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#rockbox log for 2011-01-15

00:01:44bluebrothersaratoga: tried to play a larger video (VIDEO: MPEG2 720x576 (aspect 2) 25.000 fps 7000.0 kbps (875.0 kbyte/s)). Nothing happens, after a while screen gets blank and player turns off
00:02:08saratogayeah theres probably some buffers in there that need to be resized for larger videos
00:02:41bluebrotherwould be nice if mpegplayer would fail gracefully instead of causing a shutdown though
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00:06:42sideralgevaerts: with the zero-copy optimization disabled, I can't reproduce the problem any more. But typically it takes a few days to manifest itself again after a promising change ;)
00:13:17n1ssaratoga: the beast has a tv out so it would be cool to be able to play dvd rips :)
00:13:29n1sif someone made the tv out work, that is
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00:14:16n1sbluebrother: there's a hw watchdog activated on the beast so if it locks up or freezes it will shut down after a few seconds
00:15:23webguest627I am new to chat but I am curious as to why my or any Sony MP3 players do not support this? Is there any hope in the long-term for a release patch?
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00:39:10BRi7Xlooks like a different crowd here from this morning, is anyone familiar with the "Error 5" message from the Gigabeat S? I just installed a brand new hard drive in the unit, and it doesn't even appear to be spinning up. (when plugged in to my computer, windows shows a 1GB [in capacity and freespace] device called gigabeatS, which is not writable.)
00:45:01AlexPWelcome to the gigabeast
00:45:28AlexPIt has the most finickity OF ever
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00:45:59AlexPThat being said, it normally just moans then repartitions/formats
00:46:17AlexPAre you sure the cable is inserted the right way round/fully?
00:46:30AlexPI changed the harddrive in my beast with no problems
00:46:32pixelmabluebrother: sounds like your H100 problem, no? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/11865
00:47:23pixelmaor similar at least, hmmm
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00:50:22AlexPError 5: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6458 everyone here it was a cable/HD issue
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00:52:01BRi7Xyeah i checked the cable connections many times... it's not spinning up
00:52:09BRi7Xin fact i just got done checking it
00:52:38BRi7X05(AlexP05): are you well versed in the realm of the gigabeat?
00:52:57AlexPOnly from fighting the bugger
00:53:16BRi7Xit's a bugger alright.
00:53:24BRi7Xi guess what i need is a hardware guy
00:53:49AlexPWhat disk are you putting in?
00:53:59BRi7XMK3008GAL, arrived this morning
00:54:03AlexPAre you sure it is OK? Any chance of putting it in a caddy?
00:55:09BRi7Xa caddy? like something else that supports it? i think this is the only 1.8" zif hard disk device i have in the house
00:55:35AlexPI mean a caddy as in make in into an external drive
00:55:44AlexPYou can pick them up from ebay for a few quid
00:56:43BRi7Xif a quid is a pound, then a few quid is around 3 pounds... so 15 bucks usd?
00:56:49AlexPe.g. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ZIF-1-8-HDD-Enclosure-Case-h-Caddy-Toshiba-Hitachi-/150393922993?pt=PCC_Drives_Storage_Internal&hash=item23042d25b1#ht_1833wt_907
00:57:08bluebrotherpixelma: indeed, sounds pretty similar. It could even be the same thing −− I have to do some more tests with different database versions tomorrow
00:57:13AlexP£5 = approx $8 US
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00:57:49bluebrotherprobably it's related to the database schema change
00:58:00BRi7Xhrmm, i do have two other "bunked" hard drives, they do the click of death (i got this gigabeatS six months ago, it worked for 3 minutes then started clicking, ordered a new hard drive, dead on arrival with the clicking.... actually it had nothing to keep the zif connector in place, that black rod thing, i had to rig it a bit to get it to spin up, and when it spinned up it started clicking)
00:58:13AlexPBRi7X: But from looking around it seems likely to either be a cable or a disk issue
00:58:15BRi7Xbut this one has the rod, and it's secure
00:58:29AlexPMaybe the cable is bad?
00:58:34BRi7Xhrmm, would i be able to scan any of this stuff and send a picture to someone who knows what they're doing?
00:58:43AlexPHas a nick in it, or a trace broken?
00:59:02AlexPBRi7X: You could try, but it is quite small
00:59:18BRi7Xi was just looking at it with a magnifying glass, i noticed the harddrive had some dark areas on a few pins, i wonder if that could be it
00:59:38BRi7Xif i reach a stale mate with this... is the screen from the Gigabeat S compatible with the Gigabeat F?
00:59:38AlexPwho knows :)
00:59:48AlexPI mean r.e. the HDD
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01:00:07AlexPThe problem is multiple unknowns
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01:02:32AlexPIf multiple drives haven't worked, I suppose it could be the controller or something too
01:02:41BRi7Xhrmm this is a nightmare... haha i think i already have like 130~ invested in this gigabeatS
01:03:08BRi7Xwell the drives spun up six months ago, then the device just chilled dormant and unused until i felt like resurrecting it this past week
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01:03:25BRi7Xyou are right, it could be any number of things
01:03:43BRi7Xi wish the F and the S were more interchangable
01:04:06AlexPThe only thing that annoys me about the F is the stupid touch cross thing
01:04:15BRi7Xyeah
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01:04:48BRi7Xright now i have an F with a broken backlight connector, so i fly blind... oh and the USB port's ripped out. all my fault, definitely. but it's still usable to listen to music on
01:07:37AlexPEspecially with Rockbox's voice system
01:09:41BRi7Xthis is so strange, at this point i feel like i should just try to get another gigabeat F
01:09:59BRi7Xthough are there any other devices that have hard drives and support rockbox?
01:10:26BRi7Xi was told there's something with the zune where it's pretty much impossible to crack or something
01:11:03AlexPSupported models are listed on the front page (www.rockbox.org)
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01:11:38AlexPThe only HD target that is still available new is the ipod Classic, but that is in early development only
01:11:43AlexPbut coming along
01:13:18BRi7Xi have no qualms with ebaying
01:13:32BRi7Xmost of the other devices are solid state, right?
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01:19:26BRi7Xis there someone in charge of the gigabeatS port or is it more of a community situation? i guess what i'm wondering is who could tell me the most about this error five stuff and have the most insight on why the drive isn't spinning up
01:20:13froggymanBRi7X, its more of a community project. No one is really assigned to anything in particular but there is often one person who does more work towards one port than someone else will
01:20:57BRi7Xyeah that's what i was thinking, i suppose i was going for that 'one person', though i understand if sightings of said person could be rare haha
01:21:47froggymanBRi7X, You might have better luck asking on the forums as those are less time sensitive
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01:32:55BRi7Xi shall inquire there, i hope there's a gigabeat section
01:33:23AlexPBRi7X: Or ask jhMikeS, he did quite a large chunk of the S port
01:33:44BRi7Xwhat would this issue go in, Hardware or Repairing and Upgrading Rockbox Capable Players?
