#rockbox 2011-02-05

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#rockbox log for 2011-02-05

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00:10:48	pixelma	linuxstb, amiconn: on android there is also this system wide notification bar and it would be nice to have that one supported as well (it isn't now and it's again a problem with screen size too)
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00:17:32	linuxstb	pixelma: I'm suggesting that we always force the native status bar to be there - so it's not a problem of screen size. These devices have large enough screens for that IMO.
00:19:22	linuxstb	Although possibly its size is variable... (user theme?)
00:19:27	pixelma	well, I don't know if the system status bar is always the same size
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00:22:53	pixelma	if the system bar could judt be drawn upon the rest you could (let) this be taken care of the theme and with a sensible default. If enabling it actually takes away from the usable screen size that gets more tricky
00:23:06	pixelma	s/judt/just
00:23:44	pixelma	the former also sounds like a hack even in the case that it is possible
00:28:39	CIA-7	New commit by 03bluebrother (r29207): Replace list of languages with map. ...
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00:33:09	CIA-7	r29207 build result: All green
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00:35:29	thomasjfox	I'll leave now. Happy n900 rockbox hacking :)
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01:20:31	saratoga	wodz: i looked at the zsp400, it looks like it would work quite well for some a lot of codecs
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01:21:04	saratoga	its probably better to just write ASM code for it though
01:21:41	saratoga	i think for mp3 it would be fairly easy, we already support splitting off the synthesis filterbank onto the PP coprocessor, so it could be done on the ZSP as well
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01:41:37	[Saint]	Torne: fwiw, party mode is one of the settings that just randomly goes beserk for some users after updating from 3.5~3.7/.1
01:41:49	[Saint]	so "you must have turned it on" is not entirely true.
01:42:03	Torne	i don't see how that can happen
01:42:09	Torne	the setting definition hasn't changed
01:42:11	[Saint]	Nor I, but, it does.
01:42:24	[Saint]	this would be the 5~6th time I've seen it.
01:42:37	[Saint]	it's best to advise to backup/reset the cfg
01:42:40	Quazgaa	:o
01:42:54	Torne	i still think it more likely that 5-6 peopleahve done it by accident, tbh
01:43:15	Torne	the cfg parsing code is really quite simple ;)
01:43:24	[Saint]	We managed to track down that it was part mode the first or second time I saw it by trial and error.
01:43:54	[Saint]	I believe there was a playmode setting for another user also.
01:44:31	Torne	well, we don't make any attempt to cleanly handle settings whose definitions have changed.
01:44:33	[Saint]	ZFor some reason, very old .cfgs seem to have a chance of randomly completely messing unrelated settings up.
01:44:37	[Saint]	it's quite fun.
01:44:47	Torne	if the value in the cfg is no longer a valid value for the setting it goes back to the default
01:44:54	Torne	or possibly to something else, if the type has changed
01:45:05	[Saint]	*-Z
01:45:22	Torne	and if the name of the setting has changed then obviously the old cfg line will be thrown away entirely and the new one will be on the default
01:45:41	Torne	but party mode is just a boolean :)
01:46:55	[Saint]	The way it was confirmed the time I saw it initially was by the user rolling back to the old build with the same cfg, and all was well, updated again, settings went screwy.
01:47:14	[Saint]	Sometimes I try not to understand how things do what they do ;)
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01:49:45	[Saint]	A user popped up...yesterday, possibly the day before with the same thing. He renamed his .cfg on my advice and it magically fixed it as well.. That was again updating from 3.5~3.7/.1
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04:14:43	mlt-	amiconn: could you commit a patch for FS #11897?
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06:03:17	Raptors	Can I go back to my Sansa Fuze default firmware after installing Roxbox?
06:03:25	[Saint]	yes
06:03:37	Raptors	Is it hard?
06:03:49	[Saint]	Rockbox Dual-Boots, so, no.
06:03:56	[Saint]	My advice is to read the manual.
06:04:09	[Saint]	http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuzev2/rockbox-build.html
06:05:53	Raptors	Video.mpg, .mpeg, .mpv, .m2v
06:06:14	Raptors	hmm.. Why doesn't it have AVI support like the normal firmware? :/
06:06:34	[Saint]	Because it's not the normal firmware? ;)
06:07:04	Raptors	I suppose. I guess I'll give it a go
06:07:18	Raptors	Does Roxbox have around the same battery life?
