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#rockbox log for 2011-01-25

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02:23:17quemseems like the flash memory of my 1st-gen ipod nano is reaching the end of its life....
02:24:17quemso what new player do i buy?
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07:10:01JesusRiveraCan Anyone Tell Me How To Use Flashsplit.c?
07:11:06krazykitthere's a readme in utils/ipod/flashsplit
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07:15:20JesusRiverathanks...but i cant access it
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15:31:53sideralCould someone please correct the metadata of this tracker item? FS #11880 −− I forgot to set task type = patch and category = build environment.
15:32:04sideral Or better yet, just commit the patch?
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15:36:16jhMikeSsideral: metadata updated, don't know enough to commit though
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15:37:22sideralthanks jhMikeS!
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16:36:51Toastbreadhi
16:38:33Toastbread2any devs in here?
16:38:37Toastbread-2
16:39:15krazykitdo you have a question?
16:39:52Toastbreadno
16:39:55Toastbreadnot really
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16:41:06ToastbreadI just wanted to ask if somebody has the time and the delight to develop a new rockbox port
16:41:38Toastbreadfor the intenso video cruiser in particular
16:41:53gevaertsSome people do have the time to develop a new port, but they usually pick players *they* like
16:42:39gevaertsThe vast majority of ports has been done by people who own the device and want rockbox on it (in that order)
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16:43:32Toastbreadyeah
16:43:37Toastbreadguessed that
16:44:22Toastbreadhopefully someone will do it for my player :D
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16:46:34gevaertsIf you can't do it yourself, your best option is probably to find other owners of the device (maybe there's a forum dedicated to it somewhere?), and hope that one of them can do it. Asking here isn't a crime of course, but you'll probably find that all active developers already have pretty long todo lists and don't really want to add a port to a device they don't already own to it
16:47:18ToastbreadI can understand that.
16:47:30ToastbreadLet's seek a forum!
16:48:01Toastbread(this way was just quicker, I could've had luck with asking)
16:48:51gevaertsYou may want to have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort to have some sort of idea of what's usually required
16:49:00Toastbreadty
16:50:45Toastbread:O I definatly won't cut open my new bought player
16:51:42gevaertsQuite often there are some screws, or some clips that allow to do this without destroying anything :)
16:51:57Toastbreadnah, not this one
16:52:05Toastbreadit's like an ipod
16:52:38krazykitmost of which could be opened with what, a guitar pick?
16:52:39Toastbreadshiny back, glued hard onto its surface
16:54:29Toastbreadthere is some little hole on the side, the size of a toothpick approx...
16:54:33Toastbreadbrb
16:55:20Toastbreadtr
16:55:22Toastbread*re
16:57:24Toastbreadhmm
16:57:28Toastbreadit won't open D:
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17:04:36kugelsideral: does that patch mean we get something like r29000M-21fd21 (or even longer)?
17:07:45sideralkugel: more like r29000-21fd21M :) but not longer
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17:09:06sideralif you don't have local commits (plain SVN checkout), it's just r29000. if you don't have uncommitted modifications, there's no "M".
17:10:11sideralI found this info to be quite helpful when I juggled multiple branches during debugging.
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17:17:23kugelsideral: IIRC you're not the first with that idea but most of us didn't like it back then
17:18:04sideralit has already been implemented for bzr-tracked repos. this patch does the same thing for git
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17:18:34kugelI think only one guy uses bzt, so he's lucky nobody noticed it so far :)
17:19:11kugelI don't feel strong though, as long as it shows that modifications happened I don't care in which way
17:19:52sideralan alternative would be a hook in the script which would allow a developer to set his own version string, but this seems more uniform
17:20:25kugelFS #9758
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17:23:37sideralkugel: thanks for the pointer. As the git ID would only ever be seen by a developer with local git commits, I don't see how this could confuse users.
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17:29:18*sideral needs to leave in 5 min Anyway, thanks for the feedback, kugel!
17:29:28kugelyou're welcome
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17:33:57sideralmaybe I should ask that bzr guy to commit this for me *cough*Torne*cough
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18:18:23CIA-102New commit by 03jethead71 (r29135): MPEGPlayer: Account for drivers that pass pointers to their internal state variables to the audio callback.
18:21:00CIA-102New commit by 03moos (r29136): Update the chinese-simp translation. ...
