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#rockbox log for 2011-02-03

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00:05:16*foolsh has eaten all his dogfood in FS #11903, and needs testers with Aaapp while its still synced _\../
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00:10:52*foolsh never ever wants to look at java again so tell him good things
00:10:55CIA-7New commit by 03gevaerts (r29197): Make $(DIRS) an order-only dependency, to avoid needless rebuilding of some files
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00:34:55Buscheldo we keep old release of rockbox (e.g. v3.6)?
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00:35:23gevaertsyes
00:35:39Buschelis there a link available?
00:35:54jhMikeSdon't they go all the way back?
00:35:55gevaertshttp://download.rockbox.org/release/
00:36:10gevaertshttp://download.rockbox.org/old_releases/ if you want pre-3.0
00:36:27Buschelperfect :)
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02:42:03LoganTheRedokay so I find this a bit odd and would appreciate some insight. But I have my iPod 5G plugged into the wall and I'm watching the battery life drop by about 1% every 2 seconds. Cannot, for the life of me and all the beer in Ireland, figure out why.
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02:49:12LoganTheRedI've tested it with the iPod firmware and I'm not seeing the same results, so I'm hoping there's simply something in the RockBox settings I've missed that's causing this
02:49:57S_a_i_n_tdo you have charging set to "Force"?
02:50:54S_a_i_n_tsettings/general settings/system/battery/charge during USB connection/Force
02:51:14S_a_i_n_tLoganTheRed: ^
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02:51:50S_a_i_n_tYou should see "normal" charging behaviour with a wall adapter with these settings.
02:52:03LoganTheRedno, I have it set to Yes. It seems it will charge if the device is idle but once I begin playing anything it drops precipitously
02:52:13LoganTheRedwill change the setting and advise, gimme a sec
02:52:58S_a_i_n_tOh, right...the reason you see the huge drop is that it's not pulling enough power to charge and spin up the disk at the same time.
02:53:03S_a_i_n_t(very hungry disk)
02:53:21LoganTheRedokay now this is odd
02:53:42S_a_i_n_t?
02:54:10LoganTheRedI just removed the device from the charger and rebooted it (menu and select) and when it came back up it had 50% power (I removed it when it was at 69%). I come back, after it's sat there unplugged, now it's up to 60% again.
02:54:35*LoganTheRed thinks there's a battery calibration issue here.
02:54:36S_a_i_n_tyes, spinning up the disk draws a huge amount of power.
02:54:37LoganTheRed*googles*
02:54:51LoganTheRedyeah but why would the precentage increase if it's unplugged
02:55:06S_a_i_n_tHmmm.
02:55:22LoganTheRedlemme test it with regular playing again
02:55:31S_a_i_n_tAre you watching this behaviour in the debug screen?
02:55:47LoganTheRednegatory, I confess I haven't even seen that screen yet
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02:56:47LoganTheRedokay playing a track now
02:57:19LoganTheRedyep, battery is plummeting again.
02:57:34LoganTheRedany notions why the drive is so much more power hungry under rockbox than under standard iPod firmware?
02:58:47LoganTheRedaha! Okay so when the LCD backlight is active that's when it drops
02:59:22LoganTheRedwhen it went off just now it was at 54 and falling, gave it a minute of time off and tapped the control to reactivate it was back to 58%
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03:01:29LoganTheRedyep, backlight
03:01:35LoganTheRedokay so now I at least know the issue
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04:14:16CIA-7New commit by 03jethead71 (r29198): MPEGPlayer: Try out a different frame drop scheme meant to skip in a more uniform way rather than running up late and jumping forward; will often drop ...
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05:33:01S_a_i_n_tI have been playing with the iPod Nano 5th Gen quite a bit, and it got me wondering....would be possible to implement a "live pause" feature for FM targets in a similar fashion?
05:33:24S_a_i_n_tIt's actually quite a handy feature I've found.
05:34:20krazykitso to pause, start recording, and begin playing back what was recorded?
05:34:34S_a_i_n_tyes, basically.
05:34:35krazykitthe only trouble might be that it would have to keep recording til you fast-forward
05:35:11S_a_i_n_tI believe it just stops recording when the buffer is full, or when it is unpaused.
05:35:17S_a_i_n_twhichever comes first..
