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#rockbox log for 2011-01-16

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00:59:45sideralSlasheri, bluebrother, Buschel: Update to FS #11865 (WPS freezes)
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01:12:46S_a_i_n_tAnyone present with RaaAoA knowledge?
01:15:35S_a_i_n_tspecifically, I changed the installToolchain script to pull the r08 SDK as opposed to the r07 SDK...I'm guessing this is the reason the script failed, but it would be nice to know for sure.
01:17:29S_a_i_n_tbuilding on CygWin, installed FS #11234...googling seems to suggest I need nothing extraordinary in my CygWin setup (it's a full install...so if I don't have <blah>, damned if I know where to get it)
01:21:56CIA-7New commit by 03jethead71 (r29060): Display messages only when entering USB mode in Portal Player bootloader to keep timed-out charger-only connects going into verbose mode.
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01:25:10S_a_i_n_tare you "typing" with the Wiimote?
01:25:21S_a_i_n_terrr..wrong channel.
01:25:26S_a_i_n_t;?
01:26:36CIA-7r29060 build result: All green
01:29:58n1samiconn: i used the 3.4.4 version when i built
01:30:53n1shave you checked the logs in the mpfr dif if they say anything about the error?
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01:35:25CIA-7New commit by 03jethead71 (r29061): Fix typo on macro made during previous PPBL commits.
01:38:54CIA-7r29061 build result: All green
01:40:41gevaertsTheSeven: Torne suggested something. I can't think of the name right now...
01:41:02Tornei did?
01:41:15Tornefor what?
01:41:29TheSevenTorne: some rather trivial (but more clever than GOT) runtime-relocatable executable format
01:41:52TheSevenback in the times when gevaerts dealt with pebbles :)
01:42:08TorneOh, right
01:42:09TorneFLT
01:42:12Tornefrom uClinux
01:42:18Tornesearch for elf2flt for the tool that makes them
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01:42:40Tornenot sur eif it's sufficient for us but it's worth looking at
01:43:13TheSevenTorne: thanks, that was exactly what i was looking for :)
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01:58:30sideralI think I just saw the aligned 0x7d corruption problem again, despite having SD zero-copying disabled :( (There's a small chance though that I booted up an old firmware version by mistake, as I was playing with versions)
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02:00:23sideralgevaerts: My next theory: an allocation problem + buffer overrun, leading to those 0x7d's being put to the beginning of the buffer USB slave mode uses for its transfers
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02:08:35TheSevenif i declare an int (*foo)[10]; and have a void* and want to cast it to the earlier, how do i do that?
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02:09:16TheSevenint (*foo)[10] = (int(*)[10])pointer; results in "warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type"
02:10:48TheSevenno C gurus around? :(
02:12:45Torneyou mean (int*[10]) no?
02:13:05Torneer
02:13:05TheSevenhmm, according to cdecl that would be the wrong way round
02:13:58TheSevengets an "error: cast specifies array type"
02:15:16Tornejust do int** ?
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02:17:22TheSeven*facepalm*
02:17:24TheSeventhanks :)
02:17:56TheSevenhm, no, same problem
02:18:00TheSeven"warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type"
02:23:35_jhMikeS_use int (*foo)[10] = (typeof (foo))pointer; ??
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02:26:50jhMikeSint** != int (*)[10]
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02:28:15jhMikeSgcc compiles "int (*foo)[10] = (int(*)[10])pointer;" here
02:29:32jhMikeS*without warnings I might add
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02:40:17CIA-7New commit by 03jethead71 (r29062): e200v1 seems to be ok using USB-enabled bootloader. Also, include the bootloader USB .lds into the boot.lds instead of pasting into every one to keep ...
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02:48:17CIA-7New commit by 03jethead71 (r29063): Fix r29062 warning.
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02:51:39yelpedThanks guys for all your great help, but I set the value to 0 in the Config for the Config_Tuner, and I still have errors. Recording Menu errors. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks.
02:52:14CIA-7r29063 build result: All green
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03:12:46[Saint]JdGordon|: ping?
