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#rockbox log for 2011-01-26

00:00:03*kugel wonders if he should try to take part again (if rockbox gets accepted)
00:00:59Bagderdamn, the correct numbers are far from that thrilling
00:01:01kugelI'd have an internship in the second half, but OTOH no uni in this time
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00:01:43gevaertsBagder: 187?
00:01:44Bagderon average it seems to be ~280 per week
00:02:47wodzso hundreds of users is not that far from reality
00:03:28Bagderwell, 280 per week runs rbutil that fetches stuff from rockbox.org, I would expect that most users don't do that too often
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00:04:26Bagderif we want download stats, we could in fact change the round-robin DNS for a while to include our server and check the stats for a week or two
00:04:34JdGordon|is it gsoc planning time again already?
00:04:52gevaertsI'd also expect more installs just after a release these days
00:05:03Bagderindeed
00:05:08Bagderhttp://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/timeline
00:05:22gevaertsi.e. I'd expect people who install between releases to be mostly new users
00:05:43wodzprobably
00:06:21gevaertsWe're planning 3.8 at the end of February. That means that if we manage to get some decent stats set up, we could get the number of 3.8 installs during the first week
00:06:30gevaertsIn time for gsoc I mean
00:06:51gevaertsAnd unless things go wrong with the release schedule
00:06:57Bagderand just about all releases of rbutil seems to be used
00:07:11Bagder1.1, 1.2, 1.2.1, 1.2.2, 1.2.5, 1.2.6, 1.2.7, 1.2.8 ...
00:08:29Bagderthe top list of rbutil versions used last week:
00:08:31JdGordon|are we doing another point release?
00:08:33Bagder 327 "rbutil/1.2.8"
00:08:34Bagder 228 "rbutil/m1.0.7"
00:08:34Bagder 88 "rbutil/1.2.6"
00:08:46Bagder 65 "rbutil/m1.0.9"
00:08:46Bagder 46 "rbutil/1.2.2"
00:09:57gevaertsBagder: that's not per unique IP then I guess?
00:10:13gevaertsJdGordon|: if needed
00:10:21Bagderno, that's just rbutil/ strings in user-agent fields used in requests
00:10:33Bagderall requests with that agent
00:10:45*gevaerts nods
00:11:07gevaertsI'd be surprised if anything pre-1.2.0 actually still does something useful at all
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00:12:56Bagderbuild.rockbox.org gets 50K unique visitors/month
00:13:22gevaertsThat's just us devs refreshing the build status page though :)
00:13:39Bagderwww.rockbox.org gets 150-170K unique visitors/month
00:14:18Bagderas a comparison that doesn't mean anything, curl.haxx.se gets less
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00:16:43gevaertsI'd say there are two main arguments to say rockbox is quite widespread. (a) If you go to open source related meetings (LUGs, fosdem,...), you're quite likely to meet some rockbox users, and (b) the wikipedia page on rockbox is not marked as not notable enough.
00:17:40gevaertsOh, and there's anecdotal evidence that rockbox users have met unexpectedly outside any tech setting
00:18:00Bagderhearsay your honor!
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00:19:09gevaertsYes, I did hear it said!
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00:56:36*[Saint] saw a Rockbox user (with a hideous theme) on the bus once...
00:56:50[Saint]based solely on that, there's at least two RB users here ;)
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01:41:19pixelmahmm, I was wrong but there still is something weird. The volume up/down keybord buttons in the c200 sim do work but it takes about 10-12 actual keypresses until I can see the effect when watching the numerical value (1dB step) in the statusbar
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02:35:58DaveFanyone know the difference between Shuffle %ps and Repeat-Shuffle %mm? I could not find and answer in any online docs...Thanks!
02:36:40[Saint]repeat shuffled hits the end of the playlist, reshuffles, and plays again.
02:37:05[Saint]shuffle just plays a shuffled playlist and stops at the end of the playlist.
02:37:37[Saint]fwiw...the manual covers this.
02:38:56DaveFIt was not clear to me in the manual..I read it! So, repeat Shuffle doesn't start until the playlist completes the first time? And Shuffle starts with the very next song after the current one that is playing?
