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#rockbox log for 2011-03-08

00:00:08gevaertseleplex: you'll have to ask a question :)
00:00:59alexbobpI help only those who outwardly express the sort of help that is needed.
00:05:33eleplexii got fuze plus 8gb today
00:05:52eleplexi cant install rockbox on it
00:06:16gevaertsYes, that's expected. Rockbox doesn't work on the fuze plus
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00:07:38gevaertsTheSeven: did you see FS #11995?
00:08:52eleplexanybody know about this bug
00:08:58eleplexif i put flacs
00:09:21eleplex he start rebot on welcome screen
00:09:27eleplexin loop
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02:27:35stuntpenguin007Can anyone point me in the direction of the ipod nano 5g 1.0.2 ipsw?
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02:30:16stuntpenguin007found it. For future reference, it's here: http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPod/SBML/osx/bundles/061-7408.20091109.Kef5t/iPod_1.0.2_34A20020.ipsw
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03:15:28stuntpenguin007How were the 9 parts of the nano 5g firmware derived? I know that if you look at the firmware.mse with a hex editor, you can find 9 differant 87302 sections, which I'm assuming are the differant parts, but can the parts be disassembled somehow? I noticed that on: http://purpleskank.wikidot.com/ipod-nano-5g that it shows names of all the parts, which can't be found by looking with a hex editor which leads me to believe it
03:16:33saratoga_stuntpenguin007: i don't think anyone has been working on the nano5g
03:17:15stuntpenguin007Are there any colaborative hacking forums or anything for differant versions?
03:17:57saratoga_the freemyipod people have been doing some of the new ipod nano stuff, but i think its mostly been 2g/4g/classic
03:18:13saratoga_might be worth hanging out in both channels and see if anyone knows anything
03:18:22stuntpenguin007thanks
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04:28:01[Saint]Yeah...I'm not sure anyone is playing with the Nano5G atm.
04:28:57[Saint]The Nano3G & Nano4G have been getting a bit of love lately, but not the 5 as far as I know.
04:29:59[Saint]Actually, I think some of the work for the Nano3G was the foot in the door for the work in the Classic currently.
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05:02:12diodeI'm thinking of building a battery-powered charger for my Rockboxed player (sansa Fuze). What would RB do if the charge voltage drops? Would it be a major problem? Would it stop charging (thus not completely draining my charger batteries)?
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05:05:51jhMikeSat some point it would fail to detect their presence
05:06:42diodewould that happen at 4 volts? 3 volts?
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05:08:35jhMikeSDon't know off hand.
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05:10:27jhMikeSI think the charge path regulator is basically just a series mosfet, so it might have to be higher than the battery voltage to work.
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05:12:35jhMikeShas to be less than 5.5V
05:15:02diodeI don't follow. USB is 5V. I'm asking what would happen if that drops.
05:16:42jhMikeS4.0V-5.5V is the range
05:17:28jhMikeSpardon, *4.5-5.5
05:24:51diodeAlright, I'm gonna hook my player up to a variable voltage power supply and see what happens as I turn it down.
05:29:58jhMikeSthat's what the datasheet said...best i can do :)
05:31:13diodedatasheet for what?
05:31:44jhMikeSAMS charger
05:33:50diodelink?
05:40:00jhMikeSI think the as3525 datasheet is available at austriamicrosystems.com...at least I know it was.
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06:22:37rasherZagor: The wiki is generating links with different base than the one the server redirects to. Usually not a problem, but clicking on anything in the TOC on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DeviceChart causes a full reload because the urls do not match the loaded url.
06:23:01rasherZagor: (and any other same-page anchor links on any page, of course)
06:23:04n17ikhso I've some spare DAPs and I was thinking this would be an interesting feature.. be able to load up a song and control the player in USB mode, or use it outright as a USB sound card
06:23:10n17ikhany interest?
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06:26:07n17ikhhmm, some cursory googling shows I'm not the only one with this idea
06:27:18[Saint]JdGordon: Now you can make the popup work on my theme? ;)
06:27:33[Saint]Y'know...to errrr, show me how it works ;p
06:27:41JdGordonif the damn patch worked i would :p
06:27:57JdGordoni cant debug at work... so hopefully in a few hours
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06:50:36JdGordonany volunteers to bring back the x11 based sim/app? sdl over ssh (even sshfs) is stupidly slow for some reason
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07:24:20TheSevengevaerts: thanks, didn't notice that yet
07:25:38TheSevenwhat the heck
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07:27:44TheSevenfor me it just screendumps in an endless loop, so if others experience a stkov that way on flash-based targets (which create files faster) that might be an endless recursion instead
07:27:57TheSevenunplugging the charger doesn't stop it either
07:28:13TheSevendisabling screendump hardlocks with the "screendump disabled" splash on the lcd
07:28:15TheSevenideas?