03:13:52[Saint]what is:
03:14:00[Saint]Error: The tools directory property is not set, please make sure you are executing android
03:14:04[Saint]telling me?
03:14:34[Saint]I'm trying to run installToolchain.sh to build RaaA on CygWin
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03:53:26[Saint]If someone was able to build me an SVN 240x320 Android .apk I would really appreciate it, apparently it's a royal PITA trying to build it on CygWin, and my current connection most definitely won't allow for me setting up a VM to build in.
03:53:55[Saint]Actually, I think it would be hard to put how much I would appreciate it into words.
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08:32:30amiconnGrmph
08:32:51amiconngcc 4.5.0 on cygwin throws the exact same error as gcc 4.3.4 when trying to build the new m68k toolchain :(
08:33:21DhraakellianI'm finally getting around to working on the moodbar theme stuff again
08:33:39Dhraakellianstarting by porting the venerable Plain Text VP wps from e200 to Fuze
08:33:46Dhraakellianwell, mostly
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08:34:14Dhraakelliandropping info I don't need, consolidating some other stuff, maybe even adding some more
08:34:46amiconnIt always happens when building gcov_merge_add in libgcov.c (part of libgcc) for -mcpu=5307
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11:37:20CIA-7New commit by 03bertrik (r29064): Czech language update - FS #11869 by Marek Salaba
11:41:20CIA-7r29064 build result: All green
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12:40:52CIA-7New commit by 03teru (r29065): Update manual for image viewer plugin.
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13:10:34*TheSeven spots a file handle leak!
13:11:18TheSevenin file.c, if (file->write && (flags & O_APPEND)) and the lseek fails, an error is returned but the handle is not freed!
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13:45:16CIA-7New commit by 03teru (r29066): image viewer: add quick guide describing how to add image decoder. also improve comments.
13:48:43CIA-7r29066 build result: All green
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14:30:05glorkHello
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14:31:02glorkCan somebody help me install Rockbox on portable CD player?
14:31:37bertrikno, rockbox does not run on portable CD players
14:32:01glorkwhy?
14:32:10glorkcd player supports firmware update
14:32:39glorkso one can port rockbox to it if it was not done yet?
14:34:25bertrikpossibly, it requires someone with the skill, time and motivation to actually do the port
14:35:38glorkcan you help me do it?
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14:40:01bertrikprobably not
14:40:36glorkstripwax can you help me?
14:40:55glorkhelp me port roxkvox to portable cd player
14:41:28stripwaxme? no, i don't think i can...
14:41:57n1sglork: see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort to get an idea of what you need to do
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14:42:29glorki already read that page, but there is nothing with portable cd player!
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14:43:54n1sglork: the fact that it uses a cd as storage medium instead of hdd or flash shouldn't matter much
14:44:10n1syou still need to figure out how to get code running on it etc
14:45:29glorkdamn
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16:31:42bikihi kids
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16:34:50bikii see dead people
16:35:42stripwaxbiki - do you want to discuss on-topic stuff like rockbox?
16:36:26bikiwell i only have one silly question, but i'm not sure if it's right place to ask
16:36:44stripwaxif it's about rockbox it's probably the best place
16:37:21bikiwell i couldn't find in manual what is that 'lighting shaped' icon that flashes sometimes
16:37:31Tornedisk access
16:37:41bikiaah
16:37:47bikinow i'm 100% happy
16:37:52stripwaxexcellent!
16:38:07stripwax(is that really not explained in the manual? gah)
16:38:19bikirockbox turned my mp3 player into kick ass machine
16:38:26bikiwell maybe it is but i suck at finding stuff
16:38:27stripwaxout of interest, which mp3 player do you have
16:38:35bikisansa clip +
16:39:16stripwaxyour comment is excellent. is the sansa clip + ('without rockbox') really bad?
16:39:40bikihard to say, i installed rockbox right after unpacking
16:39:44stripwaxheh
16:39:54bikididn't really used it with original firmware
16:40:01Tornethe recent sansa OFs are pretty reasonable
16:40:25pamaurybut rockbox is definitely better by definition :)
16:40:27bikidoes it support file browsing?
