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#rockbox log for 2011-03-24

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02:32:19LloreanJdGordon|: On renaming the database, maybe something like "Library"? (I *really* don't like "Music" since that's likely to make people think it can't be found elsewhere)
02:33:25*[Saint] thinks if the function of Database isn't immediately obvious it's either a translation fail, or they shouldn't be using Rockbox...as plenty more things will daunt them later.
02:36:34soapI'd had though quite a lot about a "better" name for the Database before, back when it was Tag Cache, and I don't think there is a better name which would have any success. It can be argued (at least amongst native English speakers) that database might not be the most intuitive word for somewhere where one would find music, but w/o multi-word names I never did come up with an answer which didn't have at least as many downsides.
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02:46:35Lloreansoap: I thought a lot of programs call the sorted-by-tags-list-of-media "Library" these days
02:46:47LloreanTo me it seems like a less computer-oriented word for basically the same thing
02:47:31soapI'll admit, I don't think I thought too hard about that one.
02:47:40soapso I'm not sure I have a good answer either way.
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02:48:15LloreanI think at the time of the change it may not have been as widespread as it seems (to me) to be now.
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03:25:37saratogaamiconn: mp3 uses a transform which is fed into a filterbank, so the actual delay will be determined by both the transform and the filterbank
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03:28:52ScarabDrownerJust experienced an ATA Error -11 on my Clip+. I have no idea what it means, or why it happened, but booting into OF and then back into Rockbox seems to have gotten around it.
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03:31:57ScarabDrownerWhat does it mean, so I can try to avoid doing whatever I did to cause it? I saw something mentioned about a hard drive, but the Clip+ doesn't have one that spins up.
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04:31:31JdGordon|Llorean: "Music Library" would probably be the best i can tihnk of now
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04:32:15[Saint]JdGordon|: a little nonspecific though.
04:32:30[Saint]as it isn't necessarily going to be music.
04:32:36[Saint](podcasts etc.)
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04:33:23JdGordon|[Saint]: sure, but anyone using podcasts will understand the distinction
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04:34:12[Saint]I'm not *too* sure about that. I see "Music Library" being less about what it actually is, and more about what people expect it to be...which is silly IMO.
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04:34:56JdGordon|sure, but the problem is "Database" is far more non-obvious
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04:35:35[Saint]if you have preconcieved notions....sure.
04:35:41[Saint]that's the real problem here.
04:36:12JdGordon|the word "database" is frankly wrong anyway... db of *what*?
04:37:00JdGordon|we only accept it because 1) noone has come up with something obviously much better, 2) most of us are tech-savvy enough to not get confused, 3) we figure out what it is and the name is meaningless, 4) we dont use it
04:39:10JdGordon|hell, if podcasts are the problem I wouldnt really care if a "Podcasts" option was added to the main menu
04:39:28JdGordon|(preferably optionably hidden)
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04:39:40[Saint]well, recordings show up too...so it could get very messy.
04:40:02[Saint]you want Recording and Recordings on the main menu?
04:40:16[Saint](I realise you don't, just making a point)
04:41:03JdGordon|adding support for shortcut(s) and/or tagcache searches in the main menu would solve this nicely also
04:42:29[Saint]for neatnesses sake...I'd rather keep tagcache searches inside the Database (or whatever it's called in future) menu entry.
04:42:58[Saint]I'd see that as just shitting random things around the menu to fix a problem (apparent problem?) with naming.
04:43:00*JdGordon| is willing to bet nothing actually comes from this talk and the db will stay the db
04:43:07*[Saint] also
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05:31:39JdGordon|14:34 <[Saint]> I'm not *too* sure about that. I see "Music Library" being less about what it actually is, and more about what people expect it to be...which is silly IMO.14:34 <[Saint]> I'm not *too* sure about that. I see "Music Library" being less about what it actually is, and more about what people expect it to be...which is silly IMO.[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[
05:31:45JdGordon|sorry...
05:31:58JdGordon|^ thats absolutly wrong.... it should be what the user expects and *not* what it actually is
05:32:31JdGordon|it *is* a database, the user doesnt care about that though
05:32:33[Saint]that seems *so* backward to me....I don’t even know where to start.
05:32:59JdGordon|the user doesnt care how it works as long as it gets them to their music in an *shudder* "itunes-style"
05:33:29[Saint]call it what people think it is, so they can carry on having their nice safety bubble with preconcieved notions of how things should behave from their previous OS.
05:33:36[Saint]why not just call it what it is?
05:33:53JdGordon|because while technically correct it is totally unhelpful
05:35:01[Saint]Really...it could be called “woopy-woopy-woop-woop”...and as long as the manual describes it...who cares right? but I don’t see the point in calling it something inaccurate just to please the masses.