05:36:00S_a_i_n_tWith the iPod OF at least I don't believe the buffer is continually refreshed.
05:36:11S_a_i_n_tbut that would be a nice thing to do.
05:36:30krazykitbut when you unpause it, you're now behind and you're continuously behind unless you do something to catch-up with the live broadcast
05:36:41S_a_i_n_tcorrect.
05:37:23S_a_i_n_tI guess I need to study more the way they do it.
05:43:03JdGordon1it should be technically possible
05:44:58jhMikeSrecord pcm into a queue, play it out the other end, any more than a few minutes of pause will need writing to storage
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06:01:03S_a_i_n_tIt is indeed a nice feature, but well beyond my technical ability when playback/recording are involved.
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06:03:08*JdGordon1 really thinks that is a stupid statement
06:04:14*jhMikeS just takes S_a_i_n_t's word for it since he doesn't know one way or the other
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06:06:24*jhMikeS keeps putting off an important can of worms to fix longstanding SWCODEC annoyances
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06:07:56JdGordon1swcodedc is perfect!
06:07:57JdGordon1wierdo!
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06:08:35jhMikeSperfection can always be improved!
06:09:27jhMikeSjust gotta crack-down and commit lol
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06:10:43jhMikeSand that means drinking a bunch of coffee and immediately going to sleep, then thinking about it some more
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06:24:44*jhMikeS wonders what aspects of crossfade are acceptable to change (most notably, how the envelopes work)
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07:25:17flybackgood music player with some video, easy to read screen for people with eye trouble and not too damn small like the sansa clip
07:25:54jhMikeSfuze?
07:26:06MaxHRHello, using rockbox 3.7.1 with sansa e200, have problems lately, songs show up in database that are no longer on the player, also, can no longer do file browsing from computer, will show folders in root, but browsing them shows 0 files... any ideas to fix?
07:26:09flybackyeah I was leaning that way
07:26:16flybackthis is for my mom, very late xmas gift :PP
07:26:52jhMikeSit's a big screen but not really hires and it has some good grunt to play video pretty well
07:30:22flybackbattery replaceable?
07:31:00jhMikeSnot easily
07:31:10flyback but doable?
07:31:38MaxHRI am thinking this could be a hardware(disk) failure/error issue, but not sure how to trouble shoot this, already tried scandisk on winxp, but unable to complete...
07:31:50flybackSTOP
07:31:54jhMikeScareful disasm and soldering
07:31:59flybackhey didn't I help you before MaxHR ?
07:32:07flybackMaxHR: either way
07:32:10flybackSTOP WTF YOU ARE DOING
07:32:12MaxHRyeah, with the Seagate, thx
07:32:15flybackand tell me about this disk
07:32:45flybackNEVER EVER USE SCANDISK, E2FSCK OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WRITES TO A DYING DRIVE
07:32:46flybackEVER
07:34:05flybackso tell me about this disk
07:34:17MaxHRok, the disk is in the sansa e200 player, I don't really know if it is the disk thats going wrong or something else
07:34:26flybackflash or mech>?
07:34:30MaxHRbut the behavior of the player is strange
07:34:32MaxHRflash
07:34:38flybackwhite screens of death?
07:34:48MaxHRno, it will completely freeze
07:34:58MaxHRalso can't file browse via usb
07:35:16flybackmight want to try in linux to badblocks -svw the raw drive (this will erase everything) and see if it errors
07:35:25MaxHRscreen just locks, have to hold down power button for 30 sec to turn off
07:35:55flybackI had a iriver h10 I loved it btu the brand new hd I put in it lasted a month
07:35:58flybackand I said not again
07:36:04flybackeventually I will solder hack it to run from cf
07:36:40MaxHRis there a way to do that in winxp, or do I need a live linux cd
07:37:03flybackyou could possibly do it in a vm from xp
07:37:07flybackwith a linux vm
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07:38:44MaxHRok, but there is no native winxp program to do it
07:38:52flybackdoubtful
07:38:57MaxHRI have a linux cd around here somewhere
07:40:16MaxHRwhen you say "erase everything" does that include the sansa and rock box firmware plus bootloader? or what
07:40:25flybackI doubt it
07:40:51flybacksome you can
07:40:53flybacksome can't
07:46:10MaxHRso it is just erasing the stored files like music, photos, video etc
07:46:22flybackyes
07:47:27MaxHRwhat about just formating the disks to fat32?
