang on.
19:12:45BuscheljhMikeS: did you see http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20110102#18:58:53 ?
19:13:24FarthenLambdaCalculus37: if you just want to boot rockbox you should be able to do it with iloader
19:13:50TheSeven[18:56] <LambdaCalculus37> TheSeven: Is it okay to copy the installer-classic.ubi file to the root of the iPod Classic's HDD? << it won't hurt, but it won't do anything special, unless you copy it to the umsboot ramdisk
19:14:32LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: I'm having some trouble getting the virtual fs to show up in Linux.
19:15:22jhMikeSBuschel: I did now. That error isn't too alarming really and seeking will produce many while it tries to sync it but it won't kill audio output normally.
19:15:52FarthenLambdaCalculus37: sorry for confusing you. i thought you wanted to boot rockbox through umsboot ;)
19:15:54Buschelah, ok. didn't look into it further
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19:17:00[7][19:07] <Farthen> LambdaCalculus37: if you want to use umsboot rename the rockbox.ipod to rockbox.ubi << wrong, you need rockbox.bin, not rockbox.ipod
19:18:19amiconnn1s: For me it failed while building gcc itself, due to a missing mpc.h
19:18:31amiconnOn cygwin that is - didn't try linux yet
19:19:13jhMikeSthat's odd. it does find audio frames, but then it keeps searching after STR_DATA_END which seems off
19:19:16jhMikeS*odd
19:19:58n1samiconn: ah, i got mpc and put it in the source dir like we do with mpfr and gmp
19:20:03[7][19:07] <Farthen> LambdaCalculus37: or you could just say embios.py runfirmware 08000000 rockbox.ipod << also rockbox.bin here
19:20:03jhMikeSsays the sample rate is 22050 with 576-sample frames
19:20:08LambdaCalculus37[7]: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20110103#01:03:45 <−− This is where I'm a little puzzled. No filesystem appears afterwards.
19:20:24[7][19:08] <LambdaCalculus37> Farthen: Dumb question, but rockbox.ubi stays within .rockbox, right? :) << .rockbox needs to be on the hard disk, not the ramdisk
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19:20:39LambdaCalculus37[7]: I have a .rockbox directory already.
19:21:43[7][19:14] <LambdaCalculus37> TheSeven: I'm having some trouble getting the virtual fs to show up in Linux. << it's superfloppy formatted, so you need to mount e.g. /dev/sdb directly, not /dev/sdb1
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19:25:50*LambdaCalculus37 has to go back to work...
19:25:54LambdaCalculus37I'll try this again later.
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19:26:31jhMikeSit seems to know the start PTS of the audio, so it must fail at finding the end PTS, which makes it silence the audio
19:33:13jhMikeShmmm oops, no wait...
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19:38:54jhMikeSaha, says the video starts at 45000 but the audio starts at 4294933286 (??)
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19:40:52Bushmillsthat's, with 32 bit ints, same as signed -34010
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19:42:57jhMikeSyeah, but still, from the ISO docs I recall timestamps are unsigned
19:44:24Bushmillssigned/unsigned is just a matter of representation, in this case, output number string formatting. the underlying binary pattern is the same
19:45:21jhMikeSI know that, the interpretation should have have to be signed however
19:45:26jhMikeS*not have
19:46:03jhMikeSit's 33 bits at 90KHz, we use the top 32 for a 45KHz clock
19:46:09Bushmills" I recall timestamps are unsigned" - that"s why it is shown as 4294933286
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19:46:50jhMikeSyes, the are unsigned 33-bit integers, iiow, bit 32 is not a sign bit indicating -
19:47:19Bushmillspardon?
19:47:50fmlHow can I temporarily, i.e. for just one build, change the gcc options (add an option)?
19:48:18pixelmaI'll gladly believe that the transcode program doesn't handle this case too well - it's a video cut at the beginning and end with the audio having to be cut too but not transcoded (since it's already is mpg audio). It would be nice to understand this and why some players get along with the resulting file
19:48:31jhMikeSBushmills: you know in a 32-bit signed int that bit 31 indicates it's negative right?