02:39:46[Saint]repeat shuffle is still a shuffled playlist, but instead of stopping when it reaches the end of the playlist, it will reshuffle and start the playlist again.
02:41:17DaveFThanks Saint: so Shuffle (%ps) just shuffles the playlist once then stops. Repeat shuffle (%mm) just keeps re-shuffling after the playlist has been fully played.. over and over.
02:42:24[Saint]you're quoting the skin taks, any reason for this? the tags alone don't affect playback...they just give graphical representations of playback/etc. in the UI.
02:42:31[Saint]s/taks/tags/
02:43:15DaveFskin taks - Huh-?
02:43:50[Saint]%ps, %mm etc. they are our skin tags for building themes etc.
02:44:21DaveFI am modifying a theme and trying to understand the difference between the two tags.
02:44:39[Saint]Aha.
02:44:44DaveF:)
02:46:20DaveFI would seem I could just use the %mm to shuffle the current playlist, and if I get tired of it, I can just turn it off - no real need for the %ps shuffle... having two is what is confusing me.
02:47:02[Saint]the difference is what happens when it hits the end of the playlist.
02:47:21DaveFone stops, and the other repeats...so simple
02:49:22[Saint]I'm actually not certain if "repeat shuffled" will shuffle the current list when it is enabled, or if it only shuffles the list after the playlist repeats.
02:49:39[Saint]that's something I'm not absolutely certain of.
02:50:05DaveFI understand, that is part of my confusion.
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02:52:04DaveFAnd what if I had Shuffle - (%ps) ON, and Repeat ONE (%mm) what do you think would happen?
02:53:08[Saint]that's a good question, I would expect that shuffle would be ignored in that case and the current track endlessly repeated.
02:54:03DaveF.....also part of my confusion
02:54:21DaveFThanks Saint...now I know why they call you Saint!
02:55:54DaveFBTW, I use the Rockbox Simulator religiously, but is there another way, besides trial and error, to determine x,y coordinates for Viewports? I am fairly new at this.
02:57:27[Saint]the themeeditor may help you here: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/themeeditor/rbthemeeditor-r27946.zip
02:58:41DaveFThank you!
02:59:20DaveFI tried a theme editor last month (possibly the same one) but could not make much sens of it.
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03:01:06[Saint]It was created as last years Google Summer Of Code project (or, one of them), basically the easiest way to start is to "create new project" then select where it will be created (desktop usually), the device type (picy yours from a list), and the theme name.
03:01:32[Saint]after the project has been created, you can them copy/paste your current theme into it.
03:02:56DaveFAh, so create a blank project? and then copy my theme into it for editing?
03:03:06[Saint]Failing that, what I used to do before the theme editor was make a "mock up" of my theme using the backdrop I intended to use, and the images I intended to display. I would then create "viewports" (really just bright red boxes) on the backdrop image so I could place where viewports would go. Then I took the coordinates from that image.
03:04:02DaveFI understand, thank you! (again)
03:04:08[Saint]No worries.
03:07:23DaveF"Then I took the coordinates from that image." How do you do that? What app are you using?
03:08:19[Saint]most image manipulators will plot the x,y coordinates, but it depends what OS you're on. On Windows, even MSpaint will do it.
03:17:21DaveFI understand, on Windows, I use http://www.getpaint.net/, and FastStone Capture
03:18:10DaveFI'm listening to Obama's State of the Union speech, honestly, you are making more sense.
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04:26:44DJeXeCuteHello
04:27:24[Saint]Hi, yes, there are people here...if you have a question about Rockbox, just ask.
04:27:25DJeXeCuteAnyone here?
