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#rockbox log for 2011-02-23

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00:09:16*jhMikeS wonders if it matters anyway since the handles have to be added for remaining data to increase
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00:15:12CIA-70New commit by 03rmenes (r29382): Enable installation for the GoGear HDD16x0 and HDD63x0.
00:15:46LambdaCalculus37That last commit was for Rockbox utility. :)
00:19:06CIA-70r29382 build result: All green
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00:29:25scorcheAlexP: Llorean: Torne: i am around now if there is something in particular that needs to be asked..
00:30:43Lloreanscorche: What needs to be done so that someone (presumably AlexP) can add membergroups? Also, do the permissions relating to Karma (I think under membergroup permissions) allow positive karma mods only, and can membergroups be created to be applied based on Karma rather than post count?
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00:34:30scorcheLlorean: i dont think membergroups can be based off of karma - it seems that positive karma mods only is possible per "Whether or not groups of members can smite others is controlled by a permission."
00:34:58*scorche wonders why we are interested in karma
00:35:25Lloreanscorche: Thinking of removing postcount, but it might be nice to have a badge for people who've been around / been helpful
00:35:48LloreanIf only positive karma is allowed, and the badge were awarded at a small amount (+5 or so) it'd make a relatively easy way to hand it out without having to have someone tasked to it constantly
00:36:04LloreanBasically anyone who's even moderately helpful soon automatically graduates into a "not a new member" status of whatever we call it.
00:36:08scorcheLlorean: it would be nice to remove post count and just have something similar to how, say, the ubuntu forums display "rank"
00:36:23LloreanLooks like there may be mods for karma based membergroups
00:36:26LloreanHow does Ubuntu handle it?
00:36:37kugeljhMikeS: hm strange
00:37:10kugelbutton_read_device is called a few couple times, but the queue_post() doesn't come through
00:37:12JdGordon1how do i put a local label in a arm macro?
00:37:18scorchewell, they show the post count too, but they have an image of beans, coffee drinks, etc - i just pulled up a random thread here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1588889
00:37:35jhMikeSkugel: you mean no message is posted?
00:37:38scorcheLlorean: i suppose the question i should be asking is what is the problem we are trying to solve by doing this?
00:38:00kugeljhMikeS: if I wait few ms after calling main, then button_read_device is called a few times. but then even waiting a further 500ms isn't sufficient for the queue_post
00:38:28kugelwaiting 1000ms works
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00:39:09Lloreanscorche: Someone asked why it was enabled in the first place, and I told him that back when I was first reorganizing things I felt it should stay because to a minor degree, it can help indicate when someone might be more likely to know things (because they've been active) but that it might be nice to have some better way of determining active/helpful people
00:39:37LloreanAnd we started thinking in the direction of Karma, since being able to flag posts as "helpful" would do a similar job, but better, and "unhelpful" flags don't accomplish anything useful, so we could leave that aspect out entirely
00:39:56LloreanSo rather than "post count" we rank on "useful post count"
00:40:15kugeljhMikeS: yes, I don'T see my MEDIA_BUTTON_PLAYPAUSE handled in default_event_handler()
00:40:56jhMikeSkugel: so the the "interrupt" isn't happening unless you wait long enough?
00:41:35kugelit is happening (queue_post is called), the message must get dropped somewhere if I don't wait long enough before even posting it
00:42:01jhMikeSis the queue overflowing?
00:42:44kugelhopefully not. is that likely/expected at startup?
00:43:36jhMikeScould happen at startup if buttons aren't read for long enough
00:45:40jhMikeSproblem is, this sounds like the opposite problem...
00:45:55kugelwhat would be on the queue in this state?
00:46:12kugelit should have nothing (except perhaps BUTTON_NONE) IIUC
00:46:20jhMikeSin what state?
00:46:46kugelstartup
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00:47:03jhMikeSonce the tick starts calling button_read_device then it can start posting events
00:47:08kugelit probably takes a while until something calls button_get() but it shouldn't lose what's on the queue
00:47:39kugelthat doesn't seem to work here
00:48:55jhMikeSmake it with the KERNEL_ASSERT enabled, it should tell if the queue overflows
00:49:52jhMikeSI can't think of any other usual reason a queue_post could lose message
00:52:02kugeljhMikeS: I build with KERNEL_ASSERT, apparently. I'm using a -DDEBUG build
00:52:28jhMikeSsome other call clearing out messages?