18:22:00CIA-102r29135 build result: All green
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18:22:45CIA-102New commit by 03moos (r29137): Update the russian translation. ...
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18:25:28CIA-102r29136 build result: All green
18:26:53pixelmamoos: (didn't check) - are the two in CREDITS yet?
18:28:11moosI did check since I don't have the habbit to blind commit, they are :)
18:28:48CIA-102r29137 build result: All green
18:29:14pixelmaok :)
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18:49:46LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Ping
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18:56:37LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: (for the logs) now that we have Bootloader USB mode for PP targets, which makes the install process on the SA9200 much, much easier, do you think we should roll a v1.0 bootloader for it and get it pushed to Unstable?
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19:00:17jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: yeah, bl seems to work well so, yeah :)
19:00:48jhMikeSanything else you think it needs?
19:01:00LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Just that friendly push up the ladder. :)
19:01:30LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Well, one thing I'm going to do is redo a couple of the plugin keymaps so that everything isn't so bunched up on the touchpad.
19:02:19LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Ahh, and one other thing I've noticed but not super important... pacbox on the SA9x00 has garbage graphics in the bottom 5 rows or so on the LCD display.
19:02:40LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Other than that, everything's gravy for the port.
19:02:42jhMikeSfor alot of things, I rather use |<< and >>| over < and >, for left and right in plugins
19:02:59LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: That's what I'm going to fix. :)
19:03:10jhMikeSok, good then :)
19:04:39jhMikeSoh, and the pacbox, yes did notice. I haven't looked deeper though. Seems to also get garbage on the top row if sound is on.
19:05:06LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: I haven't tried with sound on. Will do so now.
19:08:22LambdaCalculus37Don't see garbage on mine.
19:09:06jhMikeSit's only if it's actually making noise
19:10:35LambdaCalculus37Now I see it.
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19:12:36UnconventionalTIf the iPod Video and the iPod classic have the same screen sizes, why would a theme work on one, but not the other?
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19:14:41jhMikeSI think it's cause YCLIP turns out negative
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19:19:17UnconventionalTjhMikeS, Would I have to modify the theme to remove this problem? Because the problem does exist in the wps, but not the sbs as much...
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19:22:55jhMikeSUnconventionalT: sorry, that was @LambdaCalculus37
19:23:26UnconventionalTjhMikeS, Right. :D
19:26:54LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Is that an easy fix?
19:28:15jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: looks to be, doing it now
19:28:28LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Coolio. :)
19:29:29LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: I'll tag a v1.0 bootloader tonight for the SA9200.
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19:48:35deltHello
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19:48:56delton sandisk e200, in A-B repeat mode, how do i set A and B points?
19:50:43deltah got it (nice case of rtfm :D )
19:51:20foolsh_FS #11903 should be crushed for good now. Anyone here that can test it on an android with nav ball or one thats touch only.
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19:52:37kugelfoolsh_: that queue_post() is most likely wrong
19:52:57kugelthere's a timer tick task that polls the buttons every 10ms
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19:54:14kugelfoolsh_: what kind of trackball do you have? I have a optical one, and I can hardly imagine button repeats could work on it
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19:55:20foolsh_I'm not reading ticks I call event.startTracking(); reference - http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/KeyEvent.Callback.html
19:56:08foolsh_opps http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/KeyEvent.html#startTracking%28%29
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19:56:20kugelrockbox has a timer for it
19:56:57kugelfirmware/drivers/button.c
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20:00:23kugelstartTracking() is not available in android below 2.0, but I'm not sure if it's a problem
20:00:29kugelwe run on 1.5+ currently
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20:00:56delt*sigh* white screen "Data abort" while trying to set the "A" repeat point :/
20:01:38foolsh_Back to the drawing board then ;)
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20:02:00deltoh, and how come the a-b points disappear when the screen goes blank?
20:03:00jhMikeSif the screen is blank, how could there be a-b points on it?
20:03:13deltoh, noticed that before it just hanged
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20:03:34deltjust unscrewed the back, removed & put back the battery...
20:05:08gevaertsdelt: why don't you just force reset it?
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20:05:20delti have to learn this before 7 pm .... no time to screw around with rockbox versions updates etc etc..
20:05:24deltgevaerts: how?