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04:37:08DrewVosburgI'm sure this is a super easy fix, on the iAudio X5, there's a bug with the way it reads the "remote font" setting from the .cfg file
04:37:22DrewVosburgi filed a bug in flyspray: FS #11904
04:38:41DrewVosburgbasically it reads /.rockbox/fonts/12-Adobe-Helvetica.fnt as /.rockbox/fontsAdobe-Helvetica.fnt
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04:39:10DrewVosburgand reads /.rockbox/fonts//12-Adobe-Helvetica.fnt as /.rockbox/fonts/12-Adobe-Helvetica.fnt
04:40:04DrewVosburgthis was true as of r29100-110121
04:42:35DJeXeCuteHey I have a question
04:43:28DJeXeCuteHow can i enable rockboy gameboy emulator on my ipod mini 1st gen
04:44:16krazykityou read the manual to see the instructions on how to use it
04:45:24DJeXeCuteWell what i keep reading is all diffrent
04:45:48DJeXeCuteSuposivly its a viewer but not sure how to get to veiwers
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04:49:26krazykityou don't. you just click on the rom file
04:55:54DJeXeCuteI don't see the gb emulator "rockboy" anywhere
04:56:04DJeXeCuteThats the thing
04:57:24DJeXeCuteIf i type Rockboy and search my entire ipode i get nothing but the website says the emulator comes with the package and it doesnt give a manual download link
04:57:40krazykitthat's because it comes with rockbox and you don't need to download it
04:57:58krazykitjust click the rom file, exactly like if you were trying to play music
04:58:11DrewVosburgfor more info, look here http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginRockboy
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05:03:39krazykitthat being said, the ipod mini doesn't appear to support the rockboy plugin
05:03:48DJeXeCute:(
05:03:49krazykiti don't see an entry for it in the Viewers section
05:04:35DJeXeCuteGues i gotta stick to doom until I find my 80gig classic :/
05:04:54DJeXeCuteThanks for your help.:)
05:05:15DJeXeCuteMan I really wanted to play zelda and battletoads lol
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05:34:36DJeXeCuteAnyone know any NES emultors?
05:35:07DJeXeCuteI was reading something about one early but can't find it again
05:35:11[Saint]There's one in some shape or other on our tracker
05:35:18[Saint]http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?show_task=
05:35:39[Saint]It's pretty old, and abandoned...and may not even compile.
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05:54:17DrewVosburgI am having trouble uploading a theme
05:54:41[Saint]what's the output saying?
05:55:11DrewVosburgWPS parsing failure Error on line 142. %s%ac...|Rockbox>|%?ia<%ia|%?d(2)<%d(2Tn|%tf FM>%?tx< - %ty - %tz|>|%?Tn<%Tf - %Tn|%tf FM>%?tx< - %ty - %tz|>> ^ 'Expected argument seperator' Here
05:55:40DrewVosburgi believe the carat is pointing to the pipe right after "Rockbox>"
05:55:46[Saint]post the full line 142
05:56:02DrewVosburghttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,27081.0.html
05:56:04DrewVosburgit's a long line.
05:56:26DrewVosburg%?mp<%?cc<%ac%?cf<%ck:%cM|%cl:%cM%cp>|Rockbox>|%s%ac%?ia<%ia|%?d(2)<%d(2)|%Sx(Unknown) %Sx(Artist)>> - %?it<%it|%fn>|%s%ac%?ia<%ia|%?d(2)<%d(2)|%Sx(Unknown) %Sx(Artist)>> - %?it<%it|%fn>|%s%ac%?ia<%ia|%?d(2)<%d(2)|%Sx(Unknown) %Sx(Artist)>> - %?it<%it|%fn>|%s%ac%?ia<%ia|%?d(2)<%d(2)|%Sx(Unknown) %Sx(Artist)>> - %?it<%it|%fn>|%s%ac%Sx(Recording)|%s%ac%Sx(Recording) Paused|%s%ac%?Tn<%Tf - %Tn|%tf FM>%?tx< - %ty - %tz|>|%s%ac%?Tn<%Tf - %Tn|%tf FM>%?tx< -
05:56:58[Saint]why is there %s all over the place?
05:57:14[Saint]just one at the beginning is sufficient if everything is scrolling
05:57:24DrewVosburgyeah i know
05:57:49DrewVosburgthe one on the forum is cleaner, i think
05:58:07[Saint]ha...if you say so ;)
05:58:07DrewVosburgbut i was falling back to one that had uploaded for me for the Sansa Fuze
05:58:14DrewVosburgi know, it's nasty code.
05:58:20DrewVosburgi've been working too fast.
