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#rockbox log for 2011-03-17

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02:58:09diodeIs the list of changes _past_ "since last release" and "last four weeks" saved somewhere that I can access?
02:58:31JdGordon|in the svn changelog only
02:58:45saratogahttp://www.rockbox.org/since-3.7.html
02:58:52saratogai think thats the only other one
02:59:18diode thanks guys
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03:47:28*[Saint] is having "issues" setting the ANDROID_S/N DK_PATH env vars :/
03:47:50[Saint]echo $ANDROID_SDK_PATH
03:47:59[Saint]saint@ubuntu:~$ cd Rockbox/rockbox/RaaA/
03:48:51[Saint]"/bin/sh: arm-linux-androideabi-gcc: not found"
03:48:56[Saint]:/
03:49:40[Saint]whoops, c/p'd the wrong line from the terminal.
03:50:11[Saint]it's set correctly, according to "echo $ANDROID_S/N DK_PATH"
03:50:29[Saint]but, ./configure can't seem to find it.
03:52:30JdGordon|thwe obvious question is did you actually get the right packages?
03:52:52JdGordon|can you manually find gcc under that path?
03:55:12[Saint]yes
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04:00:17JdGordon|you're doing something wrong then
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04:05:18jhMikeSdo they need "export" ??
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04:13:55[Saint]JdGordon|: well...if you can tell me what it is, great.
04:13:57[Saint]http://pastebin.com/XnrHmzKz
04:14:10[Saint]because, it doesn't seem such a clear cut case to me.
04:14:31JdGordon|pretty sure you actually have to set those env vars.. not just add them to $PATH
04:14:40[Saint]as far as my terminal is concerned...my path is fine and configure is fucked.
04:15:08JdGordon|yeah
04:15:33JdGordon|configure is looking for /home/Android/android-ndk-r5b/arm-linux-androideabi-gcc which doesnt exist
04:15:44JdGordon|export NADOIRD_NDK_PATH=/home/Android/android-ndk-r5b
04:15:48JdGordon|ditto SDK_OPATH
04:15:48[Saint]yeah it's fucked, or yeah you're reaffirming your previous statement?
04:15:50JdGordon|then rerun it
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04:35:47CIA-2New commit by 03jethead71 (r29608): No need to save irq again after thread wakeup in queue_wait(_w_tmo), just disable it.
04:39:50CIA-2r29608 build result: All green
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08:08:11JdGordon|bugger... i seem to have killed the android framebuffer with the dyn screen size patch :/
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08:08:22JdGordon|goood thing Zagor made me test it! :p
08:09:04teasp00nhey guys, am new to rockbox dev. Where is the best place to start?
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08:13:34JdGordon|teasp00n: here...
08:13:43JdGordon|depends entirely what you want to break^H^H^H^Hfix
08:17:57teasp00nlol
08:18:25teasp00nwell I'm looking over the bootloader atm although i suspect i dont need too
08:18:27JdGordon|lurking here and the bug tracker is generally the best places though
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08:18:38JdGordon|bootloader is a waste of time
08:18:54JdGordon|well, unless thats what interests you
08:18:56teasp00nyeah i might look at the bug tracker then create a big problem out of a small one ;)
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08:20:45teasp00nyeah, I've done some low level dev at uni so would be interesting to see how the bootloader actually works
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08:22:46teasp00nThanks Jd
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08:52:51[Saint]JdGordon|: I have been thinking about a configurable alternative to the forced line height patch, do you think it would be possible to create a setting for "Add X to Line Selector" where X is a value between 0~whatever in 2 px increments (so settings are 0, 2, 4, ..., etc and each "step" adds/removes 1px blank space top&bottom to the line selector while centering the text).
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08:53:17[Saint]heh...I realise now seeing it out there how ambitious that might be 0_0
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08:55:40[Saint]also kugel: ^
08:55:55[Saint](since you know how you did the line height patch in the first place)
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09:01:42JdGordon|I dont have time to talk but i want to know.. why on earth isnt/cant it be configurable anyway?
09:03:21[Saint]I've no idea...obviously I'm biased, but I think something like I just proposed located in the line selector settings menu would be ideal.
09:03:34[Saint]at the very least, I'd like to be able to turn it on/off.
09:05:20Zagor[Saint]: a simple line height setting should be enough, imho.
09:05:47Zagorincluding "auto" or "font size" as a value
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12:52:29Torneis there some way to clear the dynamic playlist that I'm not aware of? :)
12:52:42Tornethe behaviour of insert when there's no playlist is nice but you can't get back to that behaviour easily
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16:35:27olejorgenbis there some magic button combo to force a restart when my clip+ has locked up?
16:36:11olejorgenbif froze up near the end of the creation of a dynamic playlist consiting of all the songs
16:36:53olejorgenbI've tried holding the off button and a bunch of other keys without any effect
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17:04:04gevaertsolejorgenb: holding the power button for up to a minute should help
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17:05:09olejorgenbgevaerts: thanks!, that did the trick
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17:42:12teasp00nIs Rockbox going to be a mentor for Google Summer of Code this year?
17:47:52gevaertsWe have applied
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17:50:08saratogawe usually get accepted
17:50:22teasp00nOK cool, do we have any project ideas? I was thinking we could have them implement some functionality on the Android port.
17:50:45teasp00nSomething like the FM transmitter
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17:51:37teasp00nThoughts?