06:07:27	Raptors	Rockbox*
06:07:29	[Saint]	Better on most devices.
06:08:29	Raptors	DRM capability.
06:08:29	Raptors	It is possible that installation of the bootloader may lead to you permanently losing the ability to playback files with DRM.
06:08:30	Raptors	D:
06:09:37	[Saint]	I can never understand why people care about that one...
06:10:00	[Saint]	That should be counted as a good thing.
06:10:28	Raptors	How does losing the ability to playback files with DRM a good thing?
06:10:43	Raptors	it's limiting the amount of content you can play on it
06:10:49	[Saint]	because DRM is awful.
06:11:04	Raptors	DRM is awful but sometimes you can't do anything about it
06:11:12	[Saint]	and DRM limits the content you can play way more than the removal of it.
06:11:41	Raptors	It's not like you can't play DRM files...
06:11:47	Raptors	I mean non-DRM files
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06:14:58	Raptors	I don't get it though
06:15:29	[Saint]	What part don't you get?
06:15:48	Raptors	How does the installation of the bootloader remove your ability to play DRM content permanently?
06:16:29	Raptors	Isn't DRM pretty much all software?
06:16:42	[Saint]	theere may be some magic written to the firmware partition that siganls to the player "yes, I can play this file, I'm allowed to", and the installation may overwrite that information.
06:16:49	[Saint]	and no, it is not.
06:18:03	Raptors	hmm...
06:19:16	Raptors	Well I don't really use drm files anyways so I guess I'll take the gamble
06:19:22	Raptors	pretty much nothing to lose
06:19:55	[Saint]	You could, in theory make a complete backup of the firmware partition if you didn't want to lose this data, or wanted to restore it if it was indeed lost...but it involves opening the player, and a lot of fiddling that's usually past how far the "usual user" is willing to go.
06:20:55	Raptors	Ya, I don't know how to do that. If I open up my player I'd most likely end up bricking it
06:20:57	Raptors	lol
06:20:59	[Saint]	And most people don't see it as a problem, considering wanting to install Rockbox in the first place there's a good chance this user isn't using DRM'd files.
06:22:41	Raptors	Just out of curiosity what are the odds of that happening?
06:23:55	[Saint]	I'm not sure, to be honest...for there to be a specific note about it in the manual it must have happened, or have the chance of happening...but I'm not sure if there's any data that could give any odds.
06:24:15	[Saint]	If you're not using any DRM'd files, then...it's no biggie.
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06:28:29	Raptors	[Saint], does Rockbox support podcast/audiobooks?
06:28:38	Raptors	like resume from spot x
06:28:39	[Saint]	Yes.
06:28:56	Raptors	kk
06:29:09	[Saint]	Ah, it supposrts both podcasts and audiobooks, and there is multiple bookmarking options.
06:29:15	[Saint]	*supports
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06:32:11	foo51	@Aaapp_dev: FS #11903 I have collected enough information to identify why the track pad/ball workaround is needed. I sum my thoughts into the last comment it should be enough for you to understand where I think the problem is. I can't really complete this alone, I could barely trudge so far along into java as it is.
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07:04:06	Raptors	Damn, Rockbox has so many options :/
07:04:13	Raptors	I was honestly lost for like 5 min :/
07:04:33	scorche	the manual helps with such things ;)
07:04:49	Raptors	The Ambiance (ubuntu) theme pwns
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07:11:38	Raptors	It'd be nice if you could limit
07:11:49	Raptors	"database" to just /muic
07:11:54	Raptors	/music
07:12:25	[Saint]	you can.
07:12:30	Raptors	How?
07:12:40	foo71	yes how?
07:12:56	[Saint]	you can use database.ignore and database.unignore files to determine exactly what gets scanned.
