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#rockbox log for 2011-03-18

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00:30:13preglowany android app killers that can actually manage to kill rockbox? :>
00:31:21JdGordon|svn has idle poweroff now iirc
00:31:35preglowyeah, know, gonna make a new build
00:31:46preglowfor now i guess i'll just power cycle this thing :>
00:31:55JdGordon|you dont need to do that
00:32:02preglowcan't make rockbox die
00:32:05preglowand it's hung
00:32:12JdGordon|settings > applications > running apps > rockbox > force close
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00:32:14preglowkinda need the music to go away for the night
00:32:27preglowui is stuck in wps, can't do shit
00:32:53JdGordon|cant press menu?
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00:33:06JdGordon|call it. it should drop out of rockbox
00:33:08preglownope
00:33:32preglowdon't think i'll pester anyone to call me right now, easier to just power it off
00:34:07preglowthough i'd love to see the response when i start calling people at 01:00 to ring my phone so i can shut my music off :P
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03:54:58DarthCaitSithhello
03:57:38[Saint]DarthCaitSith: Hi, if you have a question, just ask it, if someone can help they will.
03:58:09DarthCaitSithwas wondering if anyone knew what the lastoffset field is in the tagcache database
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04:08:48DarthCaitSithalso was wondering if someone could add me to the miki user group so i could update the wiki to include the field
04:09:24[Saint]have you registered already?
04:09:27JdGordon|I presume the lastoffset is for the auto resume feature
04:09:56DarthCaitSithyes
04:10:24[Saint]what is your name?
04:10:34DarthCaitSithJoseph Broderick (DarthCaitSith)
04:12:22[Saint]DarthCaitSith: Done
04:12:43DarthCaitSiththanks
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04:14:38DarthCaitSithwriting a little python script to go through my player and delete played podcasts
04:17:43DarthCaitSithstill getting access denied
04:19:30[Saint]Hmmm...one sec.
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04:20:55[Saint]DarthCaitSith: Can you try to log in/edit now please?
04:21:14DarthCaitSithok
04:21:45DarthCaitSithno go
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04:23:25[Saint]I have added you to the wikiusersgroup, and the page http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/JosephBroderick now exists...I don't know what more the wiki wants to keep it happy.
04:23:46[Saint]Have you recieved the confirmation mail regarding your pword?
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04:24:05[Saint]s/pwrod/pword&registration etc./
04:24:57DarthCaitSithnope
04:25:35[Saint]Hmmm...I suspect a swede is needed to give that side of things a nudge.
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04:25:46DarthCaitSithno hurry
04:25:46[Saint]I have done what I'm able to do for now.
04:26:58[Saint]If you're not on IRC when someone who can do something about this sees it, I suspect you'll get a mail from someone if not the original automated message when it's resolved.
04:27:15[Saint]The wiki has been being annoying to some people.
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06:45:50pixelmaDarthCaitSith. did you register as "JosephBroderick" or as "DarthCaitSith"? The second seems to exist too without an own page though but it shouldn't
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06:56:28DarthCaitSithi reged as DarthCaitSith
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07:02:22pixelmaDarthCaitSith: that's not a valid wiki user name and I guess [Saint] thought you registered with the first and set that one up for you
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07:12:13[Saint]Aha...silly me for thinking you followed the wiki guidlines I guess ;)
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07:14:00[Saint]this means I now need to remove the JosephBroderick page, because if you try to register with that name now it'll probably mess up because the page already exists.
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07:31:35pixelma[Saint]: I don't think "normal" users are allowed to delete pages /if nothing has changed lately)
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07:39:32[Saint]pixelma: I couldn't delete it completely, but...I managed to move it to "trash" (wherever that is).
07:40:27[Saint]I think that *is* deleting it? well, as far as my priveledges allow.
07:41:10pixelmaah, so that's possible again... I believe it wasn't for quite some time. Yes, it's deleting it from usual access and needs to be cleaned up by admins now and then
07:41:34[Saint]yes, it was in "more page options".