01:33:46BRi7Xoh really?
01:33:48jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: (for logs) almost there to make a bootloader USB connect for the first time
01:33:51AlexPjhMikeS: Apologies for throwing you to the wolves :)
01:34:02CtcpIgnored 4 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
01:34:02*jhMikeS likes wolves :)
01:34:05BRi7Xwolves are sweet, but I digress
01:34:18BRi7X(there's a wolf right now on my tshirt actually)
01:34:24jhMikeSwhat's happening?
01:34:54BRi7XI hear you're the guy to see if there's a gigabeat S issue... well there's an issue, Error 5 smacking me in the face. :(
01:35:25BRi7XI just got a new hard disk and it doesn't appear to be spinning up (either that or my hearing's going bad, which is also possible)
01:35:39AlexPBRi7X: You might hit the common issue that people don't care much about the OF, so unless they have had a specific problem they are unlikely to have looked into it
01:35:54jhMikeSerror 5?
01:36:25BRi7Xof course i don't care about the OF, i mean i like windows CE and all, don't get me wrong, but still
01:36:32AlexPjhMikeS: I think it indicates bad HDD (either the drive or cable)
01:36:35BRi7Xyes, Error 5, it's hard disk related
01:37:04jhMikeSyou mean -5?
01:37:38AlexPjhMikeS: It's an OF error
01:37:54jhMikeSoh, I've never seen it
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01:38:44jhMikeSanyway, it's an OF bootloader message?
01:39:13BRi7Xyeah it appears so, i patched the bootloader six months ago, then i gave up for a while.. but this week i just got a new hard drive (arrived today) and that Error 5 is still coming up
01:39:43jhMikeSwill it run anything at all?
01:40:16BRi7Xwell there's a blank hard drive in it , but it doesn't /sound/ like it's spinning up
01:40:29BRi7Xi pseudo italicized 'sound' because i placed it up to my ear
01:40:41jhMikeSstethoscope!
01:40:43BRi7XBUT i did hear some kind of buzzing, but it didn't /sound/ like it was coming from the hard disk drive
01:40:52BRi7Xmy friend works at a hospital, should i ask him to steal one?
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01:41:16jhMikeSsure, it could help
01:41:58BRi7Xin any case, it didn't quite sound like any hard disk spinnage was coming from it
01:41:59jhMikeSif it won't run, and another drive won't run, perhaps there a power supply issue
01:42:06BRi7Xspinnage spinach
01:42:14jhMikeS:)
01:42:30BRi7Xa power supply issue, hrmm... what kind of power supply issue?
01:43:09jhMikeScould be the connector lines, or perhaps something more severe like a damaged component (I wouldn't jump to conclusions though)
01:43:38jhMikeSeven the old drive won't spin?
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01:44:25*jhMikeS reads again and missed "still coming up"
01:44:57BRi7Xthe old drive doesn't have the tiny black rod that keeps the zif stuff in place
01:45:02BRi7Xbut i can hold it down i suppose
01:46:04jhMikeSyou should be able to run it with the case open and put your ear to the drive.
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01:48:07Amsu40gb or so) and i was wondering if there was a simple way to move album art over as well
01:48:15jhMikeSpersonally, I'd locate the power HD pins and check with a meter to see if they have the correct reading
01:48:37BRi7Xreal quick, are you aware of the way that they're supposed to be connected to the drives?
01:48:46Amsusorry, it didnt post right. i used winamp to move over my music library to rockbox, and i was wondering if there was a simple way to move album art as well
01:48:56BRi7Xlike if it's pinside face down into the hard drive with the toshiba stuff face up?
01:51:05jhMikeShmmm....I can give a quick look, maybe even post a pic
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01:51:38BRi7Xthat'd be helpful
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01:54:13jhMikeSthere's a thick trace in the cable, it should be opposite the power button
01:54:39jhMikeSdrive label faces downward toward main board
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01:58:49BRi7Xso wait
01:58:57BRi7Xi'm a little confused by that
01:59:49jhMikeSok, pics of mine then :)
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02:00:17BRi7Xyou might be my hero
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02:00:25BRi7Xbut yeah let's see those pics
02:00:57BRi7Xyou are my hero
02:01:48BRi7Xembarrassing as the solution may have been, i'm SO GLAD it was something stupid and fixable.
02:02:04krazykityou put the hard drive in upside-down?
02:02:11*krazykit did the same thing on his beast
02:02:16BRi7Xyes
02:02:19BRi7Xcan we high five?
02:02:26BRi7Xhigh five to no more error 5
02:03:02jhMikeSyou got it?
02:03:04BRi7Xthat's what sucks about zif, there's really no way to tell
02:03:06BRi7Xyes ^_^
02:03:12jhMikeS\o/
02:03:15BRi7Xbitchpatching now
02:03:34BRi7Xcrap, i need to name this gigabeat
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02:03:59BRi7Xevery gigabeat i had, i gave its drive a name.... my most recent one has been the AstralBeat.
02:07:58BRi7X05(jhMikeS05): so uh, this unit's been pretty much disassembled for six months. i have the pieces and all, but my goal is to reassemble it. is there a walk through or something? i remember there being some sort of disassemble walkthrough
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02:08:39jhMikeSI don't know. It sort of puts itself together I find (now looking for the screw I dropped)
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02:08:45BRi7Xhahaha
02:10:59jhMikeSaha, found it
02:11:32BRi7Xdamn, copying 17GB! weee
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02:11:46BRi7Xreallllly wish my 40GB F drive worked here haha
02:19:42*[Saint] wonders how many of BRi7X's additional drives are "bunked" ;)
02:19:51[Saint]oy, yeah..haha!
02:20:18BRi7Xall of them... none of them have the security rods and i remember both of the others deathclicking
02:20:24BRi7Xhaha
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02:20:59BRi7Xokay the way i just said that made it sound like i have a lot of other drives... i only have two others, deathclickin' and security rodless
02:21:11BRi7Xdoes that meet specification for being bunked?
02:22:10jhMikeSit meets specification for being confusing (all the nicknames) lol
02:22:57[Saint]Indeed...I just had this image in my head of you buying countless drives to check this issue, and inserting every last one upside-down. ;)
02:23:22[Saint]and I though..."Geee...wouldn't that piss you off..."/
02:23:37*jhMikeS doesn't have to answer anything else since he has to reset his beast's clock (which he hates doing) ;)
02:23:53[Saint]hahah!