07:13:54	foo71	Saint :) thanks no more ring tones
07:14:18	[Saint]	example: You want sdcard/music scanned, but not sdcard/, so you would place a database.ignore file at the root, and place a database.unignore file in /music
07:16:05	Raptors	ugh, how the heck do you get it to USB mode? (sorry for n00b question)
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07:22:36	Raptors	[Saint],
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07:27:27	Raptors	ugh, USB mode is broke it seems
07:27:30	Raptors	T_T
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07:29:53	foo71	[Saint]: I said the other day I had a dream about opengl plugin? on the supported Android devices silly, you're the wps guy right just think ProjectM but leaner more rockboxy ProjectR? maybe
07:31:57	jhMikeS	Raptors: if it's a fuzev2, it's not enabled yet, so just shut down and plug the USB cable to use USB in the OF
07:32:14	Raptors	Ya, I know I just googled it
07:32:31	Raptors	It was great till I found that out
07:32:56	jhMikeS	it's being worked on
07:33:29	Raptors	kk
07:33:33	jhMikeS	really, for fuze v2 it works well now but needs to be enabled and you'd need to compile yourself to do it
07:34:12	Raptors	There should be an option in the autoinstaller to enable/disable features
07:35:38	Raptors	I guess I'll compile it on my own
07:35:42	Raptors	can't be that hard right?
07:35:52	jhMikeS	easy change
07:37:09	jhMikeS	imo it's not too hard and instructions are in the wiki about getting started
07:39:30	*	jhMikeS is considering enabling USB for Fuzev2 by default anyways
07:40:21	Raptors	You're the main dev?
07:40:42	jhMikeS	no, just one of many :)
07:42:33	jhMikeS	the v2 clips seem to be having the issues
07:43:17	Raptors	Can you build on linux?
07:43:27	Raptors	err compile
07:43:41	jhMikeS	of course, it's gcc
07:43:47	Raptors	kk
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07:47:46	*	foo71 remember his first time too (O.O) but it was not like that. :P
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07:48:51	Raptors	jhMikeS, where do I get started? There are like a ton of folders :/ I'm totally lost
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07:49:17	foo71	Raptors: be right with you
07:50:01	jhMikeS	to enable usb?
07:50:09	Raptors	Yes
07:50:22	Raptors	well to compile Rockbox
07:50:30	Raptors	with usb
07:50:45	Raptors	I got the code from SVN
07:51:06	foo71	I got this one let me get xchat installed so I can pmsg
07:51:11	jhMikeS	/firmware/export/config/sansae200v2.h, but hold on
07:53:37	jhMikeS	comment out #define USB_HANDLED_BY_OF and uncomment #define USE_ROCKBOX_USB
07:54:23	Raptors	how come all these things are commented out?
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07:54:35	jhMikeS	pardon me sansafuzev2.h lol
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07:55:07	Raptors	There is rockbox for Sanza View?
07:55:14	Raptors	:/
07:57:35	jhMikeS	unless I'm mistaken I don't think it's in a very advanced stage
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07:59:02	Raptors	Ya, I really wanted a Sanza View but after reading all the horror stories with the original firmware and lack of update, I went with the Fuze especially when I saw there was no Rockbox for it either..
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08:02:17	Raptors	jhMikeS, to comment it out I use a /* right?
08:02:25	Raptors	well /
08:03:06	Raptors	nvm /* turned it blue. I'm guesses that means it's commented out
08:03:35	[Saint]	you need to terminate the comment too.
08:03:47	jhMikeS	you do have to setup cross-compilers by running rockboxdev.sh
08:03:53	[Saint]	"/comment/"
08:04:08	[Saint]	(without quotes)
08:04:27	Raptors	kk
08:04:32	jhMikeS	"//" or "/* xxx */", so long as the preprocessor recognized the defines
08:04:45	jhMikeS	*correct defines
08:04:50	[Saint]	And yes, you'll need to set up the toolchain also.
08:05:14	[Saint]	you should probably do that first, as if you don't succeed there...the rest id pointless.
08:05:19	[Saint]	*is
08:05:36	Raptors	#define USE_ROCKBOX_USB
08:05:42	Raptors	/#define USB_HANDLED_BY_OF/
08:05:50	Raptors	That's it?
08:05:52	jhMikeS	yup
08:06:00	Raptors	wow, that wasn't hard
08:06:23	JayJech	Can anyone here add me to WikiUsersGroup? I recently completed the H1x0 RTC mod and would like to add my comments.
08:06:38	[Saint]	JayJech: username?
08:06:50	JayJech	JayJech :)
08:07:22	JayJech	I just registered about 10 minutes ago.
08:08:21	*	jhMikeS doesn't know who else besides himself has been using a fuzev2 with USB enabled
08:08:27	[Saint]	Done
08:08:31	[Saint]	JayJech: ^
08:08:38	JayJech	Thanks [Saint]!
