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#rockbox log for 2011-01-22

00:00:01AlexPIncidentally, where is this years going to be? :)
00:00:17gevaertsAlexP: London, I thought? :)
00:00:29pamauryTorne talked about London no ?
00:00:30AlexPgevaerts: hehe, you never know :)
00:00:39AlexPpamaury: Only as in he can ask
00:00:45gbl08maWhen I say "learned lots of things" I'm thinking on the average-user, without previous programming experience nor idea of how their DAPs work.
00:00:46pamauryand did he ?
00:00:54AlexPI don't know
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00:02:04pixelmaguess not as he isn't even on the right continent currently but I'm only talking about likelihood, of course there are ways to still ask
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00:10:01Buschelsoap: no need to test something. I just want to hear a second opinion if I should submit the patch now. I was holding back due to the playback issues. but these seem not be related to the patch itself
00:10:42soapDo you have any suspects for the playback issues?
00:11:07soapSomewhere I could revert past to truly test the DMA fixing patch?
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00:12:53Buschelsoap: not really. one thing was the DB issue that has been fixed in svn. I could not reproduce any issue on my ipod after recreating the DB...
00:13:26soapI wasn't using the DB when my problem occured.
00:13:49soapSo, with your patch my traditional way of testing (via a quick heating) showed reproduceable problems with SVN, none with you.
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00:14:24soapIssue / fear is that the problem I had after hours and hours into a set seemed similar...
00:14:54soapWorst case is you've made my problem 10x better. Best case is it's cured.
00:15:02Buschelgood enough
00:15:04Buschel:)
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00:22:58gbl08macan someone confirm me a small question? I'm editing the wiki page for the calendar plugin and I'd like to confirm that it's not yet possible to sync the calendar with desktop apps like Outlook or Evolution.
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00:26:08*bertrik is pretty sure that's not possible currently
00:28:28gbl08maok thank you, i'mm save my changes then. I hope I made everything correctly. :)
00:29:23gbl08maerr, "i'll save"
00:32:34gbl08maif the wiki maintainers think that "documentation" for the calendar is enough, they should remove the documentation missing warning... or am i allowed to do that too?
00:32:59CIA-7New commit by 03Buschel (r29106): Fix or at least significantly improve FS #11830. With introduction of ATA DMA for PP502x a special treatment of the IDE0_CFG register for the iPod nano ...
00:33:44AlexPgbl08ma: If you are accurate then you go do as you like :)
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00:35:02sideralgevaerts: I've summarized the autoresume contention points as you requested. Where do you want me to post them −− to the tracker item or to the mailing list?
00:35:56gevaertssideral: I'd say the tracker. Discussion can (and should) be on the mailing list, but for an actual summary of where we stand I think the tracker is better
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00:36:15sideralok!
00:36:23CIA-7r29106 build result: All green
00:36:25AlexPsideral: Perhaps post to list with a link saying you have summarised?
00:36:37sideralAlexP: will do
00:37:07AlexPcoolio
00:38:00AlexPsideral: btw, did you ever get the chance to look if tracks can be added to the db as and when?
00:38:14AlexPI'll love you long time if that is possible :)
00:39:03sideralAlexP: Not yet. But I will, if the autoresume flamewar ever ends. It's consuming all of my available Rockbox-dedicated time right now :/
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00:39:54AlexPsideral: heh, it is good training :)
00:40:33sideralAlexP: for what? I haven't planned on becoming a manager ;)
00:40:55AlexPRockbox development :)
00:41:00gevaertssideral: this is how you learn how to deal with them!
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00:42:04sideralgevaerts: I didn't expect you guys to view yourself in this light ;)
00:42:26AlexPWe know full well that we are contrary bastards :)
00:42:39*gevaerts didn't really participate in the flamewar :)
00:43:05sideralAnyway, I'd have preferred to do some hacking
00:43:10AlexPBut we also tend to think that the difficulty in getting things in tends to mean that they are relatively well though out when they do
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00:47:41gevaertssideral: I'll read through that tomorrow when I have a functional brain
00:48:03sideralThanks gevaerts!
00:50:39sideralOK, summary posted & heads up emailed
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02:50:45ScarabDrownercould I get someone's opinion on fs 11894? I didn't overlook some mention of this anywhere did I?
02:52:55ScarabDrownerI tried to be thorough in my search, but I can't believe I'm the first to notice this
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03:00:13Mr_QueueEvening, I'm having an issue here with an iPod Nana 2G. It quit booting falling back to the screen saying to use iTunes to correct the problem. I can't seem to mount it manually from what I think is called 'disc mode' Any idea on what FS type is there? I tried vfat.
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03:04:55peadarMy sansa clip+ was crashing a lot: read through apps/buffering.c and spotted at least one bug. Anyone around familiar enough to discuss?
