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#rockbox log for 2011-03-04

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01:21:03JackWinter2hmm, trying to use RockboxUtility under linx/kde and seem to be utterly dense. have an old rockboz installed on it. i don't seem to be able to mount the first partition (in my case /dev/sdd, guess that is the apple bootloader, but i can mount the 2:nd partition. once mounted RU can identify it correctly. trying to run the complete install yields me a could not open ipod, permission denied
01:21:08JackWinter2any clues?
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01:23:25JackWinter2i do seem to have rw access to it, as i can copy files to it from a terminal
01:27:50JackWinter2looks like the first partition is unallocated and slightly over 100mb. somehow i get the feeling i shouldn't mess with that one :)
01:28:55LloreanAre you running RBUtil with admin privileges? sudo or similar?
01:29:15LloreanFor the complete install, to install the bootloader, that's necessary.
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01:44:08JackWinter2Llorean: it doesn't wanna run with admin rights? just changed over to the rockbox drive and tried a sudo rm -rI .rockbox, but that yields me rm: cannot remove `.rockbox/database_8.tcd': Read-only file system etc :(
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01:44:52saratogasome people on hydrogenaudio remarked that their clip+ players have an annoying loud background hiss
01:44:57saratogahas anyone else observed that?
01:45:09saratogai get a hiss on the ClipV2 (like everyone else), but nothing on the Clip+
01:46:10JackWinter2sudo ./RockBoxUtility gives me: No protocol specified
01:46:17kugel_saratoga: aren't they effectively the same short of the microsd slot?
01:46:19amiconnNo hiss here, but sound quality is crap with my phones without the ams_hiq patch
01:46:24Lloreansaratoga: I haven't updated in a while, but never noticed a hiss.
01:46:52saratogakugel_: yes, but clearly something is different
01:46:54*amiconn still didn't check which of the two settings is the important one
01:47:05saratogaamiconn: i'm beginning to think theres different hardware revisions of the Clip+
01:47:34saratogawhen sandisk changed how the SD interface worked over the summer in the new revision they may have changed something else
01:47:52saratogawhat issues did you notice?
01:50:06JackWinter2maybe it's not correctly mounted, mount gives me: /dev/sdd2 on /media/SOMEBODY'S type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=500,gid=500,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec) don't know what all the above means, but 500:500 are my uid:gid
01:51:24saratogadoesn't a read only file system usually mean the file system is corrupted
01:51:24JackWinter2saratoga: i could write to and remove normal files...
01:51:31saratogaoh i thought you said it was read only
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01:53:01JackWinter2saratoga: no, but that is the errormsg i get trying to delete .rockbox. suppose i can try running a filesystem check on it. don't remember enough about how this works. could also try to reformat it, but don't wanna brick it :)
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02:01:01JackWinter2beh, fsck does give some fat inconsistencies. maybe i should just boot into another OS to do it...
02:11:31JackWinter2bah, will try in windows or osx tomorrow. even if i fix the fs errors, i still can't delete .rockbox. guess i hope it's me or linux messing up and not the hdd...
02:13:48JdGordon|Buschel: I seem to have a simple repro!
02:13:48JdGordon|crashes very quickly after boot in the main menu now
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02:17:54JdGordon|r28700 is def bad
02:17:54JdGordon|r28525 is running now and got past boot
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02:27:24JdGordon|rasher: can screen sizes be added to the theme site relativly easy?
02:27:30JdGordon|time to add some raaa sizes me thinks
02:29:26froggymanCould the Pandora be added as a build target for the build servers?
02:30:13*froggyman realizes that that would require additional cross compilers
02:31:19rasherJdGordon|: pretty sure it is, and it's better since I last touched, I think
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02:43:53JdGordon|also, its time to remove the link to the old theme site
02:44:51JdGordon|and rearrange the target list somehow... we dont want a new target for each of the differen RaaA ports of the same screen size
02:46:12LloreanJdGordon|: Will RAA just use the next smaller screen if you pick a target with an unsupported screen size?