07:30:20TheSevenit created 93 dumps for me before i killed it
07:31:14TheSeven(tested on an ipod classic)
07:31:27TheSevenfun fact: on the last dump there's the "screendump disabled" splash :)
07:33:11[Saint]haha....nice.
07:33:50[Saint]we can call it ".GIF mode" and have an LUA plugin to string the screenshots together into an animated .GIF ;p
07:34:19[Saint]Use it for the manuals ;)
07:37:54jhMikeSTheSeven: I can't say I have experienced such a thing on any target of mine, flash or otherwise
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07:47:30jhMikeShmmm...haven't screendumped for awhile though, so maybe
07:54:25jhMikeSon the beast I"m showing 97% stack use after a dump
07:56:24jhMikeSinitially it's at 6%
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07:59:20jhMikeSrunning USB mode only takes it to 31%
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08:34:26TheSevenjhMikeS: with SVN head?
08:34:48jhMikeSpretty close
08:34:52TheSevenand it only produces a single dump for you?
08:35:01TheSeven>=r29445?
08:35:09jhMikeSyes and yes
08:35:21TheSevenweird
08:35:44jhMikeSthat's cutting that stack pretty close though so it might overflow on some other target but not here
08:42:05TheSevenyeah, but why would it enter that weird loop instead of stkov'ing?
08:42:31TheSevenactually it seems like that looping is what causes the stkov on the e200
08:43:36TheSevenhm, according to FS the looping stuff only occurs when dircache is enabled
08:43:57TheSevennow *that*'s a really nice bug. nevertheless, I have to run now
08:45:08jhMikeSjust too add: stkov only happened if it actually overwrites the top word, not if it clobbers things above that point
08:45:13jhMikeS*happens
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10:05:53wodzhttp://www.pastie.org/1646593 <- can anyone explain me why I get this error?
10:06:10wodzstart symbol is defined only in crt0.S
10:07:15pamaurywodz: perhaps you specify the crt0 file in the linker and pass to the linker so it's linked twice
10:07:49wodzhmm
10:08:16pamaurysomething like: ld -T script crt0.o ==> crt0.o linked twice because there is an implicit one in the script
10:08:25wodzI see
10:09:02wodzyep, that did the trick - thank you
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10:52:05CIA-2New commit by 03thomasjfox (r29540): Remove major_version define from rpm .spec file, it's not needed
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11:03:35CIA-2r29540 build result: All green
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12:34:44JdGordonok, I'm getting ready to commit skin variables, does anyone want to comment?
12:35:01JdGordonor is this something which i really should explain in a email so everyone fuilly understands first?
12:35:14[Saint]possibly, yes.
12:35:23JdGordonah HA! you are around
12:35:29JdGordonignoring pings... tisk tisk
12:35:30[Saint]Just popped in.
12:35:49[Saint]and, Hmmm...I don't seem to be highlighted here.
12:35:58[Saint]in this channel?
12:35:59JdGordonin -community
12:36:21AlexPJdGordon: What do they do?
12:36:26AlexPOr let you do
12:37:03JdGordonits a bit hard to explain... bassically it lets you have much more control over what you want to display
12:37:16JdGordonthough my simple test sbs uses it to count
12:37:53AlexPI suspect people will want to know what it does :)
12:38:09[Saint]As much as I want to see it go in, the way commits are handled sometimes is a bit shabby. There's no harm in posting to the dev-ml and giving 24 hpours for someone to object if they're going to.
12:38:27AlexP24 hours is too short if that is why you are posting
12:38:29[Saint]*hours would be better.
12:38:29JdGordonone possible use (if we add a hotkey trigger for it) allows you to setup a bunch of "sub-screens" and then you can flick through them with a press of a button
12:38:41AlexPNot everybody can always check their email every day
12:39:13JdGordonoh, it will be going in, an email would be more as a curtesy and get more people understanding it to use it
12:39:27[Saint]That's there problem, it gives more of a chance than just committing immediately though.
12:39:47[Saint]24 hours is maybe short, but better than immediate.
12:40:17[Saint]Ew...I use there instead of "their"...yuck.