07:41:48[Saint]perhaps it was only visible to me because I created the page though?
07:41:58[Saint]the magic of the wiki is unknown to me.
07:43:28pixelmadon't know either
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08:08:28CIA-2New commit by 03Buschel (r29610): Optimize memory consumption in the mp3data parser. The vbr-header parser will never need 1.800 byte of data. The maximum amount of data needed is 1/10 ...
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08:57:04wodzQuestion to recording experts: what is the relation between Gain and AGC max gain in recording screen?
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11:19:35PurlingNayukiHi everyone.
11:20:08PurlingNayukiWhat should I do to upload a theme larger than 2M?
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12:12:13mc2739any forum admins around? please ban IamNumber4
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12:22:42soapthanks, mc2739
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12:27:22wodz|workCleanup radio code proposal for gsoc should be reviewed. The tracker task which is pointed out as starting point FS #9573 has been closed almost year ago as outdated.
12:29:13eclectroI have a sansa c250 (I think version 1) - is microsdhc supported directly or do I have to remove the card and put files on it and then plug it into the player i.e. can I reach the card through USB?
12:30:34Torneare you asking because you tried it and it didn't work?
12:30:49Tornewe should expose all drives over usb, generally
12:30:54gevaertswodz|work: feel free to review :)
12:31:13wodz|workgevaerts: are you kidding :-)
12:32:25wodz|workTorne: are wall sockets going to be british or european on DevCon ?
12:33:01Torne..british opf course ;)
12:33:03gevaertswodz|work: I said "If nobody objects, I'll copy them to the 2011 page early next week" on the ML the 6th. Nobody objected, so I copied. If that turns out to have been a mistake in this case, I claim ignorance :)
12:33:07Torne(best plugs in the world!)
12:33:28Tornei've asked the tech people if they can provide a decent number of extension cords and some international adapters
12:33:36Tornebut not sure what we'll actually end up with
12:33:39Torneso, bring stuff :)
12:33:46gevaertswodz|work: and I don't feel qualified to decide on this, so yes, please review :)
12:33:49eclectroTorne: I was trying to decide what microsd card to buy
12:34:05Torneeclectro: then i don't understand your question..
12:34:07eclectroalready have rockbox on player
12:34:12Torneeither rockbox supports the card or it doesn't
12:34:29wodz|workgevaerts: I don't feel expert in this area either
12:34:30Tornenot sur what you mean by "supported directly"
12:35:23eclectroOld forum posts indicate that you can not write to the card when it is plugged into the player. I do not know if that was fixed
12:35:36eclectromicrosdhc that is
12:36:05Tornei can't think of any reason why that would ever have been true
12:36:13gevaertseclectro: sdhc has always worked in rockbox. Back in the old days (years ago by now) rockbox didn't do USB yet on those players
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12:36:34eclectroahhh ok
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12:36:47gevaertsAnd the Sandisk firmware doesn't do sdhc, so that was a problem. It's solved since a log time though
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12:37:30eclectroOk thanks look forward to more room.
12:37:39eclectroI'll try it
12:46:04wodz|workWho may I ask about recording.c details?
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13:06:53n1swodz|work: anyone ;)
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13:07:08n1sjust don't expect useful answers
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13:07:23n1spetur has done a lot of rec stuff IIRC
13:07:49peturyou pinged, m'lord?
13:08:30peturwodz|work: ask....
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13:12:35wodz|workpetur: what is the relation between AGC and GAIN settings in recording screen
13:13:04peturAGC modifies them for you...
13:14:18wodz|workpetur: but modyfing GAIN seens to influence AGC as well (at least this is how it looks on the screen)
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13:15:50peturAGC shows, apart from the type of AGC, how much headroom there is. So if you change the GAIN (like increase) the headroom lowers. Don't know why that headroom is shown there, it was something the initial contributer added
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13:17:21wodz|workpetru: what do you mean by headroom?
