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#rockbox log for 2011-02-24

00:01:15kugelsaratoga: -committers really isn't the right list for that
00:02:08kugelhow come you think people pay less attention on -dev?
00:03:16saratogawell i don't read it unless someone points me to something on it
00:04:18kugelif you keep putting random stuff on -committers it'll be the same
00:04:47kugel-dev is quite low traffic, I pay very much attention to it
00:04:56saratogai don't mind getting lots of mail, i just don't see much useful stuff on dev, and since its public i don't want to use my main email address on it
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00:05:59gevaertsSo -committers was the appropriate list for this just because -dev is inconvenient for *you*, regardless of what other people think?
00:07:08saratogai thought both were equally appropriate, so I used the one i thought most people followed
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00:09:57kugelsaratoga: you yourself sent lots of mails which explains what -committers is for. I don't believe you know confuse the two
00:10:04kugelor can't believe
00:11:39pamaurycasainho: just see it, I'll have a look
00:13:38mtIt's not inappropriate imho. The way I see it is that release notes are mostly filled by committers, so -committers and -dev are both equally good for such a reminder.
00:14:08kugel-dev is not -users, -dev is for developers
00:14:23gevaerts-committers is for confidential matters
00:14:24kugel-committers is clearly for internal affairs
00:15:23Lloreanmt: The point of the committers list was for when something, for some reason, needs to not immediately be public.
00:15:29pamaurycasainho: I don't know much about elftosb syntax, this error doesn't make sense to me, I'm sorry. Perhaps it has to do with the "load ... > addr", why do you need this explicit address ?
00:16:31LloreanIdeally the committers list basically shouldn't end up being needed, almost ever.
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00:18:02pixelmaand I thought it was confidential so far or at least not advertised ;)
00:18:36gevaertspixelma: what was? :)
00:18:45LloreanIt's been mentioned in the channel a few times that I can remember. Just not talked about often.
00:18:48casainhopamaury: I load and call first, to IRAM, the "system_init" code, that enables clock @ 454MHz and enable external SDRAM
00:18:48pixelmasomething
00:19:03mtAlright, point made clear. It's just that I thought of it as equally suitable for stuff that "don't have to be public" as those that "must not be public. But apparently I was wrong.
00:19:08mtgevaerts: "it"
00:19:46casainhopamaury: right after, it "load rockbox_bootloader > 0x41F00000;", loads rb bootloader to external SDRAM!
00:19:55gevaertsIn this sort of project things should be public unless there's a good reason against it
00:20:24mshathlonxpwhat is "File browser discovered the boot file was changed"?
00:20:26*mt agrees.
00:20:48mtcasainho: You are working on the mini2440, right ?
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00:21:01Lloreanmt: gevaerts basically has it right. Because we want the project to be "open" as well as "open source", everything should be thought of as "should be public" unless there's a very strong reason not to talk about it on a public list (such as protecting someone's personal information, or what not)
00:21:33pamaurycasainho: but why this explicit address ? I think rockbox is already linked with a preferred address that you can specify, so I'm not sure you need this explicit address; anyway, I'm no really sure this is the cause
00:21:34casainhomt: no, no more. I am working on imx233 board: http://lyre.sourceforge.net/?q=content/lyre-protoype-finished
00:22:34casainhopamaury: I just took that from example code that loads linux image file to external SDRAM... I am not sure it should be like that for RB bootloader... I don't have knowledge :-(
00:22:41stripwaxmshathlonxp - in what context?
00:23:13mshathlonxp id: LANG_BOOT_CHANGED desc: File browser discovered the boot file was changed <source> *: "Boot changed"
00:23:46pixelmamshathlonxp: some targets can detect if their binary file is different from what is running at the moment (after a USB disconnect) and then show a splash "boot changed. Reboot now?"
00:24:30casainhopamaury: I tried to change to "load rockbox_bootloader;" and I got no error!!! :-)
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00:25:41pamauryyeah, but now you need to ensure it works ;) It will probably load it at the preferred elf location, that you can specify in the LD linker script
00:25:56casainhopamaury: but I also get this feedback from elftosb, which means it is loading rockboxbooltoader to 0x00 instead that add for external SDRAM?
00:25:58casainhohttp://pastebin.com/y0vNj0ax
00:28:06casainhopamaury: hmmm, something must be wrong, because my boot.lds file is this one: http://pastebin.com/anAtfjEe
00:28:10pamauryhum, I don't know then, the problem being that elftosb isn't too documented ;) Perhaps you should try to put it into another section
00:29:39casainhopamaury: put in another section? what? how?
00:30:44pamaurycasainho: I'm not sure, but I think the rockbox elf drops relocation, so you MUST load it at the addresse is it linked at, namely 0x40000000 in your example. Try this: http://pastebin.com/XmgW8pft
00:31:18pamauryI really know what is the purpose of a section for elftosb
00:31:23pamaury*don't
00:34:20casainhopamaury: the same error: error: constant targets only support single-segment sources
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00:35:20pamauryok, I have to leave, I'll try to have a look at this issue if I can. Perhaps you can send me the system_init and rockbox.elf file so I can try myself to make elftosb happy
00:36:10casainhoright
00:36:13casainhothanks
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01:09:21mshathlonxpwhat is "Filetype array full" ?