20:05:33gevaertshold power for a while
20:06:04delttried, didn't work... define "while"
20:06:29jhMikeSwhile: an unspecified duration
20:06:34gevaerts30 seconds or more
20:08:09deltoh, got it... hangs in A-B repeat mode when you rewind and reach the beginning of the file
20:10:54kugelfoolsh_: can you describe the problem a bit more?
20:11:07kugelI don't think I understood *what* needs fixing
20:11:11deltanyway, thanks
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20:15:21foolsh_the problem is that you don't get a keyevent on first pressing the key down its not until it is released that anything is happens a long key press just turns into one key press
20:16:59foolsh_the work is around in button-application.c try removing that and nothing gets through
20:19:18kugelare we talking about pressing the trackball or directional buttons here?
20:19:37foolsh_buttons
20:20:01kugeldirectional "buttons"?
20:20:41kugelI have a hard time to imagine how one could ever do a long "press" on my optical trackpad
20:20:55foolsh_sorry yes directional buttons
20:21:04kugelor trackball or whatever this thing is called
20:21:33kugeli notice no problems with the directional part of it here
20:23:24foolsh_should Flash 1.5 onto my tilt and see it's an api thing?
20:23:45foolsh_running 2.3
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20:26:14kugelthe docs say it needs api level 5+, which is 2.0
20:26:23kugelno need to flash 1.5 I'd say
20:28:12foolsh_I meant to check a svn build against 1.5 and see if it has the same issue
20:28:43CIA-102New commit by 03jethead71 (r29138): Pacbox: Fix assumption about LCD width of 128 implying the display needs vertical clipping. No more screen garbage on sa9200.
20:29:06thomasjfoxhey kugel
20:29:12kugelfoolsh_: I'm running 2.3 as well
20:29:17kugelfoolsh_: what device do you have?
20:29:23thomasjfoxI discovered something about the ASSEMBLER_THREADS crash
20:29:44thomasjfoxIt's related to optimizer
20:29:47foolsh_kaiser tilt
20:29:57kugelcool, although I was about to say asm threads are not that important at all
20:30:20thomasjfoxIf I compile with -O0, it works fine (testing since sunday)
20:30:25thomasjfox-O1 kills it
20:30:44thomasjfoxI tried to look up all the switches that get enabled by -O1 and added them manually to the gcc command line
20:30:49kugelfoolsh_: oh I see; well this is an unusual device
20:31:01kugelnormal android phones don't have this kind of dpad
20:31:01thomasjfoxIt didn't crash
20:31:29kugel-O* also enable optimizations that don't have a switch on their own
20:31:43CIA-102r29138 build result: All green
20:31:55thomasjfoxGuess something like that
20:32:04thomasjfoxI wanted to look at the gcc source once I find some time for it
20:32:24kugelit's probably a gcc bug, and I suggest not wasting more time on it :)
20:32:30thomasjfoxWithout optimizations, ASSEMBLER_THREADS runs about 3%-5% slower than sigaltstack :)
20:32:32thomasjfoxok
20:33:05foolsh_kugel: I was thinking it should handle the key presses no differently than the back or menu keys
20:33:06thomasjfoxsigaltstack is fine with me
20:33:16kugelit doesn't really matter since the asm threads essentially just inline long/setjmp which sigaltstack uses
20:33:46thomasjfoxExactly
20:34:24kugelfoolsh_: the problem is, though, that usually you have a ball/optical sensor which you don't press. you just slide over those and this makes long press actually impossible
20:35:10kugelif there's a way it works good for both kinds then great, but if your patch makes it worse (I haven't tried it) for the normal devices I'm afraid we can't accept it
20:35:58kugeldoes android at least report KEY_DOWN/KEY_UP accordingly?
20:36:05kugelor correctly
20:36:33kugelthomasjfox: what gcc do you use for maemo again?
20:36:40thomasjfoxkugel: 4.2.1
20:36:55thomasjfoxat least for maemo 5
20:37:20kugelI seem to remember we had problems with 4.1.x or 4.2.x but I'm not sure
20:37:33thomasjfoxwhich one do you use on android?
20:37:44kugelbut there was a reason we switched from 4.0.1 to 4.4.4 without the versions between
20:37:53kugel4.4.3, as provided by the ndk
20:38:00thomasjfoxquite new :)
20:38:43pixelmakugel: should there really be assumptions in the code about "normal" android phones?