07:47:41flybackformat doesn't actually overwrite sectors
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07:50:31MaxHRright, I had forgotten that, will try the linux disk
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08:04:00flybackI have had to play sometimes with sansa's in the paste
08:04:03flybackpast
08:04:07flybackand some other devices
08:04:15flybacklike try to zero wipe them and cut power etc
08:04:19flybackto force it into a reset etc
08:04:24flybackcan't tell you when to do what
08:04:34flybackI started developing memory problems the last year too
08:05:13MaxHRjhMikeS: I was looking to get a fuse also http://www.cowboom.com/deal-of-the-day.cfm?utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_source=1225267&utm_campaign=CJ
08:05:38MaxHRmy sansa is a refurb, so I expect a few "issues"
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08:06:47jhMikeS$25 to your door ain't bad at all. mine was a woot job and it's been nice.
08:09:05flybackstay away from c140/c150
08:09:12MaxHRit says new, thought I don't completely trust that, for that price I would guess its a refurb
08:09:18flybackI got some broken ones and noticed a pattern of corrupted firmware
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08:13:10MaxHRI was using HiVis theme, doesn't exist yet for 3.7, any similar ones? I want large and easy to read
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08:13:33MaxHRits for Moms
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08:30:23flybackhttp://www.43oh.com/2010/12/interfacing-ti-launchpad-to-digital-caliper/
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08:35:13sideralWhat's the procedure when someone accidentally posts a duplicate Flyspray comment? Should I just delete the user's comment or should I replace it with an edit that says "duplicate elided"? Comment in question: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11907#comment38526
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08:36:50jhMikeSclose one and refer I think
08:37:20sideralit's not a duplicate task, just a duplicate comment on one task
08:38:51jhMikeSoops, I read too little. :) If it's just a double-post, maybe just remove it?
08:39:34sideralOK, I'll do that. Probably wasn't worth the bother anyway. Nevermind & thanks!
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08:40:33sideraljhMikeS: BTW, have you seen FS #11915?
08:40:35jhMikeScould be a case of the browser asking for a resubmit and giving the affimative
08:40:46sideralprobably
08:41:05jhMikeSNot to my knowledge, I think I will though in a few seconds
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08:42:02sideralthanks
08:42:08jhMikeSAh, clip noise. I did have that on my v1, then it seemed to go away
08:43:13sideraldid it? how did you do it? ;)
08:45:31jhMikeSI didn't do anything specific. I was messing around after install, I noticed horrible noise. Then after and right now, it's quite fine.
08:46:43jhMikeSis any analog input left enabled, like radio?
08:47:07sideralno, I think I eliminated all of that
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08:47:40jhMikeSsomething must trigger it and it stays
08:47:48sideralactually, the radio/mic line in to mixer is not muted after boot, see last comment in FS tracker, but that wasn't the cause
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08:51:42sideralI suspected the DCDC converter, see the two latest comments in that FS item
08:52:19sideralUnfortunately I don't know how to enable current force mode for AMSv2
08:53:42sideraldo you have an AMSv2 device on which you could dump the audio settings with the patch I've attached to this FS item?
08:54:46jhMikeSI can't get the noise to come back on this one
08:55:07jhMikeSI have a fuze yes
08:55:29sideralthen the audio settings would be especially interesting
08:55:43sideralI should expand that patch to also dump the power management settings...
08:57:48jhMikeSwouldn't you just get defaults, not OF ones?
08:58:32sideralyes, but as your device doesn't have the noise, there may be a built-in firmware- or Rockbox-induced difference
08:58:57sideralOf course, if you can dump the OF's settings with a JTAG, that would be even more interesting :)
08:59:38jhMikeSwell, if I had anything setup to do that
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09:02:37jhMikeSI can dump to a file before audio init, just after the i2c is usable
09:04:11sideralWould be helpful! But as Rockbox also fiddles with the settings in a device-dependent way, seeing the final settings would be interesting as well
09:05:35jhMikeSI just figured we know what those are by the source
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09:06:49sideralWell, I had some surprises when I dumped the settings and looked at them afterwards... like the unmuted line-in
09:06:55Buscheldoes anyone mind if I sumbit FS #11918 ?