01:10:22JdGordon1why are you seeing that?
01:10:46JdGordon1it means its loaded as many supported filetype extensions as ther eis room for
01:11:47mshathlonxpI'm seeing it because it's in lang file :)
01:12:36JdGordon1have you added a bunch of extensions to viewers.config?
01:12:50gevaertsJdGordon1: "lang file" :)
01:12:57gevaertsi.e. translation
01:13:19*JdGordon1 goes back to ignoring #rockbox :)
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01:27:13pixelmais an SDL app automatically touchscreen aware or do I need a special step when configuring?
01:28:04pixelmacan't see anything in the configure options, not even in the advanced ones
01:28:20JdGordon1yes
01:28:31JdGordon1the APP is touchscreen, sims arent
01:29:44pixelmaok, thanks. Let's see
01:32:41mshathlonxpwhat is "top off charge"?
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01:37:52mshathlonxpanyone?
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01:43:41pixelmamshathlonxp: a type of charging that the Archos Recorders can do, don't know the details though
01:44:05mshathlonxpyeah, I noticed it's for archos, looks like I have to use google or move on :)
01:44:35pixelmamaybe try asking at another time of day tomorrow again
01:45:16stripwaxyeah, google is pretty good at knowing things
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01:45:44mshathlonxpdoesn't looks like I would have to ask again :)
01:46:32pixelmastripwax: you can find lots of wrong info too though, sometimes it's hard to decide of the cource is trustworthy
01:46:51pixelmagetting a bit off-topic though ;)
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02:05:16pixelmabefore I leave for sleep, I wanted to leava something I found here: it seems the playlist viewer WPS thing seems to have stopped showing metadata for any other than the next track - or at least it works in my r29339 Gigabeat S sim and doesn't on my phone running r29389. I only get the playlist position of the track following the next track, not the artist info. If anyone else wants to play around and confirm or not - or find a revision that broke it
02:05:16pixelma, it would be apreciated
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02:05:37JdGordon1:/
02:06:15pixelmathe next track also shows title info (which I actually also meant in the above)
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03:39:07mshathlonxphas anyone here experience compiling .lang with genlang?
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06:32:05mackatSansa clip won't update on boot, which i have turned on
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06:35:17metalmaniaheh
06:36:05metalmaniaHello good people, is anyone available to help me with a rockbox issue im having?
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06:42:02[Saint]metalmania: If you make us aware of that issue, possibly. ;)
06:43:07metalmaniaWell I actually found the bug report for the issue I was having.
06:43:22metalmaniaSo I guess I just have to downgrade to an older build.
06:43:53metalmaniaApparently some newer Fuze v2 models freeze on the bootloader screen. My old one didnt, and this one was working fine for awhile, so I'm slightly confused.
06:44:47metalmaniaThanks though.
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10:18:11pondlifeAnybody here think they know how Rockbox message queues are supposed to be used..?
10:19:15pondlifeI'm after opinions on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11927
10:20:31pondlifeBasically, broadcast messages can easily overflow the tagcache queue (and probably others too). This happens silently in builds on target, but kills the sim. Neither of those is good.
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12:58:26webguest65pondlife: The problem described in http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,27247.msg178083.html#msg178083 might also be related to your FS task.
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13:13:41dionoeahello
13:14:42dionoeakugel: the first one used a fake uri in the Intent constructor while the second one uses the requestCode PendingIntent.getService() argument
13:21:23mshathlonxpcan anyone tell me "features" needed to compile lng for ipodnano1g?
13:22:23[Saint]rockbox-info can.
13:23:12mshathlonxpwhat's that?
13:23:56[Saint]it will be present in the build dir on your build machine, and the .rockbox dir on your target.
13:24:21[Saint]it's a file called rockbox-info.txt and it lists all the features that make up the particular target.
13:25:27mshathlonxpah, right, didn't noticed that this option is present in that file, thanks
13:29:46mshathlonxpkhm
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13:29:59mshathlonxplooks much better than previously, but still something is wrong...
13:32:45mshathlonxpIf I would accidentally translate some "source" field, that could cause entries ending up in wrong places?
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13:44:03mshathlonxpwhat could cause LANG_USB_CHARGING being misplaced by next entry, LANG_KEYLOCK_OFF?
13:45:24mshathlonxpand LANG_FORCE by next one, LANG_ONPLAY_PICTUREFLOW
13:47:39mshathlonxpand a lot of other entries are shifted that way
13:47:42mshathlonxpanyone?
13:51:13JdGordon1out of date lang file
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15:06:19n1sthe other diff links for that page works so something is weird i guess
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15:15:24MaynardWatershello, my rockbox install on my ipod video 60Gig, is giving me trouble when i try to boot into the apple firmware
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15:22:55evilnick_BMaynardWaters: In what way is RB giving you trouble?
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15:52:52amoeDoes rockbox have any feature where I can set to automatically switch off after a period whether it is playing or not? Like idle poweroff, but without the idle part.
15:53:01Tornesleep timer
15:54:27amoeAhh sound perfect ;)
15:54:27amoewoot!
15:54:27dionoeakugel: I was going to let you do it.