08:08:49	[Saint]	No wories
08:09:04	Raptors	63) Sansa Fuze v2
08:09:10	Raptors	Do I put 63 as target?
08:09:11	Raptors	or name?
08:09:15	jhMikeS	63
08:09:35	jhMikeS	you do have the toolchain?
08:09:48	Raptors	I'm not sure :/
08:09:52	[Saint]	no ;)
08:10:01	Raptors	I just got the trunk off SVN
08:10:07	benjamin__	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CrossCompiler#Step_2a:_Automatic_build
08:10:08	jhMikeS	lol, have to go to tools and run rockboxdev.sh
08:10:33	jhMikeS	configure will complain
08:10:53	[Saint]	what OS are you on?
08:11:11	[Saint]	if ubuntu, you'll need a few other packages
08:11:27	Raptors	Do I have to do that?
08:11:34	[Saint]	yes
08:11:52	[Saint]	if "that" == making the toolchain
08:12:21	jhMikeS	all you need is the arm-elf-eabi though, not all of them
08:12:34	Raptors	Does it have to install to /usr/local?
08:13:27	Raptors	Well I guess I'll just leave it as it is.. I don't want to be dealing with path issues
08:13:34	jhMikeS	that's what it expects
08:13:47	[Saint]	and you won;t be dealing with PATH issues
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08:13:49	jhMikeS	/usr/local/bin
08:13:56	[Saint]	the default installation should already be in your PATH
08:14:24	Raptors	the default it's listing is /usr/local
08:15:02	jhMikeS	all the tools end up in /usr/local/bin
08:15:26	Raptors	Install prefix : /usr/local (set RBDEV_PREFIX to change)
08:15:27	jhMikeS	I just made the m68k and that worked well
08:15:32	[Saint]	jhMikeS: it does drop stuff in usr/local also
08:16:07	jhMikeS	I've got nothing but directories, they haven't been modified since june
08:16:49	jhMikeS	aha, yes, dumped some other junk in m68k-elf still
08:17:00	[Saint]	well, yes...that's why I just daid "stuff". I thought your explanation would be read as "it will only create files in <blah>, and nowhere else"
08:17:08	[Saint]	*said
08:17:52	jhMikeS	LOL, I thought that's what it did on the last run but I was badly mistaken this time I guess :)
08:17:57	Raptors	I'll install it and if it dumps stuff in /usr/local I'll manually move them to /usr/local/bin
08:18:22	jhMikeS	It puts some subdirs there
08:18:40	Raptors	Sansa Fuze is -e correct?
08:18:46	[Saint]	correct
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08:26:08	[Saint]	?
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08:26:42	jhMikeS	it's a polite southern way of cursing the bloody thing :)
08:29:24	Raptors	<[Saint]> example: You want sdcard/music scanned, but not sdcard/, so you would place a database.ignore file at the root, and place a database.unignore file in /music
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08:29:31	Raptors	Do you put anything in the file?
08:29:32	webguest25	hello
08:29:45	webguest25	quick question. how do i tell gen my mini is?
08:29:49	Raptors	or just a textfile named "database.ignore"?
08:30:13	[Saint]	Raptors: it is a blank plain-text file, simple named database.ignore or database.unignore
08:30:35	[Saint]	webguest25: Google the SN
08:30:46	webguest25	im pretty sure its 2nd
08:30:52	webguest25	i did and it did not come up with anything
08:31:00	[Saint]	Or, there's an Apple Support page re: Identifying iPod models
08:31:37	[Saint]	webguest25: Does it have a touch sensitive clickwheel?
08:31:47	webguest25	yes
08:31:53	[Saint]	it's a 2nd Gen
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08:32:07	webguest25	2nd gen is supported correct?
08:32:49	webguest25	when i autodetect it doesnt come up with anything. when i manually select the device it says it cannot retrive the ipod name. any ideas?
08:34:07	webguest25	it did find my 5th gen video fine tho
08:34:11	[Saint]	Yes the Mini 2nd Gen is supported.
08:36:09	webguest25	it says "error: could not retreive device name" i do not have itunes installed? would that be a problem?
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08:36:50	JayJech	No, iTunes shouldn't be an issue
08:37:32	mlt-	...anyway. I'd appreciate if somebody can commit a patch from FS #11897. Thanks.
08:38:03	webguest25	anyone have any ideas why rockbox hates me suddenly?