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20:39:02pixelmamine doesn't have a ball or sensor either
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20:39:20pixelmaback and menu buttons are there though and seem to work
20:39:23foolsh_kugel: Is the optical trackball some what like the soft buttons at some screen edges?
20:39:32kugelthomasjfox: the 4.4 series is almost 2 years old
20:40:10kugelfoolsh_: it's like a physical trackball, just with an optical sensor
20:40:13thomasjfoxkugel: 4.4.3 is still from 2010 ;)
20:40:27kugel4.4.0 from the older ndk worked just as well :)
20:41:03foolsh_so if scroll up it returns up up up up up up right?
20:41:04kugelthe even older ndk used 4.2.1 too, and the changelog mentions 4.4.x has significat improvements over 4.2
20:41:17kugelfoolsh_: exactly
20:41:33foolsh_ok I'll go back and see what I can dig up
20:41:41kugelbut you also need to move your finger over it so it makes sense
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20:42:05foolsh_kugel: like a mouse upside down
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20:42:20foolsh_optical mouse that is
20:42:28kugelexactly
20:42:50kugelthe physical trackball is also like a mouse upside down, just a mouse with ball :)
20:43:17sladeHey everybody I have a short question on my port for the R0, I am currently looking at my Linux Kernel sources and I have no Samsung proprietory source code concerning the drivers. Is it possible to use the linux kernel drivers for the rockbox port (of course I would need to use the include files as well)
20:43:21kugelpixelma: no, but we shouldn't prioritize hacked winmo phones over real android ones
20:44:14foolsh_would the trackball still return up up up up up when scrolling up?
20:44:27kugelyes
20:44:29pixelmamine's a "real" android one, there can be hardware differences - see search button discussion
20:45:17kugelhis patch (if I understood it correctly) makes the assumption that the dpad is a proper button, which would break all android phones with trackballs
20:45:30kugelthis of course doesn't matter if there's no dpad/trackball at all ;)
20:47:24pixelmamy statement wasn't about the patch in detail, more about your "normal android phones have this or that" in the discussion here. Of course, if there are better ways to do what the patch does it should be done. I was just bothered by your assumption
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20:48:11kugelwhat assumption?
20:48:50pixelmaabout all android phones have a trackball/sensor
20:49:07kugelI didn't assume that, I know that's not true
20:50:18foolsh_It would be nice if android has a is.scrolling flag some where
20:51:27kugelfoolsh_: so on your device there's only one press in the dpad direction no matter how long you hold the button?
20:52:09foolsh_kugel: the press does not come through until the key is released
20:52:17kugelah right
20:52:22kugelI'd expect that to be a problem in virtually all apps
20:52:35foolsh_yeah
20:52:58kugelmay I suggest that your device port should be fixed instead?
20:53:13kugelokay, "fixed", this is really an android limitation I suppose
20:53:24foolsh_Certainly do tell
20:55:31foolsh_so the trackballs and optical trackers send BUTTON_DPAD_UP|BUTTON_REL for every tick of the balls gpio when you scroll?
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20:57:42kugelyea
20:59:12kugelyou could simulate repeats if the trackpad KEY_UPs comes in short intervals but I think that's not what happens on my phone
20:59:41kugelbut that would still be no help on your device I think
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21:00:48foolsh_should I try to separate Aaapp into two different ports? Dpad and track/optical ball. touch only could probably run either one.
21:02:01foolsh_probably easier
21:04:11amee2khow do you trigger the shutdown again? device is an ipod mini
21:06:24kugelthomasjfox: how's your progress otherwise?
21:07:14thomasjfoxkugel: Currently looking into bluetooth headset support
21:07:44thomasjfoxIt's a pita the get the button presses from dbus
21:08:23*kugel would like to know how to work with bt headsets on android
21:08:45*foolsh_ concurs
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21:09:55thomasjfoxkugel: On maemo they end up here: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_logicaldev_input_1
21:10:18thomasjfoxThe "_1" is hardcoded in some applications. Somehow I believe this is more of a hack...
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21:14:27foolsh_kugel: I have an idea I think the track ball sends BUTTON_*|BUTTON_REL from onKeyDown(). I could see about sending that from onKeyUp() and I might be able to call onKeyLongPress() and try some hacks to work around this.