16:40:43Torneno.
16:40:53bikii have lot's of stuff in mpc format so original firmware isn't very useful
16:41:10bikiand i don't use playlists, i prefer file browser
16:41:18bikiso for me rockbox is perfect
16:41:28*Torne wasn't suggesting you shouldn't use rockbox :)
16:41:39Tornejust noting that the sansa OF is much better than most
16:42:42bikiif i only could avoid starting original firmware when it's connected to pc..
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16:45:21*bluebroth3r prepares the "do not use Rockbox" campain :)
16:45:54bluebroth3rsideral: the patch in FS #11865 seems to fix the problem. At least I couldn't reproduce it any more with the approach I've described in the task
16:57:34sideralbluebrother: excellent!
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17:02:04sideralfeel free to commit it, also to the 3.7.1 branch. it should perhaps be in the daily builds pretty soon
17:07:27kugelautoresume isn't in 3.7 is it?
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17:24:41sideralkugel: nope, and neither in 3.7.1
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17:34:25Lloreansideral: Features aren't added to point releases, so "3.7" was more or less referring to 3.7.X. They're for bug fixes.
17:35:50[Saint]"more or less" is too hard to convey over the internet, without actually doing so, though.
17:36:34Llorean[Saint]: Yeah, but my point was that saying "neither in 3.7.1" suggests he may not have realized that the point releases don't add features.
17:36:42LloreanI was just trying to clarify.
17:36:56LloreanIf 3.7 had it, 3.7.1 or 3.7.anything couldn't have it.
17:37:01LloreanEr if 3.7 *didn't* have it
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17:43:01dionoeahello
17:43:26dionoeakugel: why doesn't the apk make target depend on the zip one? (since it seems to be a prerequiste)
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17:46:44kugeldionoea: annoying for development
17:47:03kugelnew zip means extracting, but the zip doesn't change most of the time
17:47:31dionoeahum... ok
17:48:42[Saint]does there exist anywhere, a how-to/checklist for compiling an .apk?
17:49:25dionoeain the rockbox source you have a README file if you were refering to compiling a rockbox apk
17:49:31dionoeaandroid/README
17:49:56[Saint]yes, just wondering if there was anything a bit more fleshed out.
17:49:58kugelmake && make zip && make apk, basically
17:50:20[Saint]well, yes...that part I understand.
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17:51:27kugelwhat part is unclear?
17:51:41dionoeayou only need to install the latest sdk and ndk packages, set the appropriate env vars, run configure and then you're about done
17:52:17[Saint]well "latest" is a bit iffy...do I trust the script?
17:52:24[Saint]it seems to be a little dated.
17:52:28*kugel never used the script
17:53:17[Saint]Yay...build tools the maintainer doesn't use/maintain! ;D
17:53:46kugelit's not my scrip
17:53:47kugelt
17:54:09[Saint]probably why I had such of a bitch of a time with it and CygWin.
17:54:29[Saint]More docs would be...nice.
17:54:57kugelfor android you probably don't need cygwin
17:55:11kugeljust msys and the windows binaries of the sdk and ndk
17:55:59*[Saint] refers to the previous statement ;)
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17:56:35kugeli doubt anyone did RaaAoA on windows yet so who should write that documentation?
17:57:11[Saint]IIUC it's been built successfully under CygWin before now.
17:57:40kugelnot to my knowledge
17:57:56[Saint]even docs saying it's not possible, would be nice.
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17:58:10dionoeaI doubt that it's impossible
17:58:13[Saint]FS #11234 has a patch specifically for building under CygWin
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17:58:20[Saint]if someone went to that effort...
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17:59:57kugelif the lack of docs made you use ubuntu it's good we don't have docs :P
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18:00:56[Saint]not having docs is *never* a good thing ;)
18:01:24dionoeakugel: would it be ok to add a make target to run "$ANDROID_SDK_PATH/tools/adb install -r rockbox.apk" ?