19:49:02Bushmillsi do, yes
19:49:35pixelmaand if this helps finding/fixing a bug the better
19:49:47fmlgevaerts: I think I know how the open & co hell works. And I think that the application build should not build (also its sim not)
19:50:04gevaertsfml: yes, all that is clear
19:50:14gevaertsWhat's *not* clear is how to fix it cleanly
19:50:18jhMikeSBushmills: ok, bit 32 in the mpeg standard of the 33-bit pts is not an indicator of a negative timestamp, same thing, just one more bit
19:50:38fmlgevaerts: I think I know that as well :-)
19:50:51jhMikeSiiow, it being interpretable as -34010 is utterly irrelevant to this particular application
19:51:03fmlI could try and post a patch or we could discuss it here if you prefer
19:51:22gevaertsYou have a plan?
19:51:47fmlOnce I've understood it (I think), I might have a plan.
19:52:13gevaertsI think something like http://pastebin.com/mzLTPhtw is needed to start with
19:52:42gevaertsJust doing that only changes the bits that don't compile though
19:52:50jhMikeSbut, scanning multiple pts's when finding the first for both audio and video gets the audio working
19:53:08gevaertsAdding app_X() variants for all functions would work, but I'm not sure if we want that
19:53:21fmlThe thing is, for the app and for the sim build, the open is a macro which expands to app_xxx or sim_xxx. Those are the functions that get declared in file.h. So in plugin.c, we have to define PREFIX so that it matches the definitions in file.h.
19:53:23jhMikeSreal start: 10661
19:53:29BushmillsjhMikeS: as that number is presumably printed by code, generated by a compiler, which has no concept of 33 bit numbers, and the coder declared it as - presumably again - 32 bit unsigned, maybe ignoring a possible 33th bit, a negative 33 bit number would by that same code be displayed as large positive/unsigned number.
19:54:04Bushmills(at least a negative number sufficiently close to 0)
19:54:16*jhMikeS doesn't like trolls and know these things, good day
19:54:46fmlgevaerts: I think we need that, whether we want it or not, since that's what we have in the core.
19:55:57fmlgevaerts: your patch goes in the right direction I think, but IMO it's not 100% correct since it doesn't completely match the definitions in file.h
19:56:06gevaertsIt's not complete
19:56:25fmlBTW: in file.h, the same condition (!PLUGIN && !CODEC) is nested into itself.
19:56:33gevaertsThe problem is that in file.h, some functions become app_something, while others are sim_something
19:57:13fmlgevaerts: I wonder how it worked before since the definitions in file.h are different for APP and for the SIM. I.e., different funcs get declared.
19:57:13gevaertsAnd a simple PREFIX() approach can't handle that
19:57:42gevaertsPlugins got the untranslated function, which is what you noticed earlier
19:57:56fmlgevaerts: yes, that's very confusing and wrong IMO. IMO they should be either all app_xxx or sim_xxx. Or just open etc for target build.
19:58:47gevaertsSo we add app_x() for the ones that are currently defined to sim_x() for APPLICATION in file.h?
19:59:04fmlThe fact that some of them are app_xxx and others are sim_xxx is IMO a copy-paste error or a result of someone not 100% understanding how it should be making it.
19:59:18gevaertsI don't think so
19:59:37gevaertsapp_xxx are the ones that need different behaviour in app and sim
19:59:46gevaerts"pure" sim_xxx can be the same
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20:00:20gevaertsThere might still be bugs and omissions of course, but I think that was the idea
20:00:29fmlgevaerts: yes. That's what I'd do. In the case we build the application (target or sim), they all should be app_xxx. For other builds, sim, they should be sim_xxx. For non-app target builds, they should be naked.
20:01:29gevaertsIt seems to be the simplest solution anyway
20:01:57fmlgevaerts: or maybe (I'm not sure), they should be sim_xxx for the app sim too. I don't know what should take precedence: app or sim.
20:02:00gevaertsouch
20:02:07*gevaerts reads firmware/common/rbpaths.c
20:02:14fmlgevaerts: yes, it would be simple and consistent.
20:02:33fmlgevaerts: as of now, app takes precedence.
20:03:22gevaertsI'd prefer not to touch this without kugel's opinion. He did a lot of the work, so he probably understands this a bit
20:04:44fmlgevaerts: he told it's a mess and black magic too. So we're almost equal citizens! :-)
20:05:48fmlgevaerts: I'd like to check all this. The sure way would be to keep the preprocessed files. That's why I wanted to know how I can add an option to gcc (-save-temps).