12:40:40AlexPJdGordon: Yeah, I didn't mean here, I meant to reply to what [Saint] said
12:41:11AlexPIf someone is posting to give people time to object then 24 hours is much too short
12:41:24AlexPJdGordon: I look forward to an explanation in the email then :)
12:41:33AlexPPerhaps some exampples would help
12:41:57[Saint]That's what I'm waiting on...to see an actual example of the syntax so I know how to use it.
12:42:11JdGordoni doubt it :) almost noone actually understands skin code not written by them
12:42:41[Saint]Sometimes you don't understand skin code written by you ;)
12:42:57JdGordonI dont understand it at all ever!
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12:43:03JdGordonoh the ironing
12:44:29AlexPI mean examples in real words
12:44:37AlexPWhat it'll let you do etc.
12:44:44JdGordonyeah, i'll do that now
12:45:23AlexPCheers :)
12:45:53JdGordonyou're gonna be writing the manual entry :D
12:46:42[Saint]"Skin variables are awesome, they let you do awesome things. Use them, the end."
12:48:54JdGordonthey do!
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12:56:00AlexPJdGordon: Even more reason that I should understand it :)
12:56:08AlexPI haven't got round to the last one yet either
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13:14:16AlexPgevaerts: Very slow for you too?
13:14:19gevaertsyes
13:19:44JdGordonok, email sent, hopefully not more confusing than need be
13:19:48JdGordonthough i doubt it
13:23:11*Zagor bumps server MaxClients to 500
13:23:37Bagder... from 250
13:23:40gevaertsZagor: an effect of not using mirrors?
13:23:50Zagorpossibly
13:25:35Zagorour bandwidth use has certainly risen accordingly
13:27:02Bagderbut what is a terrabyte among friends? =)
13:28:41gevaertsI don't know. Either 1000 or 1024 gigabytes, depending on the sort of friends you have :)
13:31:18JdGordonanyone want to discuss the dynamic screen size patch?
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13:44:45wodzJdGordon: about dynamic screen patch - my opinion is that the way to go is porting librsvg + libxml + libart which should be fairly easy on RaaA (malloc) and produce desired bitmaps on first run
13:45:37JdGordonthe problem isnt loading bitmaps... the problem is all the internal buffers and the general hardcoding of LCD_WIDTH/HEIGHT which it fixes
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13:46:36wodzthat too
13:46:55linuxstbJdGordon: Is there much use of LCD_WIDTH/HEIGHT in apps/ any more? I thought everything used the screens API?
13:48:21JdGordonnope
13:48:40JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11615 is the patch, although it very likely doesnt appply cleanly anymore
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13:51:18MeNeedHelpHello, are there kind rockboxers that could help me with problems with antialiased font conversion?
13:51:57MeNeedHelpBecouse info in wiki is too idiot-proof
13:55:17*JdGordon might just sync it us for sdl and commit it and let other RaaA ports decide to support it or not
13:56:59*kugel doesn't see the point
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14:02:26Luca_SJdGordon: with skin variables, would it be possible to create a 'multiscreen wps', e.g. one with a full-size album art that rotates to the info screen? maybe with optional timeout? if that's possible, then it's great :D
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14:10:56linuxstbkugel: You don't see the point in that dynamic screensize patch?
14:15:51kugellinuxstb: yes. IIRC it doesn't fix anything
14:19:26linuxstbkugel: Well, it fixes some things, no? Or you're saying it's completely useless?
14:21:45kugellinuxstb: because of the themes we're still bound to specific resolutions
14:24:27linuxstbYes...
14:26:11kugeland all the static buffers are changed to buffer_alloc() which means the the screen size needs to be known very early at boot and cannot really be changed afterwards; that's not really better than static buffers known at compile time
14:26:38kugeland lastly, I don't know any existing bug or limitation that's gone with the patch
14:26:58Zagorsure it is. it means single binary. that's a major improvement in raaa.
14:27:51kugela single binary, but not a single rockbox.{zip,apk,deb,...}
14:28:02Zagorit's a step
14:28:18Zagorwe can't get to single apk without it.
14:28:19gevaertsLet's start with the first step. When can we autobuild RaaA?
14:28:45gevaertsI think we mainly need an android toolchain name in rbclient
14:29:16gevaertsWhen we have that, we can autobuild the .so
14:29:16Zagoryes, that will let us do test builds at least
14:29:27linuxstbAnd the master build server needs to sign the binaries - IIIUC (android.make), the clients can create an unsigned apk, and then the master build server signs it to create the final one.
14:30:01kugelI wonder how the patch selects the built-in bitmaps (rockbox logo)
14:30:05Zagorlinuxstb: I don't like that. I don't want to sign a binary built by someone else.