15:54:27MaynardWatersevilnick_B: RB and its interface are working fine. but the apple firmware isnt working when I try to boot to it. And I thought the intention was to allow iTunes to continue to control the library, but when I plug in via usb to a computer, I can see the ipod as an external HD, but Itunes doesnt recognize it. So I don't have any way to remove, or add new music
15:54:27dionoeaBut I can do it if you want (not right now though)
15:54:55kugelI can't before tomorrow
15:55:05amoeSleep timer rules, I love RB :)
15:55:24dionoeaI can't before tonight ... but it can wait. It doesn't change anything in terms of user functionnality
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16:01:28kugelright
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16:05:53linuxstbMaynardWaters: I think you will need to start the Apple firmware before inserting USB
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16:10:22evilnick_BMaynardWaters: How are you trying to boot to the apple firmware? RB shouldn't affect how the OF interacts
16:12:54MaynardWatersOF? evilnick_B
16:13:15TorneMaynardWaters: original firmware
16:13:16evilnick_BOriginal Firmware, or Apple firmware
16:13:27TorneIf you want to keep using it with ituens you will need to start the apple firmware manually
16:13:36Torneitunes doesn't identify rockbox as being an ipod.
16:13:53MaynardWaterslinuxstb: the apple firmware wont boot, i hold the menu and select buttons, and toggle the hold key, I have done it a number of times a number of different ways... I see the bios image of an apple and then it just holds.
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16:14:38MaynardWatersok, so we all agree i need to boot into the apple firmware before I can get itunes to see the pod.
16:15:45MaynardWatersyea just sitting on that bios apple
16:16:30MaynardWatersfeel the harddrive spin up and down
16:16:41MaynardWatersclick the hold switch, and rockbox boots
16:17:57MaynardWatershold menu and select.... reboot
16:18:16MaynardWatersswitch the hold switch so i see orange... sits on the apple.
16:18:35dionoeakugel: and I doubt that many people use the android app anyway (since no build is provided)
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16:19:31linuxstbMaynardWaters: Then you can use "emergency disk mode" - press and hold SELECT+PLAY when the ipod is booting. You also shouldn't restart Rockbox with MENU+SELECT - hold down the play button to shut it down cleanly.
16:21:35MaynardWaterslinuxstb: very nice
16:21:53MaynardWatersso to shut down rb hold play
16:22:39MaynardWatersis the way that i was trying to do it with switching the hold switch the correct way, or have ai been doing it wrong to get into the apple firmware all along?
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16:35:28mackatmy sansa clip+ doesn't update on bootup
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16:39:07linuxstbMaynardWaters: Yes, that _should_ work. How long do you wait with the Apple logo onscreen? The Apple firmware can take a long time (a minute or two I think) to start.
16:45:29mackat#rockbox-community: my sansa clip+ doesn't update on bootup
16:45:34mshathlonxpJdGordon_ do you want to say that this one http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/lang/english.lang is out of date?
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17:00:09pixelmamshathlonxp: is the running build and the language you are trying to chose from the same revision? There are sometimes mismatches which shouldn't be but do exist if some developer did a mistake
17:00:45mshathlonxpI downloaded the file from that link and edited it
17:01:31mshathlonxpnow when I compile lng with for my nano with all parameters from rockbox-info.txt from .rockbox folders, a lot of entries are shifted like one would be missing somewhere
17:02:00pixelmayes, but the master english.lang is built-in into your firmware binary, your installed build. That's what counts
17:02:27mshathlonxpso what I should do?
17:02:37Tornebuild a new build of rockbox
17:02:40Torneand install that.
17:02:55pixelmaor download the current revision
17:03:26*mshathlonxp bought that nano 3 days ago and installed current rockbox on it
17:03:34Torneyes, but "current rockbox" changes 10+ times per day
17:03:52Torneso what was current at the moment you installed rockbox may not match what was current when you downloaded english.lang
17:03:58mshathlonxp:D
17:04:41pixelmathen I don't think it should be out of sync but you never know, worth a try
17:04:43mshathlonxpit's 3.7.1 on my nano - is there now 3.7.2 or 3.7.3?
17:04:49Torne3.7.1 is not the current build
17:04:51Tornethat's the last release
17:04:58TorneThe current build is thousands of changes newer than that
17:05:10mshathlonxpu mean 3.8?
17:05:15TorneNo
17:05:22Torne3.8 is the next release
17:05:27pixelmaI don't see "u" around
17:05:42Tornethe current build is the most recent code checked in by developers
17:05:46linuxstbmshathlonxp: Follow the "current build" link in the left menu of the Rockbox website.
17:05:49Torneso every time someone checks in code the current build changes
17:05:54Tornewhich is a dozen or two times a day
17:06:29Tornethe link you downloaded english.lang from points to trunk, which is where the current build lives, so that english.lang will always be the latest development version
17:06:51mshathlonxpwhat should I do with it - copy over existing .rockbox dir in my nano?