20:07:04gevaertsThe easiest way is to edit the makefile I think
20:09:41fmlgevaerts: what should I change there? GCCOPTS?
20:10:04gevaertsMaybe. Or EXTRA_DEFINES. It probably doesn't matter much
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20:20:58fmlgevaerts: IIUC, the file funcs should not be declared if we're compiling a plugin or a codec since then they are accessed via rb API, right?
20:21:29gevaertshm, yes, I think so
20:21:36gevaerts(if I understand you correctly)
20:22:23fmlgevaerts: I think you do
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20:43:47fmlkugel: why are the file funcs declared as mkdir_android etc in the case of android build (and not as app_mkdir etc.)? Why is android so special?
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20:50:39Buschelsoap, S_a_i_n_t , maraz: any issues with FS #11830 (ATA/DMA fix) yet?
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21:01:02marazi've been running v07 for about 40 hours now
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21:04:20grawityWhen I press the middle button (ipodnano2g) while in the "System -> Rockbox Info" screen, it says "Scanning disk" for a while. What is it actually doing?
21:05:23pixelmachecking/updating the info about free disk space
21:05:30grawityThanks
21:07:22n1sthe UI for that is not exactly optimal
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21:13:07CIA-7New commit by 03jethead71 (r28961): MPEGPlayer: Try a few timestamps for all streams at the beginning, not just video, to help deal with anomalous start PTS values in a stream. Hopefully ...
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21:15:11CIA-7r28961 build result: All green
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21:17:03fmlgevaerts: this is what I'd like file.h would look like: http://pastebin.com/v84tSNvp
21:18:28*gevaerts nods
21:18:30gevaertsYes
21:18:32fmlgevaerts: I'm not sure what to do with release_files and fdprintf.
21:19:02fmlgevaerts: fdprintf should be probably handled like the others. Where does release_files come from?
21:20:49gevaertsrelease_files isn't applicable to app or sim I think
21:22:06fmlgevaerts: so it should go into the same define as "posix compatibility function"?
21:22:48gevaertsIt's not related to posix really
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21:23:59fmlgevaerts: I mean it should be protected by the same #if's
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21:24:11gevaertsyes, I think so
21:24:41fmlgevaerts: like this: http://pastebin.com/ngmJyjHH
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21:26:59jhMikeSpixelma: test out your stuff now
21:28:57pixelmaheh, nice. Will do in a bit
21:29:37pixelmahmm, I guess I need to toss n1s' test build then though
21:32:01jhMikeS?? can't just replace the viewer alone with it?
21:32:22n1smight work :)
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21:34:03linuxstbjhMikeS: Do you understand why there are those odd audio timestamps at the start of that video? Encoder/muxer bug?
21:34:22fmlSorry, I have to leave. Here is what I've got so far (it doesn't even compile): http://pastebin.com/KdhVSYdi But I think we should work in this direction since it would make the whole story clear and easier to understand, change and extend.
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21:35:00linuxstbjhMikeS: Although I guess they're legal, as the PTS can start anywhere, and wrap...
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21:37:58jhMikeSlinuxstb: Is that really legal? I know they can start anywhere in the 0 to 2^33-1 range but I don't remember anything about wrapping for a PS. The way it's encoded it appears buggy and later one's give proper frame sync. Not one player I tried plays it "nice".
21:41:18linuxstbjhMikeS: Hmm, maybe it isn't - I'm more used to transport streams. But if I was to guess, I would guess it's legal.
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21:48:02jhMikeSlinuxstb: For TS, it makes sense to me. It's sort of ambiguous for a file what's going on. Oh well...I'll hit the docs.
21:49:08*Strife89 wonders what can be done about the most recent issue with http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11664 .
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22:02:21*TheSeven wonders how to make the ipod classic installation process easier
22:03:46*Buschel had severe issues with FS #11830 on his iPod Video two times now
22:04:39pixelmajhMikeS: the part I gave you now plays with sound (though the end sounds "unclean") but the longer version I gave to linuxstb still doesn't (it had been cut at a different position though)
22:05:00Buschel(hissing noise which is connected to LCD drawing, playback frozen, not shutdown possible)
22:07:11pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: I could build a voice for my M5 just fine with cygwin, the only thing I wondered about is that I didn't seem to be able to pass encoder options like speed etc. anymore during configure. I got around that by already stating them when calling configure
22:08:27pixelmaand another bit of weirdness was that during the build itself cygwin complained about "pkg-config: command not found" but it went on nonetheless
22:09:12jhMikeSpixelma: This maybe should deal with wrapping timestamps, they seem to be ok for a PS even if uncommon. To know everything about all discontinuities, the file would have to be scanned in full.