08:38:33	*	[Saint] suggests trying the manual installation.
08:38:50	webguest25	unzip and copy the .rockbox file on to the ipod correct?
08:38:54	webguest25	to the root drive
08:39:06	JayJech	I did a manual installation on a 2nd gen iPod mini, I'm not sure if I had issues with Rockbox Utility or not, but manual installation worked great
08:39:11	[Saint]	that's correct, you'll also need to install the bootloader.
08:39:23	[Saint]	webguest25: ^
08:39:28	[Saint]	the manual covers this.
08:39:36	[Saint]	http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodmini1g/rockbox-build.html
08:40:01	webguest25	sorry that im such a newb..i have had rockbox on my 5th video for years now
08:40:54	JayJech	This may be helpful for installing the bootloader http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodPatcher
08:41:13	[Saint]	JayJech: The manual covers it.
08:44:02	webguest25	thank you. it seems i dont have admin rights on this comp
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08:45:45	Raptors	Done. I installed the tools thing and compiled rockbox into a full zip
08:45:59	Raptors	I already have rockbox installed so how to I remove that and put this new one on?
08:46:10	benjamin__	Awesome don't have to
08:46:19	Raptors	??
08:46:28	benjamin__	just unzip it to the root of the device
08:48:12	benjamin__	changing the boot loader code would require any thing more than that
08:49:33	Raptors	So do I delete the old .rockbox folder?
08:49:43	benjamin__	nope
08:49:52	benjamin__	you can
08:49:53	Raptors	wth
08:50:01	Raptors	It didn't work though
08:50:07	Raptors	I have Rockbox and Rockbox(2)
08:50:08	Raptors	:/
08:50:13	Raptors	.rockbox
08:50:19	Raptors	and .rockbox(2)
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08:50:32	benjamin__	"sudo apt get mc" use it
08:50:46	[Saint]	Raptors: You just "copied to"?
08:51:05	Raptors	I copied the zip to the folder and unziped it
08:51:08	Raptors	like he said
08:51:11	[Saint]	if you "extract to", and choose to replace files, it should work fine.
08:51:21	Raptors	o.....
08:51:22	Raptors	:/
08:51:24	[Saint]	well, "he" was incorrect to say so.
08:51:37	*	[Saint] missed who "he" is and what he said.
08:51:45	[Saint]	ah, right.
08:52:02	*	benjamin__ thanks [Saint] for completing his thoughts :)
08:54:04	Raptors	ugh still didn't work
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08:54:11	Raptors	I guess I'll manually delete it and unpack it
08:54:16	Raptors	instead of just putting a zip there
08:54:33	[Saint]	what does "didn't work" mean?
08:54:49	Raptors	It didn't install new one...
08:55:02	Raptors	that I compiled
08:56:39	[Saint]	right clicking the zip, and selecting "extract to <blah>" (or it's equal) should be sufficient as long as you select to replace/over-write existing files.
08:57:13	[Saint]	if not, it won't replace anything, as the filenames will all be the same.
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09:10:36	Raptors	thanks. I got it working :)
09:11:02	jhMikeS	whee \o/
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09:11:28	jhMikeS	did usb explode or is it ok?
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09:12:13	Raptors	lol
09:23:45	Raptors	Does anyone know why the top and bottom bars aren't loading form Ambiance theme?
09:23:58	Raptors	They are green opposed to black like in the pic :/
09:27:35	Raptors	Maybe it's just my display...
09:28:15	[Saint]	skin syntax will have changed, and the theme author likely isn'y actively updating the theme.
09:28:44	Raptors	The skin is from Jan 4th 2011
09:28:56	Raptors	http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=1221&target=sansafuzev2
09:29:38	Raptors	hmm I don't get that radio screen either :/
09:31:09	[Saint]	did you launch the theme with the "settings/theme settings/browse themes" menu entry?
09:31:55	Raptors	Yes
09:34:18	Raptors	Well its looks like the picture for the most part but it's greenish opposed to black
09:34:34	Raptors	and I don't get that screen for radio
09:34:58	Raptors	I get normal background and a bar
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09:58:23	Raptors	[Saint], what would you put in the .cfg to set ambiancefms.bmp as radio background?
09:58:59	Raptors	is there like a wiki page or something I can read about this?
09:59:01	[Saint]	you can't se the background for independant screens in this way.