17:06:54pixelmalinuxstb: there also should be a "current build" tab or something in the Rockbox Utilitly ;)
17:07:07pixelmaor Utility
17:09:58gevaertsmshathlonxp: basically rockbox is developed continuously in what we call "trunk", where current builds are compiled from. Every now and then, that source tree is "branched" into a stable branch, which then gets bugfixes only for one or two weeks, and which then becomes a release (such as 3.7 or 3.8). If that release has major bugs, we sometimes do further point releases based on that branch (such as 3.7.1)
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17:15:19mshathlonxpoh yeah
17:15:24mshathlonxpeverything is in place now
17:15:29mshathlonxpat least it looks like it is
17:16:13mshathlonxplooks like I have to finish ASP so I woulnd't have to worry of it becoming outdated :D
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18:32:57Dreamxtremeis there a reason the battery readout is all over the shop
18:33:03Dreamxtremeon the ipod video
18:33:28Dreamxtremeseems to want to charge a % a secound but then gets to 99 and stops for ages
18:33:54Dreamxtremebut at the same time drops extremely quickly and stays around 2/1% for ages
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18:34:42TorneCharging and discharging behave differently, so comparing them is silly
18:35:05Torneif the reported percentage goes down very fast when you're using it, but the player stays on with the battery showing a low level for a long time then your battery is probably old
18:35:47Dreamxtremeit only happens on 3.8RC
18:35:56Dreamxtrememy battery is fine
18:36:15Dreamxtremeand they are behaving the same
18:36:26Dreamxtremei could do a video
18:38:18Torne10 months ago the battery discharge curve was changed
18:38:46Torneand the shutoff point was increased
18:39:07Tornea video is no use; if you want to demonstratet he curve is wrong you need to do a battery bench
18:39:19Torneis it actually the original battery, also?
18:39:35gevaertsWhen you say it only happens on 3.8RC, which other revisions have you used where this doesn't happen?
18:39:53Tornebecause if it's not then the curve may be inappropriate, and if it is then it *is* old by now
18:40:06Tornetehre are no ipod videos with non-old original batteries in any more :)
18:41:22Dreamxtremeanything before 3.8RC gevaerts
18:41:36Dreamxtremei forget the Daily rev numbers
18:41:37TorneNo, that can't be true
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18:41:51Tornebecause 3.8RC is virtually identical to the current build before we made the 3.8 branch :)
18:42:02gevaertsSo e.g. r2934?
18:42:09gevaertsSo e.g. r29344?
18:42:19Dreamxtremehrm let me look
18:42:23Tornethe discharge curve was changed in r25600
18:42:50Tornewhich was nearly a year ago
18:42:52*gevaerts is also still waiting for the answer to the question he asked yesterday
18:44:13Torneso, unless you haven't used a current build that's newer than that, it seems unlikely that 3.8 would be different, i can't think of anything else that would change that behaviour other than the discharge curve
18:44:20Dreamxtremewhat question
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18:45:08gevaertshttp://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20110223#22:07:10
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18:46:43Dreamxtremehow would i check the filesystem
18:47:14Dreamxtremefunnily enough ive not had 1 data abort today
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18:47:54gevaertsWhat OS are you using?
18:49:27DreamxtremeWindows
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18:50:52Dreamxtremeok when the display is on it drops 1% a second when its off it goes back up
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18:51:10TorneRight. That sounds like the voltage sagging under load
18:51:16Tornewhich is a classic sign of an old battery :)
18:51:24Dreamxtremeo i hope not!
18:51:33Dreamxtremenot had this long
18:51:35Tornewell, have your eplaced the battery?
18:51:44Dreamxtremeno
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18:51:49Dreamxtremeits a ipod
18:51:54Dreamxtreme5.5G
18:51:56Tornethen the battery is old
18:52:00Torneunless the previous owner replaced it
18:52:11Dreamxtremehrm
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18:52:19Tornethey stopped making the Video mid-2007
18:52:32Torneso even if you have one of the last ones the battery is now 3.5 years old
18:52:34Dreamxtremewhat about charging 1% a second
18:52:49Tornemore likely it's 4-5 years old
18:52:56Tornehow long does it last?
18:53:26Dreamxtremea good 25hours no charge
18:53:53Tornethat's not too bad
18:54:02Tornebut if the battery was new it would probably do 28+
18:54:39Dreamxtremeit probaby does
18:54:45Dreamxtremeit probably does
18:54:59Torneanyway, if the battery voltage changes dramatically depending on if the backlight is on then that's a sign its internal resistance has gone up and the load of the backlight is causing the output voltage to drop noticably
18:55:03Dreamxtremeive never really benchmarked it
18:55:10Tornewhich is also a sign that the capacity of the battery will be reduced
18:55:38n1sit should drop significantöy when the disk spins up too
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18:56:59Dreamxtremeghrm
18:57:05Dreamxtremei'll bench it
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18:57:23Torneyeah. benchmark it and see what the total time is, and whether the percentage goes down neatly during the benchmark
18:57:32Tornei.e. by checking the logfile, leaving the screen turned off
18:58:05Torneif it behaves sensibly during a battery bench then the battery is just old and unfortunately it's very hard to reliably estimate the remaining charge on a battery with a high internal resistance
18:58:36Tornethe batteries in mp3 players are not smart enough to have actual charge meters in them, you have to guess bsaed on the output voltage
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19:00:16Dreamxtremeok thx
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19:00:33Torneif it looks weird, post the log somewhere and show us :)
19:02:02pixelmait does feel like Rockbox is reporting too much battery percentage drop under load on my targets too, especially the c200 - but (a) it's already been a while and (b) it's next to impossible to say where the error is, it just feels differently to what it was before. The battery on my c200 still gives me a long runtime but the percentage shown is quite low for a long time
19:04:48pixelmamy c200 is even running 3.7...