14:30:17Zagorespecially since our build system is completely without authentication
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14:30:49kugelah, it selects one arbitrarily
14:30:55gevaertsWhile we're at it, let's declare the maemo toolchain too. That will be a bit more involved (running rbclient inside scratchbox, probably?), but then we can at least start working on it
14:31:23gevaertsIs it possible to check the signature on an apk and re-sign it?
14:31:55gevaertsIf so, we could have selected build clients with known signatures that are trusted by the master
14:32:00linuxstbgevaerts: Do we just need one maemo toolchain, and then the build scripts switch to the correct version before starting the build? Maybe that switch could be part of a normal "make" as well...
14:32:27kugelso a 240x320 apk gets a too large rockbox logo. worse than what we have now in my book
14:32:36gevaertslinuxstb: I'm not sure what the switch involves. Does the entire scratchbox environment swicth over, or just that one session?
14:32:59Zagorkugel: I agree, that needs to be fixed
14:33:28linuxstbgevaerts: I'm not sure...
14:33:59kugelsomeone should just try to build maemo outside scratchbox. our build system can most certainly do it
14:34:35gevaertskugel: then we have no test building of the stuff that's uploaded to maemo.org
14:35:28kugeldoes maemo.org build the packages?
14:36:23gevaertsAs far as I understand, yes
14:36:50kugelwe're not going to let it do our current builds, do we?
14:36:51gevaertsWell, for the regular open source ones. If you upload to non-free, that's different, but we don't want that
14:36:58gevaertsI hope not :)
14:37:03gevaertsI'd say the stable releases
14:37:30gevaertsAnd our own apt repository for current builds
14:37:43kugelwe could build current builds with our system but stay scratchbox compatible for releases no?
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14:38:04gevaertsYes, but that's a different kind of extra work
14:38:58gevaertsAnd we'd end up with release builds that were not necessarily built with exactly the same toolchain/environment as the current builds, i.e. they'd be untested
14:39:30gevaertsIt's only two builds, so if two or three clients have the right setup, that's fine
14:39:50kugeli proposed to use the same tools that scratchbox uses, just not within scratchbox
14:40:13kugelotoh I don't feel very strong about maemo :)
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17:48:41kugelFWIW, I ran test_gfx with mono vs aa font: no noticeable difference, the bottle neck must be somewhere else
17:49:27kugelthe little loop optimization I have pending makes more difference than the alpha blending apparently
17:56:36gevaertskugel: unchanged test_gfx?
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17:56:41gevaertsThat uses SYSFONT
17:56:47kugelreally?
17:56:54gevaertsYes
17:57:00kugelgr
17:57:09gevaertsThe entire difference you see is that one extra if()
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17:59:22kugelgevaerts: I don't see a sysfont related call in it
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18:05:31kugelalright, for the same font size AAF seems to be ~45% slower
18:06:03kugelbut 12-adobe is also noticeably slower than the sysfont, so the font size is also a significant factor
18:06:44kugelit still manages 6k strings per second on my fuzev2 so not a problem I'd say
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18:11:59CIA-2New commit by 03kugel (r29541): Merge lcd_{alpha,mono}_bitmap_part() for both lcd-16bit. Add small loop optimizations too.
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18:36:13LambdaCalculus37toffe82: As I mentioned before, I finally sat with the MEG50JS and played with the update script in the firmware update. I wiped the script, added "echo 'Cool for cats' > /mnt/hdd/coolforcats.txt" into it, ran it, and got my coolforcats.txt file. :)
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18:37:00LambdaCalculus37toffe82: So like the Gigabeat F/X, if we play with a few Linux commands on it, we can perhaps even get to the flash ROM and dump it. :)
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19:09:56LambdaCalculus37I've been reworking the HDD6330 keymapping a little bit; the current keymap somewhat sloppy and hard to use. It's also inconsistent with confirmation messages; e.g. PLAY to confirm when it's actually FFWD that confirms.
19:17:02pamaurycan someone who knows SD advise me some document on it ? Like a specification or something technical
19:19:08bertriksdcard.org released a "simplified specification", that's a good starting point
19:19:25bertrikit misses the sd card timing specification IIRC
19:19:50pamaurythat's not a problem, I'll have a look
19:19:59sideralpamaury: I've been running with a (slightly enhanced version of) your dump-open-files patch, and so far I haven't found any files left open when shutting down/going to USB slave mode other than the currently played file and the font file (/.rockbox/fonts/08-Rockfont.fnt)
19:20:27sideralBut sometimes these file were open multiple times :)
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19:21:53sideralThis can happen when connecting USB when the DB is busy, then disconnecting before the DB thread responds to the connect event (and hence, the my unmount code isn't run)
19:22:53sideralIf I discover something more interesting, I'll update FS #11883. Can you subscribe to this tracker item?