05:58:37[Saint]there are so many reasons why you should look into cleaning up that conditional.
05:58:52DrewVosburgi keep getting overwhelmed with it! haha
05:59:29DrewVosburganyways, this is the last port of the theme left for me to upload
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06:00:02DrewVosburgexcept for viewport placement
06:00:13[Saint]the line parses successfully (amazingly)...so I suspect the probel is that it's a batshit-ugly-huge-mega-condition that is far too nested and needs cleaning up ;)
06:00:18DrewVosburgthe sbs is identical to several others.
06:00:25[Saint]that may be speculation, but it *does* need cleaning up ;)
06:00:29DrewVosburgit's atrocious.
06:00:33DrewVosburgi am quite aware.
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06:01:13[Saint]I'm not sure why it's tripping up the themesite though.
06:01:27DrewVosburgthat's more of my concern than my poor syntax.
06:01:35DrewVosburgi'll go back and clean it up and update
06:01:39DrewVosburgi just want to be done for a while
06:01:44DrewVosburgand this is standing in my way.
06:02:03[Saint]Does running checkwps on it choke on the same line?
06:02:12DrewVosburgi don't know, i don't have it compiled.
06:02:59DrewVosburgthere are seven other ports of this, and this is the only thing that gives me the error on upload.
06:03:27DrewVosburgthe Sansa C200
06:04:21[Saint]are you checking for a condition the player can't meet?
06:04:28DrewVosburg...maybe?
06:04:32[Saint]FM, recording, other?
06:04:42DrewVosburgyeah, it's asking for both i think
06:04:56DrewVosburgi will try pulling the tail end of that long conditional
06:04:58DrewVosburgand see what happens
06:05:20[Saint]I had a similar problem where the syntax was seemingly valid, but it wouldn't work on one device but would on another.
06:05:31DrewVosburgoh, and if you think that's a too-nested conditional, you should not look at the code.
06:05:44DrewVosburgthere are some really really nested ones in there =P
06:05:54[Saint]the problem for me was that I wasn't checking for recording properly, just assuming the target had it.
06:06:14DrewVosburgyep
06:06:19DrewVosburgi thinkk i'm doing that.
06:07:09DrewVosburgnope,
06:07:14DrewVosburgit has a mic and a radio.
06:07:35DrewVosburgaccording to the buyer's guide.
06:07:42[Saint]no crazy FM tags that it doesn't support called?
06:08:05[Saint]as long as the conditions don't just assume true, it shouldn;t matter.
06:08:13[Saint]...*shrug*
06:08:15DrewVosburgit always checks first.
06:08:42DrewVosburgit would really suck to not upload this. haha.
06:09:37DrewVosburgthe thing that bugs me is it's asking for an argument separator
06:10:51DrewVosburgi think that the checkwps that checks for the C200 is somehow buggy.
06:11:01DrewVosburgnot that my code is pristine, by any stretch,
06:11:05DrewVosburgbut it's uploaded all day.
06:12:23DrewVosburgi'll just hold on to it for now.
06:12:50DrewVosburgtry to mend my poor conditional and move on.
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06:29:51DrewVosburgi changed the syntax and it is giving me a new error!
06:30:08DrewVosburgit feels enough like progress for me to be encouraged
06:30:22[Saint]congratulations?
06:30:28[Saint]\o/
06:30:49DrewVosburg%s%ac%?if(%mp,=,1)<%?cc<%?cf<%ck:%cM|%cl:%cM%cp>|Rockbox>|%?if(%mp,<=,5)<%?ia<%ia|%?d(2)<%d(2)|%Sx(Unknown) %Sx(Artist)>> - %?it<%it|%fn>|%?if(%mp,=,6)<%Sx(Recording)|%?if(%mp,=,7)<%Sx(Recording) Paused|%?Tn<%Tf - %Tn|%tf FM>%?tx< - %ty - %tz|>>>>>
06:31:07DrewVosburgstill ugly, but cleaner.
06:31:12DrewVosburglots of elseifs
06:31:57DrewVosburg'Expected list close' Here
06:34:12DrewVosburglast time a theme was uploaded for the c200 was november
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10:10:18[Saint]kugel: do you find touch areas to be less than reliable on RaaA?