09:07:39sideralBuschel: certainly not me :)
09:07:54Buschelthat's a clear +1 :)
09:08:12sideral:)
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09:17:47jhMikeSsideral: I'll let this build finish and get you a reading
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09:26:18jhMikeSsideral: posted in your task
09:28:27CIA-7New commit by 03Buschel (r29199): Submit FS #11918: Add 2 more codec types to be able to differentiate between AAC / AAC-HE and MPC SV7 / SV8. Additionally handle ATARI soundfiles in ...
09:31:01Buschelouch, didn't want to submit buffering.c
09:32:08Buschel(but if someone wants to review that change -> go.)
09:35:24Buschelit may be a fix for some of our playback freezes...
09:35:52CIA-7r29199 build result: All green
09:36:36CIA-7New commit by 03Buschel (r29200): Roll back unintentionally submitted file.
09:37:50sideralThanks jhMikeS!
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09:41:43jhMikeSBuschel: why shouldn't it be committed if it actually fixes a bug in the buffering logic?
09:42:00CIA-7r29200 build result: All green
09:42:54BuscheljhMikeS: this was a patch by some guy, not mine. I cannot judge what this patch really changes as I am not knowing the buffering code very well.
09:43:21BuscheljhMikeS: if someone can review and judge it, I would feel much better submitting it
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09:46:25sideraljhMikeS: has your fuzev2 been on mute when you dumped the audio settings?
09:47:42jhMikeSI just booted then dumped
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09:48:33jhMikeSBuschel: is he saying there's an issue with 100% and 0% not being properly distinguished?
09:48:53sideraljhMikeS: interesting, MUTE_K_ON is set in my dump but not in yours
09:50:46BuscheljhMikeS: he stated reproducible crashes on clip+ when skipping during playback. with this patch he stated the software to be "much more stable". see FS #11863
09:52:09jhMikeSIt seems widx == ridx couldn't tell empty from full from what I get from the comment in the patch
09:56:22BuscheljhMikeS: from my tests the change does not seem to do any harm. but I cannot confirm it fixes anything...
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10:06:08sideralgood night jhMikeS!
10:06:24BuscheljhMikeS: see you later :)
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10:15:01LinusNoh crap, either my tblcf is broken, or peturs h120 :-(
10:16:07LinusNi was this >.< close to finish the reflash, and it stopped due to a failure, and when i try to restart it now, i get no response from the bdm
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10:20:30petureek
10:20:55LinusNi'll replace the pcb in your player with a working one
10:21:14LinusNi've had your player for far too long
10:21:56LinusNand i have ordered a new tblcf
10:22:02petur:)
10:22:38sideraljhMikeS: Looks like MUTE_K_ON is an innocent bit, albeit misdocumented in the datasheet. So, nothing suspicious in your audio-register dump. Thanks anyway!
10:23:07CIA-7New commit by 03Buschel (r29201): Changes in m4a parser: The metadata (e.g. sampling rate) for alac and aac must read from their dedicated metadata atom. Otherwise there might be wrong ...
10:27:38CIA-7r29201 build result: All green
10:30:31Buschelsideral: isn't FS #11851 the same issue as FS #11907?
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10:39:30wodzLinusN: I told you tblcf is meta stable :-)
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10:40:20LinusNhehe
10:40:54wodzLinusN: I would try to load rockbox into dram with tblcf, boot it and let flash plugin to do reflash
10:41:12wodzthis should be quite fast approach
10:41:20LinusNwodz: that would be a great idea if the tblcf could connect to the target
10:42:00LinusNit seems broken (or the h120 is)
10:42:24LinusNit's so annoying, since the h120 boots with the iriver logo, and then hangs
10:42:56wodzLinusN: When my tblcf hangs I have to remove tblcf from usb, hard reset the player and reconnect tblcf. Any other combination fails
10:43:21LinusNtried that
10:43:25wodz:/
10:44:19LinusNthe tblcf works fine, except that it says "no response to bdm request"
10:44:36LinusNso it's the target connection that is broken somehow
10:44:44sideralBuschel: I don't think so at first sight, but I'll listen to the sampled audio files linked in FS #11851 later (probably not today) to make sure
10:44:51wodzcable problem? flat cable connection is rather sensitive
10:45:12LinusNtried two cables, and inspected the soldering of the connectors under a microscope
10:45:20wodzwow
10:45:32LinusNi suspect the 74vhc14, or the mcu
10:45:56wodzif you get response from tblcf I would say buffer is to blame
10:46:23LinusNi have ordered a new one, but i won't receive it before i leave for brussels
10:47:04LinusNso i'll replace the pcb in peturs player, and continue the tblcf hacking in my own time
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10:48:16LinusNmy plan is to develop a simple unbricking tool
10:48:37LinusNusing on-target flashing of course
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10:51:42wodzthe idea behind AVR based BDM reflasher described somewhere on the wiki (for H300) is very attractive since AVR can be in DIP package and is easily available.