02:26:09BRi7Xhaha, well. if that was the case, at least i have back ups
02:26:25BRi7Xyou should see my room... there's a skyscraper of gigabeat hard disks
02:26:35BRi7Xgigabeat F hard disks, that is
02:26:44BRi7Xi should donate my gigabeat F to a museum or something
02:27:49BRi7Xno front case, nonfunctioning backlight, no USB port, the "A" button got water damage (beer damage), and the inside of the back casing is signed by two famous musicians (famous in europe i suppose)
02:28:13[Saint]not really sure that's a museum quality piece ;)
02:28:24[Saint]it it were NIB, then... :D
02:28:53BRi7XNIB?
02:29:27[Saint]"new in box".
02:29:32BRi7Xah haha
02:29:57BRi7Xi'd be pretty upset if a new in box gigabeat came with all those ailments... but i'd get it because of the two signatures ^_^
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02:32:07BRi7Xthough, i still use it every day to play music on. sadly i'm usually stuck with the first folder in the menu because i can't see, but i arranged it (through another gigabeat's usb port) to prioritize what albums were on top, taking advantage of "!" always going to the top of alphabetized lists... today i had to set rockbox to show only music because sometimes album art would pop up
02:33:22*[Saint] shouts "Voiced UI" loudly from the rooftops.
02:33:46BRi7Xhow can i configure that without a screen and USB though?
02:33:52[Saint].cfg file
02:34:02BRi7Xwithout USB?
02:34:04[Saint]oh, shit...no USB
02:34:05BRi7Xhaha
02:34:30BRi7Xsometimes when i'm on the train the angle of the sun is right that i can see it pretty well
02:34:36[Saint]I don't think there's an overview of the menu structure....anywhere.
02:35:12[Saint]otherwise you'd be able to do the "press X 3 times, press left twice, press Y, ...done" thing.
02:35:14BRi7Xthe menu structure that i need to know i know. now playing is 3 ticks down etc.
02:35:22BRi7Xfile's at the top
02:36:26BRi7Xhrmm in my joy of getting this to work i think i might have skipped a step
02:36:33BRi7Xgetting a file not found
02:36:39BRi7Xderp
02:36:42[Saint]It would be worth getting an external drive enclosure...so you can set up rockbox properly, and voice all your files.
02:37:33jhMikeSBRi7X: file not found from the bootloader?
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02:43:12BRi7Xyeah
02:43:31BRi7Xhrmm
02:43:35BRi7Xwhat file though, ya know?
02:44:14BRi7Xooh
02:44:19BRi7Xsection 2.6
02:44:30jhMikeSI'd expect 'rockbox.gigabeat' usually, sometimes that happens after first install.
02:44:50BRi7Xwtffff explorer crashed
02:45:21*jhMikeS is pleased to have been witness to such a rare event
02:45:42BRi7Xlmfao, it seems like ever since i installed MacDrive, whenever I right click in the side tree view in explorer, i get failslapped
02:46:34BRi7Xi wish i took latin in high school... if i did i'd be able to give my gigabeat an aweeeeesome name.
02:46:56BRi7Xneo means new... the NeoBeat.. that'll do for now
02:47:01jhMikeSbad shell extension maybe?
02:47:06BRi7Xperhaps
02:47:17jhMikeSe pluribus unum beat
02:47:23BRi7Xbut rockbox.gigabeat is in here... 607KB
02:48:12BRi7Xthis is supposed to go on the same partition that the music is on, all the .rockbox stuff, right?
02:48:16jhMikeSdump a rockbox.tar (instead of .zip) in in /Content/0b00 and reboot
02:48:34jhMikeSyes
02:48:37BRi7Xwhere's /Content/0b00?
02:48:46jhMikeSshould be in the root
02:49:13BRi7Xnone what so ever
02:49:14jhMikeSexcuse me/Content/0b00/00/
02:49:48jhMikeSjust make it and put rockbox.tar in there
02:49:53BRi7Xalright
02:50:00BRi7Xand i'll make the zip into a tar
02:50:02BRi7Xwith 7zip?
02:50:30jhMikeSwhatever works. don't tar the zip file, just tar the contents
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02:51:23BRi7Xrockbox-gigabeats ?
02:51:51BRi7Xgot a rockbox-gigabeats.tar
02:52:38BRi7Xmaybe i should do this with bash?
02:52:42jhMikeSso long as it's in the directory, the bootloader doesn't care what the name is
02:53:55BRi7Xwtfff
02:53:59BRi7Xstill nothing
02:54:11BRi7Xgets as far as Init complete and then "file not found"
02:54:45jhMikeSit should say "Found rockbox binary. Moving..." or "Found tar file. Unarchiving..." before that
02:55:11BRi7Xwhere's this tar supposed to be? /Content/0b00/00 ?
02:55:16jhMikeSyes
02:55:42jhMikeSor a rockbox binary straight up
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02:55:56BRi7Xhrmm lemme try something
02:56:01BRi7Xwait in the small partition or the large one?
02:56:06jhMikeSlarge
02:56:40BRi7Xgot it!
02:56:50BRi7Xwtf low battery
02:57:08BRi7Xif it isn't one thing it's another with this gigaturd
02:57:16jhMikeScharge time :)
02:57:29BRi7Xi think it's been charging all day
02:57:38BRi7Xthough i dunno if it charges with no hard drive inside
02:57:46jhMikeSit won't if it can't boot
02:57:53BRi7Xahh
02:57:59BRi7Xthat makes sense i guesss
02:58:13jhMikeSthe charger is managed in firmware
02:58:58BRi7Xi just realized i don't have the back panel on, which means i have no buttons... but it looks like i'm still able to get full functionality from the front buttons
02:59:27BRi7Xthere's a RADIO on this!?
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03:01:21BRi7Xaww crap my friends are on the way, i was hoping to get this thing back together before then... and has my shirt REALLY been untucked all day!?
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03:02:49BRi7Xgigabeat S and F batteries... interchangeable?
03:03:37jhMikeSthe F battery might work, be sure the connector polarity is correct though
03:03:58jhMikeS* just a paranoid suggestion on my part
03:04:08BRi7Xunderstandable
03:05:16BRi7Xcrap, any sign of schematics for this thing? i have no idea where all these screws are supposed to go
03:06:37jhMikeShehe, maybe something's up on the port page in the wiki
03:07:39BRi7Xis the battery icon supposed to do anything while it's plugged into AC?