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21:17:15foolsh_Thats if scrolling the ball sends a onKeyUp which it should
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21:18:33kugelI don't know for sure but it probably does, perhaps even both KEY_DOWN and KEY_UP immediately after another
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21:44:42kugelthomasjfox: I hope we can put some of your work into svn soon'ish
21:44:54thomasjfoxkugel: Me too
21:45:08thomasjfoxkugel: Let me split up the sim_cc() stuff into maemocc()
21:45:29thomasjfoxI'll then prepare a minimal patch with just the PLATFORM_MAEMO stuff
21:45:36thomasjfoxMaybe even without the gstreamer backend?
21:46:03kugeldid you get pulseaudio to work?
21:46:11thomasjfoxDidn't try yet
21:46:23thomasjfoxBut I'm condifent it won't be that hard
21:47:10thomasjfoxkugel: Which reminds me of one commit which I need a comment on. Hold on a sec
21:48:00kugelI would like too see pulseaudio working (if it has the "promised" advantages, unifying n8xx&n900, getting rid of the feed_data() workaround, perhaps less cpu usage) but OTOH it's not that critical is it?
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21:49:06thomasjfoxkugel: It works fine without a hickup for days (using sigaltstack)
21:49:29kugelgreat
21:49:43thomasjfoxkugel: http://repo.or.cz/w/maemo-rb.git/commit/14e8ab28d374b5ee748dbef362995764683abec8
21:49:46kugelI'm still wondering about the "german keyboard hack"
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21:50:28thomasjfoxkugel: Maybe I should rename it to "german keyboard support" :o)
21:50:42thomasjfoxkugel: Do you know the german keyboard layout of the n900?
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21:51:51kugelnot realy
21:53:43thomasjfoxkugel: They decided to share the up/down buttons with the left/right buttons to squeeze in some umlaut keys
21:54:11thomasjfoxkugel: So pressing ALT+LEFT gives you DOWN, ALT+RIGHT gives you UP
21:55:44kugelthat doesn't happen transparently for apps?
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21:56:09thomasjfoxApparently not for SDL :((
21:56:28thomasjfoxThe preinstalled "tetris" like game doesn't work properly either
21:56:37kugelabout your commit; it should have picked the file in $(HOME)/.config/rockbox.org just because it exists
21:57:22kugelbut I think your patch should be fine
21:58:09thomasjfoxkugel: There was something going wrong with that magic. It never deleted the database-to-commit-on-next-run file
21:58:40thomasjfoxLet me have a look at the code again
21:59:24kugeldoes it rename perhaps? I could imagine it tries to rename from $HOME/.config/rockbox.org to /.rockbox (if the target doesn't exist)
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22:00:11thomasjfoxkugel: I just remember it started looking in the wrong folder. Doesn't happen for android builds as they have a special case with the sdcard. I was able to reproduce it with a SDL build, too.
22:05:05thomasjfoxkugel: I think I got it again: IS_FILE isn't set by app_remove() so the first try_path($HOME/.config/rockbox.org/xyz) fails as the database-commit-file is obviously not a directory. It then tries again in the non-writable share/rockbox directory.
22:06:23thomasjfoxkugel: Same is true for app_rename() though we can't use IS_FILE there. NEED_WRITE is the correct solution as these are all write operations.
22:07:05kugelindeed
22:07:48thomasjfoxSo we just need a better commit message for this one ;)
22:07:56kugelyea :)
22:09:47*pixelma wonders where support for some keys on the numpad for the sims has gone
22:11:24pixelmae.g. in a c200 sim 3 (menu/power), 7 & 9 (volume down & up) don't seem to do anything anymore, only the arrow keys (and their numerical equivalents 2, 4, 6, 8) seem to work still
22:11:43thomasjfoxkugel: Care to write one while committing or should I write one?
22:11:48pixelmaoh, 5 (select) also works
22:12:07kugelthomasjfox: I would be happy if you do it :)
22:12:22thomasjfoxkugel: Ok, I'll queue it up as the next task
22:12:55kugeloptimally you just give me something to cherry-pick so that I only need to dcommit :P
22:14:11thomasjfoxkugel: I'll generate you a git format-patch file. So you just need to run "git am FILENAME"
22:14:43kugelfine as well
22:15:40thomasjfoxamiconn, gevaerts: Does anyone of you have a bluetooth headset connected to the n900?