02:46:26JdGordon|no
02:47:19LloreanDoes it just tell the user unsupported screen size, or something?
02:47:35JdGordon|no
02:47:38JdGordon|it just fails
02:47:40LloreanAh
02:47:44JdGordon|same as any other target
02:47:55LloreanI thought it had some sort of auto-detection?
02:48:15JdGordon|that paatch hasnt (and looking like wont be) merged in yet
02:48:23JdGordon|and even then, that patch doesnt try to do that
02:49:02LloreanWhy wouldn't that patch, or a patch accomplishing similar screen autodetection, make it in?
02:50:03JdGordon|talk to kugel... he seems to be very against it, and because i'm not doing much dev atm i cant be bothered forcing it in
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02:51:13LloreanI guess the "Android" Build should just link to a sub-page where one selects their screen size, then.
02:52:56JdGordon|maybe
02:53:31JdGordon|for completeness there needs to be android, meamo, sdl, pandora etc
02:53:55LloreanI don't really see a problem with that.
02:54:19LloreanIt's nice to have something in the list that says the actual "target" name, so that when people are scrolling down, they don't go right past "App" thinking it's for PC or whatever
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03:06:54JdGordon|well android should she an android app to get the themes
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03:32:32[Saint]is there a way to make an individual theme from the sources?
03:32:43[Saint]I mean, how are the theme .cfg's generated?
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03:35:26JdGordon|voodoo
03:35:30JesusRiveraI Dont Know If This Is Normal Or I Found A Useful Bug? While On Rock Usb Connection The Scroll Wheel Can Be Used To Control The PC's Volume
03:35:45JdGordon|Stop Capitalising Every WORD
03:35:53krazykitwe generally call that a "feature", JesusRivera
03:35:58JesusRiveramy bad
03:36:00krazykitespecially since it's documented in the manual
03:36:04[Saint]JesusRivera: overuse of capital letters makes that *really* hard to read...
03:37:51saratogai vaguely remember that wpsbuild.pl is used to make theme files, but i haven't looked at that since i committed cabbiev2 years ago
03:37:52JdGordon|not in a generic way though
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03:42:50JesusRiverai never saw that in the manual
03:43:22[Saint]That doesn't mean it's not there ;)
03:43:22JesusRiveraand ive been with rockbox since 3.0
03:43:28[Saint]It's called USB HID
03:43:46JdGordon|I've been using it since before 3.0 and never saw that in the manual either! :D
03:43:50[Saint]There are various HID modes that can be selected.
03:45:26JesusRiveracool
03:46:31[Saint]JesusRivera: If you feel it could be in a more obvious/suitable place...feel free to make a suggestion or porduce a patch.
03:46:32[Saint]But I assure you it is indeed outlined quite well in the manual.
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03:46:32[Saint]*s/porduce/produce/
03:46:33JesusRiverawhere can i get more backgroung on it?
03:46:39JesusRiverawhere can i get more backgroung on it?
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03:46:42JesusRiverawhere can i get more backgroung on it?
03:46:46JesusRiverawhere can i get more backgroung on it?
03:46:48[Saint]What do you mean "more background"?
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03:46:52JesusRiverawhere can i get more backgroung on it?
03:46:55[Saint]and, once is enough ;)
03:47:05JesusRiverawhere can i get more backgroung on it?
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03:47:46[Saint]JesusRivera: What do you mean by "get more background on it"?
03:47:47JesusRiverawhere can i get more background info on that?
03:48:14JesusRiverasorry for the double post
03:48:24[Saint]The manual explains how it functions. I'm not sure what additional information you are looking for.
03:48:31JesusRiveraok
03:48:36JesusRiverathanks
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03:54:17JdGordon|whats the status of moving all themes out of svn except cabbie?>
03:54:25JdGordon|once that happens wpsbuild.pl can be much simpler
03:55:13[Saint]I *think* it's done.