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13:20:38peturmax gain - current gain
13:21:07peturyou should see the value change when you change gain
13:22:48wodz|workI don't get this honestly. AGC modyfies recgain and tries to reach some target gain say -6dB depending on the setting choosen. What GAIN setting has to do with that?
13:23:41peturGAIN is your gain setting. AGC will kick in and modify that if needed (depends on AGC mode and current levels)
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13:25:40wodz|workso for example if I have AGC in safe option it will lower the GAIN if the signal ends up above some threshold ?
13:26:33peturyes
13:26:49peturbut not increase if the levels go lower
13:27:04peturI think the AGC modes are in the manual
13:27:30wodz|workyes they are
13:27:36peturhttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-iriverh300/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-16100010.12
13:28:19wodz|workthe problem I have is that WM8750 has something very similar in concept in hardware and I would like to unify this
13:28:32peturhmmm maybe the headroom means something else and happens to do what I think it does in safety mode
13:29:11peturdoes it have the safety mode, because that is very popular with tapers
13:30:00wodz|workyou mean it doesn't rise gain once lowered?
13:30:11peturyes
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13:30:49peturyou only want to prevent clipping (during unattended recordings), and do postprocessing later on PC
13:34:30wodz|workhmm seems no
13:35:15wodz|workit supports configurable decay time described as gain ramp-up time
13:36:17wodz|workit works slightly different than AGC in rockbox in the sense that gains are relative to ADC fullscale and not to the final signal
13:36:43petur?
13:38:28wodz|workin WM8750 codec the signal path is: INPUT->PGA(programmable gain amp)->ADC->digital amp->I2S
13:38:58wodz|workALC function of the codec (which in concept is similar to AGC in rockbox) work by adjusting PGA gain
13:39:28wodz|workone can still change digital gain and thus final signal level
13:40:11wodz|workit is so to filter out noise to some degree
13:47:23preglowkugel_: should android rockbox care if i plug headphones in or out? it seems to hang playback here when i insert them, from time to time
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15:32:57preglowbtw, wasn't there some talk of the android volume widget now bringing up a volume slider or something?
15:46:23*scromple Hates delving into religion
15:46:36Zagorpreglow: inside rockbox, volume changes are handled by rockbox in high-resolution steps. outside rockbox, volume changes are handled normally by android
15:46:43preglowtry to avoid it then :>
15:47:05ZagorI will add an option to disable (or rather, enable) the high-resolution volume feature
15:47:15preglowZagor: yeah, got that commit, just thought someone mentioned that the volume widget in the wps should react to touch in a more intuitive way when we discussed it last
15:47:37preglowi inadvertently change the volume about every fifth track change i attempt
15:47:47Zagoroh. my firm opinion is that we should not have a volume widget in the android wps
15:47:54preglowand it's impossible to get it back to 0db without using settings
15:48:00preglowreally, really annoying :)
15:48:12Zagordo you have an android device without volume buttons?
15:48:37preglowah, ofc, that change i did not catch, heh
15:48:51preglowstill annoying that it's placed where it is, right next to prev/fwd
15:48:58Zagoryes
15:49:01preglowbut i guess wps work really hasn't started in earnest yet
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17:20:15GNu_JoeQuestion: what hardware shows off RockBox the best that one can still purchase?
17:20:52GNu_JoeWant to hold a "RockBox Install Fest" and want ideas as to what hardware best shows it off?
17:22:40krazykitwell, you can still purchase most of the devices, just not necessarily at your local big box store
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17:24:03GNu_Joekrazykit, yes, but which one would you pick to "show and tell"
17:25:37krazykiteveryone knows ipods, so those are a decent choice, if if their processors are anemic and video sucks
17:25:47krazykitotherwise, probably a sansa of some kind
17:29:52GNu_JoeWhich is the best sansa ( that was the one I was thinking of ) to use?
17:31:01dfktclip+ and fuze are the most popular at the moment, i'd say
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19:23:13saratoga_does sd_enable operate on both drives on AMS?