22:15:52*gevaerts doesn't
22:16:04*amiconn neither
22:16:08thomasjfoxcrap :)
22:16:37*amiconn doesn't even have a bluetooth headset, but he does have a bluetooth handsfree in his car
22:16:41thomasjfoxGuess I'll try it in the car tomorrow
22:16:50thomasjfoxhehe, same idea here
22:17:27amiconnI could also try bluetooth audio to the PC. This worked with my old dumbphone - didn't try it yet with the N900
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22:18:10*amiconn would at first need to know how install rockbox on the N900 though
22:18:34thomasjfoxamiconn: That's easy: http://wiki.maemo.org/Rockbox
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22:20:41amiconnHmm. Would have been easier to find (for me at least) if it were in the rockbox wiki
22:21:49*amiconn thinks that we need manuals for the raaa ports
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22:22:33amiconnThey probably need to be somewhat generic, because the application usually runs on more than one device
22:22:33thomasjfoxamiconn: I didn't put it in rockbox's wiki as the code is not upstream yet
22:23:17Torneplease put it in our wiki anyway
22:23:21Torne:)
22:23:30Torneyou cna put a note saying it's not committed
22:24:02*amiconn also needs to put some music on his n900
22:25:41amiconnHmm, battery: 15%? It's fully charged...
22:26:05n1sshould the app even have a battery meter?
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22:27:19amiconnWhy is there an 'android' folder in the 'rockbox' folder?
22:27:51thomasjfoxamiconn: Do you get a 15% batttery readout on the n900?
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22:28:41amiconnIn rockbox, yes
22:29:04amiconnAlso, the 'rockbox' folder in /home/user seems to contain the complete source?!
22:29:17thomasjfoxamiconn: Please do this as root: "lshal -u /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/bme |grep percent"
22:29:20amiconnEh, sorry, just confused myself
22:31:14amiconnbattery.charge_level.percentage = 15 (0xf) (int)
22:31:35thomasjfoxhmm. So HAL really thinks the battery is 15%
22:31:59amiconnBut the battery symbol in the n900 status bar shows full charge. The multicolour led does too when the display is off
22:32:02amiconnAnd it'
22:32:14amiconns still connected to the charger...
22:32:26thomasjfoxah!
22:32:51thomasjfoxThe percentage value isn't updated correctly IIRC when the charger is connected
22:33:08thomasjfoxIIRC it's the last state before you plugged in the charger
22:33:20amiconnHmm. Battery-eye says the charge was 15% before I started charging it
22:33:30thomasjfoxDisconnect it and try the lshal command again
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22:34:08*thomasjfox got a confusing message from the rockbox wiki during registration about being suspicious
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22:34:26AlexPthomasjfox: ignore that
22:34:43AlexPthomasjfox: I and others get that too for no apparent reason
22:34:48thomasjfoxAlexP: Well, it didn't send out a confirmation email yet
22:34:56AlexPhopefully you get it
22:35:09AlexPAs it seems to have been being weird about that too
22:35:18pixelmayou're like the third or fourth to tell that here
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22:36:23amiconnthomasjfox: Now I get 88%
22:36:31thomasjfoxNice welcome message :)
22:36:41AlexPthomasjfox: Yes, you need to confirmation email, then someone here needs to give you access
22:36:48AlexPThe sign up page tells you this :)
22:36:54*amiconn wonders how to get to the main menu from the wps
22:37:41thomasjfoxamiconn: Click the rockbox logo on the bottom-left and the navigate your way up from the "files" dialog. That's how I do it...
22:38:12thomasjfoxAlexP: Yes. That mail just didn't arrive yet...
22:38:14amiconnThere has to be a direct way. On actual devices there is...
22:38:39AlexPthomasjfox: The wiki seems to be a bit buggered at the moment
22:38:49*AlexP summons zagor
22:38:56thomasjfoxamiconn: Something is still wrong with the theme. [Saint] hinted the touchscreen areas are overlaping
22:39:41thomasjfoxThere's a reason why the port is just in extras-devel ;)
22:40:58CIA-102New commit by 03Buschel (r29139): Remove WPS related variable which is read but not set or changed. Closes FS #11396.