10:11:02kugelnot here, no. what are the problems?
10:11:31[Saint]I have been experimenting, and while still not perfect viewport relative touch areas perform poorly compared to screen relative ones.
10:12:47[Saint]but regardless if it's viewport or screen relative if the touch area is too close to the screen edge it seems to make it a lot less reliable also.
10:13:06[Saint]especially at the top and bottom of the screen.
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10:15:03kugeldefine unreliable
10:15:35[Saint]sometimes it takes 3~4 presses before the action is registered.
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10:16:13kugelI haven't noticed that
10:17:04[Saint]Hmmm...one other odd issue I have is that the DB won't build unless it finds the tracks in sdcard/rockbox/<blah>
10:17:38[Saint](I realise it's a long way off being finished, though)
10:17:48kugeliirc all touch regions in the 320*480 cabbie are in viewports
10:21:10pixelmakrazykit: it's true that the Ipod Mini doesn't have rockboy - other greyscale Ipods don't have it either. That's because it would need adaptation for this sort of greyscale display and its drawing direction. In case of the Mini there is another problem - rockboy uses touch areas on the wheel and only the 2nd gen Mini has the wheel that could use it
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12:52:30LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Ping, rolling a v1 bootloader for the SA9200!
12:53:04CIA-102New commit by 03rmenes (r29141): Tag release v1 of the Philips GoGear SA9200 bootloader
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12:56:25LambdaCalculus37Zagor, Bagder: Check your email; I just sent you guys the SA9200 bootloader.
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12:57:16newClipUserhello, how can I make the sansa clip+ save voice recordings to the microsd card?
12:57:55newClipUserwill there be an option when I plug a microsd card into the device?
12:59:34LambdaCalculus37If you have a folder already on the microSD card that you want to use, go to it in the file browser, bring up the context menu (hold Select for a second IIRC), and there's an option to set it as the default recording directory.
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13:02:33newClipUserah, IC, I will try it out later, thank you for the hint
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13:03:43newClipUserone more question, as powerusage is quite critical for me, do you think the powerusage would be much higher then recording on the buildin flash?
13:04:43newClipUser*built-in
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14:06:32gevaertskugel: do you have some idea on how old FS #11904 is?
14:06:37gevaertsi.e. is it in 3.7?
14:07:14kugelI don't know better than svn blame :)
14:09:13*gevaerts looks himself then :)
14:09:33gevaerts2010-12-06 23:26:31. That's after the release
14:09:34gevaertsGood
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14:40:28esgikeyanyone have sansa clip plus ?
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14:57:22Strife89esgikey: I.
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16:34:00LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Ping
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16:43:55jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: I'm here now, what's up?
16:45:25LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: We've got a v1.0 bootloader for the SA9200. Wanna do the honors and promote the port? :)
16:47:41jhMikeShmmm...okie, I've yet to do that
16:47:57jhMikeS*ever :)
16:48:52LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: If you want, I can do it on my lunch.
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16:59:52evilnick_BCan a forum admin ban this user please: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28071
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17:21:05jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: (if you see this) Think I got it figured out
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17:50:12amiconnkrazykit: Rockboy isn't supported on the greyscale ipods because still nobody wrote the required lcd update function
17:50:43amiconn(the greyscale ipods' lcds use horizontal pixel packing unlike the supported greyscale lcds)
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17:53:45jhMikeShow long before the index gets updated?
17:56:49n1sjhMikeS: someone (one of The Swedes) needs to do a manual push i think
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17:57:24jhMikeSGood to know, just in case I botched it, but it looked alright :)
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18:07:15RadioactivemanHi, I have a problem with USB access/mounting
18:07:38Radioactivemanplayer is a sansa fuze v1, rockbox is version 3.7.1
18:08:16Radioactivemanit has already worked but now the player doesn't get mounted (I use ArchLinux)
18:09:48Radioactivemandmesg: http://pastebin.com/8an1yK2v
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18:16:15Radioactivemananother information: I tried reinstalling RB today and now the player gets mounted to /media/0123-4567
18:16:46Radioactivemanwith the original firmware
18:17:14Radioactivemanit was /media/ sansa fuze before
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18:19:51n1sthat's just the lable on the fs
18:20:00n1syou can set it to whatever you want
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18:34:39Radioactivemanwould it help if I make a bugreport?