03:55:53[Saint]I am not 100% on that though, you'd need to get hold of the huy who's name I can't remember that was doing the migration.
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03:56:15JdGordon|well, at this point I dont think any of the svn themes are worth keeping around anyway
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03:56:41[Saint]I was under the impression it was done, though. But if they were removed, and a theme was found to not be on the themesite, it wouldn't be too hard to replace it.
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03:57:24JdGordon|exactly
03:57:35[Saint]It would reduce the size of the binaries quite dramatically.
03:57:40[Saint]I say go for it.
03:57:48JdGordon|[Saint]: you still havnt emailed the ml about the list hilight changes
03:58:11[Saint]No I haven't...I'm getting there though ;)
03:58:44[Saint]And it's not about the highlighting...though I do have an idea for that also.
03:58:59JdGordon|ok, just making sure oyu hadnt forgotten :)
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04:00:44[Saint]re: Highlighting, I think that there should be a highlighted selection in the approximate middle of the list whilst scrolling. Purely aesthetic, but it kinda looks weird that the selector vanishes whilst kinetic scrolling.
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04:36:04*[Saint] wonders wtf is up with this line in the 480x800 cabbie:
04:36:06[Saint]%?C<%s%ac%Sx(Next:) %?Ia<%Ia|%?D(2)<%D(2)|%(root%)>> - %?It<%It|%Fn>|%s%ac%?Id<%Id|%?D(1)<%D(1)|%(root%)>>>
04:36:33[Saint]why on earth is the next track display dependant on album art?
04:37:42saratogamaybe there isn't enough room for both?
04:39:45LloreanOn 240x320 isn't that true too?
04:39:53LloreanYou get album art, and current track, or current track and next track.
04:39:57LloreanBut not AA, CT, and NT
04:41:23LloreanSorry, 240x320 like the Gigabeat S. Dunno about Android versions.
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04:46:06JdGordon|[Saint]: on 480x800 you get AA + 3 lines current track and one line next track if aa is present
04:47:18[Saint]I'm not 100%...but I'm playing with it now, and, there should be room.
04:47:41JdGordon|for what?
04:48:43[Saint]ah...nevermind, it'll be easier for me to show my changes when I'm done messing around with it.
04:49:27JdGordon|i dont have a screenshot app on my phone, but if i did you'd see AA + 3 lines CT and ~2 lines blnk and one line next track
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05:04:23[Saint]JdGordon|: how do I tell a theme to display the "built in" statusbar? is it 'classic_statusbar.sbs'?
05:04:43[Saint]I mean, what should the entry in the theme.cfg be?
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05:15:12JdGordon|[Saint]: %wi
05:15:51[Saint]but....how do I define that in the theme.cfg?
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05:16:16JdGordon|%wi displays the hardcoded internal shitty oldschool statusbar, not the skin one
05:16:53[Saint]so I should use classic_statusbar.sbs?
05:17:03JdGordon|what do you want to do?
05:17:16[Saint]that doesn't care about screen dimensions does it? it auto aligns itself no?
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05:18:22[Saint]re: "what do you want to do?" <−− I want to write a theme.cfg that is the default settings from a clean installation.
05:19:16LloreanCouldn't you just do a clean installation, save a .cfg file, then edit out the non-theme lines?
05:19:23LloreanIt'd probably be the fastest way.
05:25:10JdGordon|[Saint]: statusbar: - isnt it?
05:25:18JdGordon|or sbs: -
05:25:21[Saint]possibly.
05:25:36[Saint]what *is* classic_statusbar then? some relic of the past?
05:25:45[Saint]or does something/anything actually use it?
05:26:11JdGordon|it was going to replace the internal one but i decidedd to just leave that one there instead
05:26:25[Saint]Is it functional?
05:28:35JdGordon|it being?