00:53:08jhMikeSif it's not an overflow, then they should be there
00:56:39kugeljhMikeS: oh indeed, something is calling button_clear_queue()
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00:59:50kugeljhMikeS: hah, main.c, a blatant call to it :) it's only for hosted platforms, I guess it can be removed
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01:02:13*jhMikeS suspected such
01:02:39kugelworks alright now
01:02:45jhMikeSwas amiconn talking about regular targets or just the hosted?
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01:05:19*jhMikeS can't seem to queue resume from the logo on a native build
01:05:48kugelhe was talking about native
01:07:17jhMikeSdoes a native build have a button_queue_clear elsewhere only for that?
01:07:43kugelI didn't see one, and queue resume worked when I tried a few minutes ago
01:07:56kugelmy build wasn't the latest but not too out of date either
01:13:22jhMikeShmmm...seems to not work on gigabeats but fuzev2 and e200 are fine :\
01:14:16jhMikeSH10 does it
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01:35:01CIA-70New commit by 03jethead71 (r29383): Gigabeat S: Smoother bootup. Don't do full drive reset at boot since it's not really a coldstart. Seems to work alright in both the bootloader and ...
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01:38:39CIA-70r29383 build result: All green
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01:43:27pixelmajhMikeS: HD vs. flash targets?
01:44:01pixelmathough the H10 doesn't fit
01:45:43jhMikeSFit into what, my shoe? H10 queued the resume just fine too.
01:46:39pixelmainto the theory that flash targets are fine and HD ones are not
01:47:18jhMikeSyeah but H10 _does it_ and flash targets don't do it
01:48:41*pixelma gives up
01:48:45jhMikeSnothing works on the beast, the beast works on *it*
01:48:59jhMikeSfirst time I heard you say that :)
01:49:36pixelmahuh, it might help to specify "it"
01:53:57jhMikeSthe "*it*" is the queued resume from the logo−− pressing the resume button before reaching the main menu and having it resume (and what amiconn said no longer worked)
01:56:01jhMikeSthe 2nd "it" being "the player under test", of which a few were checked, in previous remarks.
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02:10:57CIA-70New commit by 03kugel (r29384): Android: ...
02:11:21sptruseanybody out there?
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02:12:54CIA-70New commit by 03rmenes (r29385): Rockbox Utility: Move the USB ID for the HDD16x0 into the right place.
02:13:46sptrusei haz question
02:14:22LambdaCalculus37bluebroth3r: Think we should release a new Rockbox Utility version soon?
02:14:39CIA-70r29384 build result: All green
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02:18:23CIA-70r29385 build result: All green
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02:33:54RoastedHey guys. Ever since I installed Rockbox on my mp3 player, if I go into regular mode on my Sandisk Sansa Fuze, I see about 3 of the 80 bands I have listed. Is it expected that if you install Rockbox, you SHOULDNT be using regular mode for anything? Because Rockbox mode works fine. However, I'm not sure if I want to use it, because regular mode shows onboard memory + micro sd card items in the SAME batch. Rockbox splits it. :(
02:35:24krazykitif you use the database, the the onboard and SD files won't be split like in the directory browser
02:35:37Roastedhm, the database...
02:35:58Roastedwill I have to store the files differently?
02:36:06Roastedor will I do everything as I did before?
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02:38:33krazykitthe manual should explain how to you use the database. you shouldn't have to do anything special
02:38:36Roastedhm I think I got a hold of it now. just rebooting it.
02:38:51Roastedkrazykit, question unrelated to rockbox itself. What media player do you use for managing your portable devices?
02:39:09RoastedI'm having quite a time finding one that works without me obtaining a headache. I seem to have different, but small issues on all different players.
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02:50:03krazykitRoasted, i don't use any special software.
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03:14:04Roastedoh wow. I need my actual songs to be ID tagged for the DB to see them?
03:14:13RoastedIt won't just list what it finds there but insteads labels each one as "untagged"
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03:26:55krazykitRoasted, well, the whole point of the database is to use the metadata, so yes.
03:27:32Roastedyeah I have a lot of homework ahead of me
03:27:35RoastedI only ever used artist tags
03:27:45Roastednot thinking it's worth it... the last system worked fine... thanks though
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03:38:54Roastedalso, is music - scan removable media supposed to do anything? cause it doesn't appear to do much of anything on my end.
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03:39:46LambdaCalculus37Hmmm, strange... my HDD1630 isn't being seen by OS X when I hook it via USB while in Rockbox.