09:59:19	[Saint]	You would need to modify the themes .fms file
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09:59:59	[Saint]	and yes, you can read about themes/theme editing in our manual.
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10:00:02	Raptors	Rockbox Radio
10:00:02	Raptors	%Vf(383838)
10:00:02	Raptors	%?tm<%Sx(Mode:) %Sx(Scan)\|%Tn [%Ti / %Tc]>
10:00:20	Raptors	:/
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10:02:04	[Saint]	the line you're looking for will start with "%X(backdrop_image_name..."
10:02:58	[Saint]	where "backdrop_image_name" is the name of the actual backdrop used.
10:03:10	Raptors	hm... its there
10:03:16	Raptors	#BG, Images and font:
10:03:17	Raptors	#
10:03:17	Raptors	%X(ambiancefms.bmp)0%\|0%\|
10:03:29	Raptors	That makes no sense though.. it's not showing up :/
10:03:51	Raptors	Could it be because I'm missing a font?
10:03:52	[Saint]	change "%X(ambiancefms.bmp)0%\|0%\|" to "%X(ambiancefms.bmp)"
10:04:07	[Saint]	that is obviously an error, though it should not prevent the theme from loading.
10:04:16	pixelma	shouldn't matter though, although it doesn't make sense
10:04:30	[Saint]	(errr...obviously an error to me ;))
10:05:11	Raptors	[Saint], could you try using the ambiance theme?
10:05:20	pixelma	[08:31:38] <[Saint]> webguest25: Does it have a touch sensitive clickwheel? <−− IIUC that's not as simple as it sounds to distinguish 1st and 2nd gen Mini for the normal users. I think both wheels are touch wheels but the 1st gen's doesn't have touch areas but that isn't used anywhere yet. There are other things like capacity printed on the back of the case and colour of the "Menu" etc. writings IIRC
10:05:24	Raptors	So we can rule out that's it's not just me
10:05:55	pixelma	[Saint]: it sounded as if the 1st gen Mini would have a mechanical wheel which isn't true
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10:20:18	pixelma	Raptors: did you install the font pack? Maybe it only fails because of a missing font
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10:23:42	Raptors	pixelma, yes
10:23:43	Raptors	I did
10:24:10	Raptors	installs font pack again
10:25:18	[Saint]	Can you please go to System/Rockbox Info and tell me the 'Skin RAM Usage" numbers?
10:25:37	[Saint]	(after loading/re-loading the theme)
10:27:08	Raptors	239/432
10:27:19	Raptors	I wish I had a camera...
10:27:35	[Saint]	Hmmmm...ok.
10:27:52	Raptors	The normal background is loading instead of the skin in the picture
10:28:14	Raptors	and instead of the giant # it's the normal radio theme
10:28:16	Raptors	with bar
10:28:39	[Saint]	"giant #"?
10:28:56	Raptors	http://themes.rockbox.org/themes/220x176/ambiance-220x176/1-Radio.png
10:29:54	[Saint]	I don't understand what "giant #" means, I know what it's supposed to look like.
10:30:40	Raptors	The big # in the middle of the theme...
10:30:53	Raptors	the radio station #
10:34:28	[Saint]	AHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
10:34:35	Raptors	Gives up
10:34:38	[Saint]	the .fms is never loaded by the .cfg ;)
10:34:44	Raptors	wtf?
10:34:59	[Saint]	load the .fms manually, it'll work fine then.
10:35:12	Raptors	How do I load it manually?
10:35:19	[Saint]	(navigate to the <themename>.fms file, and "select" it.
10:35:23	[Saint]	)
10:35:46	[Saint]	it will be in ".rockbox/wps/themename/themename.fms
10:35:50	[Saint]	"
10:36:40	Raptors	OMG
10:36:42	Raptors	Thanks!
10:37:01	[Saint]	that really wan't on my list of things to suggest ;) I don't think I have ever seen a theme include a file, but not reference it.
10:37:06	[Saint]	*wasn't
10:37:41	[Saint]	technically, I don't think that should be "legal" as far as the themesite is concerned.
10:37:50	*	[Saint] shrugs
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10:40:57	jhMikeS	"static inline int short range_decode_short(void)" in libdemac/entropy.c indeed appears like a typo
10:42:29	n1s	int short == short int / short ?