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22:42:26thomasjfoxAlexp: I tried registering again and the wiki told me I'm already registered. I guess the confirmation email is stuck somewhere/lost
22:42:49AlexPthomasjfox: yes, that seems to be happening recently :/
22:43:09AlexPthomasjfox: If you see zagor on, prod him, I'll try to too
22:43:19thomasjfoxSo I have a good excuse for Torne why I can't add the maemo port to the wiki :)
22:43:29AlexPyep :)
22:44:15CIA-102r29139 build result: All green
22:45:31amiconnthomasjfox: Playing through bluetooth audio just works
22:45:53amiconnI'm not sure which profile it's actually using
22:46:16thomasjfoxamiconn: So you send the audio signal from the n900 to your PC, right?
22:46:21amiconnI just connected the n900 to my (win 7) laptop, and it started redirecting default audio
22:46:27amiconnyes
22:46:30thomasjfoxnice
22:46:46amiconnWorks for the default media play as well as for rockbox
22:46:51amiconn*media player
22:47:54thomasjfoxNice one. Another feature: Try calling your n900 while rockbox is playing. It will stop playback.
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22:48:18amiconnRockbox also stopped when I started playback in "the other" media player
22:48:31amiconn(complete with a yellow popup)
22:49:02foolsh_kugel: I have a roughed in idea you want to look it over it junk right now but the concept is there
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22:49:49thomasjfoxamiconn: perfect
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22:50:42amiconnCalling it works too
22:51:00thomasjfoxamiconn: CPU usage will drop significantly if you push rockbox into background (CTRL+BACKSPACE) or lock the screen
22:52:06amiconnHmm, touch regions aren't the only bug in the wps
22:52:28amiconnNext track info is also buggy - it's shown even if there is no next track
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22:52:41*amiconn summons the wps specialists
22:53:36[Saint].....just got up, but....."yes?"
22:53:51Strife89amiconn: Or it may show the wrong track if the user adjusts the dynamic playlist.
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22:54:33thomasjfoxThe wps file can be found here: http://repo.or.cz/w/maemo-rb.git/blob/ac1e2c09c0e479bc69130c9760df009c965cca1c:/wps/cabbiev2.800x480x16.wps
22:57:22amiconnWhat doesn't work with rockbox but with the standard media player when playing thorugh usb audio is conrolling the device (i.e. rockbox) from the PC
22:58:57amiconnWhen the N900 is connected, Win7 shows a little mediaplayer like window with some buttons: Play/Pause, Stop, Skip back and Skip forward
22:58:58thomasjfoxamiconn: Can you run "lshal -m" while doing this. This should show button "events"
22:59:16thomasjfoxamiconn: Ah, that might be the "bluetooth" support I just implemented
22:59:27thomasjfoxI bet they end up at the same hal device
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23:02:33amiconnhttp://pastebin.de/14201
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23:03:37thomasjfoxamiconn: Do you want to try a new rockbox binary I just built? It should exactly support this.
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23:06:02[Saint]whatever the viewport on the bottom left is, %V(166,395,160,75,-), oh... ff/rw slightly overlaps the progressbar, but that's no biggie.
23:06:34[Saint]I noticed with my theme that it behaved a million times beter with non-viewport relative touch areas.
23:07:50[Saint]ie. if the touch area isn't conditional, define it in the fullscreen viewport in one lump at the start of the theme. that made my theme behave a whole lot nicer for some reason.
23:08:15[Saint]I can't see anything obviously wrong with the theme though.
23:09:00thomasjfox[Saint] The ff button is messed up: It always brings up the context menu
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23:13:02[Saint]Unfortunately, I can't actually tell for sure if there are overlapping touch areas because the theme editor is an idiot and doesn't understand viewport relative touch areas.
23:15:28[Saint]it will take some while to convert them to screen relative positions to be sure they're not overlapping.
23:15:40[Saint]I will do so, for now...I need coffee.
23:15:45thomasjfoxhehe
23:16:09thomasjfoxI'll have to leave, it's way too late already
23:16:51*thomasjfox wonders why he -always- spends more time with rockbox than he had originally planned
23:17:03[Saint]pm me an email address if you want, and I'll send you my results after I've had a play around.
23:17:14thomasjfoxok, thanks!
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23:32:41n1sah, http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/01/google-summer-of-code-announced-at-lca.html
23:33:47n1sorg application deadline on march 11, applications accepted from feb 28
23:34:09n1swho can edit that rockbox calendar?