03:39:56Roastedoh wow
03:39:58Roastedwrong chat, lol
03:40:00Roastedignore the last msg
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06:14:08nirvany way to get the Monster iCarPlay Wireless 200 car adapter working with the ipod video? Every rockbox version so far basically becomes unusable when plugging it in using any options
06:15:11saratogaprobably not, if it doesn't work, its usually because the device uses some protocol thats not yet reverse engineered
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07:43:47amiconnjhMikeS: I've been talking about native targets only. Queueing resume (or other actions) used to work on all targets. Now it doesn't anymore
07:45:39*amiconn should probably try it on all his various targets; it may help tracking down the bug
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10:16:25CIA-70New commit by 03dave (r29386): Add missing SVN properties
10:16:55linuxstbkugel_: There are lots of files you've added to SVN without any properties set...
10:19:57CIA-70r29386 build result: All green
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10:22:29pixelmalinuxstb: git users they said...
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10:23:03linuxstbpixelma: That's no excuse...
10:23:22pixelmaI think so too but
10:23:36nirvi want to see (r29387): Add support for Monster iCarPlay Wireless 200 for iPod Video G5.
10:24:58pixelmapeople can only work on hardware they have
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10:30:29markunI changed the balance setting to be in dB instead of %. Does anyone else think this is a good idea?
10:31:42n1smarkun: sounds sensible, is the setting in 0.1dB steps (centibels(?))?
10:32:37markunn1s: I had that at first, but changed it to 0.5 now. I don't know what the max resolution of most audio hardware is.
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10:39:15markunn1s: I only changed it for the as3514 in my clip+ and apperently the smallest steps are 1.5dB ..
10:46:57n1sah, maybe the stepsize should be depending on the capability of the hw then, i just thought 1dB steps would be a bit coarse
10:51:29markunActually it didn't sound too bad with 1dB steps. I will do some more testing. Too bad that the balance might jump a bit when changing the volume.
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12:59:08linuxstbmarkun: I'm not sure about your balance change. Isn't it more normal/useful to measure balance in terms of a percentage?
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13:25:54markunlinuxstb: I made that change after talking to someone who had a few dB less hearing in one ear. He complained that the balance doesn't stay constant when the volume is changed in rockbox.
13:26:08markunnot sure how it's done in other elsewhere
13:27:24linuxstbmarkun: Ah, so he wants one channel constantly xdB louder than the other, rather than a percentage louder?
13:28:22funmani think dfkt is using the balance this way (less hearing on one ear), you could ask him for advice
13:28:53markunfunman: yes, it was dfkt I was talking to :)
13:30:19markunin such a case, if you own more than one rockbox device it's nice if you can just have the same setting everywhere
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13:44:53mshathlonxp radio: "No settings found. Autoscan?" <- is that question to search settings file or scan radiostations?
13:45:37LinusNmshathlonxp: scan radio stations
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14:29:51mourenHello, I have just done battery bench on my Fuzev1. What I need to do to be accepted as wiki editor, so I can add new benchmark result?
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14:31:04pixelmayou already did the right thing and came here. What is your wiki user name?
14:31:32pixelmamouren: ^
14:31:37mourenTomaszCetnarowski
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14:37:30pixelmayou actually should be allowed to edit now but it looks like your registration isn't finished completely - it seems to be broken since a recent wiki software update. I'm trying to find out if there's a way to help you from my side
14:38:13pixelma[Saint]: what was it - creating the user name page by hand? And what about permissions?
14:38:31pixelma(in case you have a few minutes)
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14:42:47mourenI have already find out that my user page is empty, I started to looking for an example
14:43:50mourenbut good to know that it should automaticaly fill it with some content
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14:49:31[Saint]pixelma: I found it sufficient to create the page by hand, then import the default user template thing, and fill in the username.
14:50:01[Saint]then when I passed it off to the user, his login automagically worked.
14:50:31pixelmaif you have some time, maybe you could help out mouren here (TomaszCetnarowski), please? :)
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14:51:32[Saint]I'll have a look now.
14:52:08mouren[Saint]: I've already tried to look for default user template, but I failed, can you guide me where to look for it?
14:52:13mourenOkay.
14:53:18[Saint]can you please log out of the wiki page Thomasz
14:53:27[Saint]I cannot edit it and fix it if you're trying to.