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19:24:09gevaertsDreamxtreme: chkdsk with some options
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19:26:16AlexPchkdsk /f x: IIRC
19:26:23AlexPwhere x is the drive letter
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19:55:55Buschelis anyone against submitting FS #11964 (rework of replaygain handling)?
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20:01:05bertrikBuschel, I can't really judge it in a few minutes, but I like that it decreases the number of source lines and I trust you tested it
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20:02:08BuschelI take that as +1 :)
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20:11:03CIA-70New commit by 03Buschel (r29388): FS #11964. Rework replaygain handling to save metadata buffer and binsize. Remove string representation of replaygain and use a dedicated ftoa ...
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21:02:04thomasjfoxkugel, kugel_: hey
21:03:19CIA-70New commit by 03Buschel (r29390): Use macro for better readability of adjust_mp3entry().
21:03:26thomasjfoxkugel, kugel_: I tried to finally fix the plugins for the app build. Please have a look, I'd like to commit soonish: http://pastie.org/1603435
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21:07:12saratogaBuschel: would it be hard to use a 16 bit value for replaygain?
21:07:35Buschelno, I don't think so
21:07:43CIA-70r29390 build result: All green
21:08:36saratogawhats the actual allowed range of the replaygain value?
21:08:58Buschel-48..+17 dB
21:09:12Buscheldue to internal conversion routines
21:09:44saratogaah i see the code
21:09:53thomasjfoxkugel: ping
21:10:08saratogaif FP_BITS is is 12, that works out to a little less then 17 bits actually used
21:10:46saratogaso we clamped that a little lower, we could use 16 bit multiplies to speed up replaygain processing quite a bit on armv5 and newer
21:11:27Buschelwait. you are talking about the dsp stuff, I was talking about the metadata code
21:12:00saratogadoesn't it all use the fixed point representation?
21:12:02Buschelwell, 16 bit should be fine for dsp as well. it is just a static scaling.
21:12:10Buschelno, I just changes it
21:12:15Buschelchanged
21:12:20saratogaah ok
21:12:41Buschelnow it is like dsp_gain = convert_gain(metadata_gain)
21:12:55Buschelsee the change to dsp.c
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21:46:56mshathlonxpwhat is "quickscreen item"?
21:50:11AlexPmshathlonxp: (this is going to sound silly) an item on the quickscreen
21:50:30AlexPFor a description of the quickscreen, the manual should be reasonable
21:52:10linuxstbthomasjfox: Regarding your patch for plugins for RaaA, is that change to simple_viewer.c needed? IIUC, that code is only used by dict.c, which you don't build.
21:52:40thomasjfoxlinuxstb: Let me try without it. It's quite some days that I changed it...
21:54:05thomasjfoxlinuxstb: I tried to look into the root cause of the strncmp issue. Some really weird macro expansion is going on...
21:54:49*mshathlonxp shouts some bad words in russian
21:55:15mshathlonxplooks like my lang file still is older than current build
21:56:10thomasjfoxlinuxstb: Excluding it in lib/SOURCES works. I'll stick to that. Thanks for the reminder
21:59:03mshathlonxpis quickscreen these settings that pops out while holding down select button on any main menu item?
21:59:12mshathlonxpor this is something that my nano doesn't have?
21:59:53linuxstbmshathlonxp: No, that's the "context menu". The quickscreen appears when you press and hold "menu".
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22:01:05mshathlonxplang file mentions 3 quickscreen items
22:01:25mshathlonxpor that bottom for my nano is also on top?
22:01:52linuxstbthomasjfox: Hmm, it would be nice not to commit hacks. So the problem is that that code doesn't compile?
22:02:31thomasjfoxlinuxstb: Yes, exactly. The rb->strncmp stuff is turned into a very, very long macro construct
22:02:45thomasjfoxlinuxstb: I removed the hack as I was able to exclude the simple_viewer.c
22:02:58thomasjfoxlinuxstb: RaaA doesn't include the full set of plugins (yet?) anyway
22:04:52linuxstbthomasjfox: Excluding simple_viewer.c (because it doesn't compile) is also a hack IMO. What macro is being applied there?
22:05:17thomasjfoxlinuxstb: I'll get you the preprocessor output, hang on a sec
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22:08:47mshathlonxphow can I test with genlang what's missing in my lang file from current lang file?
22:09:03thomasjfoxlinuxstb: This line: if (len == n && !rb->strncmp(p, str, len))
22:09:11thomasjfoxresults in: apps/plugins/lib/simple_viewer.c:51: error: expected identifier before '(' token
22:09:21thomasjfoxand looks like "if (len == n && !rb->(__extension__ (__builtin_constant_p (len) && ((__builtin_constant_p (p) && strlen (p) < ((size_t) (len))) || (__builtin_constant_p (str) && strlen (str) < ((size_t) (len)))) ? strcmp (p, str) : strncmp (p, str, len))))"
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22:14:11linuxstbthomasjfox: I don't understand that at all... Have you tested if this is Maemo specific (e.g. trying the SDL app or Android)?