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19:27:02saratoga_wow this random AMS change actually boots
19:27:46saratoga_any AMS people want to tell me if this makes any sense at all: http://pastebin.com/dhxPcWa1
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19:28:14saratoga_just tried it randomly when I noticed we don't disable the clock enable register when we're done with transfer
19:30:40bertrikI thought the clock was automatically stopped already
19:31:21bertrikthrough a feature in the hardware
19:31:58saratoga_i have no idea if it is
19:32:06saratoga_just noticed we didn't do it in software
19:32:44saratoga_someone on ABI reported that benching with and without sd inserted made a big difference in battery life, so i wanted to double check
19:33:26saratoga_although i notice the different sd controller variants handle the clock enable differently, so this could be related to that
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20:01:18Bagder"Congratulations, your application for Rockbox as a mentoring organization for Google Summer of Code 2011"
20:01:29Bagderoh
20:01:34m1k3ycongrats ^
20:01:35Bagder... has been accepted
20:02:06gevaertsYay!
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20:07:32pixelmapreglow: it is possible with current WPS syntax to have a slider or a bar thing to adjust the volume on touchscreen, the solution in cabbie just isn't nicely done (yet)
20:07:44pixelma(also for Zagor in the logs)
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20:35:27bertriksaratoga_, I do indeed notice a shorter runtime with the sd card inserted, not measured objectively though
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20:50:05preglowpixelma: i understand, thanks
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21:47:37wodzSo now we should attract students...
21:49:49AlexPSome of us are getting a bit old for that :/
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21:54:56AlexPBagder: Email to -dev maybe?
21:55:09Bagderright
21:55:12BagderI'll do it
21:55:17AlexPCool
21:56:10Topic"Rockbox accepted for GSoC 2011 - Ideas at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SummerOfCode2011 | Rockbox 3.8 is released | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc | An upgrade caused issues with the wiki. We are on the case" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
21:57:59AlexPDo we want 3.9 before or after devcon? Current schedule would be end of June, but maybe people would like to bring it forward to end of May?
21:58:19sideralscorche: Thanks for increasing the max length of RSS-exported forum posts. I'm not happily reading the forum with my news client (Emacs/GNUS) :)
21:58:28siderals/not/now/
21:59:12sideralNow the only thing that's missing is a way to post to the forum from GNUS
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22:01:30wodzAlexP: release befor devcon has pos and cons. Pros: relaxed hacking possible, Cons: no pressure for bug-squashing-party
22:02:00AlexPIf we have a bug squashing party it'd be a first :)
22:02:24wodzAlexP: put in agenda and we will have one :-)
22:02:29AlexPIn the past we have released just before a devcon to leave trunk free, but in the past the release period has been scheduled during devcon
22:02:40AlexPwodz: Er, you haven't been to one before have you :)
22:02:56wodznop, this will be my first devcon
22:03:11AlexPThis time however the release period is scheduled a couple of weeks after, so it may not be necessary to move
22:03:29AlexPOn the other hand, we might not want to dump lots of stuff in two weeks before a freeze
22:03:55AlexPwodz: Then let me tell you that scheduling something doesn't necessarily mean it will happen :)
22:04:16wodzreal life (tm) property
22:06:52wodzMy cousin studies informatics and he would like to spread the information about rockbox in gosc among students. Do we have some template for such public informational mail?
22:07:26gevaertswodz: gsoc has flyers. Those don't say anything about rockbox though, but still interesting I guess
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22:07:39gevaertswodz: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocFlyers
22:09:21AlexPJust scribble our url on the bottom :)
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22:10:55wodzmight do
22:12:41wodzAm I right that our proposals for Gsoc2011 aren't final?
22:13:27wodzI mean if a student come with brilliant idea we can pick this up?
22:13:30gevaertsYes
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22:14:20wodzcool
22:14:26Bagderthe proposals are only proposals and ideas, the students bring their suggestions
22:14:30gevaertsThe ideas page is there to provide, well, ideas :)
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