14:54:00[Saint]oh, hmmm...nevermind.
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14:55:26[Saint]mouren: are you Tomasz Cetnarowski?
14:55:36mourenum, I can't find any "logout"
14:55:39[Saint]If so, can you please try log in to your wiki page now.
14:55:57mourenOk, one moment
14:56:05[Saint]just leave the page, then you should be able to sign in and edit your profile.
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14:57:00mourenAlright, I have a form to fill now on my page
14:57:10[Saint]excellent.
14:57:20[Saint]you should be able to edit that, and other pages now.
14:57:34[Saint]good luck, thankyou for contributing, don't break our wiki ;)
14:57:45mourenofcourse, thanks for your help ;)
14:58:00[Saint]No worries.
14:58:05[Saint]pixelma: all done.
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15:51:44AlexPscorche: It was a couple of things: one Llorean covered, the other is that I would like to add a group (one for now, but possible more in the future), and change/add badges (for artist and the new one for now).
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17:33:27gbl08maCIA-70 says r29387 build result is all green but I see lots of reds on http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi on the Revision table.
17:34:09gbl08maI can't compile my trunk either. It seems it only compiles correctly on targets without MPEG-player - or am I seeing wrong?
17:34:22gevaertsYou're looking at the delta table
17:35:22gbl08maso, the problem is on my code modifications? it's strange because i never touched the playback nor MPEG player codes.
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17:35:53gbl08mait compiled fine r29380 yesterday.
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17:37:20gevaertsEither that or your build directory is messed up
17:37:47gevaertsDid you re-run configure without make clean first?
17:38:06gbl08maI just made a "make reconf" before compiling this, because yesterday it warned me to do so. i have done make reconf many times without problems.
17:38:08gbl08mano i didn't re-run configure
17:38:17gbl08maperhaps that's the problem.
17:38:19jhMikeSyou have to make clean because the dependencies will be wrong after moving files
17:38:57gbl08mafrom r29380 to 29387 any files were moved?
17:39:41jhMikeSI moved libmpeg2 files to a subdir in mpegplayer which requires a clean build or mpegplayer won't make
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17:47:41gbl08maI did make clean && make reconf && make and now I'm waiting.
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17:53:55gbl08manow it compiled. Thanks for your help. Next time I won't forget to do make clean before building.
17:55:34Tornewell you don't often actually *need* to make clean
17:55:46Torneonly a small set of possible changes require it, the rest of the time the makefile will do the right thing
17:55:57Torneif your computer is fast enough that building from clean isn't a problem, though, then hey
17:57:11gbl08mai know i don't need to clean the build directory every time, I meant that next time it returns errors while compiling i'll do a make clean first.
17:58:02gbl08mabefore asking for help
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18:26:37kugelI have dynamic system statusbar toggling on android almost working; but there's a brief "flash" when it's enabled
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20:41:48n1sAlexP: sould people add stuff they fixed to the list in the release notes?
20:43:47mshathlonxpdespite reading manual I can't understand what "presplit gap" value affects, can someone explain it to me?
20:44:54pixelmaI believe it's one of the settings for triggered recording, got to look it up
20:45:59pixelmathere's also http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TriggerManual#Presplit_gap
20:46:25kugelthomasjfox: ping
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20:47:24AlexPn1s: Certainly, please everyone add/remove/change/fix etc.
20:47:38AlexPI got a bit bored :)
20:47:57mshathlonxppixelma yeah, in ipod's manual is exactly the same txt
20:48:06n1sAlexP: ah, found the task i was thinking of in the big text dump, i'll just pull it out and fix the style
20:48:23mshathlonxpand I still don't understand for what is this setting :D
20:48:43AlexPn1s: That is one of the things I got bored doing, hence the non-formatted dump :)
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20:53:24pixelmamshathlonxp: if I understand correctly it's similar to the stop hold setting, just that it'll split the recording (close current file and start a new). You set a duration in which the volume needs to below the set threshold to make sure it doesn't trigger on each and every peak
20:54:06mshathlonxpyeah, I started to think similarly
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20:54:29mshathlonxplooks like there's no better way than learning rockbox than by translating it :)
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20:56:34kugelpixelma: I guess it hasn't been written with potential scrolling in mind. it doesn't scroll on my phone
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20:59:10pixelmapossibly - and it's not a very big problem as it fits in portrait mode on my phone too. A fix would be nice for correctness I think though
20:59:41kugelping dionoea about the widget :)
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21:04:33n1sAlexP: i did the things i was invloved in now :)
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21:19:08dionoeakugel: hi. Sorry, I haven't had a look yet :/ I'll give it a try in a few minutes
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21:23:47thomasjfoxkugel: pong. I'm on the phone, will get back to you soon
21:28:42dionoeakugel: Ah cool :) your latest commit is awesome!