05:35:19JdGordon|its not our job to reeducate the masses
05:35:37[Saint]they can click on it and *see* what it is if they want to...if they still can’t figure it out, we have extensive docs.
05:36:07[Saint]It’s just that I think “Database” is as good as it gets, without either being inaccurate, or plain wrong.
05:36:28[Saint](or a multiword thing that reads like a book)
05:36:46JdGordon|right, but "library" has the same drawback and is less technical
05:37:22[Saint]I didn’t object to “library”.
05:37:32[Saint]it was “Music” that made that wrong.
05:38:07[Saint]Database may be vague...but it is what it is.
05:38:14JdGordon|yes, but adding that one word makes it less idiot proof
05:38:48[Saint]yeah...I’m not so sure of that.
05:39:08[Saint]I can imagine “Music Library? Ok...well where are my recordings and podcasts then?”
05:39:15mystica555audio library?
05:39:19mystica555(devils advocate)
05:39:27[Saint]much better mystica555
05:39:36[Saint]it’s the “Music” I thought was plain wrong.
05:39:40[Saint]not the Library.
05:39:52mystica555and with that comment i now break for the store i was supposed to go to ages ago ;)
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05:44:25LloreanI'd still just stick with Library
05:44:53LloreanI'd really like to see other media types accessible through it at some point (basically, everything that shows up in "supported" file view)
05:45:18[Saint]Llorean: merge it with the filebrowser?
05:45:34LloreanNo
05:46:02LloreanBut, for example, there's been talk of one day being able to playlist video files. Were that possible, I'd expect them to also be findable in database so you could include music videos.
05:46:24JdGordon|that should be very doable
05:46:32JdGordon|even currently without to much effort
05:46:46[Saint]If we were to go that way...wouldn’t it just make more sense to merge the two?
05:47:00JdGordon|IIRC it relies on the get_metadata() stuff, so we just need to handle the mpeg files more sanely
05:47:03LloreanWhat would merging the two accomplish?
05:47:19LloreanI don't even know what you expect from a merged database filetree.
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05:47:39[Saint]well, it seems that you just want a filebrowser with the current db capability.
05:47:46LloreanNo.
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05:48:39LloreanIt'd never show the files as sorted by the path (unless someone put a ton of effort into the tagnavi)
05:48:58LloreanAnd I wouldn't expect it to index files that weren't supported either by core or by viewers.cfg
05:49:06Lloreaner .config
05:49:13LloreanOr whatever that file's named, it's been ages since I messed with it
05:49:44[Saint]Hmmm...you just reminded me how fucked up the viewers are.
05:49:56[Saint]errr *fudged.
05:50:02[Saint]and viewer icons rather.
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07:14:14Misangosh.... how can I comment on FS? I am logged in but can´t find a button for commenting... am I missing something?
07:16:03marazat the very bottom of the page there is a "Add comment" form
07:18:07Misanhi maraz , maybe I am not logged in then... but i tried to register.. to make sure and it said my name is registered already.. so next questiion: is there an extra registration for FS or is registration with rockbox enough?
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07:18:33Misani mean: i am registered and logged in with rockbox
07:18:35marazdoes it say your name on the top of the page below the rockbox logo?
07:18:39maraz(in FS)
07:18:47marazafaik there is a separate registration
07:18:54[Saint]there’s sepearte forum, and flyspray registrations, yes.
07:19:04Misanok, thank you
07:20:57Misanhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/FlySpray - shows a link to register with flyspray - but it seems to point to rockbox registration .... maybe therefore the confusion
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07:27:29[Saint]Misan: Um...no.
07:27:44[Saint]The link points the Flyspray registration, as it should.
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07:29:04Misan[Saint], i just checked...
07:29:11Misani am a bit confused
07:29:14[Saint]What is it about that registration that makes you think it’s not for FLyspray?
07:29:28Misanbecause I don´t see any comment button
07:30:04[Saint]you won’t see a comment button on the registration page...
07:30:54Misanafter a login - does my name still stand on the upper left and the password in dots to its right?
07:31:25Misanon the tracker i mean
07:31:43Misanoh i see
07:31:43[Saint]No.
07:32:08[Saint]After you log in, you’ll no longer see the “username” and “password” fields.
07:32:09Misanso I was NOT logged in, but did not see it ... now its locked for 5 minutes ;)
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07:38:34Misansorry for the confusion −− i had to newly register with rockbox but the tracker still had my account
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08:52:51[Saint]JdGordon|: it’s either the volume changes, or the changes to .sbs touchscreen areas messing up my themes.
08:53:28[Saint]As I just tested the theme I usually use (my personal cabbie) on a very recent .apk and it shows the exact same effects.