22:09:32pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: can't remember if that happened before though, I hadn't built a voice this way for a long time
22:11:00pixelmajhMikeS: can I get it working by playing around a bit with the exact start position? I don't really understand the background - I apreciate your trying to explain it to me but...
22:12:04jhMikeSpixelma: by editing the source? I guess you can mess with how many it checks.
22:12:31pixelmano, I meant while transcoding the video
22:13:00jhMikeSI suppose if that's all the setting changes
22:19:30*jhMikeS goes and thinks about the wisdom of using wrap-safe calcs for this vs. just dealing brute-force like other players seem to
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22:31:27pixelmaso I guess it *could* work in case the transcoder behaves a bit differently depending on the exact position of the cut
22:31:57linuxstbTheSeven: Is the current install method documented anywhere?
22:32:07TheSevenonly IRC logs
22:32:14pixelmaas it seems to do if one different piece works now and only the other doesn't
22:32:21TheSeventhe actual installation is trivial, but setting up the pc-side prerequisites isn't
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22:39:11|Mystery_Keeper|Greetings. Whom do I ask to add me as wiki user?
22:41:00linuxstbTheSeven: So can Rockbox be installed so that it boots without needing a PC?
22:41:50|Mystery_Keeper|I assume it can on certain devices.
22:42:14|Mystery_Keeper|If you make a right firmware upgrade file.
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22:43:24*Buschel stares at the mp3_encoder code and shakes his head
22:43:38pixelma|Mystery_Keeper|: the question was directed at someone else. What's your wiki name?
22:44:00|Mystery_Keeper|AlekseyLyashin I guess.
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22:46:35soapBuschel, no issue with FS #11830 yet, but have only put about 10 hours and 9 rebufferings on the ipod since the dashboard+heater testing we did last week.
22:46:44soapTomorrow will be another 8 hours.
22:47:55pixelma|Mystery_Keeper|: I added you to the list (in the spelling you mentioned here) but it looks like the wiki doesn't know about that one yet
22:50:09linuxstb|Mystery_Keeper|: Have you actually registered on the wiki yet? You just need to ask in here for someone to give you the rights to edit pages (which pixelma just did). But you need to register yourself first.
22:50:16|Mystery_Keeper|pixelma: to me it says the name is already registered =(
22:52:26|Mystery_Keeper|I tried to register with name Aleksey, surname Lyashin and username MysteryKeeper. It looked like it went through. I asked at forum to give me edit rights, but they say I have to use my real name. But trying to reregister as AlekseyLyashin says the name is already registered.
22:53:03pixelmahmm, that's weird
22:53:15|Mystery_Keeper|Your wiki is confusing =( There's no login fields and nothing is indicating if I'm logged in and under what name.
22:53:51wodzTheSeven: I just run svn build on my HD300 so r28957 seem to fix ata problems.
22:54:06evilnick_BClick Edit and you'll get the login
22:55:39pixelma|Mystery_Keeper|: logout is probably by closing the wiki pages you have open or so but somehow I have a feeling it was more obvious once
22:57:08linuxstbI don't think there is a way to log out - you'll need to restart your browser. (it uses http authentication)
22:57:22|Mystery_Keeper|Ok. AlekseyLyashin didn't accept my password. Maybe someone already registered by that name? MysteryKeeper went throgh, but can't edit.
22:58:08pixelmait's just that on WikiUsersGroup your wiki name I put there has a "?" behind so I think that one doesn't exist yet
22:58:31|Mystery_Keeper|Why can't I register it then?
22:59:56linuxstb|Mystery_Keeper|: I think you need a wiki admin to help you - Zagor or (maybe) B4gder. But I'm not sure they're here at the moment. You could try sending an email to Zagor at the email address at the bottom of this page - http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UserRegistration
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23:01:28pixelma|Mystery_Keeper|: did you try reregistering after restarting your browser? Maybe there's something cached getting in the way. Other than that I also only see the possibility that a wiki admin could shed some light on it
23:01:43|Mystery_Keeper|I tried.