23:34:11Bagderwe need a really good page with project ideas then
23:34:26gevaertsn1s: I can
23:34:30gevaertsAnd AlexP
23:34:50n1sgevaerts: cool, could either of you add that deadline date maybe?
23:34:59n1sBagder: indeed
23:35:08gevaertsActually, I'd say we also need something like download stats, so we can guess at some number of users
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23:37:05wodzDo we have some brilliant ideas for Gsoc written down somewhere?
23:37:11gevaertsno :)
23:37:23gevaertsWell, we have some ideas written down somewhere
23:37:38n1sprobably what's left over from previous years
23:38:26n1swe have plenty of time to come up with ideas though
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23:38:42gevaertsyes and no
23:38:45wodz2 months is not that much time
23:39:45gevaertsIt's about six weeks or so, but if we don't have a decent set of ideas at least two weeks for the deadline, having things nicely fleshed out and well presented isn't easy
23:40:42gevaertsLast year's ideas are at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SummerOfCode2010
23:41:03[Saint]it'd be nice if someone picked up the TTS again.
23:41:17wodzWho is responsible for themesite? I think it would be nice to add comments for themes.
23:41:31gevaertswodz: you are :)
23:41:34gevaerts(now)
23:42:07gevaertsSeriously though, JdGordon did experiment a bit with themesite<->forum interaction for that
23:42:27wodzTTS is rather hard topic
23:42:52gevaerts[Saint]: yes, but we also know that the last thing we heard last year was basically "This is a lot harder than expected"
23:42:58[Saint]gevaerts: wow...that's right, I'd forgotten about that.
23:43:05wodzI think it is unrealistic to port some TTS engine to rockbox without first allow for mallocs
23:43:12[Saint](re: themesite <-> forum)
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23:44:31[Saint]I don't think it "absolutely couldn't be done", I just think the right person needs to pick it up.
23:44:57gevaertsThat's true, but recognising the right person also isn't really easy
23:45:06[Saint]correct.
23:45:12*gevaerts is a pessimist at heart of course
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23:48:31gevaertsBagder, scorche: maybe one way of counting installs would be to correlate numbers from the script that provides build data to rbutil and the script that provides theme info to rbutil?
23:49:01Bagderright, that should be trivial to extract
23:50:11wodzI would add to the wishlist developing of the free, interactive dissasembler on top of objdump (or on top of library which it uses)
23:50:38JdGordon|wodz: if you know php then the themesite<->forum integration can get finished :)
23:50:50JdGordon|I got as far as making the code to be able to start a forum thread
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23:51:12wodzJdGordon|: fortunately I don't know php :-)
23:51:24JdGordon|bah! :)
23:52:25gevaertsI do think that providing some sort of usage stats would be very useful for things like gsoc. I do get the impression that many people assume that we have something like a few hundred users or so
23:52:50wodzJdGordon|: refreshing my perl knowledge in FS #11893 is more than enough for me :-)
23:53:24wodzgevaerts: and how many users do we have actually?
23:53:31gevaertswodz: more than that :)
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23:54:39Bagderfrom Jan 16 - 23
23:54:45Bagderany guess how many rbutils that downloaded data?
23:54:56Bagderunique IPs
23:55:27gevaertswodz: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/05/15/rockbox-downloads-april-2008/ are the most recent real download numbers we have, but take into account that we didn't have releases back then so it's possible that people updated daily
23:55:38gevaertsBagder: 12357
23:55:49Bagder47091
23:56:06gevaertswow
23:56:20BagderI'll check the week before to compare
23:56:31Bagder48099
23:56:56Bagderhm
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23:57:00Bagderwait, I did it wrong
23:57:09[Saint]that's unique IPs?
23:57:16[Saint]...wow
23:57:17Bagderno, I messed up
23:57:20[Saint]ah.
23:57:30Bagderthat's probably all visitors on the site =)
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23:57:49pixelmafrom a look at some of the sim keymaps it seems the "problematic" buttons are ones that only define one key in the switch - may be coincidence though, I really don't know where to look / what to look for :/
23:57:53gevaertsThat's basically downloaded whenever someone runs rbutil and checks if they can possibly install rockbox, right?
23:58:02gevaerts(well, the corrected number will be...)
23:58:48wodznice topic for Gsoc would be to adapt clang to build for new arms and see how this compares to gcc

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