10:52:23wodzI build my first BDM pod inspired by this actually (before I found out tblcf)
10:54:04LinusNthe sad part is that i have a working bdm wiggler (P&E), but none of my computers have a parallel port anymore :-(
10:54:49wodzIn minimal version you need any AVR from mega series, 3.3V LDO, 12MHz XTAL and a few resistors and capacitors
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10:55:28wodzLinusN: I am speaking strictly about reflashing not debugging
10:56:06LinusNof course
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11:38:45Tornethe forums appear to have died as well?
11:42:07BuschelTorne: works for me here
11:43:04TorneI just get "No site here."
11:43:26Torneas actual returned content
11:43:58gevaertsnot here
11:44:22gevaertsTorne: rockbox.org dns was set up to handle ipv6 recently. Maybe related to that?
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11:45:14Tornegevaerts: it worked 90 minutes ago
11:45:22Tornebut doesn't work now i'm back from breakfast
11:47:16SlasheriAVRs are very easy to develop with. And some FTDI chip for USB is an easy way to achieve 1 Mbaud/s link with PC
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11:48:16Slasherior some usb<->parallel interface such as PDIUSB12D if even higher transfer rates are desired
11:48:17pixelmaSlasheri: wrong channel?
11:48:36Slasheripixelma: no, to wodz and LinusN comments about BDM interface
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11:53:58wodzSlasheri: the approach I am referring to uses software USB stack which eliminates the need for FTDI bridge
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11:54:54Slasheriwodz: ah.. but software usb emulation is very slow speed :/
11:55:25wodzSlasheri: enough for one time upload just to recover from bad flash
11:55:31Slasheriwith FTDI chip, you could run the uart on avr at the maximum theoretical speed
11:55:59Slasheriindeed.. but is that worth the complexity of the software? :)
11:56:59wodzSlasheri: sure but you will need to implement complete BDM command logic to use it as a regular pod. I looked into it (to port tblcf firmware to AVR) and considered not worth the afford
11:57:34Slasheriah, so you would fully run it from the pc :)
11:58:18wodzSlasheri, software USB stack for AVR is ready to use code -> http://www.obdev.at/products/vusb/index.html
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11:58:39Slasheriwodz: but wouldn't it be nice, some mega avr could easily even hold rockbox bootloader of itself and do the reflashing fully autonomous :)
11:59:00wodzsure it would
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11:59:16wodzI've done this once :-)
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12:00:15Slasheriwodz: i have seen that.. but could not have used it yet because of the gpl :/ which would be fine for this purpose of course
12:02:42wodzThe biggest downside of their approach is that bulk transfers are not allowed in low speed. That means you have to use custom protocol (or HID) to not scrach your head why this doesn't work :-)
12:05:38CIA-7New commit by 03Buschel (r29202): Correctly re-initialize wma decoder on next track. This fixes strange observed issues (noise, crashes) which only could be solved through re-entering ...
12:07:39Buschelthat was a baaad one
12:09:26CIA-7r29202 build result: All green
12:10:00*LinusN pats Buschel on the back - good job
12:10:36Buschel;)
12:13:20pixelmaBuschel: does your codec type change mean that the complete list changes that is also used in the codec type tag in the WPS?
12:14:09pixelmaespecially in the conditional form that could mean checking if the shipped themes change (some use bitmaps assigned with the help of the conditional)
12:14:56pixelmaif there now is one more in the list and in the middle somewhere, the later ones could be one off
12:16:52pixelmanot a 100% sure how that works internally though
12:17:17BuschelI did not know this. Will try to research this
12:18:58LinusNwodz: is it important that the buffer is vhc, or would hc do?