18:01:54dionoealike hijack the make install target
18:01:55kugel[Saint]: we recommend a vm anyway, so the docs would probably have a single line "forget about cygwin and use a vm"
18:02:16kugeldionoea: the installApk script is even better
18:02:23[Saint]"we" seems to be quite slit down the middle
18:02:30[Saint]well...not the middle, but split.
18:02:46dionoeakugel: ok. I'll add a target which runs that script hen.
18:02:49dionoea*then
18:02:50kugelnobody recommends cygwin
18:03:30[Saint]best take every shred of "building <blah> with CygWin" out of the docs then...
18:03:54kugeldionoea: the script also runs rockbox after installing, not sure if it's desirable for make install
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18:04:29dionoeakugel: ah right.
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18:05:58kugel[Saint]: I've not tried the ndk on windows but I think it also leverages cygwin, might be worth trying to use it the way google designed it
18:06:31[Saint]kugel: In theory, if I change installToolchain.sh to point to the latest (r08?)...it should "just work"?
18:06:53kugelr5 is the latest
18:07:45kugelnot sure where you have r08 from, but http://developer.android.com/index.html has all the information you're going to need
18:09:29[Saint]r5 is the latest NDK, but r8 is the latest SDK...installToolchain.sh points to the r7 SDK
18:09:49kugeloh right
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18:10:36kugeli suggest you just download them manually
18:11:06dionoealooks like they moved the adb tool to a different directory in the latest sdk release
18:12:47[Saint]kugel: So, which SDK to get? I assume if you're working from r7...then?
18:13:24dionoeayay! I have a non working rockbox widget :)
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18:17:46kugel[Saint]: I'm on r8
18:19:18kugelafter installing the sdk you need to run android.exe in the tools folder of the sdk (unless the installer does that already)
18:19:27[Saint]so, DL/extract S/NDk...set $N/SDK_PATH vars...configure...done?
18:19:46[Saint]+what you just said, right.
18:19:54kugelyes
18:20:01kugelsounds about right
18:20:24[Saint]says the lead developer ;)
18:20:34[Saint]This project is sooo awesome sometimes :P
18:21:21kugelyou need to understand that I'm on linux and don't care about windows
18:21:49[Saint]yes, but...I ussumed we were still *talking* about linux
18:22:03[Saint]*assumed
18:22:43kugeli thought we were talking about windows/cygwin
18:23:24[Saint]Nah...I gave up there. I'm not going to go forging any ground that others haven't walked.
18:23:36[Saint]I chose the path of least resistence.
18:23:40kugelbut what you said applies on linux as well, except s/android.exe/android/
18:23:52*[Saint] nods.
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18:31:19[Saint]kugel: I'll need the JDK also?
18:31:43kugelyes
18:31:53[Saint](all I want to do is compile a SVN head .apk)
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18:32:51kugelapt-get install openjdk-6-jdk works
18:33:15sideralLlorean: thanks for the clarification. I knew that, but was trying to be unambiguous
18:33:23[Saint]ah, right...thanks,.
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18:45:20[Saint]how rigidly do I need to follow the "setting up the Android SDK" page?
18:45:45[Saint]I mean, is it *all* necessary if I only want to spit out an .apk occasionally?
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18:50:38[Saint]kugel: apparently you reccomend a different JDK...does this matter?
18:51:02kugelit shouldn't matter
18:51:20[Saint]or, a different way to get the *same* JDK?
18:51:25[Saint]ah, nope.
18:51:39kugelbut i don't know if the sun jdk is in the repos that ubuntu enables by default (because it's not free)
18:52:07kugelit's a different, but compatible java implementation IIUC
18:52:14[Saint]Do I need to install Eclipse also?
18:53:11kugelthat's not necessary
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18:53:20pixelmaI might try investigating the cygwin install for android next week at my home desktop but I need to repair install cygwin anyway before and I also got a linux VM there. It would just be for "scientific" purposes
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18:53:47[Saint]Aha...excellent.