19:24:26sideralpamaury: If you don't mind, I'll also post your patch to this FS task
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19:28:05pamauryok no problem
19:29:44pamaurybertrik: which part(s) of the specification are of interest ?
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19:30:58bertrikpamaury, I guess nearly all of it, but you can probably the SPI stuff
19:31:52pamaurythe fuze+ SoC has a SSP IP block so it should handle the low level part, I'm only interested in the commands basically
19:32:47bertrikthe commands are actually slightly different between SPI and SD mode
19:37:47bertrikAs far as I know, a SSP block can do SPI. SPI has a slightly simpler command set and a simpler bus (like no bidirectional cmd line)
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19:41:31pamaurythi SSP block seems to support lots of things, as SD/MMC mode
19:41:34pamaury*like
19:41:47pamaurySDIO too
19:43:34bertrikSPI mode is purely serial, just 1 bit per clock, so fairly slow compared to SD mode. I would go for SD mode then. I don't know much about SDIO, probably very similar to SD, just not limited to SD cards.
19:44:33pamaurywell, I'll try to infer from the code, that's for reverse engineering purpose currently
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19:53:40bluebrotherhmm, this issue about the Theme Editor mentioned in the forums is somewhat nasty.
19:54:06bluebrotheron the one hand it's easy to fix it finding the bitmaps if you use the "normal" folder structure.
19:54:43IuDexHi all. I have problem: sometimes CLIP+ is recognized by system as a M200PLUS but sometimes it works correctly. It was completly dead but now Rockbox starded. Does anyone know what's going on?:D
19:54:59bluebrotherbut if you're loading a wps file and do _not_ have it somewhere below wps/ then it will fail.
19:55:57bluebrotherso: is that important enough for a "proper" fix or is it sufficient to make it work if the wps is below wps/?
19:56:14bluebrothera wps without cfg doesn't make much sense, at least in most cases.
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20:03:03IuDexhuh I opened player and clip works great ;xxxx
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20:33:30CIA-2New commit by 03thomasjfox (r29542): Move handle_auto_poweroff() down so RaaA can call it. ...
20:33:33CIA-2New commit by 03thomasjfox (r29543): Bring idle poweroff to RaaA and the sim
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20:41:16linuxstbthomasjfox: Did anyone tell you that firmware code must not call functions in apps? (re: your recent changes for bookmarking)
20:41:21CIA-2r29543 build result: All green
20:41:38thomasjfoxlinuxstb: Yes, amiconn did
20:42:13thomasjfoxlinuxstb: Didn't hear a better solution though when I asked for it
20:42:25thomasjfoxlinuxstb: In the meantime I've come up with something
20:43:46thomasjfoxlinuxstb: FS #10754 could do the trick
20:44:34thomasjfoxlinuxstb: Polishing the patch in there would mean firmware doesn't need to do the bookmarking as it's handled by idle poweroff anyway
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20:49:52thomasjfoxlinuxstb: There's an issue with the patch in FS #10754 I need an opinion on: It hooks in the ACTION_WPS_PLAY from apps/gui/wps.c
20:50:09thomasjfoxlinuxstb: Is that the best place to capture if the user pressed play?
20:51:20thomasjfoxlinuxstb: apps/playback.c:audio_play() looks like a better but uncleaner place (mixing playback with the sleep timer)
20:52:51*gevaerts looks for gsoc mentors
20:56:44gevaertslinuxstb: your name is still listed as a potential mentor with the "Improved video playback" project idea on SummerOfCode2011. It's there (I think) because saratoga copied that block from last year's page. Do you have time for mentoring this year?
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21:11:34bluebrotherhmm. Rockbox doesn't seem to like the fnt I've created with a cross compiled convttf
21:14:48bluebrotherhmm. The one converted on Linux works. Guess I should look into the compiler warnings ...
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21:17:13b0hoonLambdaCalculus37: (for the logs) confirmation messages (and the other) are set in the lang files. There's a lot of DAPs which have OK on other button than PLAY, including Ipods.
21:19:21ej0rgeHey, my build client stopped working properly on the 5th. All the stuff the wiki says is required seems to be installed. Any ideas? log snippet: http://pastebin.com/agkK2N9w
21:19:51thomasjfoxej0rge: Do you have freetype-devel or something like that installed?