21:34:56kugeldionoea: it is?
21:35:31kugelah yea, you probably mean the second point
21:35:51dionoeaindeed
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21:41:50*TheSeven is experiencing some rather nasty playback/buffering oddities today
21:42:09TheSevensome might be coming from HDD/FAT driver problems, but some others certainly can't, and are probably present in 3.8RC as well
21:43:05TheSeveni have a ~30 minute track, which can be fully buffered into RAM, and set the repeat mode to "one"
21:43:51TheSevenit rarely ever survives two iterations of it before there is either a glitch, dropout, random skip or even kernel lockup
21:44:57TheSevenand also drive spinup/down seems to be errativ
21:45:00TheSevenerratic*
21:45:23gbl08maperhaps it has something to do with FS #11863? just suggesting... does it also happen when playing shorter tracks (4~5 mins)?
21:45:37gbl08maand only while in "repeat one" mode?
21:45:43TheSevena spindown between each track being buffered, but a spinup on things like opening the WPS context menu or browsing through folders, even though dircache is enabled
21:46:29TheSevengbl08ma: playing several smaller tracks of an album seems to work comparatively well, but actively skipping around causes lots of trouble, which might be coming from the fat/storage layer though
21:46:45gevaertsTheSeven: I don't think the playback system is smart enough to reuse that same RAM buffer over and over without rebuffering
21:47:00TheSevenoh, and things like changing the volume sometimes seem to cause disk spinups
21:47:07TheSevensomething can't be quite right with that
21:47:18gbl08mawell it looks like it has everything to do with HDD driver, it doesn't match much with the bug I suggested.
21:47:19n1sgevaerts: it definitely isn't
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21:47:59TheSevengevaerts: I happened to be in the buffering debug screen while one of the fuckups happened, and saw that at the beginning of one playback iteration, it had like ~2MB useful of ~30MB buffered
21:48:30TheSeventhat then ran down until near-zero, spun up the drive, skipped back to the beginning of the track, and rebuffered it multiple times, until the buffer was full
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21:49:06TheSevenlike a minute after that (without me touching anything) the kernel froze, and audio output started looping the last DMA chunk
21:49:22TheSeven(which is the expected behavior if DMA IRQs aren't handled any more)
21:49:30amiconn"Repeat one" just buffers the same track again and again, like it would handle "repeat all" with a one-track playlist
21:49:45bertrikI wonder sometimes whether we should unit-test stuff in rockbox
21:50:10TheSevenalso skipping between is very sluggish, seems like the PCM buffer has to run out before anything happens or something
21:50:23amiconnCrossfade enabled?
21:50:31TheSevennope
21:50:51dionoeakugel: you were getting the stop button all the time right?
21:51:11TheSevenand also there is some weird behavior with playback jumping into the middle of tracks sometimes, but that might actually be one of sideral's features
21:51:15kugelwhat do you mean?
21:51:27dionoeakugel: in the KeyEvent.
21:51:34dionoeawell not stop button but stop event
21:51:43dionoeaor keycode (or whatever)
21:52:04TheSevenany idea why navigating through the directory tree always spins up the drive? (and locks up the gui until the drive is accessible)
21:52:46kugeldionoea: I think it was prev in some other combination
21:53:10dionoeaI'm getting next
21:53:18pamauryTheSeven: this is strange since the browser reads the directory once and cache the result iirc
21:53:19kugelanyway, whatever the exact button was, it was always the same
21:53:32dionoeahum, in the logs: 22:44 < kugel> no, the keycode is wrong (always stop button)
21:53:53TheSevenpamaury: even going back to the parent directory with dircache enabled spins up the disk
21:54:19pamauryhum, this is really strange, that defeats the whoel purpose of dircache :)
21:54:25kugeldionoea: yea, but with a (slightly) different code I got some other button
21:54:32dionoeaah ok
21:54:48kugelI couldn't spot a pattern
21:55:46dionoeaweird. I'm still getting next although i removed all references to KEYCODE_MEDIA* in the source.