05:29:25[Saint]classic_statusbar
05:29:58JdGordon|.sbs sure
05:30:06JdGordon|well, it was last time anyone tried it
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06:26:10JdGordon|r28525 just died on my mini2g also
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06:29:44webguest89can i leave a suggestion for the dev?
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06:33:26webguest89i have a sansa clip ver 02.01.32a and it has a podcast playback feature that speeds up the podcast so i can cram more podcasts in my day. this is a really cool feature that is stock with sansa. can i get this feature with rockbox? if it's already in it i appologize. i had rockbox on my e260 and it was awesome.
06:33:52webguest89it's died since them
06:33:58webguest89then*
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06:45:30saratogaJdGordon|: what was it you were trying to track done on mini?
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06:47:39[Saint]JdGordon|: JdGord: wtf tag is %bu ?
06:48:01JdGordNo idea?
06:48:34JdGordSaratoga: the pp dma bug... I was sure 3.7 worked
06:48:46saratogaah ok
06:48:57saratogadoes that impact the sansa e200v1?
06:49:09saratogaprobably not i guess since it uses SD rather then IDE
06:49:10[Saint]Hmmm...there's also some manuals missing apparently.
06:49:32[Saint]JdGord: %bu shows up in classic_statusbar
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06:50:03[Saint]no idea what it does though...it seems to be a way to detect external power, but it doesn't appear to be doccumented.
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06:51:11JdGordIs it on the wiki?
06:51:19[Saint]It's not in the manual, or the wiki.
06:51:42JdGordRemind me tommorow night, can't check now
06:51:51*[Saint] nods
06:53:21[Saint]googling "%bu site:www.rockbox.org" doesn't turn up jack either...so it makes me wonder how many other tags there are I know nothing about ;)
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06:56:20JdGordUsb powered
06:58:14JdGordYep
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07:06:13saratogaare codes always so short? i'd think %pow would be a little more clear
07:09:52JdGordYes, 2 char by popular demand/consensus
07:10:02JdGordWe missed the chance to redo them
07:10:28JdGordAlthough, I don't think there is any reason we couldn't add longer tag versions
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08:07:52BuschelJdGordon|: I just read the logs. you said you found a way to reproduce a lockup (lockup in main menu)?
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10:47:39pixelmaI wonder how %pow would be more readable (just about that specific tag suggestion)
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11:26:28kugel[Saint]: the best way to get a back-to-clean-installation is to hit save theme settings on the device after installation
11:27:33kugelsave X settings is the only possibility to avoid getting blanks for settings that are in default
11:28:51pixelma[Saint]: IIRC the %bu tag was even introduced when making the classical_statusbar. sbs to make every info available that's currently in the built-in statusbar. This tag is important on targets that can run off USB power but don't charge (Ondio, maybe Player and m200), for most others the charging check would be triggered
11:30:10[Saint]pixelma: Thanks for the explanation. I looked in the manual, and CustomWPS but couldn't find any info on it.
11:30:41[Saint]just from the way it was being used in the theme I had a rough idea what it did, but I wasn't sure.
11:30:51pixelmaguess it was forgotten a bit about because it's rarely needed
11:31:11pixelmaand a late addition to the power related tags
11:32:27pixelmapossibly you can blame me for this too ;)
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11:42:42pixelmathe tag itself was implemented by Jd though but I remember that I noticed the lacjk when working on the classical_statusbar.sbs
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12:09:45Lucoi searched with google and counldn't find an answer.. so..
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12:10:03Lucoi just put rockbox on my 1g nano
12:10:15Lucoand everything is great
12:10:24Lucoit's just that the sound is horrible
12:10:54Lucoevery song i try i get this interference..
12:11:16Lucoany tips on how to fix this? sound is normal on the original firmware
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12:12:23pixelmadid you enable some sound altering settings, like equaliser or so?
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12:13:40Lucono
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12:13:48Lucoi didnt change anything
12:14:07Lucoi tried it on a fresh install so..
12:14:18Lucodo you thing reinstalling would help?