08:53:52[Saint](all the touch areas seem to mute playback, can’t skip or ffwd)
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08:54:39[Saint]well...actually that’s poor reasoning, as it’s not *necessarily* either of those two things that broke it...but those are the two I find likely.
08:55:13[Saint]It’d be more correct to say “something in the last 2 weeks messed up touchscreen control really, really badly”.
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08:56:48JdGordon|[Saint]: ok, give me 90min or so to eat and relax and i'll investigate
08:57:10[Saint]yep, sweet...no rush. Just lettin’ you know.
08:57:22JdGordon|nag me if im at the comp and not looking at it though
08:57:23[Saint]I never expect you to pounce on such things immediately ;)
08:58:36[Saint]asides from this recent foolery, and skin vars being added and you teaching me the magic I need to get the popups working nicely...it’s pretty much finished.
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09:00:10[Saint]http://www.datafilehost.com/download-3d397905.html is the 240x320 progress to date (updated with nice AA fonts)
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09:20:37*gevaerts thinks that "Library" implies that it's the only place where one will find audio
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09:24:21tguinothola amigos
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09:47:43LloreanZagor: They mention on their site that one can expect 8 hours of continuous recording from the Clip.
09:49:21Zagorah, I missed that. thanks.
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10:11:03[Saint]http://www.datafilehost.com/download-cc192c87.html 240x320 cabbie progress
10:11:17[Saint]http://www.datafilehost.com/download-de4fa291.html 480x800 cabbie progress
10:12:06Zagorcan you make some screenshots?
10:12:12[Saint]once skin vars (and this weird shit with messed up touch areas) is sorted out, I’ll open a flyspray task so all these can be versioned properly.
10:12:12funmansaratoga: ping
10:12:44[Saint]Zagor: Does screendump on RaaA work?
10:12:48[Saint]kugel: ^
10:13:10kugelno
10:13:14kugelyou can use ddms
10:13:15[Saint]Ah....bugger.
10:14:05Zagordoesn't a uisim screenshot work
10:14:06Zagor?
10:14:20kugelwell, it probably works the sdl app but not on android
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10:15:01Zagorsure but screenshots don't care what made them :-)
10:15:21kugel(our own screendump is clearly inferior)
10:15:57kugelI suggest alt+print :)
10:16:21[Saint]The best screenshot I can offer has about 50% of the elements missing as they syntax is too new for the editor, and the font is a garbled mess as AA fonts aren;t supported either ;)
10:17:06Zagor[Saint]: have you tried running the uisim?
10:17:54[Saint]No. I never use it as there’s no debug output anymore so it;s essentially useless to me.
10:18:19Zagor...except for screenshots :-)
10:18:52kugelyou can do screenshots of RaaA just fine whether or not our own screendump mechanism works, no?
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10:20:16[Saint]Probably...I just wondered if the RB screendump worked on RaaA or not.
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10:26:42[Saint]JdGordon: I dropped 240x320 and 480x800 cabbies in the logs ~10 mins ago or so.
10:27:06JdGordonok, having internet issues so i'll look when things are stable :/
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10:58:31[Saint]oops...I forgot to add the correct touch areas for the .sbs on the 480x800 theme.
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11:01:10wodz|workDigging through flash/ftl driver from archos linux kernel source I can only say that the code is terrible (and buggy). Lots of hardcoded assumptions, unused variables and functions, global vars floating around etc.
11:02:00wodz|workdoes any one know basic document describing FTL principles?
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11:24:44pamaurywodz|work: I don't know much about FTL but the idea is not make a flash appear as a block device
11:26:56pamaurybecause flash devices have a number of operations which are unusual for block device, like erasing. Furthermore, you usually erase several blocks at once but you write one at once iic. And you also want to avoid wear levelling so what looks linear from the block device pov it is not linear at all on the flash device. This is why you probably have to have tables and data structures in the flash
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11:27:36gevaertspamaury: I don't entirely agree
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11:28:09pamauryI'm not an expert so I might say wrong things :)
11:28:18pamaurywhich point do you disagree with ?
11:28:23gevaertsI'd say an FTL *is* about making it appear as a block device. If you don't care about a block device and just want an efficient filesystem, I'm not sure if there is anything there called an FTL
11:28:30gevaertsNote that I'm also not an expert :)
11:28:43[Saint]“fixed” 480x800 cabbie (fixed == playback control should be possible in the .sbs now): http://www.datafilehost.com/download-c306ff9e.html
11:29:49pamauryyes I agree, that's what I said isn't it ? I don't say you *have* to make a flash device appear as a block device, but as soon as you have a FTL that's precisely what you want to achieve no ?
11:30:31gevaerts"the idea is not make a flash appear as a block device"?