23:01:52linuxstb|Mystery_Keeper|: Or maybe try http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/System/ResetPassword ?
23:03:46pixelmahmmm, really sorry that you have so much trouble but I'm out of ideas then
23:04:19|Mystery_Keeper|=(
23:04:58|Mystery_Keeper|Maybe it doesn't want to register me because some fields are matching? Like email and password or even because of real name.
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23:05:31|Mystery_Keeper|Is authorizing me as MysteryKeeper really not an option?
23:06:06evilnick_BIt's not a real name so no.
23:06:11linuxstb|Mystery_Keeper|: Have you tried that ResetPassword page? According to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WikiUsers your account exists (AlekseyLyashin).
23:07:15|Mystery_Keeper|Yes, I tried.
23:08:07linuxstbAnd what happened?
23:08:45|Mystery_Keeper|Can't get an e-mail address for AlekseyLyashin
23:09:32*pixelma looks around for B4gder... he seems to be "away" though
23:09:47linuxstb|Mystery_Keeper|: Well, I think all you can do is email Zagor (Bjorn) and ask him.
23:10:26B4gderthere is no email entered for AlekseyLyashin so there's no surprise there =)
23:10:43linuxstbOr wait for B4gder....
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23:11:13|Mystery_Keeper|How could it be registered then? ^_^'
23:13:03B4gderprobably it is or was possible to register without email
23:13:35|Mystery_Keeper|What shall we do about it?
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23:16:30B4gderI don't know
23:16:55|Mystery_Keeper|Can you delete the user so I could reregister?
23:17:09|Mystery_Keeper|Both AlekseyLyashin and MysteryKeeper.
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23:29:09wodz|Mystery_Keeper|: Are you the guy who want to port rb to vibe300 ?
23:29:43|Mystery_Keeper|>_> No. I'm the guy who wants a port to Vosonic VP8870.
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23:33:15AlexPwants a port or wants to port?
23:34:39|Mystery_Keeper|Wants a port, having zero knowledge in electronics, but being the only one who's actually doing something to get it started, making a list of chips, finding datasheets, and now unable to edit wiki.
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23:35:32AlexPThat's great, but be aware that it won't go anywhere without finding another interested owner that does have the skills (and the time) to do the port :)
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23:36:26|Mystery_Keeper|Discouraging.
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23:39:43|Mystery_Keeper|What skills are needed? I'm a programmer. I just don't know a thing about hardware.
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23:40:28AlexP|Mystery_Keeper|: Have you seen http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort ?
23:40:36wodz|Mystery_Keeper|: asm and reverse engineering skills probably
23:41:49B4gderand patience
23:41:54B4gderand endurance
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23:42:25Buschelcan anyone provide me with a mono-44.1kHz-16bit-wav? just a short sequence of few seconds?
23:45:30|Mystery_Keeper|Yup, have read it. I know it is impossible for myself to do the port. But I'm doing something I can, since no one even tried so far.
23:46:15pixelmaare there any forums or other communities for users of that player? Maybe you can find other interested people
23:46:21LambdaCalculus37Farthen, TheSeven: iPod Classic installation, take two.
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23:47:03|Mystery_Keeper|Got to search for one. Original Vosonic forum seems closed.
23:48:21|Mystery_Keeper|I asked them for some firmware bugfixes and improvements. They said they won't do it. I asked them for firmware sources and developer's kit. They said they didn't make it and have no authority to provide me -_-
23:48:59|Mystery_Keeper|They are polite, but don't seem to even actually understand what I'm talking about.
23:49:10AlexPThis is normal and unsurprising
23:49:14gevaertsOh, a helpful manufacturer! You got an answer! :)
23:49:33AlexPeven if there weren't NDAs all over the place, they wouldn't help
23:49:42AlexPJust be grateful you got a response
23:50:27|Mystery_Keeper|How could they make a device with such a good hardware and theoretical possibilities with such disposition?
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23:55:00TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: which step are you at currently? umsboot?
23:56:45LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Yes. Currently a message is printed on-screen asking for me to copy a UBI file to the mass storage device and then eject and unplug it.
23:57:56TheSevenok. can you mount it?
23:58:19LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: No, I'm having some trouble doing so in my Linux VM.
23:58:54TheSevenwhat's the device name?

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