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18:49:19Rim13Hi, I have ipod classic 3g 160g. Now I use Rockbox on it. I see classic at http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi . I use this manual: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/IPod_Classic_iLoader_Installation . Where i can download the latest build for my device?
18:51:18linuxstbRim13: http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipodclassic.zip (I think...)
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18:56:54Rim13I saw it, but this archive is updated or not?
18:57:17linuxstbYes, that's the latest "current build", updated automatically after every commit to SVN.
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19:04:39LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Thanks for updating the front page. You need to also update /tools/builds.pm in the trunk and change the SA9200's status so it'll show up on the downloads page. :)
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19:06:08jhMikeSdo we have a pic for it?
19:06:40LambdaCalculus37Not yet. It'll just show the Rockbox logo in the meantime.
19:07:02Rim13Thanks for the information
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19:13:59CIA-102r29143 build result: All green
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19:15:37*LambdaCalculus37 sees the SA9200 on the download page
19:15:51LambdaCalculus37Now we just need the player image. :)
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19:18:38jhMikeSI can go snap a photo of mine, but it won't look all airbrushy :)
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19:29:57bug2000Can someone please define to me the term "Hard to decode formats"? It appears on the battery FAQ.
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20:29:46Strife89bug2000: Essentially, a compressed file that takes a lot of CPU time to decode, due to the compression scheme/level.
20:30:50Strife89bug2000: Monkey's Audio (.ape) at -l 3000 or higher might be a good example; they're heavily compressed, so they take up less space, but that means that the processor needs to work harder to decompress it fast enough.
20:31:20bug2000Strife89: Whats ape? I just use flac / ogg vorbis / tracker stuff / spc.
20:32:52evilnick_Bbug2000: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey%27s_audio
20:33:21bug2000evilnick_B: Either way, how would you define the ones I mentioned?
20:33:42Strife89bug2000: Easy to decompress for the most part, IIRC. :)
20:34:02Strife89Relatively speaking
20:34:05bug2000Strife89: Thank you :)
20:34:54evilnick_Bbug2000: I'd check the codeccomparison page on the Wiki to see which codec can be decoded cheaply on your target
20:35:23evilnick_BBut I'm thinking that .flac is easier than most to decode
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20:45:24foolshI'm sure FS #11903 is squashed I need it tested on androids with optical/track balls though.
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23:03:03kugeljhMikeS: perfectdrug (Marko Pahlke) has an awesome talent for the playerpics, perhaps you can get a hold of him
23:03:17kugels/a//
23:03:50*kugel is impressed by the one-man show in FS #11903
23:04:36foolshkugel: thanks bro
23:04:46kugelfoolsh: :)
23:05:28kugelit would be nice if you stop uploading one patch per file
23:06:20foolshwill do kugel
23:06:43kugelyou can't remove the queue_post() entirely, it'll break multimedia buttons
23:10:02foolshI think I know what to do with it!
23:12:15kugelmultimedia buttons need to be queue_post()ed, normal ones are polled via button_read_device()
23:14:12foolshSo sending multimedia key events to queue_post() and last_btns results in queue_post() recieving what it needs and last_btns does nothing with those?
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23:14:54foolshor should they be exclusive?
23:16:05foolshI think exclusive would probably with best
23:18:16foolshwork* best
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23:22:29foolshis "KEYCODE_MUTE 91" part of the multimedia keys?
23:24:07kugelnot sure
23:24:59kugelbutton_read_device() is called automagically by rockbox, you just need to return a proper button state
23:25:38thomasjfoxspeaking of multimedia buttons, I just finished the bluetooth headset support in the maemo port.
23:26:07thomasjfoxwhat's the reason fast-forward / rewind is not implemented in the multimedia keys "backend"?