22:16:31thomasjfoxlinuxstb: You're right again: Seems like a maemo thing
22:16:41thomasjfoxlinuxstb: SDL app on Fedora 14 builds fine
22:17:05pixelmamshathlonxp: I test by generating a "yournewlang" as explained here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LangFiles#Preparation_every_time_you_update . The translation is complete if I don't get any "### This phrase..." explanations anymore
22:19:08thomasjfoxlinuxstb: What if I exclude the problematic files just for maemo/android for now? (I want kugel to test android before I break the build :))
22:19:38mshathlonxpand what if I just have "mylanguage.lang" but no "mynewlanguage.lang"? execute that comamnd without "mynewlanguage.lang"?
22:21:03linuxstbthomasjfox: If you give me 5 minutes, I can try an android build. Could you search the maemo include files for strncmp and see if you can see if it's defined as a macro somewhere?
22:21:24thomasjfoxlinuxstb: Perfect. Will do
22:22:16saratogai just got a PM from a zero-poster
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22:22:21saratogai thought that was disabled?
22:22:21[Saint]pixelma: You rang?
22:22:35linuxstbsaratoga: Maybe he sent it and then a post was deleted?
22:22:48saratogahe sent it like 30 seconds ago, so I don't think so
22:23:03thomasjfoxlinuxstb: Found the monster macro. It's inside a "#ifndef _HAVE_STRING_ARCH_strncmp"
22:24:18linuxstbAh, so you could perhaps define that somewhere.
22:26:43pixelma[Saint]: do you use this playlist viewport thingy in any of your themes? (Just to verify a bug in case, but I guess I could do some more research myself)
22:27:08AlexPthomasjfox: Does maemo RB also show the play and pause icons as status rather than action?
22:27:24pixelmamshathlonxp: mynewlanguage.lang will be created if you use these commands
22:27:26thomasjfoxAlexP: Yes
22:27:45AlexPOK, so that as well as android needs changing
22:27:46pixelmamshathlonxp: you can then check this one for "###"
22:27:47AlexPIMO
22:27:56mshathlonxppixelma and if some strings will be missing, these will be copied there?
22:28:17AlexPthomasjfox: I really can't imagine that anyone will object to these being swapped, it isn't what you expect atm
22:28:24[Saint]pixelma: What is the problem you're having with it?
22:28:29AlexPBut I'll send an email to the list just in case
22:28:43thomasjfoxAlexP: It's also what the native player does, so let's swap it
22:28:49pixelmamshathlonxp: yes they will, and above the comment "### This phrase below was missing from translation" or similar, it always starts with the three hashes
22:28:57AlexPthomasjfox: Every other player does, and it makes sense
22:29:09AlexPthomasjfox: Clicking on a play icon to make it pause is just odd :)
22:31:10linuxstbAlexP: Yes, it's something that (IMO) should be changed on all touchscreen WPSes. But this is the "playback mode" icon - it can also be stop, rew or ffwd. So I'm not sure if just reversing the icons for play/pause in that list makes sense.
22:31:28thomasjfoxlinuxstb: I'm still wondering why the macro expansion fails for rb->strncmp() and not for strncmp()
22:32:01pixelma[Saint]: it looks like info that comes from the files' tags stopped working recently for any other than the next track (I have one that shows the next 2 tracks - playlist position and title - playlist position is shown for both, title only for the first in my r29389 android build. Both is working in my r29339 Gigabeat S sim. I wonder if any of the recent metadata commits have to do with it or the android build or something else
22:32:18AlexPlinuxstb: So what would you suggest?
22:32:40AlexPYou will only see ffwd/rew when pressing the button for that
22:33:12pixelma[Saint]: just in case you noticed something too
22:33:13AlexPYou don't see them if you move the progress bar for instance
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22:33:38AlexPAlso, why are ffwd/rew hidden behind the RB logo most of the time?
22:34:08thomasjfoxAlexP: On maemo, rew/ff is shown all the time ;)
22:34:20AlexPthomasjfox: Should be on android too
22:34:25AlexPbut isn't!
22:34:28linuxstbAlexP: Well, most media players would just show play/pause icons in its place. I would also move it so it is between the rew/ff icons (buttons)
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22:34:57AlexPlinuxstb: Ah, I see what you mean - have both
22:35:21pixelmaAlexP: it's probably because all touchscreen cabbiev2 ports were "quick hacks" or so
22:35:26linuxstbAlexP: Um, I don't mean have both play and pause icons visible together.
22:35:26AlexPyeah
22:36:02AlexPlinuxstb: So if you swap them depending on playback state then you will be using the playback state as currently, but with logic inverted?
22:37:46linuxstbAlexP: Sort of, but playback state currently also includes FF and REW (and STOP). And you can ff or rew when either playing or paused (I assume...)
22:38:10AlexPyes
22:38:48AlexPBut you can choose if they do anything, or if they just keep showing e.g. play when ffwd'ing
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22:40:25linuxstbWould we also want a "stop" icon?