03:09:02jhMikeSit doesn't do much other than slowly rise, if you play music the default cabbie WPS shows a lightning bolt
03:09:56jhMikeSthe animation is in gray, so it's not really visible against the background
03:10:46BRi7Xalrighty. see a lightning bolt
03:10:59BRi7Xand damnit, looks like i'm gonna have to go with rubberbands instead of screws until tomorrow >_<
03:11:39jhMikeSduct tape :P
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03:14:01BRi7Xgot a picture: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs789.ash1/167951_10150163716395200_548680199_8481252_7852279_n.jpg how's it look?
03:14:23BRi7Xthe RUBBERBEAST. i'm gonna name it that
03:15:14BRi7Xto the upper top right, you can see the signed back of the Gigabeat F
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03:15:47jhMikeSnot quite Theo Jansen, but if it holds together... :)
03:16:06BRi7XI'm probably gonna get a real case at some point before it breaks
03:16:07BRi7Xerr
03:17:02BRi7Xand tomorrow morning, depending upon how hungover i am... i'm gonna put all those screws in
03:18:14jhMikeSthere are no screws even inside?
03:18:37BRi7Xhere and there
03:18:40BRi7Xi only took off the back
03:18:46BRi7Xand whatever that brace was
03:18:50BRi7Xhope that wasn't important
03:18:59BRi7Xand if it was, i hope it's nothin the rubber bands can't tend to
03:19:07jhMikeSthe brace is
03:19:23BRi7Xi did, however, put that rubber thing around the hard drive, the one that's connected to that black paper-esque material
03:19:28BRi7Xthe brace is?
03:19:28jhMikeSshort machine screws on the case, except the side ones, which are longer and have a bigger thread
03:19:51BRi7Xi wonder how much power a ten minute charge can provide
03:19:58jhMikeSit has the tapped hole that holds that hook on the back
03:20:13jhMikeSnot much power for sure
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03:22:43jhMikeSbattery life isn't exactly spectacular as it is (and I have no idea why atm)
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06:50:48[Saint]kugel: kugel_: JdGordon|: JdGordon|1: That theme is working in the gigabeast sim...so it must be something with either the SDL app, the Android port, or the touch regions.
06:50:57[Saint]I suspect the latter.
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06:51:46[Saint]If it can't do viewport relative touch regions...that's going to SUCK! :/
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07:03:49jhMikeSPP USB mode works :D
07:03:57[Saint]Nice.
07:04:05jhMikeSin the bootloader of course
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07:46:39ThopterIs there a way to have the clock plugin autostart when you turn on the dap?
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08:15:42[Saint]ARGH!!!!
08:18:09[Saint]We *really* need debug output in the sims again... the only output that −−debugwps gives is " Loading '/.rockbox/wps/<BLAH>.ext' " which doesn't help at all. as it posts this whether the file loads successfully or not.
08:18:27[Saint]I just spent an hour hunting down a missplaced colon.
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08:29:15Thopterwow, congrats on your perseverance, and for actually finding it :)
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08:29:56y4nWhat is the reason for volume fluctuating on a very loud track, when is not RG-scanned and my RG preamp is set to +5 db? Fluctuation goes away after I RG-scan the track.
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08:30:04y4n*it is not
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08:32:50y4nIt should rather go all clipping, but not reducing volume :p
08:34:09[Saint]y4n: Just a guess, but do you have prevent clipping enabled?
08:34:13[Saint]Thopter: I spent most of yesterday writing the code, and all of te day before with the images...so I didn't have much choice ;)
08:34:21y4n[Saint]: I checked, it is off
08:34:38[Saint]y4n: *shrug*
08:35:08Thoptersorry for repeating myself, but it's been nearly an hour now:
08:35:13ThopterIs there a way to have the clock plugin autostart when you turn on the dap?
08:35:28y4nthis is by Envy, quite damn loud, about -13 db track gain
08:35:32y4ntrack/album
08:36:31[Saint]Thopter: Google is your friend.
08:36:32[Saint]http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=26342.0
08:36:38[Saint]Sorry, I missed your first post.
08:37:20Thoptergee, and I even searched the forums... though I searched for startup plugin, not boot....
08:38:28ThopterI found essentially the same info, but the posts I found were from 2006 or so, so I hoped there was an easier method by now
08:39:03[Saint]Ah, nope. Nothing's changed in that department.
08:39:23Thopterany reason why that particular feature was commented out?
08:39:58[Saint]It isn't "commented out" because it was disabled, it was never enabled for the general public releases AFAIK
08:40:25[Saint]It's just something put there by the devs to make life slightly easier while testing I believe
08:41:27Thopterah, kk. off now to figure out how to edit and build, thanks for the help
08:41:38[Saint]check out our fine wiki
08:41:44[Saint]http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WebHome
08:42:18[Saint]http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevelopmentGuide is a good place to start.
08:43:38Thopterthanks again
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08:53:05[Saint]Here's a question of preference...if you only have one line to present it in, how should "Next Track" be presented? "Track - Album" "Track - Artist" "Artist - Track"?
08:53:33[Saint]Other?
08:54:08Llorean[Saint]: I'd have the line alternating between "Title" and "Artist - Album" I think
08:54:57[Saint]Hmmm, yeah. I thought I should add that "Next Track:" is on the line above.
08:55:08[Saint]That will work quite well I think.
08:55:15[Saint]Thanks.
08:59:12jhMikeShrmp, sansapatcher thinks the sa9200 is an e200
08:59:57LloreanDoes it have the same USB IDs as one of the recovery modes or something?
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09:01:16jhMikeSno clue on that
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09:01:38jhMikeSit's an older one I had sitting around though
09:04:50jhMikeS.8 still does (off download site)
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09:13:11jhMikeSLlorean: actually, it doesn't look like it
09:14:48sideralSaint: have you seen my update to FS #11877?
09:15:26[Saint]Yes, though I don't quite know what to make of it...
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09:16:31[Saint]On my devices it seems that once the FS is corrupt, it's corrupt...I haven't been able to reproduce the behaviour you have with it magically fixing itself on reconnect.
09:17:04sideralWhat kind of device is that?
09:17:28[Saint]iPod Colour (1 60Gb HDD, 1 64Gb CF)
09:18:11sideralhmm... ok
09:18:35[Saint]it also seems to be .tcd and .fnt files that are the most prone to corruption.
09:18:48sideralcould you please post your experiences / experiments to FS #11877 anyway?
09:19:29[Saint]Yes, I can do...I don't doubt that it's the same bug...I just think it is manifesting itself in different ways.
09:19:33CIA-7New commit by 03jethead71 (r29053): Bootloader USB mode for PP502x. Enable only on GoGear SA9200 for the time being. Add HAVE_BOOTLOADER_USB_MODE to config if BOOTLOADER is defined to ...
09:19:57[Saint]I have a feeling it might be connected to the random lockups that Buschel has seen also.