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21:56:22TheSevenarrrrrr... even scrolling in a list spins up the drive!
21:56:32TheSevenideas?
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21:56:53pamauryI'm looking at it but that could be anything
21:56:53kugeldionoea: next for all buttons you press?
21:56:59dionoeayes
21:57:40kugelI thought it perhaps has something to do with the time events are instantiated in
21:57:49pamaurybut afaik, the list is displayed using the list gui control, but created once, so scrolling shouldn't do anything !
21:58:30TheSeventhe only thing i could imagine would be storage idle notifys being spammed all around, and the spinups then being caused by the settings layer
21:58:44kugelall are created at the same time, at widget update time, not at button press time. perhaps the system confuses the keyevents
21:59:33kugelI didn't see a possibility to make it create them at button press time
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22:01:23dionoeaI don't think that you can. PendingIntents are only created at layout creation time as far as I can tell
22:01:45pixelmaTheSeven: voice enabled? Although it still shouldn't spin up the drive with dircache enabled I think
22:02:37DreamxtremeI keep getting data aborts when i goto the database page
22:02:44Dreamxtremeon 3.8RC
22:04:46TheSevenpixelma: nope
22:05:25*Strife89 throws out http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,27302.0.html to Fuze enthusiasts.
22:07:02pamauryTheSeven: just stumbled on this in apps/tree.c:
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22:07:10gevaertsDreamxtreme: which target? Have you checked the filesystem?
22:07:11pamaury if (button && !IS_SYSEVENT(button))
22:07:12pamaury storage_spin();
22:07:12pamauryno idea what it means ;)
22:07:28TheSeventhat means something nasty :/
22:07:43Dreamxtremegevaerts Ipod video
22:08:06Dreamxtremeand before 3.8RC it was fine
22:08:08casainhopamaury: hello :-) −− how is going imx233 port?
22:08:51TheSevenpamaury: indeed, storage_spin() is called for every step of clickwheel movement in file browsers
22:08:58TheSevenany idea what this is good for?
22:09:08pamaurycasainho: I've progressed a bit in the fuze+ disassembly but to be honest I've been quite busy. However, I'm in the process of buying a fuze+ so it will motivate me :) And you ?
22:09:13dionoeakugel: could it be due to the (KeyEvent) cast ? (it seems to work fine when you use it after creating the intent in the widget code but you never know)
22:09:28TheSevengevaerts: what's the exact semantics of storage_spin()?
22:09:31pamauryTheSeven: I did the hard job: why how :) Now you need to find why ?
22:09:35gevaertsTheSeven: no idea
22:09:49TheSevenis there any documentation on that kind of thing?
22:09:55casainhopamaury: I just stoped, because I don't have enough knowledge to develop bootloader for imx233.
22:10:07TheSevenalso storage_spindown vs. storage_close?
22:10:07mshathlonxpwhat does do function "Recursively Insert Directories" ?
22:10:10casainhopamaury: I am beginner in firmware
22:11:02TheSevenhm, judging from other storage drivers, ata_spin is intended to reset the idle timeout, but not actually spin the drive if it isn't spinning yet
22:11:10TheSevenvery clever naming :/
22:11:24pamaurycasainho: starting with a bootloader is indeed quite a task :) Hopefully, in the case of the fuze+, we can reuse the bootloader of the OF, which does the memory init for example
22:11:57casainhopamaury: and, I were told that Adafruit Industries (Lady Ada) will develop and sell an OpenSource DAP. They already sell a Chubmy Hacker board with imx233, I hope they use imx233 for their OpenSource DAP ;-)
22:12:07TheSevenso it seems to be like this:
22:12:13TheSevenata_spindown: set spindown timeout
22:12:13AlexPmshathlonxp: If you add a directory to a playlist then it will also add all subdirectories (and their subdirectories etc.)
22:12:39TheSevenata_sleep: schedule an asynchronous spindown
22:12:50casainhopamaury: my problem now is the imx233 tools to make a SB file... I can't make a SB file from Rockbox ELF file :-(
22:12:53TheSevenata_sleepnow: synchronously spin down, but also call the idle callbacks before
22:12:56pamauryvery nice naming ;) So I didn't slove you problem
22:13:09TheSevenata_spin: reset the idle timeout, but don't actually spin up
22:13:59pamaurycasainho: you need the elftosb tool I guess, but it can expect a precise layout. I already wrote a "sbtoelf" for rockbox, but I plan to write a custom "elftosb" too because relying on closed source code is bad
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22:15:41pamauryTheSeven: so this code means to reset the idle timeout ?