18:54:04[Saint]Here's hoping you get less frustrated that I ;)
18:54:09[Saint]*than
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18:59:07pixelmait's just that the current state of cygwin on that PC is a bit weird - it managed to make my SVN checkout and build directories completely somehow and I need to get it going at all first
18:59:21pixelmacompletely vanish
18:59:38[Saint]wow...
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19:52:05pixelmahmm, there is a language option just called "remote" but it's dependend on HAVE_REMOTE_LCD defined. Isn't this a bit misleading for targets that only have non-lcd remotes (like the Gigabeats and the Recorders)?
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19:54:01kugelpixelma: do they define HAVE_REMOTE_LCD?
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20:20:17pixelmaif they don't have an LCD, they shouldn't. My question was more about the wording of the option
20:20:34pixelmaor of the feature to be precise
20:21:24[Saint]where is it actually used?
20:22:01pixelmafor the in/excluding language strings (and reused for the manual)
20:23:50[Saint]change it to LCD Remote, or Remote LCD?
20:24:31[Saint]remote does seem a bit vague, it it doesn't actually include *all* remotes.
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20:25:19pixelmayeah, that was my question. It would be a bit of a bigger change though because all lang files would need to be adjusted :\
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20:35:56kugelpixelma: i think the code doesn't know about remotes of they don't have an lcd
20:36:25kugelonly the button read routine accepts additional input
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21:26:58AshokaMauryahey guys
21:27:08AshokaMauryahey guys
21:27:15AshokaMauryaI gotta question
21:27:51AshokaMauryaSo, I deleted all the music off of my MP3 player
21:27:52[Saint]Well, we can't an it 'till you ask it ;)
21:28:04AshokaMaurya(Sansa Clip +)
21:28:16AshokaMauryaand it's telling me that I only have 60MB free
21:29:16AshokaMauryait's a 4GB Clip+ and the only thing I have on it is a folder that's 220MB
21:29:20[Saint]your OS has probably put the deleted files in a recycle bin on the disk.
21:29:52AshokaMauryaIt's probably from when I plugged it into a windows laptop
21:30:23[Saint]wait, did you delete the fiels using Rockbox or some other OS?
21:30:28[Saint]*files
21:30:37AshokaMauryahow do I do that?
21:30:56[Saint]there's two options there, I need to know which you're asking about.
21:31:12AshokaMauryadeleting files with Rockbox
21:31:47[Saint]refer to the manual
21:32:08[Saint]http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-build.html
21:32:16AshokaMauryathanks
21:32:36AshokaMauryaalso, I did try uninstalling Rockbox before
21:32:46AshokaMauryawith the Rockbox Utility, and it didn't work
21:32:58[Saint]you messed it up, then.
21:33:11[Saint]the manual covers this too.
21:33:13AshokaMauryamessed up Rockbox or the Utility?
21:33:22[Saint]the uninstallation.
21:33:34[Saint]it's remarkably trivial.
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22:03:09YpsyHeya, is there a way to remove the sansa-fuze folders (MUSIC etc.) permanently?
22:03:20Ypsyit seems to create them after unplugging the fuze from the pc
22:03:27Ypsymaybe a start script that deletes them?
22:03:36[Saint]the best you can do is mark them as hidden.
22:03:51[Saint]they'll be created every time the OF starts IIRC
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22:17:19Ypsyokies [Saint]
22:17:24Ypsyty
22:18:01[Saint]if you mark them as hidden, they shouldn't show up in the file browser under "supported".
22:18:20[Saint]that's the best way to deal with files the OF will simply recreate.
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22:19:10Ypsycan i mark them as hidden in rockbox itself?
22:19:23[Saint]no.
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22:20:20Ypsywill the wiki teach me how to then? :P
22:21:14[Saint]You can do it easily using windows explorer if you have a windows box handy.
22:22:12Ypsyill try it with wine
22:22:18Ypsyty =)
22:22:38[Saint]I've no idea how to do this using linux magic, sorry
22:22:56Ypsywont be hard^^
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22:35:04pixelmakugel (logs): yes, I thought about where it is used in the lang files - it is all about lcd options, like backlight, scroll speed etc. It still has a bit of a misleading name
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