21:21:11thomasjfoxej0rge: Yep, the 5th was the commit date of AA fonts. You need freetype development files on your build host now
21:21:59*gevaerts still isn't convinced that convttf should be built automatically
21:22:00ej0rgeah
21:22:06ej0rgeok, will find 'em
21:22:14bertrikwe should document the freetype requirement on the wiki, if it's really required
21:22:30thomasjfoxping kugel
21:23:18ej0rgeok, installed libfreetype6-dev, hopefully that'll do it
21:23:23ej0rgethanks
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21:23:59bluebrotherbuilding convttf shows a couple of warnings on my machine. Is that only for me?
21:24:49thomasjfoxgevaerts: Having it build automatically means we will see build warnings after a commit ;)
21:25:25gevaertsthomasjfox: yes, but it's a tool that's not impacted by any other change, and we don't actually have any ttf fonts that get converted
21:25:29thomasjfoxbluebrother: Wouldn't the other, working build hosts show the warning, too?
21:26:13thomasjfoxgevaerts: If we can automatically build it at minimal cost (set up freetype-devel once), then IMHO it's ok
21:26:30bluebrotherthomasjfox: I would expect that.
21:26:38thomasjfoxSpeaking of the tools, it would make life easier for me if they would be part of the build dir
21:26:47gevaertsthomasjfox: how easy is it to get freetype development stuff going on cygwin?
21:27:17kugelthomasjfox: pong
21:27:18thomasjfoxI share a NFS volume between my normal host and the ARM system and it sucks I have to run "make veryclean" when switching between those two
21:27:27gevaertspatches welcome :)
21:27:43Leargevaerts: Download two packages with Cygwin setup.
21:27:48thomasjfoxkugel: Just wanted to wake you up for the convttf discussion :)
21:28:08gevaertsLear: right. That seems easy enough
21:28:19thomasjfoxkugel: And one other question: Does the uisimulator/* stuff get included on android (I guess not)?
21:28:31kugelno
21:28:38gevaertsA documentation update and an email to the build client mailing list should do it then
21:28:45kugelI'm proud I got rid of it :>
21:29:24thomasjfoxkugel: :) Ok. Then I'll need a little code surgery in there to fix CONFIG_RTC for RaaA
21:29:30kugelI said it before, I don't care much whether convttf is built or not, if you think it should be deactivated then change it
21:29:53kugelthomasjfox: can't we make direct library calls?
21:30:06thomasjfoxkugel: Yes, we will in about 20 minutes ;)
21:30:15thomasjfoxkugel: The sim stubs already do this
21:30:48thomasjfoxkugel: We just need to move them to the soon-to-be-created firmware/hosted/rtc.c
21:31:08bluebrotherwhat does \e[K do in the printf statement?
21:31:58gevaertsbluebrother: shell printf, or C?
21:32:22bluebrothergevaerts: C
21:32:29bluebrotherin convttf.c
21:32:31gevaertsoh, it doesn't actually matter...
21:32:33kugelbluebrother: IIRC it makes the shell go back a line
21:32:36gevaertsescape [ K
21:32:45bluebrotherbut that should be \r ...
21:32:52kugelso that all output is on the same line
21:33:06gevaertsThat's a terminal escape sequence, for some terminals...
21:33:47bluebrotherit has two problems: (1) it isn't properly escaped, at least my compiler says that. (2) it doesn't work on Windows.
21:34:07gevaertsIt's only ever going to work on vt100-like systems
21:34:44gevaertsAnd it's not ISO C
21:34:51gevaerts(\e I mean)
21:35:12gevaerts:q
21:36:01bluebrotheryep, that's what my compiler is complaining about (the ISO C thing)
21:36:38gevaertsOh, and it also gives a load of warnings here
21:37:13gevaertsMaybe different options if you run make in tools, or if it's build within the regular build?
21:37:37bluebrotherno idea. I just used make convttf in tools
21:38:17bluebrotherthe bad thing is that the files created by the Windows binary and linux binary are almost completely different :(
21:40:15bluebrotherhmm, that inclusion of windows.h doesn't seem to be necessary
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21:43:24Learkugel: First go at making convttf create equally wide digits: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12000
21:43:42gevaertshttp://pastebin.com/eSNarKy7 gets rid of the warnings here
21:44:50bluebrotherLear: is it safe to put non-ASCII characters in source code (i.e. outside of comments)?
21:45:07LearDid I do that in the patch?