22:23:08saratogabertrik: I've wanted (and I think I proposed as a GSOC project one year) a way to do testing of the buffering code on PC via an external script of operations (e.g. start track 1, skip 10 seconds, enqueue playlist, ...)
22:23:21TheSevenpamaury: apparently yes
22:23:36TheSevenit wants to keep the disk spinning if it's spinning, but not spin it up if it isn't spinning
22:23:56TheSeveni've fixed the interpretation of that function in my driver now, let's see if things get better
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22:25:16stripwaxwith a bit of logging in pictureflow, it seems it reads pfraw files way too often. specifically, seems to want to reload the same ones over and over in some cases. i'll dig in but it certainly could explain why it seems dog slow on ipod video
22:25:36TheSevenwoah, rockbox is way more responsive now
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22:26:13pamauryTheSeven: so the problem was that you misinterpretation of the names ?
22:26:16casainhopamaury: I don't have knowledge to understand why closed source elftosb tool doesn't work with Rockbox bootloader ELF file... at least, that Opensource version you plan to wrote, I would be able to try understand the sources or even ask help to you ;-)
22:26:43Strife89saratoga: Fixin' to post a reply for the friend; all he has for Net access at the moment is a PS3.
22:26:44pamaurycasainho: you have tried the closed source one but it didn't work ?
22:26:46Strife89Here
22:26:55Strife89's hoping it really is just a loose cable
22:27:09casainhopamaury: yes
22:27:19saratogaStrife89: i'd carefully open the player and see if the ribbon fell out of the connector
22:27:24amiconnpamaury, TheSeven: The storage_spin() for button presses isn't nasty at all. It is deliberate and implements desirable behaviour
22:27:31saratogabe aware though that if you pull the ribbon out by accident you can rip it very easily
22:27:43saratogaand its very hard to get back in place (i had to use tweasers)
22:27:48TheSevenamiconn: it's actually the function name that's nasty, as it leads to severe misinterpretations
22:27:48pamauryI think there is a verbose option (-v) which allows you to see what elftosb does (a little bit) but the problem could be pretty much anywhere
22:27:58casainhopamaury: hey, it works with costum code generated from a Makefile, example code from Chumby, blink LED code
22:28:01amiconnIt keeps the disk spinning if it already is spinning as long as the user keeps mashing buttons
22:28:14amiconnHow so?
22:28:31TheSevenstorage_spin suggests that it spins up the disk if it isn't spinning
22:29:02amiconnIt doesn't say spinup...
22:29:19TheSevenso there is basically no way to spin it up from "userland" code in preparation for something, without issueing an actual access?
22:29:33pamaurycasainho: I don't follow, it works with an example code but not with your code ?
22:29:34amiconnnope
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22:30:23amiconnstorage_spin() has been called like this (apart from renaming the first part from ata_ to storage_) for many years
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22:30:47casainhopamaury: it works with my example blink LED code running from external SDRAM (code borrow from Chumby) BUT it don't work with the same code as compiled to be Rockbox bootloader
22:31:25casainhopamaury: elftosb gives some error while trying to create sb file, using Rockbox bootloader elf file
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22:31:57pamaurycasainho: can you paste those errors on pastebin or something ?
22:32:49saratogaperhaps "storage_cont_spin" would be more clear to someone unfamiliar with the code?
22:33:25pamaurywe don't want clear naming ! unclear naming rules !!!! ;)
22:33:46*amiconn dislikes functions_which_bear_their_entire_description_as_part_of_their_name(void)
22:34:07saratogaits just 5 extra characters
22:34:16saratoganot too ridiculously java-like IMO
22:34:34stripwaxstorage_keep_spinning
22:34:43pamaurystorage_rtfm_1() ;)
22:34:47stripwaxha
22:35:10thomasjfoxkugel: back (finally)
22:35:29dionoeakugel: ping
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22:40:00dionoeakugel: fixed it! (seems hackish but it works)
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22:44:03*TheSeven just had a sudden random skip in the middle of a ~20 second looped track
22:44:57dionoeakugel: http://pastie.org/1599751 (based on your previous patch)
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22:50:36saratogai really need to dig back into those mp3 optimizations
22:50:51saratogareally not that far from having them working
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22:52:20dionoeakugel: http://pastie.org/1599787 also fixes it (even though the documentation mentions that the requestCode argument to getService isn't used)
22:52:20dionoeathis seems to be known: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=863
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23:00:21dionoeakugel: if you read the logs: The second solution seems cleaner. At least we're not faking anything
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23:05:43saratogahttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes38
23:05:48saratogai just added about a dozen things to this
23:05:52saratogabut we're probably missing a lot
23:06:04saratogaif you worked on rockbox these past few months be sure to update it with what you did
23:08:17saratogai guess i'll mail the committers list
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23:10:37gevaertssaratoga: why not -dev?