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23:31:01thomasjfoxping kugel about the multimedia buttons
23:31:36kugelI've never seen a device which features them
23:31:54thomasjfoxkugel: Bluetooth headsets do :)
23:32:40thomasjfoxkugel: A user sent me a trace from his headset which emits fast-forward / rewind events
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23:33:13kugelI only saw prev/next yet without ability to use them as ffwd/rew (that goes for my headset, all my keyboards with mm keys and the soft mm keys in cyanogenmod)
23:35:57thomasjfoxI'm wondering how the correct implementation in the backend would look like. Call audio_ff_rewind(pos)?
23:36:58kugelI was about to say that calling audio_* from your callback is incorrect
23:37:47thomasjfoxI don't do that anymore (it crashed on me horribly)
23:38:23thomasjfoxI do it the same way you do it in the android port by posting BUTTON_MULTIMEDIA_* in the button_queue
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23:39:58kugelI'm don't know how to do it correctly for ffwd/rew
23:40:41kugelperhaps add BUTTON_REPEAT to the button after some time?
23:40:56thomasjfoxThe other multimedia keys already call audio_* in apps/misc.c:default_event_handler_ex()
23:42:07kugeldo you have one with ffwd/rew yourself?
23:43:08thomasjfoxI don't have a bluetooth headset at all, I faked it by patching a library and running rockbox with LD_PRELOAD + dbus-send ;)
23:43:08amiconnthomasjfox: Is your latest binary available somewhere? extras-devel obviously doesn't have it yet
23:43:16thomasjfoxamiconn: It's currently building
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23:48:20ClipperHello, can i report bug here?
23:49:08thomasjfoxkugel: We still have an issue with the app shutdown sequence
23:49:39thomasjfoxkugel: The last.fm scrobble file, recent bookmarks and the playcounts are not written yet
23:49:41ClipperRockbox 3.7.1 on Sansa Clip+ 2GB. Serious issues with recording.
23:49:50ClipperSomeone should look into it.
23:50:09thomasjfoxkugel: I guess we need to invoke some kind of shutdown() function before killing all threads
23:50:33kugelthese are all features I don't use at all
23:51:10ClipperFirst of all, you can "overload" recording system and it will cause Rockbox to crash.
23:51:21ClipperJust set decibels high enough
23:51:59kugelthomasjfox: but I guess it's a general RaaA problem so it should be fixed seperately of your port (and possibly later)
23:52:03thomasjfoxkugel: I don't use them, too ;) It's just that the shutdown() sequence is not done properly and there might be other issues hidden.
23:52:20foolshkugel: I'm not sure if adding queue_post() to !state does anything so heres one without in FS.
23:52:29thomasjfoxYes, it's a general problem of RaaA
23:52:47ClipperSecond, sound quality is probably worse than OF recording quality, it takses alot of effort to fix it by setting correct entries.
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23:53:43kugelfoolsh: multimedia_to_button returns BUTTON_NONE for none-multimedia-keys, to check the range of keycode
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23:53:56kugel+no need
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23:55:06foolshkugel: no it returns 0 I just checked button_application.c
23:55:07ClipperThird, there are issues with destined folder which should sote files. They are instead saved in main folder.
23:55:19Clippersote = store
23:55:19kugelfoolsh: that's the same
23:55:49kugelyou don't need to check the range of keycode, just the return value of multimedia_to_button
23:55:53foolshkugel: thats way I had set 0 = BUTTON_UNKNOWN is this a bug?
23:55:54ClipperOverally there are many smaller problems, and i do believe that someone skilled should consider lookig into the matter.
23:55:57foolshopps
23:56:43ClipperRecording is biggest flaw on Rockbox on Clip+.
23:56:54ClipperI hope that it helped by a bit.
23:56:57kugel+ case KEYCODE_VOLUME_DOWN:
23:56:57kugel+ return BUTTON_DPAD_DOWN; <−− looks wrong to me
23:56:58sideralClipper: To not let this bug report be lost in the noise, you should report it in the bug tracker.
23:57:22sideral(One tracker item per issue)
23:57:33Clippersideral: didnt know that sucha thing exists, gonna look into it
23:57:33Clipperthanks
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23:58:47sideralClipper: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/

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