21:45:11gevaertsAh, tools/Makefile adds -Wshadow -pedantic
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21:45:34bluebrothergevaerts: which is a good thing :)
21:45:36gevaertsand -std=c99
21:46:15kugelLear: FS #12k, nice one :)
21:46:17*bluebrother vanishes for a couple of minutes
21:46:34gevaertsNo changes in the output with that patch
21:48:04jhMikeSkugel: the patch from a couple day ago? I'm not *100%* sure. didn't it not change things as intended anyway afa not advancing the playlist early?
21:48:19kugelafa?
21:48:28jhMikeS"as far as" :)
21:50:21jhMikeSThings looked ok but I didn't actually run it. No problems?
21:52:01kugelwell, it worked for my pupose but I'm not sure if other event receivers possibly rely on the early-ness?
21:53:30kugelI thought you might know why it's so early in the first place too
21:54:15jhMikeSthat's where it actually switches the playlist over to the next song
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21:54:45CIA-2New commit by 03thomasjfox (r29544): RaaA: Add RTC support
21:55:32jhMikeSI'm not sure about all receivers unless I find them. tagtree needs to have the correct automatic_skip value
21:57:49jhMikeSlooks ok for that
21:57:58thomasjfoxlinuxstb: I've got to leave soonish. Just leave me a comment in the logs / FS #10754
21:58:38CIA-2r29544 build result: All green
21:58:52thomasjfoxgevaerts: Any chance on getting automated android builds?
21:59:02gevaertsthomasjfox: yes
21:59:09gevaertsThere is a chance of getting automated android builds :)
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21:59:28thomasjfoxLike ehrm... soonish?
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22:00:23thomasjfoxI do my best not to break android though I can't guarantee it ;)
22:01:15thomasjfoxgotta run. Cu
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22:02:04jhMikeStargtree and hosted look like the only receivers
22:03:20kugelI seem to (mis-)remember that grep found more for me
22:03:28amiconnHaving the tools built in the build directory would suck too. It would mean I'd have like 30+ copies of the tools to be built
22:04:02gevaertsDidn't we once decide that having a tools/<arch> build directory would be a good plan?
22:04:02amiconnI do see the problem with cross-architecture shareing of working copies though
22:04:07jhMikeSkugel: there's mpeg.c, but that's a source
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22:04:38amiconnYeah, having a host architecture dependent tools build directory would probably be best
22:04:54*amiconn could share between the vm and cygwin (for sapi voice) this way
22:05:08bluebrotherwhat do people think about adding an about dialog to the theme editor the same way Rockbox Utility has? I.e. having the complete CREDITS file included?
22:06:02CIA-2New commit by 03bluebrother (r29545): Fix wrong theme base path when loading a wps. ...
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22:06:45AlexPgevaerts: I'm happy to do the prod people for progress/general stuff, but I clearly can't help on the technical front
22:07:25gevaertsAlexP: I'm still fairly convinced that a gsoc mentor's job is not to know technical stuff
22:07:37AlexPIn that case I'm your man :)
22:09:35CIA-2r29545 build result: All green
22:10:42*bluebrother doesn't expect to have more free time this summer than last year
22:10:59bluebrotherand I wasn't too satisfied with my own performance −− just not enough time
22:11:20amiconngevaerts: It would probably be easier to add automated android builds if installToolchain.sh actually worked
22:12:38amiconnFor me, the first two steps (extracting and installing the sdk and the ndk) did work, but the last one (installing platforms) did not
22:12:48*gevaerts tries here
22:13:26amiconnI had to resort to the sdk manager's menu mod, but that one needs gtk and X -> Not possible in my VM
22:13:42amiconns/mode/mode/
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22:19:26pamauryAm I a valid mentor ?
22:19:29pamaury(for GSOC)
22:20:06gevaertsIf you have enough time, and you're not planning to take part as a student, why not?
22:21:07pamauryI will not take part as a student for sure
22:21:23pamaurybut that's a bit strange to be a mentor of someone probably older than me :)
22:22:59pamaurynow I need to decide which project I'm ready to mentor
22:23:21gevaertsThat's not too urgent
22:23:40n1sI could probably be a mentor too but what i'm going to do this sumemr is still very unclear...
22:23:41pamauryok, then I'll just add myself to the list
22:24:39gevaertsIf some of those projects especially interest you, by all means add yourself there too, but there's more than technical interest to assigning a mentor
22:27:03bluebrotheris that testing thing up to GSoC?
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22:33:27n1sgevaerts: when does one have to decide to want to be a mentor or not?