03:06:48ScarabDrownerI'm not familiar with the code, but I have a clip+ that has not been experiencing any crashes (so far)
03:07:37peadarI think the problem may be exacerbated by specific formatting in MP4 content - you mostly use MP3?
03:08:37peadarI've data encoded with faac... anyhow: here's the issue:
03:08:49ScarabDrownermp3's, flac, ogg, but no mp4s
03:09:44peadarapps/buffering.c, line 681:
03:10:06peadarThe check for ringbuf_add_cross tests the result for > 0
03:10:31peadarIf it was == 0, then the ring is essentially wrapping, so the test is wrong to start
03:10:32peadarAlso
03:11:05peadarYou dont want to reduce copy_n by overlap, but instead by overlap + 1 to avoid overflowing the ring.
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03:12:00peadarThis code is surrounded by a "FIXME" comment that indicates that this case should not happen, but it does [ I can discuss later why I think it does if anyone cares ]
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03:17:38peadarJust tried obfix: sansa clip seems happy.
03:19:45peadarI'm not sure of the etiquette here with repect to even discussing the names of the album I noticed the problem with, but can give it if its of use. General issue was reproducable by skipping to next track after the first few seconds of audio out. Would generally fall over by track 3, doesn't anymore.
03:23:24ScarabDrownerthe only issue I've had with my clip+ running rockbox is the volume buttons don't change when you change the lcd upside down setting on
03:25:24peadar[ here's the patch I'm running with: http://pastebin.com/1QA4Q9Tq ]
03:27:23peadarHard to see the screen on that yoke when yer running, never mind whether its upside-down or not :-) I'll try that to see if its an obvious fix.
03:29:04ScarabDrownerI like to use a set of headphones with long cables. That way I can wrap the cord around the back of my neck and under the clip, and let the clip+ hang like a necklace
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03:34:26S_a_i_n_tpeadar: thanks for your dilligence, the only thing I can suggest you do is drop your findings on our tracker
03:34:34S_a_i_n_thttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?show_task=
03:35:18peadarOk. will do. It was a bit of a leading question: was interested in discussing the buffering system in general: there's a few other things that don't sit well.
03:35:26peadarI'll log a bug.
03:35:58peadarMeanwhile my clip+ is much more stable skipping back and forth through MP4 tracks
03:36:23S_a_i_n_tTo put it nicely, the buffering system is voodoo.
03:40:14peadarIt's not that bad: there's the odd off-by-one error, and I'm not quite sure of the threading guarantees. Also has a bit of an issue if you seek forward then backward agressively, as you can end up running out of room in the ring. Not totally convinced that a ring is the best way of modelling what's going on, but I'm basing that all on a very cursory look
03:41:28peadar(Not used to dealing with cooperative tasking systems: the idea of taking things for granted outside locks because you haven't slept yet isn't sitting well with me)
03:46:42S_a_i_n_tHmmm...interesting you should say that actually. I have noticed that I can lock up my Nano2Gs in a pretty text-book way by aggressively seeking/skipping back/forward.
03:47:11S_a_i_n_tthe address it coughs on is always bs though when I compare it to the map file
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03:48:21peadarI'd be interested if you can reproduce it with the patch. I have 0 knowledge of rockbox as of last week, so I've not worked out how to map the symbols from the display back to code. I was debugging this through the simulator (which exhibits the same problem with the MP4 corpus in question)
03:50:11S_a_i_n_tAaaahhhh, right. That puts a different spin on it, I had assumed you'd seem thses troubles on target.
03:50:49S_a_i_n_tI'm not too certain how well the sim matches the targets when it comes to simulating playback/buffering.
03:51:07peadarNo, I did, but it was equally reproducable with the sim. I'm not sure how much of the mantle of the device the sim takes on. Suspect the amount of available memory, for example, might be mirrored
03:51:08S_a_i_n_ts/thses/these/
03:53:20peadar(started out with a large collection of mp4 files and a device with firmware that couldn't play them, and the thoughts of going to the attic to fetch all the CDs to rerip in mp3 brought me to rockbox :-))
03:58:08S_a_i_n_t.....argh :/ my bugs are playing leap-frog...I fix one, and another shows up.
03:59:51peadar@ScarabDrowner: are you saying the buttons don't work, or just don't invert?
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04:00:36ScarabDrownerthey work, they just don't invert. when upside down is on, pressing the (now) down volume button increases the volume
04:02:03S_a_i_n_tkugel: (logs) from my experiences here, it seems as though UI touchscreen areas are a *lot* more reliable when drawn in the default viewport, instead of in seperate viewports.
04:03:22Mr_QueueS_a_i_n_t: I have the same problem on my Nano2G. Actually today it didn't boot back up after needing a restart. I had to reinstall via iTunes.
04:06:50peadarThe problem I have is nothing to do with anything UI related. It is timing related, however, so UI interactions may ameliorate or exacerbate the problem to some level.