22:40:53AlexPDepends if anyone sbs-ifies it
22:41:04AlexPsorry, misunderstood
22:41:12linuxstbs/icon/button/
22:41:32AlexPI currently would, as on android the only way to get rid of the notificiation is to stop playback
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22:42:18AlexPI think kugel said that there isn't much technical difference between being pause and stopped
22:42:40pixelmatouchscreen areas can still "distinguish" between short and long presses
22:43:05AlexPFor me, I'd just get rid of the notification bar stuff when paused too, but I imagine some people would like to keep it to easily resume
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22:43:46AlexPpixelma: True, but I think on touch screens you have to be more careful - long pressing pause to stop didn't occur to me at first
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22:44:43thomasjfoxlinuxstb: Cleaned version of the plugins patch: http://pastie.org/1603833
22:46:40linuxstbthomasjfox: Hmm, compiling (your previous patch) for Android gives me an error saying credits.raw doesn't exist. Let me just do a clean build to make sure...
22:46:41n1sthomasjfox: the macro expansion seems to have worked fine, it's probably just that rb->(... is invalid syntax in c so it doesn't compile
22:47:22thomasjfoxn1s: That explains it! Thanks
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22:48:03thomasjfoxn1s: Damn it, I really stared at the output :)
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22:56:09linuxstbthomasjfox: As expected, simple_viewer.c compiles fine on Android (and so do plugins with your patch).
22:57:23linuxstbthomasjfox: You should enable random_folder_advance_config.c I think though.
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23:09:11*mshathlonxp finally can see the end of the file :)
23:09:45mshathlonxphow could I upload the translation after I will finish it and check it?
23:09:53mshathlonxpcan*
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23:10:14AlexPYou should check it by using it :)
23:10:28AlexPAnd when it is done, then put it on our patch tracker, flyspray
23:12:35mshathlonxpyeah, but how?
23:12:42mshathlonxpu mean this - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?show_task=
23:12:43mshathlonxp?
23:13:26mshathlonxpyou*
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23:14:34thomasjfoxlinuxstb: I'll commit with the random_folder_advance_config plugin enabled. ok?
23:14:49thomasjfoxlinuxstb: Thanks for checking the android build
23:15:03linuxstbHmm, I've done "svn cp" to create a new file closely based on an existing one, and then "svn diff" is showing the differences to that file, rather than showing it as a new file...
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23:17:32mshathlonxpAlexP
23:18:05AlexPmshathlonxp: Yep, create a new task there as a patch
23:18:19linuxstbthomasjfox: It seems OK to me.
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23:19:59mshathlonxpbtw how I should name my translation - latvian or latviesu? :) I can see that part of translations is named in english, while others are in respective language. Or that's my free choice?
23:21:08linuxstbmshathlonxp: I think the convention is to use ASCII characters. So in your case, latviesu would be fine.
23:22:04n1sideally we should have translations for the lang names but there's little practical gain
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23:22:41mshathlonxpwhat is "Histogram interval" ? google can't find what it is :)
23:24:15JdGordon_why would google have any idea about our lang strings?
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23:24:23JdGordon_you need to find the usage in the code or manual
23:25:17mshathlonxpbecause google usually has chached rockbox page, including manuals
23:25:43mshathlonxphowever, this time "rockbox histogram interval" didn'd gave me anything useful
23:26:20AlexPSomething to do with recording I think
23:26:45mshathlonxp desc: in record settings menu
23:26:53mshathlonxpbut there's nothing like that in my nano
23:27:08AlexPThat is because it doesn't do recording :)
23:27:11n1sid' guess it's the time interval between points in the recording histogram or something like that
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23:27:18pixelmathe histogram shows the waveform in the recording screen (I believe only on the H300 currently though), I guess this setting is meant for how often it is updated or so
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23:27:20AlexPn1s: yes, I think it is that
23:27:26mshathlonxpit does, I mean it would with some adaptors :)
23:27:52*mshathlonxp was thinking about something like that
23:28:15mshathlonxpas I said yesterday, there is no better way how to learn rockbox than by translating it :)
23:28:42*pixelma looks around for petur (in case he reads logs tomorrow ;) )
23:28:52n1slooks like it's on the h100/h120 too
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23:29:16n1si wonde why only those iriver targets have this feature
23:30:00LloreanWhen it was introduced, H100 and H300 were the only swcodec recorders, weren't they?
23:30:00pixelmaI believe it came from the "REP" and hasn't been adapted to other DACs
23:30:36mshathlonxpWPS = While Playing Screen?
23:30:41AlexPyep
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23:31:50linuxstbn1s: Seems to be closely linked to HAVE_AGC...
23:32:39n1slinuxstb: yes, i was just looking at the code too. That is also only on the irivers
23:33:04pixelmaI believe Topy44 once did a quick and dirty hack to get it to an X5
23:33:15linuxstbWas that due to the lack of fine gain control on other ADCs though?
23:33:22n1si wonder if it's due to dac features missing or not implemented in drivers for other targets or just apps stuff
23:33:29Topy44huh?