09:20:31jhMikeSI haven't had random locks on PP5024 devices though (the hardware in those is more stable in general)
09:25:15CIA-7r29053 build result: 1849 errors, 636 warnings (jethead71 committed)
09:25:29jhMikeShmmm
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09:55:07[Saint]Llorean: Thanks, that doesn't look half bad.
09:57:28CIA-7r29054 build result: 108 errors, 1 warnings (jethead71 committed)
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09:58:12jhMikeSdammit I just made some of those
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10:01:57CIA-7New commit by 03jethead71 (r29055): Fix r29054 red...yeah?
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10:07:14jhMikeS!!
10:11:43CIA-7New commit by 03jethead71 (r29056): Get the last warning for vibe 500 bootloader.
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10:16:24pixelmajhMikeS: could this be related to your sync fixes: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,26984.msg176787.html#msg176787 ?
10:16:31pixelmampegplayer that is
10:16:36AlexPjhMikeS: Last warning but not the errors? :)
10:17:02[Saint]moral: errors are fine without warnings :D
10:17:16jhMikeSI misread and thought it was a server error :'(
10:18:56jhMikeSthat file shouldn't be made for that (??)
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10:22:54jhMikeSahh...those can't share the same boot.lds with sa9200
10:24:07ThopterI'm back... I finished making the changes to allow a plugin to start on boot, only on my sansa clip+ the autostart.rock that I place keeps getting changed to a 0kb text file
10:25:24Thoptercan't believe it took nearly 2 hours tho >_<
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10:33:36[Saint]I think you may be misinterpreting the instructions.
10:34:10[Saint]Are you renaming the plugin you want to launch, or literally dreating a file named autostart.rock?
10:34:18[Saint]*creating
10:34:38ThopterI right-click the clock.rock file, go to the .rockbox folder, paste the copy there, and rename it autostart.rock
10:34:53Thopteroops, right-click then copy the clock.rock file
10:35:35[Saint]and at what point does it "keeps getting changed to a 0kb text file"?
10:36:58ThopterI unplug from usb, clip+ says it's updating its database or something, when it's done I restart the player, the plugin does not start when rockbox starts up, so I turn it off and replug in the usb. when I open the .rockbox folder, the autostart.rock file is an empty text file
10:38:25CIA-7New commit by 03jethead71 (r29057): Oops...have to mind the boot.lds variation in /firmware/target/arm/philips by bootloader USB mode or not.
10:39:01[Saint]Are you familiar enough with the copy/paste functions in Rockbox to be able to do this on the device with rockbox booted already?
10:39:23[Saint]It would seem as though the Sansa OF is doing something funky with this file.
10:39:34Thopternot yet...
10:40:31jhMikeSpixelma: now that green should be coming back to the build table, I'm looking at that
10:40:54kugel_jhMikeS: other targets simply use the existing #defines for usb for bootloader-usb
10:41:41jhMikeSpixelma: perhaps
10:41:55[Saint]with the manual as a reference, you should be ok. Just navigate to clock.rock and bring up the context menu on it (you'll need to check the manual, I don't own this device), after bringing up the context menu one of the options you'll see is copy, select copy and then navigate to the root of the player and bring up the context menu again, then select paste.
10:41:57jhMikeSkugel_: it didn't seem so simple
10:42:00jhMikeSnot here
10:42:22[Saint]You can then bring up the context menu on the file you just moved and this time select rename instead.
10:42:31CIA-7r29057 build result: All green
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10:44:06kugel_jhMikeS: at least the beast and sansa amsv1 did so
10:45:47[Saint]Is it known that the Sansa OF could mutilate a .rock file if it were outside of the .rockbox dir? I can't see why it would, but I can't see another explanation for it.
10:45:52[Saint](see above)
10:45:52jhMikeSbut they all build with BLUSB, with PP it's a case where I didn't want to affect every PP target but one and PP5002 was off limits for BLUSB, and all share files (messy)
10:47:15LloreanThopter: What changes did you make to Rockbox?
10:47:59[Saint]Llorean: linked above also.
10:48:11kugel_USE_ROCKBOX_USB/HAVE_USBSTACK also allows per target split
10:48:12[Saint](a wee bit further, though)
10:48:20ThopterI got it figured now
10:48:29Llorean[Saint]: I'm not asking what changes he was told to make, but rather, what changes he did. Sometimes that's not exactly the same.
10:48:37Thopterit works if autostart.rock is in .rockbox/rocks and not in .rockbox alone
10:49:19ThopterLlorean: I made the changes as specified here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=26342.0
10:49:46jhMikeSkugel_: I'm not worrying about a perfect preproccor macro at this time after busting my doing all that shit lol...I'll fix it up later
10:49:47LloreanThopter: And no other changes / patches applied?
10:49:56ThopterLlorean: correct, no other changes made
10:50:03*[Saint] can't see how that would result in the file getting mutilated into a 0b text file, though.
10:50:12LloreanThen it'd probably be worth reporting that there's a bug in autorock.
10:50:15[Saint]it should just ignore it.
10:50:25Thopterif I leave the autostart.rock in the rocks folder, it works
10:50:40LloreanIt's still a bug.
10:50:49[Saint]Indeed.
10:51:13*kugel_ still wonders why autostart.rock isn't enabled by default
10:52:00Thopterat least now I know I can delete the autostart.rock file and nothing bad will happen ^_^, for those times when I want to turn the feature off
10:52:04[Saint]kugel_: I'm sure no-one would have a heart attack if you enabled it.
10:52:08jhMikeSthere are targets that are defining that in USB builds yet not having BL USB mode, it's rather sticky to have also examined every config too
10:52:49Llorean[Saint]: Enabling it by default has been brought up before and rejected. It wouldn't be wise to just blindly enable it, especially if it's apparently currently semi-broken.
10:53:39Thopterinterestingly enough, if I have autostart.rock in both places, .rockbox and rocks, then the file in .rockbox does not get changed to an empty text file
10:53:44[Saint]Ah, well...yes. I should have specifically stated it be in a working state before it was enabled...but I thought that may have been obvious.
10:53:46[Saint]Sorry.
10:53:55[Saint]Yes, it does need to *work* first ;)
10:54:09Llorean[Saint]: Yes it needs to work, but since it's been rejected in the past it also needs discussed.
10:54:27[Saint]There's things in core now that have been rejected in the past.
10:54:36[Saint]rediscussion is never bad.
10:55:05LloreanYes, but you were proposing just enabling it without discussion. *I'm* the one who said it should be rediscussed.