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04:11:45peadar@ScarabDrowner: Not sure if I agree that inverting the screen should automatically invert the buttons. I suppose for a particular _device_ it might make sense, but it would be dependent on the layout of the buttons. Not sure if that's catered for by the skinning for rockbox. You may know more than I do.
04:12:32ScarabDrownerI doubt it :). I had no clue what that buffering.c was about
04:13:28ScarabDrownerthe main control pad of the clip+ inverts when upside down is turned on, I kinda figured the volume buttons should too
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05:05:42TorneAlexP: i haven't asked, but I will see who is the right person to ask when i get back to london :0
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06:34:17bluefoxxIs there anything going with the iriver H300 series players?
06:34:57bluefoxxNevermind, I'm being stupid apparently. Was looking at the wikipedia artical on them and didn't see anything about rockbox mentioned on them
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08:48:44S_a_i_n_thttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,27060.msg177101.html#msg177101 <−− forum spam
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09:23:56pixelmahmm... make install doesn't create a zip anymore, or am I confusing things? I'm asking because for easier portability I'd like to have the zip, maybe there still is a way to get one...
09:24:14ScarabDrownerwasn't it "make zip"?
09:24:49ScarabDrownerit's posted on the site somewhere, I just gotta look it up
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09:25:11pixelmawell yes, for a target build, I was asking for the simulator (maybe "make zip" still works there, don't know)
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09:26:28ScarabDrownerI'd think it'd be the same
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09:28:10ScarabDrownerhm, the sim page doesn't say anything about it, but I don't think they had portability of the sims in mind when it was written
09:29:02pixelmathere was a change not too long ago in the source, got to look up it up
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09:46:04CIA-7New commit by 03bieber (r29107): Theme Editor: Updated rendering code to accomodate new format for %xd tags, including long names, numerical tile specification, tag-evaluating tile ...
09:49:44CIA-7r29107 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (bieber committed)
09:51:01bieberWhoah, I didn't do that, did I?
09:51:23bieberThe errors seem to be in the WMA codecs
09:51:48pixelmaheh, welcome back
09:52:32bieberThanks
09:52:40bieberHopefully I didn't break anything on my way in
09:53:08S_a_i_n_t...wow, hey o/
09:54:49pixelmalooks more like an error on the build box
09:55:19bieberOkay, cool
09:58:26pixelmathough I don't really see what the problem could be - but you didn't touch any related files
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10:23:36CIA-7New commit by 03jethead71 (r29108): i.MX31: Busy wait for a couple microseconds at most then sleep until next tick when polling drive status. This prevents pointless jumps to overdrive ...
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10:48:19Buschelfrom what I have read in the logs it might be a good hint to solve the playback/buffer freezes
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11:16:35CIA-7New commit by 03Buschel (r29109): Backport r29106 to v3.7 branch. Fixes FS #11830.
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13:31:30*jhMikeS want the most expedient way to create a submenu in the debugging menu
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13:35:24foolshI have a patch for logo.c its trivial but necessary can a developer look at FS #11899 and see if it is up to snuff and commit it?
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14:21:56TheSevenfoolsh: do i understand correctly that if this patch would make any difference at all, we would currently have "duplicate definition" warnings somewhere?
14:22:28foolsh no not the case at all
14:23:30foolshthe keymaps were never defined
14:23:55foolshjust being caught by the defaut one
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14:41:55CIA-7New commit by 03teru (r29110): FS #11819: image viewer: use magick number in file to determine image type.
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17:44:32foolshIf a Developer could look over FS #11898-11899-11900-11901 they are all related to porting to the android. They are basically needed allow most plugins to compile without error for android.
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18:09:29kugelthe rockbox site is slow also, I guess the server's connection is in trouble
18:09:46kugelhm, no, but flyspray is slow
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19:30:26CIA-7New commit by 03jethead71 (r29115): Better boost calculation for multifrequency CPUs. Frequencies between minimum and maximum count as fractional boost.
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19:35:15dionoeakugel: hi. I have a working poc for a rockbock control widget in android. Do I just commit it to svn or would you rather have a look at it first ?
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19:35:30dionoeathat was a weird typo :)
19:35:37kugelpoc?
19:35:43dionoeaproof of concept
19:36:34kugelI'd prefer if you put it on fs first
19:36:39dionoeaok
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21:39:16ScarabDrownercould I get someone's opinion on FS #11894?
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23:07:28dionoeaDoes rockbox have an event which triggers on play/pause switches ?
23:08:30dionoeareading the source it doesn't look like such a thing exists ... but you never know
23:15:42dionoeaah looks like the RockboxPCM class (android port) exposes that info.
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23:24:44sideralScarabDrowner: Re FS #11894 (Upside Down doesn't remap volume keys): Looks like you have a point. I could reproduce this on my ClipV2.
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