17:52:03teasp00nscratch the, FM receiver
17:52:07teasp00nthat*
17:52:50saratogathats probably not ambitious enough
17:54:05teasp00nAhh OK
17:54:46teasp00nWhat are some of the projects we've had done previously?
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18:05:08wodzI went through reading the history of porting some TTS to rb. The only real candidate is eSpeak. The problem with eSpeak license is that author doesn't understand why GPLv3 is no go for us. Maybe we should ask him again about relicensing the code but with strong rationale.
18:06:13n1swodz: yes, that would be great
18:07:14n1si don't remember if we had a discussion about releasing rockbox under gplv3 or if we have any v2 only code
18:07:59wodzn1s: I think we have parts of code from linux kernel so GPLv2 only
18:09:06n1swe do? i thought there was only a strstr() implementation from linux and that was replaced from some source with a different license
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18:12:49gevaertsIIRC there's one v2 only usb header
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18:16:49wodzmy commit of 3d enhancement?
18:18:23n1syes, it probably can't tell the difference between an actual translation update and some other commit touching the file
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18:50:36alquistushi i need a help with ipod nano´s display
18:53:04AlexPJust ask, if someone knows the answer then they'll say sooner or later
18:54:01alquistusi need to connect display from ipod nano 2nd gen with avr mcu
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18:55:31AlexPWhat is "avr mcu", and what do you mean by "connect display" ?
18:55:44AlexPIf you mean video out, then Rockbox doesn't support it
18:57:30alquistusavr mcu is avr based microcontroller like atxmega
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18:59:01saratogaalquistus: you'd have to check the datasheet for your LCD and the display controller, but this is probably better suited for #rockbox-community
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19:01:24alquistussaratoga: thanks and can you tell me how i can join in #rockbox-community i am on IRC first time
19:01:38u42ptype /join #rockbox-community
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19:01:58u42pwith the /
19:02:15alquistusthanks a lot
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20:19:17*amiconn would be in favour of Rockbox switching to GPLv3
20:20:10amiconn(+)
20:21:03amiconnAnother idea for RaaA devices wirh network access would be streaming support (web radio)
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20:56:35wodzWhat would be the benefit of switching to GPLv3? No flame I am just curious.
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20:59:13amiconnwodz: One benefit would be that we could integrate espeak w/o licensing problems
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21:00:25wodzand second?
21:06:09itdudeits a newer version! =P
21:07:28wodzthat's rather weak argument
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21:12:37Torneit would prevent someone using Rockbox to make a tivoized DAP
21:12:57Tornebut since nobody has used rockbox to make a DAP at all this is probably not a relevant concern
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21:17:10gevaertsThe choices are basically "remain v2+", "move to v3+", or "allow v3+ code"
21:18:17wodzwhat is the difference between 2) and 3) ?
21:18:38Torneread the FSF's info on this topic :)
21:18:43Torneoh
21:19:12gevaerts3) allows v2 projects to keep borrowing code from us
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21:19:39wodzso what's the problem?
21:20:18gevaertsI'm not sure how relevant that is today, but it has been cited as a reason to remain v2 in the past
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21:22:01gevaertsWe do need to resolve the (few) possible issues before any actual move though
21:22:03wodzgevaerts: I don't get it - we want to share code don't we?
21:22:11gevaertswodz: exactly
21:22:38wodzso if 3) allows this what's the problem
21:22:50gevaertsYou asked the difference between 2) and 3) :)
21:22:59gevaertsThat's one major difference
21:23:13gevaertsStrict v3+ does not allow v2-only projects to borrow from us
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21:29:51n1swouldn't relicensing v2+ as v2 be imposing "further restrictions"?
21:30:06*amiconn would even prefer option (2)
21:30:19gevaertsn1s: no
21:30:47n1sok
21:31:00gevaertsv2+ is basicaally, "v2 or v3 or v..., your choice"
21:31:14n1si don't really care what licesne we use as long as it doesn't get in the way which it is doing now
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21:31:49n1sgevaerts: so they see that as a separate thing from the actual license?
21:32:11gevaertsn1s: that's how I understand it, yes
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21:37:19saratoga_if we want to use espeak we should just distribute v3 binaries
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21:37:55tails_Hi there
21:38:38tails_Does rockbox renders screen then LCD is turned off?
21:39:01gevaertsNo. It may render when only the backlight is turned off though. That depends on the player
21:39:20tails_Cowon D2
21:39:48tails_but LCD seems to be turned off
21:40:21*gevaerts didn't mean that he knows how this is done for all players :)
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21:41:02tails_oh and rockpaint doesn't seems to display anttialiased fonts in font selector
21:41:14tails_just blank line
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21:42:00tails_antialiased*
21:42:48n1ssaratoga_: that means we need to decide we allow v3 code in the repo and that all code we have is v3 compatible
21:43:23saratoga_n1s: we could just make a case by case decision beginning with espeak
21:43:35saratoga_since theres not much GPLv3 code out there it doesn't seem like it would be a big issue
21:43:53n1ssure, but the second point is still an issue
21:44:10saratoga_from what i remember, there was just a tiny bit of easily replaced v2 code, but i'm not 100% sure
21:44:13saratoga_its been a while since we discussed this
21:44:33n1si remember something similar but we should make sure
21:47:11tails_rockbox moving to GPLv3?
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21:47:53n1swe're discussing the possibility
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