12:20:22wodzLinusN: standard hc doesn't tolerate 5V when powered from 3.3V IIRC
12:20:33LinusNah
12:21:46Buschelpixelma: in skin_tokens.c there is the possibility to return the integer value of the codec type. this could be used for such...
12:22:10pixelmasorry, I don't understand
12:22:33Buschelpixel: you were right
12:22:54BuschelI will need to resort my new types and move them to the end
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12:27:17Buschelpixelma: thanks for the hint
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12:27:45pixelmamaybe there is a nicer solution. The codec list as it is now looks nicer and a coder who searches something would probably not expect similar codec types being torn apart there. I can't imagine a nicer solution though, short of correcting the included themes that use it
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12:28:30pixelmanot sure how many these are but there are some, I noticed when "porting" them to use bitmap strips
12:33:25BuschelI will just resort them. all other latest codecs were added at the bottom of this list as well.
12:34:04Buschelatari and atrac codecs are also torn apart in this list
12:35:16LinusNoh, wonderful, the pcb i intended to put in peturs player has a broken hold switch... grrrr... :-(
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12:43:49CIA-7New commit by 03Buschel (r29203): Follow up on r29199. Move new codec types to the end of the list.
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12:47:00Buscheln1s: you there?
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12:52:47*Buschel sees missing re-inits in other codecs as well
12:55:25Buschelthe missing one in atrac3_rm.c seems to be the reason for FS #11495. I have a similar bug as well on my iPod. Let's see :)
12:56:57pixelmaBuschel: when the list gets longer than the last branch of the conditional is used for the new ones as well, this one is usual reserved for unknown and many themes use it this way. Then the theme will only show an "unknown" bitmap which is not nice but not as wrong as showing e.g. ALAC for an MPC file or so ;)
12:59:12Buschelyou're right. I just wasn't aware of this use case.
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13:02:02kugelshouldn't the skin engine use base_codec_type? so that sv7 and sv8 can share the same conditional branch?
13:06:17coochi kugel!
13:11:38kugelcooc: hey :)
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13:18:07n1sBuschel: i'm here now
13:18:34Buscheln1s: I had an idea regarding your atrac3_rm issue
13:18:55Buscheln1s: I can reproduce a similar failure on my iPod Video as well
13:19:21Buscheln1s: FS #11495
13:20:10peturfunny description: http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/iRiver-iHP-120-20-GB-Digital-Media-Player-w-16gb-card-/190488474903?pt=Other_MP3_Players&hash=item2c59ff7517
13:20:16Buschelthis looks like a somehow missing reinit when not re-entering the codec
13:20:20n1sBuschel: ah, had forgotten about that
13:21:46n1sBuschel: it happened only when playback moved from another track with another codec to this file (IIRC) as it's the only atrac_rm file i have
13:21:50*Buschel cleans up all several playback/codec issues these days
13:21:57n1syes, very nice work
13:22:55Buschelthis is what you do when you're bound to your bed :/
13:22:57kugelare we going to do a 3.7.2?
13:23:12gevaertsLinusN: if you can't get petur's h120 working today and he needs it, he could still have one of mine (the one he's had before) and you could send me his hed if and when you get it working. I have two of them, so I won't miss it
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13:27:00n1sBuschel: if you have any ideas for me to test i can try them later when i get home
13:27:41Buschelthe ideas I had so far didn't work for me :/ I'll let you know if I have something to test
13:29:33LinusNgevaerts: thanks. i'll try to get it working, and if not, he can have yours in the mean time
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13:31:20peturI don't need the h120 right away, but I keep poping up the question every time Linus comes over here ;)
13:32:21gevaertspetur: my goal here is actually to get an h120 with soldered flatcable out of this :)
13:33:05peturah :)
13:34:09LinusNgevaerts: why solder the flat cable?
13:34:28*gevaerts doesn't actually know!
13:34:32LinusN:-)
13:34:39B4gderit looks cool!
13:34:44LinusNhehe
13:34:46B4gderhe wants to impress his work mates
13:37:20LinusNpetur: so it would be ok if i didn't bring the h120 to fosdem?