10:42:52	jhMikeS	'int short' -> 'unsigned short' fixes FS #11897
10:43:10	n1s	ah
10:43:27	n1s	i don't think i had ever seen 'int short' before
10:43:38	jhMikeS	same as "short int" or "short"
10:43:54	n1s	yes, just looked odd to me :)
10:44:08	jhMikeS	looks like it sign extends when it shouldn't
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10:45:31	jhMikeS	yes, it's unusual thus appearing like a typo :)
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10:47:55	jhMikeS	cuesheets are weird in that you can't click the cue point to start playback :\
10:48:40	Raptors	Is there a way to bookmark on stop for just Podcast/Audiobooks and not Music?
10:48:41	jhMikeS	when viewing it, at least it doesn't work when not playing
10:49:10	[Saint]	pixelma: Thanks, I knew so...but I couldn't remember the path to get to said setting/menu entry off the top of my head.
10:49:17	Raptors	basically bookmark on stop on stuff in /podcast and /audiobook
10:50:08	n1s	Raptors: you can set bookmarks amnually for the files once and tell rockbox to only update bookmarks for files that already have them
10:50:57	Raptors	It sitll doesn't make sense to have a bookmark for music though
10:51:17	n1s	don't set bookmarks on your music then
10:51:54	Raptors	I want it to automatically bookmark it on stop
10:52:41	jhMikeS	aye, it does if you want it to
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10:53:23	Raptors	jhMikeS, can you do it just for stuff in /podcast /audiobook?
10:53:27	n1s	Raptors: i told you how you can have something similar to that
10:54:01	Raptors	You guys should add something like database.ignore
10:54:02	n1s	the bookmarking has no idea about different types of content or paths, it sees only audio files
10:54:06	Raptors	but bookmark.ignore
10:54:19	[Saint]	long story short, no, you can't say "only bookmark files of types X, Y and Z...but not A, B and C"
10:54:54	[Saint]	but you can say "only update the bookmarks for files where I have created bookmarks manually"
10:55:36	Raptors	Is there a place where I can add a feature request?
10:55:55	n1s	no
10:56:05	jhMikeS	;)
10:56:14	[Saint]	There used to be...but it's "feature ideas" now IIUC
10:56:26	[Saint]	"request" makes it sound like it might happen ;)
10:56:34	Raptors	Well it'd be great if you guys can add something like database.ignore but for bookmarks
10:56:46	jhMikeS	new rule: feature request much be accompanied by a patch implementing said feature
10:56:48	Raptors	lol
10:57:12	[Saint]	actually, the las thing we need at the present is for bookmarking to get more complications ;)
10:57:47	Raptors	bookmark.ignore doesn't make it that much more complicated...
10:58:45	jhMikeS	adding a manual bookmark implements bookmark.force though
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11:01:10	Raptors	[Saint], How do I tell it to only update my bookmarks?
11:01:27	Raptors	Also is there a way to automatically resume from bookmark?
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11:05:21	Raptors	edit I think I found something that'll work
11:05:31	Raptors	Ask if you want to bookmark on stop
11:05:35	Raptors	and update on stop
11:05:52	Raptors	and resume
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15:04:51	Zagor_	apps/menus/settings_menu.c:190 looks pretty strange. why is that a big switch instead of a simple if?
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15:08:31	n1s	Zagor_: both those switches should just be if and if/else imo
15:09:13	Zagor_	yes
15:10:10	n1s	there are a few more functions with switches that have only one or two cases in that file too
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15:12:11	Zagor_	it looks like JdGordon has/had a switch fetish :)
15:12:17	n1s	:)
15:13:15	sideral	that's timely info, I'm writing a settings callback function right now
15:13:35	sideral	I'll try to avoid that style
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15:20:55	JdGordon\|	Zagor_: so what if i do?! :p
15:21:11	JdGordon\|	most probably its from copy+pasting, and incase other actions ened handling
15:21:20	JdGordon\|	its just easier and the compiler will make it sensible anyway
15:23:42	Zagor_	let's just say I disagree :)
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16:09:41	Zagor_	hmm. libfaad is using utin8_t for its' loop variables. that doesn't look very good.
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16:25:22	Zagor_	apps/codecs/libasf/asf.c:132:5: warning: expression result unused
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16:28:35	gevaerts	looks like a real bug
16:28:46	Zagor_	yes
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16:52:04	pamaury	did someone try to compile rockbox using clang ? Wasn't there an attempt some month ago ?