10:57:13pixelmajhMikeS: I wonder though why I didn't see a change/problem in files working before on my M5 at least - I tested all videos I had on the device, or their first few seconds to be precise
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10:57:54jhMikeSpixelma: it might have to do with something in the ams pcm driver
10:58:17Thopterthe OF does not need to do its analyzing files thing when unplugged for the file to be broken
10:59:59ThopterI should also clarify that it works when in .rockbox/rocks/apps... sorry I didn't make that clear before, I just mentioned rocks
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11:01:03kugel_jhMikeS: those define it in the #ifndef BOOTLOADER section
11:01:19kugel_no?
11:02:28jhMikeSnot all of them
11:04:52jhMikeSit's a rather major shift, to the point it needed a different lds and crt0
11:05:25*bluebrother now has a pattern on his crash on h100
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11:11:50bluebrotherit happens if an _old_ database is in the .rockbox folder. After reinitializing the database the error is gone.
11:12:15bluebrotherand it happens if no database is available. Interestingly it works fine on Ipod Mini without database
11:13:04bluebrotherhowever, without r28608 it works fine with the old database. Rockbox however says that the database is not initialized (wtf?)
11:13:15bluebrotheruntil I rebuild the database that is
11:14:12pixelmabluebrother: sounds exactly like the bug report I linked to you last night
11:15:08bluebrotherpixelma: yep, currently commenting on that
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11:21:19[Saint]bluebrother: Sounds like you went more in depth on what was pissing me off with my Colors initially when I got them.
11:21:22gevaertsjhMikeS: you know you can set the time on the beast via USB these days?
11:21:35[Saint]I absulutely could not get the DB to build in a current build.
11:22:27bluebrother[Saint]: well, the database does build and work. However, you need to completely rebuild it
11:22:35bluebrotherat least for the issue I'm experiencing
11:22:49jhMikeSgevaerts: really? how?
11:23:17[Saint]The issue I was experiencing seems slightly different again then, and I'm still didgy about it because it magically fixed itself.
11:23:24[Saint]bluebrother: ^
11:23:43*jhMikeS supposes he should rtfm on occasion
11:23:50[Saint]With new builds, I could not even auto-update a DB built with the release build.
11:24:12[Saint]Sometime the new build wouldn't even detect that the DB was already initialised.
11:24:35[Saint]and now, current SVN manages to init my DB fine. :/
11:26:57jhMikeSsa9200 should move up a notch to unstable by now imho unless somethings missing for that status
11:27:27gevaertsjhMikeS: there's a tool somewhere (for linux anyway) to set ipod clocks (possibly called ipod-time-sync). That also works on rockbox on any software usb target. I can't really find more right now, my connection is *bad*
11:29:03jhMikeSah, that's what that "case RECEIVING_TIME:" is for in usb_storage.c
11:29:22bluebrotherdoesn't the database have a version number?
11:30:00gevaertsjhMikeS: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodTimeSync
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11:33:28Slasheribluebrother: it does have. And the autoresume patch changed internal structures of the db, forcing to rebuild it.
11:35:11*jhMikeS wonders about this iBeat with gigaTunes
11:35:36gevaertsjhMikeS: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodItunesCommunication for the technical details
11:37:38bluebrotherSlasheri: in that case I don't understand why the player gets into this "ui lockup" state −− but given the fact that on h100 it also hangs when no database is present I guess the problem is not related to a database version number
11:39:20Slasheribluebrother: interesting, it's probably related to something else
11:40:03bluebrotherSlasheri: seeh http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11865 for my detailed comments on the issue (if you haven't already :)
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11:44:19Slasheribluebrother: sounds like that when you press stop button, the wps should close and bring back the database. But for some reason, the database viewer gets stuck waiting for the db to become ready
11:45:42bluebrotherSlasheri: not exactly −− I've been starting playback from the file browser, so pressing stop should bring me back to the file browser. Or to the Main Menu, since it also happens when I resume playback directly after startup so the last screen was the Main Menu
11:46:37Slasheriah, then it's more interesting.. have you tried to disable runtime data gathering?
11:46:40bluebrotherand since it is caused by FS #11722 I think runtime statistics logging is the problem, not the database viewer
11:46:50Slasheriindeed
11:47:02bluebrotherno, haven't tried taht
11:49:24bluebrotherok, doesn't occur with "gather runtime data" disabled
11:49:28Slasheriso it sounds it gets stuck waiting the db to become ready when trying to access runtime data
11:49:40Slasheriok, then it should be pretty straightforward to fix
11:51:19*bluebrother added another comment to FS #11865 :)
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11:53:30Slasheriouch, there is a really bad thing in tagtree_buffer_event: while (! tagcache_is_usable()) yield();
11:53:33Slasheriit waits forever
11:53:57bluebrotherthat's the offending commit
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11:54:36bluebrotheraccording to my tests (and git bisect)
11:55:28Slasheribluebrother: hmm, that loop got added recently?
11:55:52bluebrotherSlasheri: yes, http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=28608
11:56:50Slasherioh.. why? you should just ignore runtime data if tagcache engine is not ready
11:56:53bluebrotherit's been added between Rockbxo 3.7 and 3.7.1. When trying I first went back through releases, and 3.7 doesn't show the issue. Buschel suspected that commit and after bisecting it turned out that this is the commit
11:57:01Slasheriit's not likely to become ready anytime soon either
11:57:16bluebrotherSlasheri: ask sideral / see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11722
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11:58:17bluebrotherI can see that people also want the first track to get logged in runtime data, but waiting forever for the database seems a bit strange to me −− not everyone is using the database :)
11:58:24*jhMikeS builds for fuzev2 to see if he gets the mpegplayer stuck bug
11:58:28bluebrotherbut "gather runtime data" still might be enabled
11:58:45*bluebrother wonders if runtime statistics is gathered if there is no database
11:58:55Slasheribluebrother: ah, yes.. so it should wait while tagcache is initializing, not until it's ready
11:59:10bluebrotherbut as I get the hang when no database* files are on my player I guess it does
11:59:18Slasheriwhile (!tagcache_is_initialized()) ...
11:59:41bluebrotheris tagcache considered initialized if there is no database on the player?