23:33:44Topy44ah yes, i got the adc to work on my x5, it actually worked well
23:34:16Topy44yes its a little coarser than on my h340, but for the main purpose of avoiding clipping its perfectly fine, the level changes are not too obvious
23:34:24Topy44*agc i mean
23:34:48pixelmalinuxstb: in case of the Iaudios ADC it is (or at least what petur thinks - gain steps are only 1.5 dB and the range isn't as big
23:34:56Topy44the other REP features like the histogram works perfectly too
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23:35:39Topy44it was a dirty hack on an ancient version though, but it should be possible to activate it in the current version with a little copy-pasta
23:36:21Topy44pixelma: interesting that you remember - that was what, 4+ years ago? :)
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23:36:52Topy44unfortunately my x5l has since died
23:37:45pixelmait was long but not that long I think (but not sure) and my brain seems to have space for remembering the most useless info (but keeps forgetting important things) ;)
23:37:50n1sseems the only thing needed for histogram is a way to read peaklevels
23:38:35Topy44yes, the histogram is pretty simple, it should work on all platform
23:38:36Topy44s
23:38:55Topy44i still want the stereo correlation meter back :( it was very useful
23:39:22pixelmacareful, hwcodec recording may be different
23:41:58mshathlonxpwhere I can find "Resume on automatic track change"?
23:42:39*linuxstb has no idea what that means
23:43:08mshathlonxpone of last added entries
23:43:11pixelmathat's related to the new auto-resume feature (related to the database)
23:43:24n1swasn't those added to the manual?
23:43:32pixelmaI think so
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23:44:02mshathlonxpso, is that option in my nano as well, or only in some DSP i've never seen before?
23:44:18mshathlonxpDAP*
23:44:22n1smshathlonxp: it's on all targets
23:44:33pixelmashould be there if you run a current build
23:44:37n1sor should be at least
23:44:40mshathlonxpI can't find it...
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23:45:07pixelmawhat does the manual say?
23:45:18mshathlonxpprobably nothing
23:45:22*mshathlonxp pulls up opera
23:46:11*linuxstb decides to stay away from that feature and discussion of it
23:47:28mshathlonxpahh, finally found
23:47:36n1soh, it's under general settings, not easy to find
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23:48:24n1swhy isn't it under playback settings?
23:48:32*linuxstb was about to ask that
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23:50:06mshathlonxpno
23:50:15mshathlonxpthat's why it took so long to find
23:50:30mshathlonxpgeneral settings -> automatic resume
23:50:56[Saint]Well...It's not *really* a playback setting.
23:51:15mshathlonxpbut I still can't understand what function "Resume on automatic track change" does
23:51:26mshathlonxpdespite it's in manual
23:51:37[Saint]That's what the manual is for mshathlonxp
23:51:39[Saint]oh.
23:51:56mshathlonxp;>
23:52:06mshathlonxpResume on automatic track change.
23:52:06mshathlonxpControls whether the next track in an automatic track transition should be resumed at its last playback position as well.
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23:52:22n1s[Saint]: it certainly affects playback, imo it's a playback setting and that's the first place i looked for it
23:52:41*mshathlonxp agrees to n1s
23:53:38[Saint]I seem to remember a discussion specifically keeping it out of the playback settings menu, as it was objected to iirc.
23:53:49n1sbut i guess it'll just turn into one of these long pointless discussions again so meh
23:53:55[Saint]It's not like sideral didn't ask for input.
23:54:05mshathlonxpwhat does meen IIRC?
23:54:10mshathlonxpmean*
23:54:18[Saint]*google ;)
23:54:41n1s[Saint]: yeah but that discussion thread was so long and was making so little progress that people not directly interested in that feature didn't read it
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23:54:49mshathlonxpwhy google if u can tell me that? :P
23:55:38[Saint]n1s: TLDR isn't really an excuse ;) He asked for input here many a time too.
23:55:51LloreanWhy wouldn't it be a playback setting.
23:56:06[Saint]I can see arguments for it to be in playback, but...I can see why it's a general setting also.
23:56:07LloreanI mean, it doesn't affect non-playback sound, so it's not a sound setting, and it doesn't affect anything *but* playback...
23:56:21Llorean[Saint]: What's the argument for it not being a playback setting?
23:56:27pixelma[Saint], kugel: is it a general RaaAa bug or shortcoming that the RTC seems to not be read or is it only my phone?
23:56:39*mshathlonxp laughs - IIRC should be "Image Identity Review Committee" haha
23:56:53linuxstbpixelma: I think kugel has mentioned it before - so a bug I think.
23:56:59[Saint]mshathlonxp: "If I Remember/Recall Correctly"
23:57:01n1s[Saint]: yes, about the feature iirc, so as i don't care about the feature i didn't get into the discussion, i didn't know he was going to put the setting there since it's a small detail that never came up
23:57:09mshathlonxpyeah, that was first definition
23:57:13n1sat least when i was around
23:57:44[Saint]Well, I could be misremembering it...but I'm sure there was a discussion here regarding the menu placement for this feature.
23:58:00[Saint]It was certainly discussed at length, so it's hard to remember the details.
23:58:16mshathlonxpnow finally I understood what does do "Resume on automatic track change"
23:58:27n1sit's often like this with controversial patches, if one doesn't get into the dsicussion about the whole thing one automatically loses the right to question anything about it later
23:58:35linuxstbn1s: What about bookmarking? That's also in general settings.
23:58:58Lloreanlinuxstb: I'm not sure bookmarking "controls" playback behaviour though, in the same way.

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