13:37:31peturyes
13:37:42LinusNok thx
13:37:52peturjust want to avoid the year++ cycle ;)
13:38:06LinusNi won't let it go this time
13:39:54*petur has CF card + adapter and toslink all waiting.... one day :)
13:40:06peturwill probably need a new battery :)
13:41:06pixelmakugel, JdGordon|: are info about a file's path like directory names known "earlier" to the skin engine than metadata that has to be read from the tags?
13:41:36kugeli dont think so
13:42:43peturgevaerts: so now I have two locations for you?
13:43:12pixelmapetur: yes, one in #rockbox-community and the other here ;)
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14:08:30orivejIs there a ready/easy way to make rockbox act as a realtime amplifier, so that it captures from microphone (save is not needed) and redirects the stream (possibly equalized) to the headphones?
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14:16:04gevaertsorivej: just go to the recording screen?
14:16:24gevaertsI've once done this with an X5L
14:16:42wodzgevaerts: tblcf in on the way
14:16:46n1sno equalizer though
14:16:49gevaertswodz: great!
14:16:51*wodz hates post offices
14:17:15gevaertsn1s: I'm making use of the "possibly" cop-out :)
14:17:32n1s:)
14:18:48*gevaerts used that because recording on a hard disk player from the built-in microphone suffers from HD noise, so he used *two* DAPs, using one for its microphone and recording from line-in on the other
14:19:20wodzlol
14:19:34gevaertsIt worked quite well!
14:19:41n1shaha
14:23:31orivejgevaerts: nice! it works. Can I make it replicate the output to the second channel (sound goes to the single channel only)
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14:24:52gevaertsorivej: not sure. Maybe you can set it to stereo recording?
14:25:13orivejstereo is the only option in settings
14:26:04gevaertsIt might well not be possible
14:26:27gevaertsOh, make sure to disable idle shutdown if you want to use this for a longer time. Logically, the player is idle
14:26:56orivejwell, thank you. good it works. have to go now
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17:15:50BuschelI can reproduce a bug *each* time, but I cannot understand it
17:15:56Buscheltime for a break
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17:26:31Buscheln1s: you should really take a look at FS #11495. this becomes weird :/
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17:28:57n1s'll try to find some time in the weekend
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18:58:45LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Ping
18:58:56TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: gniP
18:59:12LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,27158.0.html <−− Perhaps you may know a little something about this?
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18:59:52LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: My MacBook also bitches about the iPod Classic when it's connected via Rockbox.
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19:00:39LambdaCalculus37Under Windows and Linux, it's seen fine and dandy.
19:00:57TheSevenyes, i know about that, but i have absolutely no clue what it dislikes about it
19:01:17TheSevenmacs accept superfloppy-formatted pendrives just fine, don't they?
19:01:29LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Yes.
19:02:09TheSevenhm, it might be that the file system created by my installer has only one FAT
19:02:10LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Hmmm, actually now that I think about it... waaaaaait, you just gave me an idea to try something out!
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21:28:02scorcheso apparently I am registering in the intel appup developer program to try and get a free meego netbook from this appup shindig i am going to - does anyone have a problem if i create a Rockbox organisation? - if we ever have a meego app, it can be uploaded through this organisation, etc
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21:28:42scorcheI can create a personal organisation, however while I am here, I figure I might as well create a Rockbox one...
21:29:20*gevaerts doesn't have a problem with this
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22:20:54CIA-7New commit by 03Buschel (r29204): Correct the metronome keymap in the manual. Better describe buttons/actions in metronome help text. Closes FS #11773.
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23:11:45pixelmaBuschel: why does "start / stop" need seperate descriptions on the button table?
23:11:59pixelmain the table even
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23:12:09Buschelbecause this is how it is implemented. different keys
23:12:59pixelmaand on the remote it would be the same key?
23:13:19pixelmathis one looking the same confused me by the way
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23:30:21wodzha!!! I own the control over rk27xx - I can upload custom code through DFU
23:32:01Bagderyou rock
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23:34:10wodzThe really hard work was done by someone else. I 'only' understood his code with almost no comments and confirmed this by disasembly
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23:48:38[Saint]wodz: Good work, congraulations.
23:48:44[Saint]\o/
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23:57:20wodzsupporting DSP in rockbox present in this SoC will be the real challenge.
23:58:24bertrikyou could start with the basics, like just bass and treble controls first

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