11:59:51Slasheribluebrother: yes, of course that loop always waits until tagcache is ready
11:59:56Slasheriyes
11:59:59Slasheribut not ready
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12:00:01jhMikeS...and somewhere there's a fuze buried under a hunk of papers :\
12:00:12Slasheriand it's not initialized until it's ready
12:00:49Slasherioops.. it's not initialized until it _might_ become ready, but doesn't have to ever become ready
12:02:26Slasheribluebrother: sorry, i was wrong.. it should check for a readyvalid-status instead.. there is no external function for that defined yet
12:02:35sideralSlasheri: I was the one who asked to add it −− FS #11722
12:02:55Slasheribut that function should return tc_stat.readyvalid
12:03:35bluebrotherSlasheri: ok, then I'll stop trying that change you mentioned :)
12:03:36Slasherisideral: checking that readyvalid status should be better.. so it doesn't get stuck forever
12:03:49bluebrother"better" :D
12:04:06sideralto increase tagcache statistics precision, and also for autoresume to work with the first track
12:04:44Slasherisideral: yes, that should be a good reason
12:05:12sideralI'd be happy to test any modifications you want to make to this
12:06:05bluebrothersideral: make sure to test it with a database that can't ever become ready :)
12:06:17*bluebrother will test fixes on h120
12:08:34Slasherisideral: i think you should add something bool tagcache_is_fully_initialized(void) { return tc_stat.readyvalid; }
12:08:35sideralcan you open an FS task? I don't have time to handle this right now. Please also explain how I can make a DB that never becomes ready :)
12:09:15bluebrothersideral: see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11865
12:10:00*bluebrother can now reproduce it on Ipod Mini
12:10:01Slasherisideral: you shouldn't change the tagcache_is_initialized() function however, because then boot times would get higher (there is a loop in main.c checking that)
12:10:06sideralah ok
12:13:41Slasherisideral: in fact i think that was originally a design idea to not synchronously wait until tagcache gets ready when starting playback.. So that from the event pressing power button to that first track playing should be as low as possible.
12:14:37SlasheriH1xx players should be best in that respect with all the dircache and tagcache hibernation stuff enabled. There was pretty much optimization on that :)
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12:18:28sideralwe could make the wait dependant on autoresume being enabled, which is where it is needed
12:18:46Slasheriindeed, that sounds good
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12:35:15CIA-7New commit by 03teru (r29058): fix FS #11835: %Lt tag doesn't work on targets with more than 1 screen.
12:39:21CIA-7r29058 build result: All green
12:51:46sideralSlasheri: is there any documentation on what the various DB states mean?
12:53:47*jhMikeS thinks he sees the bug in the AMS PCM driver
12:55:15jhMikeSit seems that it pre-decrements the size remaining which will wreak havoc with the datarace guards in mpegplayer when other drivers post-decrement
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12:56:48jhMikeSit's not the only bug there either
12:57:07Slasherisideral: initialized == tagcache thread started, buffers allocated and possible committing has been done. ready == a valid tagcache database found on disk and everything is operational. readyvalid == if ready is still false, the db is not becoming ready
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13:14:00CIA-7New commit by 03jethead71 (r29059): Fix problem with AMS PCM driver that caused mpegplayer lockup. It pre-decremented the size remaining where it is supposed to be post-decremented by ...
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13:17:08pixelmajhMikeS: could those bugs also cause problems with recording (I think I saw a bug report, not sure though), or the often described hiss?
13:17:47CIA-7r29059 build result: All green
13:18:28jhMikeSit seems to have been done properly for recording
13:20:15jhMikeSother problems might have to do with the peculiar memory setup (maybe I'll just change it all when I'm not sleepy) :)
13:21:04pixelmaalright, thanks for looking into it at all :)
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13:28:57jhMikeSnp, guess I'll close the task opened by Progweed when it's confirmed fixed
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13:59:11sideralSlasheri: thanks!
13:59:17sideralbluebrother: Pretty nice and complete analysis you've done for FS #11865 −− thanks! I'll try to look into this tonight.
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14:28:08newClipUserI got another FAT corrupt error on my clip+ :(
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15:27:33[Saint]JdGordon| is %Vi(label,X,X,X,X,-) and %VI(label) correct?
15:28:09[Saint]that's V small i, V big I
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15:32:13[Saint]This whole theme totally relies on a conditional UI viewport, and the theme editor seems to know *of* this function, but not how to correctly display it.
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16:00:52sideralnewClipUser: It could be this issue: FS #11877. Or it could simply be that you've used the OF in between, which (I noticed on my ClipV2) sometimes does not update the 2nd FAT when it creates or updates its magic files in the ##MUSIC and ##PORT folders
16:01:36sideral(which is benign)
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16:03:40sideralNext time it happens, can you check whether the corruptions go away without fixing when you reconnect to the host or reboot to the OF?
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16:28:26TheSevenipod nano 4g: ARM1176JZF-S running at 266MHz (default)
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16:40:23[Saint]sheesh.
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17:09:50TheSeven[Saint]: i bet we could get that up to ~500Mhz
17:10:05TheSeventhe same core is used in the ipod touch 2g :)
17:10:37[Saint]wow...move over gigabeast ;)
17:10:50TheSevenexactly
17:12:06[Saint]heh...you could watch widescreen DVD rips on it ;)
17:12:44[Saint]How long have you been playing with a Nano4G for?
17:15:31TheSevenhmm i have one since about half a year ago i'd guess
17:15:37TheSevenbut i haven't done much with it so far
17:16:08[Saint]I have one NIB....somewhere.
17:16:58[Saint]I have a NIB 5th gen too...but the 5th gen is "less MIB" (I actually opened this box and looked at it)
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17:17:09[Saint]*NIB
17:17:26[Saint]the Min In Black have little, or nothing to do with this.
17:17:40[Saint]*men
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18:03:06WhoopHi, I just put rockbox on my sansa clip+ and to discover you can't mount it via usb without the OF >_<
18:03:09WhoopHow can I dual boot?
18:06:49WhoopOh wait, apparently it can - you just need to shut it down first
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18:11:20[Saint]correct, additionally, dual-boot is described in our fine manual.
18:11:31[Saint]http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-build.html
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18:13:56WhoopThanks :)
18:14:01*Whoop suspects just turning off is easier
18:14:08Whoopso i'll stick with that for the moment, ty
18:16:34WhoopIs it safe for me to remove applications nad games just by deleting their files?
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18:45:41TheSevenWhoop: it should be safe, but they take barely any space anyway
18:46:03Whoopthanks
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18:47:03*TheSeven slowly starts to understand how the ipod classic syscon works
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20:42:13denisesballshey all. on a sansa clip+ i'm seeing my microsd card in files but not the database. tried initializing and rebooting. at one point i could only see the sd card and not the internal music. what am i missing?
20:42:29denisesballsannnnnnnnd nvm
20:42:35denisesballstheyre there all of a sudden
20:43:49sideralSlasheri: After pondering the wait-for-DB before 1st track starts issue some more: Don't you think a user who's enabled runtime statistics would be willing to wait a little bit for the 1st track after poweron in exchange for the feature he's enabled actually working correctly?