12:14:24gevaertsDid you install 3.8, or a current build?
12:14:49Lucoi used the rockbox app
12:14:53Lucofor mac
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12:15:03Lucoso i think i have 3.8
12:15:10Lucoi'll check wait a sec
12:15:21Lucoyeah i have 3.8
12:15:25gevaertsIf you look at System->Rockbox Info on the player, it should tell you
12:15:26gevaertsok
12:16:03gevaertsI'd suggest trying a current build. You can also install that with Rockbox Utility
12:16:09Lucohow?
12:17:12gevaertsGo to the "Installation" tab, and click on "Install Rockbox"
12:17:16Lucooh ok
12:17:22Lucosorry i've missed that
12:17:28Lucocan i just overwrite the old one
12:17:31gevaertsyes
12:17:34Lucoor do i have to restore my ipod first
12:17:38Lucook
12:17:40Lucothanks
12:18:35Lucoi really hope this helps because rockbox is so much better than the original firmware :)
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12:19:24gevaertsThere seems to be an issue in 3.8 that causes various kinds of weird problems on some players (including the ipod nano) that's since been fixed. I'm guessing/hoping it's also causing this
12:19:35Lucoits working!!!!
12:19:47Lucooh
12:19:49Lucoumm
12:19:58Lucoit worked for like 5seconds
12:20:09gevaertshm
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12:21:23Lucois it normal that i have a spinning circle in the player
12:21:34Lucoit stops when i hit play
12:21:41Lucoand spins when it's on pause
12:22:54pixelmado you mean in the top right corner? Or did you chose a different theme?
12:23:01Lucoi did
12:23:13Lucoi use the old stheme
12:23:21Lucoit's like the old ipods
12:23:26Lucoblack and white
12:23:35Lucocan the theme be responsible for sound problem?
12:24:00pixelmano, it shouldn't
12:24:12Lucoi'm trying the archived build now
12:25:17Lucoworks ok for now
12:25:42pixelmamy guess is that you chose the iCatcher theme which has such an animation when paused (looking like the spinning circle when reloading a page in Firefox etc.), that's a theme thing then and normal
12:25:49Lucoand the same problem again :/
12:26:37gevaertsCan you try resetting your settings (Settings -> Manage Settings -> Reset Settings)? Although I can't think of a setting that should cause what you describe, I'd like to make *really* sure it doesn't happen with default settings
12:27:17Lucook
12:27:48Lucoits working ok for 5seconds
12:28:04Lucoand then i get the same hiss
12:28:14Lucoi dont know how to describe it
12:28:28Tornedoes it do it all the time?
12:28:45Lucoyes
12:28:47Tornespecificalyl does it still do it after it's finished buffering and there's no more disk activity?
12:29:07Lucoi'll try playing the whole song
12:29:53Lucoi have an ipod nano so my guess is there is no disk activity since it doesn't have one
12:30:34pixelmait has to load stuff from the flash memory which is what's being referred to here
12:30:47Lucook sorry :D
12:30:52Torne"disk" meaning "storage"
12:30:57Tornenot "thing that spins" :)
12:31:17Lucoits the same after 2 minutes
12:32:04Lucois there any way i can install an old build of rockbox?
12:32:51Lucoi have to run now, i'll be back later today
12:32:52Tornecompile it yourself
12:32:55Torneor try 3.7
12:32:55Lucothanks for yur help!
12:32:58Lucoi will
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12:33:04Tornewe only keep old releases, not regular builds
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13:00:04PsyBladeMy clip+ seemingly bricked out of the blue. Was running 3.8 since monday. Does not turn on on Powerbutton or USB. dmesg shows nothing.
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13:01:35Tornedo you get any static/interference while plugging/unplugging the headphones?