22:35:28gevaertsn1s: depends. I'd like some serious candidates now (to make sure google doesn't get the impression we can't do it due to lack of manpower), but actually assigning mentors to projects has to be done by April 22
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22:36:19n1si haven't felt motivated to work on rb stuff for a while now so i would like that motivation to come back first :)
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22:36:34*gevaerts nods
22:36:50CIA-2New commit by 03kugel (r29546): Return -1 for not implemented RTC functions.
22:37:18gevaertsamiconn: after installing the realpath package, installToolchain.sh finished without errors
22:37:47amiconnDid it actually install the platforms?
22:38:32gevaertsIt said things like "Installed SDK Platform Android 1.5, API 3, revision 4", so I think so
22:40:26amiconnThere should be several subfolders named android-N (N= some number) in the ndk folder
22:40:34CIA-2r29546 build result: All green
22:41:40gevaertsThose seem to be there
22:42:09amiconnHmm. I wonder what went wrong here then
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22:45:48JdGordondoes anyone have major problems with me commiting the dynamic screen size patch only for sdlapp in the next few days?
22:48:42TheSevenn1s: didn't you have some unsupported ipod model?
22:48:49TheSevenisn't that enough motivation? :)
22:49:17n1sTheSeven: i have a nano4g, yes
22:49:48*TheSeven waits for someone to kick off that port :)
22:49:55*n1s too :)
22:50:23n1sseriously though, i dont't even know how to get that port going
22:51:00TheSevendisassemble the bootloader and write code to initialize the CPU, MMU, memory controller, PMU, SDRAM and LCD
22:51:34TheSeveneverything except the lcd should be mostly straight forward
22:52:33TheSevenonce that's done, figure out how to access the NAND flash, and how the bootloader is stored on it
22:53:47n1sok, is a dump of that bootloader available somewhere?
22:53:57TheSevenyes, on apple's download servers :)
22:54:38n1shmm, maybe i have it
22:54:56TheSevenyou need to decrypt it, but you can boot emcore through the notes exploit to do that
22:55:36bluebrotherconvttf crashes on a specific ttf when run in Wine. Interesting.
22:57:14saratogaare all these database problems people reporting (e.g. FS #11965 ) likely related to DB changes, or are they just disk corrupt being exposed by the database?
22:57:37saratoga'*PANIC* Updating reserved FAT entry' or '*PANIC* sounds like something the DB shouldn't be able to cause but i'm not sure how it really works
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23:18:47linuxstbgevaerts: Regarding convttf, I agree about removing it from the "all:" target in tools/Makefile. If/when it is actually needed as part of the build process, it should be enabled only for those targets which need it.
23:19:11gevaertsLike "make fonts", I guess
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23:22:59B4gderor the tools things we have in configure
23:23:14B4gderthat lists tools to build for a particular target
23:25:53bluebrotherdoes anyone have convttf running in Cygwin, and does it run properly there?
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23:28:23linuxstbB4gder: Yes, that's what I had in mind.
23:28:54kugelbluebrother: Buschel made it work
23:29:33bluebrotherok ...
23:29:34linuxstbgevaerts: I'm not sure about mentoring yet. I doubt I will have time, but I'll be involved in the selection process. I saw my name on the wiki, but decided to leave it there for now.
23:29:49gevaertsOK
23:30:49linuxstbamiconn: I also had the same trouble as you installing Android - maybe I didn't have realpath installed at the time.
23:33:15linuxstbgevaerts: Also, I'm starting to think that the mentor's job _should_ be a technical one. At least one person should take a close interest in the student's work and review any patches. Plus, if the student disappears after the summer, someone needs to be able to maintain it.
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23:36:56linuxstbJdGordon: Regarding the dynamic LCD size patch, how do you propose to integrate it in the SDL app? i.e. how will the LCD size be selected? Also, I'm not convinced it needs to be committed until the other problems are solved (or at least, a solution is agreed).
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23:47:53gevaertslinuxstb: it probably depends on the student
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23:51:22linuxstbgevaerts: Maybe...
23:52:57gevaertslinuxstb: I actually think the ideal mentor is a team consisting of one people person (⁣who prods the student when needed, and listens to complaints from the student), and one technical person
23:54:43CIA-2New commit by 03dave (r29547): Remove an erroneous tab
23:56:20JdGordonlinuxstb: −−lcd-size=480x800 on the command line
23:56:38JdGordonwhat are the pther problems?
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23:57:25JdGordonlinuxstb: the last really outstanding issue is dealing with compiled in images which is really a side issue and should be fixed by not compiling in any bitmaps for RaaA at all
23:58:25CIA-2r29547 build result: All green
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