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20:45:56sideralespecially as playback will be starting already (unless autoresume is also enabled) −− just the gui will take a bit longer to respond to keypresses
20:46:04Slasherisideral: that depends, because missing runtime data would only affect missing ratings, playcount or something like that on wps (if customised). However, all statistics should be updated correctly when the track has finished
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20:48:37Slasherisideral: i prefer that a missing value in wps is "better" than a longer boot time until playback starts
20:49:14sideralno it won't if the 1st lookup fails
20:49:23TheSevenLuca_S: system controller, in this case all the clock generation and dividers, clock gating, ...
20:49:34sideralbut we could fix that
20:50:00Slasherisideral: ah, it no longer updates statistics for that track if the lookup failed?
20:50:15sideralcorrect
20:51:53[Saint]If there's one thing I know, it's that an increased boot time will cause just as passionate a debate as this whole "needing to have the database init'ed for a "seemingly unrelated" feature" thing did, if not more.
20:51:55Slasherisideral: ok, so it's a more complex issue then.. maybe it could be made to re-lookup unless there is side effects for that
20:53:15sideralyeah. but as I said, playback shouldn't be delayed as it is now, the lookup will be done after playback starts. just the gui will wait till the db has become ready and the lookup occurred
20:53:56[Saint]How long could this take? potentialy?
20:54:07[Saint](worst case, many many small files)
20:54:40Slasherithe delay shouldn't be more than a few seconds
20:55:01Slasheribut should be definately noticeable at least on the H1xx when all optimization features are used
20:55:03[Saint]multifont caused less than that...and it was a HUGE deal.
20:56:28[Saint]Actually...I'm not even certain if it was conclusively proven that multifont *did* extend boot time...just the idea that it might was a huge discussion.
20:56:59[Saint]Just be wary that extended boot times wil cause some heated debates.
20:57:12Slasheriin fact there is a one second sleep in tagcache code between the basic initialization and actual database structure checking and loading.. so that the db wouldn't slow down the boot process
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21:00:32Slasherisideral: but if only UI would be delayed and not the actual playback, i wouldn't think that as bad problem then
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21:06:07[Saint]How could the UI be delayed without delaying playback?
21:06:33[Saint]if the UI is delayed by X, playback will be delayed by X too...no?
21:09:54sideralno, the codec starts before the lookup, asynchronously (unless you use autoresume, in which case you _want_ to wait for the lookup of the resume offset
21:09:56sideral)
21:13:48[Saint]I suppose I'm looking at it too literally...they way I understand it, if the UI is delayed by X, then playback must be delayed by X also as the user would be prevented from commencing playback by the delayed UI, even if it were *possible* to commence playback at that time (were it not for the delayed UI).
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21:17:43sideralSaint: literally, it's only the audio thread that's delayed a bit (while waiting for the DB to become ready) after the first track has started, so only GUI stuff that manipulates audio will have to wait a bit after the first track has started
21:19:44sideralan to repeat, this wait only happens if the user wants playback stats
21:20:32sideralif it was really a problem, we could also work towards making the DB lookup fully asynchronous
21:22:25TheSevengevaerts: which one was the rather trivial executable format you suggested for pebbles?
21:22:48TheSeveni don't mean that GOT thing, but the other runtime-relocating format you suggested back then
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22:45:52Dhraakelliantheme editor doesn't understand the bar tags, does it
22:50:47[Saint]Nope.
22:52:46[Saint]Oh, it *might* have some of the early bar tag logic in there...it certainly isn't anywhere near current SVN though.
22:53:03BRi7Xwow i just saw on the main page that rockbox is being ported to android? what does that entail exactly? like a rockbox app or a complete replacement of android or what?
22:53:15[Saint]Or even 3.7/.1 release, for that matter.
22:53:21[Saint]Dhraakellian: ^
22:53:21Dhraakellianokay, well, at least it gives me visualization for *where* the bar wil lbe
22:53:36B4gderBRi7X: an app
22:53:44[Saint]BRi7X: Not being, *is*.
22:53:59[Saint]And think of Rockbox...but, on your phone.
22:54:14DhraakellianBRi7X: haven't tried it recently, and even when I did, it was an early version running on an alpha/beta-quality port of Android to the Nokia n900, but it was serviceable
22:54:20Dhraakellianprobably much, *much* better now
22:54:27BRi7Xreason i said being is that it's listed under 'unusable' haha. but damn that's interesting, i was trying to decide whether i should get a windows phone or an android phone
22:54:37Dhraakellianand the n900/maemo port is actually looking pretty good
22:54:50Dhraakellianjust needs some better keybindings, ithink
22:55:00BRi7Xso it runs on top of the android software then?
22:55:18B4gderBRi7X: yes, as an app for android
22:55:20[Saint]There's a choice between WinMo and Android?!? ;)
22:55:24BRi7Xsweet
22:55:35DhraakellianBRi7X: I think it's basically a touchscreen simulator, but better integrated
22:55:44Dhraakelliantouchscreen-target sim
22:56:01DhraakellianBRi7X: go with Android.
22:56:14[Saint]amen.
22:56:56BRi7Xoh i will haha
22:58:05DhraakellianOr, if you're feeling supergeeky, go with a Nokia n900 and then install MeeGo when the next version comes out
22:58:41B4gderthis is off-topic though, and meego isn't targeted for n900
22:59:28DhraakellianB4gder: well, if the maemo port runs on maemo4...
22:59:50Dhraakellianwhy not also Maemo6/harmattan ( = meego on the n900)
22:59:57Dhraakellianbut yes, point taken
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23:00:30amiconnCygwin obviously doesn't want me to build the new m68k toolchain :(
23:02:08amiconnThe weird 'fork' error always happens (and always in the same place) when using gcc 4.3.4. Because of that I tried the "classic" cygwin gcc (3.4.4). That one fails with "onfigure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" in libmpfr :(
23:03:05[Saint]isn't CygWin GCC at 4.50 now?
23:03:14[Saint]4.5.0
23:03:41*[Saint] checks.
23:03:46[Saint]yep.
23:04:18amiconnThat must be very new then
23:04:38[Saint]I haven't updated in a few weeks at least.
23:05:18amiconnHmm, cygwin setup doesn't offer an update for gcc4
23:05:36[Saint]No...weird eh.
23:06:01[Saint]iirc, I went from 4.3.4 to 4.5.0
23:06:10amiconnWell, I can select it manually
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23:06:45amiconn4.3.4 still seems to be default (if you install stuff that requires gcc4 - otherwise it's still the old trusty 3.4.4)
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23:17:06amiconnattempt #5
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23:40:24[Saint]Is the fontpack not built daily?
23:44:38[Saint]"We have a font-pack that is built every day with a bunch of extra fonts. Get it here!" <−−- Last modified: 23-Sep-2009 ( http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/ )
23:45:35[Saint]and, we stop users from uploading fonts to the themesite so that they don't accidently *down*-grade their fonts...
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