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13:01:47Torneit may not actually be powered off but simply crashed with the screen turned off
13:02:38PsyBladecant say wasnt wearing them
13:02:41TorneI mean now
13:04:09PsyBladeno interference on plugging
13:04:59Torneright, so if it's crashed with the screen off then you need to turn it off before it'll do anything: try holding the power button down for some time to try and force it to power off, maybe 20-30 seconds, i forget
13:05:28TorneIf it was actually off then it would power on when you connected USB, even if the battery was dead
13:05:37Tornesince it turns itself on to start charging
13:05:55TorneUnfortunately holding the power button is not guaranteed to work, it's not a "real" hardware reset
13:06:11Torneso you may just have to wait for the battery to run down, whcih may take days :(
13:07:34PsyBlade40 sec did the trick, only tried ~20 sec before comming here. tnx
13:07:42TorneAh, good
13:08:10Tornewhat were you doing when it crashed? was it just sitting there idle?
13:08:17PsyBladethe sansa page said 15 so I though it didnt work
13:10:30PsyBladeit was playing on sleep timer. I had to leave it. Several hours after the set time later it was in this state
13:11:27Tornehm, so it soudns like the sleep timer shutdown didn't work..
13:11:35Tornewhat version of rockbox do you have?
13:11:55PsyBladesleeptimer worked as expected several times before
13:12:17PsyBladeIm running 3.8 with minor issues
13:12:38PsyBladewas running 3.7.1 till 3.8
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13:30:43Buganinidoes cowon d2 port support recording or not? I see it appear in manual page and code, but I couldn't find it in my device. I'm using r29513.
13:33:08n1sBuganini: it's disabled AFAICT
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14:00:24Buganinin1s: is it considered harmful?
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14:04:13n1sBuganini: i don't know as i'm not involved in that port but i'd guess it just means it doesn't work an so hasn't been enabled
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14:08:36Buganinin1s: thanks for informations
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22:18:33pixelmakugel: does buffering on RaaAa work differently to other swcodec buffering? I'm asking because I try to find out more about a bug with the playlist viewport in the WPS which I thought I saw on my phone and in a sim but now it looks like it is a bit different in the sim
22:19:14kugelpixelma: codecs aren't prebuffered, that's the only difference
22:20:04pixelmaso it still tries to buffer as many tracks as possible and get their metadata
22:20:06pixelma?
22:20:55kugelyes
22:21:18kugelyou can see that in the debug buffering screen
22:22:20pixelmahmm
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22:36:06kugelpixelma: the ram size is different, though. 8MB on RaaA, whatever the target in real has in the sim
22:38:16kugeland I think the number of tracks the playlist viewer tag can show depends on how many tracks fit into the buffer
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23:50:28fogusI have a sansa clip+. I installed rockbox. it works great! I plugged it into my PC to put more media on it. I safely disconnected it. it asked me what language I wanted. I put english. it asked me my region. I put north america. then I was looking at the default clip+ interface again... why? how do I make the rockbox install perminant?
23:51:47TorneWuffWe use the original firmware for USB for now on the clip
23:51:55TorneWuffjust turn it off and then turn it on again
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23:52:40fogusTorne: will it do that every time I plug it in? what do you mean you use the original firmware? how does rockbox differ from the original firmware?
23:52:57TorneYes, until we implement USB support in rockbox
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23:53:23Torneit shouldn't prompt you for the settings, maybe you deleted the file with the settings for the original firmware in it
23:53:43fogusI didn't mess with the files. it asks me to choose english every time
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23:54:38fogusok, so all I have to do is reboot it to get into rockbox?
23:54:50Torneyes.
23:55:28fogusoh, and I have to turn it off to get USB support?
23:56:18Torneyes, you have to use Sansa's original firmware for USB for now
23:56:40fogusand do you know how to lock (put on hold) the clip+? I've been searching for a way. the manual.pdf way doesn't seem to work (holding "home")
23:56:45sideralyep
23:57:00fogusok, well, I don't mind rebooting it. that's fine.
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23:57:10fogusI thought I had to reload rockbox every time I added media
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23:57:44sideralI think it's select+home or home+select
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