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17:14:47	Sochiro	hey
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17:15:31	Sochiro	is there another way to get a copy of the source, except for svn checkout? I've been trying to checkout the source since yesterday, for some reason its working incredibly slow
17:15:51	gevaerts	there's a git mirror
17:16:24	Sochiro	what's git?
17:17:38	Sochiro	ah, found it, i'll give it a shot
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17:47:53	Sochiro	gevaerts, git works a lot better, thanks!
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18:45:55	fyrestorm	whats the usb status of the fuzev2?
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18:54:31	newClipUser	hello, I think I've damaged my clip plus. The main chip/cpu overheats as soon as the player got power from the battery, It gets burning hot! luckily my clip draws pwer from an external battery and I can cut off the power with a switch. But the clip plus is still works fine as a flashdrive when connected to the pc (display still working)
18:55:51	newClipUser	do you think this can be a software error that can be resolved by reinstalling the firmware and rockbox? (I'm downloading the firmware right now to try it)
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19:01:33	L-Strife89	newClipUser: I'm tempted to say that your Clip's battery might have a short somewhere
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19:06:18	CIA-7	New commit by 03thomasjfox (r29210): Added thomasjfox to COMMITTERS. Woot!
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19:11:58	L-Strife89	Didn't most build rounds used to complete in <150 seconds?
19:14:18	*	thomasjfox kicks CIA-7. Work harder!
19:14:18	L-Strife89	All the builds I've seen today were in the realm of 220 seconds
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19:28:04	pamaury	gevaerts: is there usb controller for the gigabeat fx using the s3c2440 controller ?
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19:34:02	n1s	L-Strife89: some of roolku's clients did builds that took > 100s so they are probably seeing some oher load which takes time away from building
19:35:13	n1s	(if you click the build time on the build page you can see stats
19:35:16	n1s	)
19:37:21	n1s	3-4 minutes to build all 180 builds is still pretty awesome imo :)
19:39:19	Sochiro	gah, why is the source download so slow, 11kb/sec :o
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20:08:40	kugel	pamaury: I think no, but the mini2440 uses the s3c2440 usb controller
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20:12:34	pamaury	it the code in the tree ? I can't find it
20:13:47	kugel	seems I misremembered
20:13:55	pamaury	and the config.h file suggest there is no usb driver implemented for the s3c2440
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20:14:15	kugel	I think the datasheet describes it thouigh
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20:22:01	Ambuj	Hi
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20:24:14	Ambuj	I am a senior undergraduate in India, I am using Rockbox on my 5.5 G iPod Video, I work primarily on Embedded Systems inparticular an application of Wireless Sensor Network, I have taken electives related to Embedded Systems, Some Signal Processing and Advanced Networks
20:24:21	Ambuj	I want to contribute to development of Rockbox
20:24:28	Ambuj	how should I begin ?
20:24:28	AlexP	Cool, jump in
20:24:40	AlexP	Find something you want to fix or implement, and do it
20:24:50	Ambuj	ok
20:25:09	Ambuj	I was reading some of the lists, what is status of Rockbox on Google Android
20:25:11	AlexP	If it is a new feature, it is probably a good idea to mention it first, just to make sure you are not wasting your time
20:25:20	Ambuj	is it something that could be pursued ?
20:25:24	Ambuj	ok
20:25:29	AlexP	It runs fine, but there are always things to do
20:25:44	AlexP	kugel is the guy to speak to about that
20:25:49	Ambuj	ok
20:26:03	Ambuj	I will see the progress, and would find things that I can work on.
20:26:35	AlexP	yep, everyone just works on stuff that interests them
20:26:52	Ambuj	yeah,I think I will start with bugfixes
20:27:08	Ambuj	that should help me understand portion of code better, before starting to implement something new
20:27:39	AlexP	sounds good :)
20:27:52	Ambuj	anyways, thanks :)
20:27:59	AlexP	no worries, have fun :)
20:28:04	Ambuj	I hope I am able to contribute something to Rockbox community
20:28:15	Ambuj	loved it on my iPod, the best part was being able to play FLAC :D
20:29:18	AlexP	heh :)
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21:05:55	Raptors	Can you create the speak file on the player?
21:06:02	Raptors	I don't have a mic for my computer
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23:24:06	wowwee	does rockbox have any noise cancelling plugin or an idea for noise canceling w/o buying something expensive?
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