23:10:55saratogai think more people pay attention to committers
23:11:03pixelmasaratoga: 2MB of RAM ;)
23:11:11saratoga?
23:11:13gevaertsThat's not what -committers is for
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23:12:15pixelmasaratoga: that's the amount of RAM the supported hwcodec players have
23:12:18saratogaah
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23:12:22saratogai thought 1 MB for some reason
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23:18:54kugeldionoea: what did the first one diffently?
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23:19:06kugelanyway, if the second one works, great
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23:20:42kugelthomasjfox: did you see my message?
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23:20:55thomasjfoxkugel: no. let me check the logs
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23:21:28thomasjfoxkugel: except the ping, I ponged you back ;)
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23:23:04kugelthomasjfox: I had a quick go at the statusbar thingy. it works, apart from a brief shift-down of the UI I don't know how to fix (likely android-related). and I find it a bit awkward to see the android statusbar in rockbox
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23:23:46thomasjfoxkugel: Let me check your repo
23:24:03kugelthomasjfox: let me push it
23:24:07thomasjfoxkugel: :)
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23:29:24amiconnthomasjfox: (in case you didn't know yet) Apparently you can call native gcc, as etc by using 'host-gcc', 'host-as' etc
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23:29:51amiconnThis may help speeding up the build process (iirc 'configure' has variables for the host tools as well)
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23:30:31amiconnEh, I'm talking about scratchbox, in case that was unclear ;)
23:30:59kugel_amiconn: IIRC prefixes the cross tools, and assumes plain gcc is for the host
23:31:12thomasjfoxamiconn: I already guess that. Or you are watching my repo and found out about by new pet project I just commited a minute ago...
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23:31:27amiconnkugel_: ...which is not true for maemo scratchbox
23:31:44*amiconn certainly isn't watching any git repo
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23:31:53thomasjfoxamiconn: good :)
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23:32:05kugel_amiconn: I know
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23:32:34thomasjfoxamiconn: I guess it won't make much of a speed difference, gcc and others are just a symlink in scratchbox
23:32:50thomasjfoxkugel: Your implementation is quite modular already
23:32:52gevaertsthomasjfox: it will
23:33:03gevaertsthomasjfox: the point is that the resulting binaries won't be emulated
23:33:18kugelthomasjfox: yea, I had maemo in my mind :)
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23:34:03*kugel still thinks the fast build would still to not build under scratchbox in the first place :)
23:34:34thomasjfoxgevaerts: thanks, now I get it
23:34:41kugelIIUC scratchbox is meant as a convinience environment to build stuff that's not cross compiling aware. that's not the case for us
23:34:45thomasjfoxamiconn: Might be worth a try
23:35:27amiconnEverything is loop-mounted and symlinked in scratchbox. Imo it's a royal mess compared to the rockbox cross-compilation environment (which supports more architectures)...
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23:36:23thomasjfoxkugel: How did you switch between fullscreen and status bar mode in your tests?
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23:36:37thomasjfoxkugel: Oh let me guess, via the settings menu? ;)
23:36:58kugelthomasjfox: yea
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23:37:34kugelapparently you need to select rockbox_failsafe as the sbs in order to make the statusbar setting (where off, top and bottom are in) to have any effect
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23:37:52kugelwith my patch there's should be also OS statusbar in that menu
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23:45:06thomasjfoxkugel: I'll give it a try the next days, probably tomorrow
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23:47:41thomasjfoxdoes anyone know how to get multiple logical AND/OR combinations in the shell right: http://pastie.org/1600037 ?
23:48:38kugelthomasjfox: in my experience, you don't :)
23:48:51casainhopamaury: I sent you an e-mail, did you saw?
23:49:31thomasjfoxkugel: Gosh. Then I have to copy those SDL include lines a third time :o)
23:50:19kugelthomasjfox: I suspect there is a way but I haven't found it
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