11:30:39*gevaerts suspects a typo there then :)
11:31:03pamauryoh you're right, s/not/to :)
11:32:26wodz|workHmm that's how I understand the idea too. But this doesn't bring me closer to understand the whole thing :-)
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11:36:22wps_no_workieHi H140; Do I have to use the viewports thingy in my wps ?, I only wish to have ia, it, id displayed with a playback bar
11:36:59wps_no_workiewith %we
11:40:22[Saint]wps_no_workie: No, you don’t need to use viewports if you just want a simple .wps like that.
11:41:21wps_no_workiethats a relief
11:42:01wps_no_workieso this should work %s%ac%?ia<%ia|%?d(2)<%d(2)|%(root%)>>
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11:43:00[Saint]yes.
11:43:52CIA-2New commit by 03funman (r29637): SD AMSv2: fix r29625 ...
11:43:55funmansaratoga: ^
11:45:37wps_no_workiethanks. it works
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11:48:06CIA-2r29637 build result: 891 errors, 6 warnings (funman committed)
11:50:55wodz|worknice count :-)
11:51:09funmanerrors are not my fault i think
11:51:24funmanand what rockboxdev.sh just built for me gives me loads of warnings
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11:54:33CIA-2New commit by 03funman (r29638): fix warning, use unsigned variable
11:55:19TheSevenshould we blacklist atlas-godeater?
11:55:51funmanlet's ban godeater also, just in case
11:56:21TheSeveni mean, at least one of the toolchains installed on it seems to be screwed up badly
11:57:07TheSevenGodEater: ping
11:57:35CIA-2New commit by 03gevaerts (r29639): Block atlas-godeater, there's a problem with the m68k toolchain
11:57:53CIA-2r29638 build result: All green
11:59:21TheSevendamn, too slow
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12:01:02TheSevengevaerts: this kind of change is effective immediately, without someone pushing a button on the server, right?
12:01:07gevaertsyes
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12:11:04sideralHi funman, Please consider backporting r29637/8 to the 3.8 branch
12:11:52funmansideral: i'll let you do it
12:12:57sideralfunman: :) OK, I'll do it (later)
12:13:38funmanmy previous commit was backported already?
12:13:47funman29625
12:14:01sideralDon't think so
12:14:28sideralI know they apply on top of each other. I'll do the right thing.
12:17:19TheSevencan anybody give me an exhaustive list of files created by the database?
12:17:35TheSeventhere's of course database_[0-9].tcd and database_idx.tcd
12:17:44TheSevenbut IIRC there are also some temporary files during commits
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13:41:11FirefisheI am having trouble with my Sansa e260. I'm using ubuntu 10.04. Everytime I try to transfer files to the player I get a read-only error.
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14:03:49sideralFirefishe: this typically means the system has remounted the device read-only because it has detected filesystem corruption. Check /var/log/messages.
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14:08:07Firefishesideral: Is there anything in particular i'm looking for?
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14:13:44siderallook for "remounted as read only" or somesuch
14:13:57sideralyou can also unmount, then run fsck.vfat on the volume
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16:01:43TheSevenas it works fine for me, you will probably have to specify your setup with more detail
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17:58:28mshathlonxpcan anyone tell me if rockbox changes CPU speed depending on codec in use?
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17:59:49gevaertsmshathlonxp: yes and no
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18:00:35gevaertsOn most targets CPU speed is increased ("boosted") when the PCM buffer gets low
18:00:42gevaertsThis isn't dependent on the codec
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18:01:01gevaertsAlthough of course CPU intensive codecs will trigger this more
18:01:18Tornewe boost while buffering, also
18:01:27Torneto ensure that disk access is as fast as possible
18:01:39Torne(since it's PIO on lots of targets)
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18:03:56mshathlonxpI presume "default" CPU clock on ipod 1G nano/5G video is 30 mhz?
18:04:59Torneyup, 30/80
18:05:09Torneor 24 while listening to the radio. ;)
18:05:20mshathlonxp80?
18:05:41Tornethe boosted speed is 80
18:06:32mshathlonxphm
18:06:51mshathlonxpisn't stock clock 70 or 75 mhz IIRC?
18:07:05mshathlonxpor it's by default underclocked?
18:07:12Tornepretty sure it's 80
18:07:18mshathlonxpah
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18:26:24boghoghi guys
18:26:46boghogi just bought a sansa clip+ thingy
18:27:35boghogi only just found out about rockbox and that this little device can run it :D
18:28:14boghogand the fact that I can run doom on it just blows my mind
18:30:54Tornereally?
18:30:59Torneevery other computer can run doom as well :)
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18:31:12Torneand it's pretty horrible on the clip ;)
18:31:40boghogi just like the idea that it is possible :p
18:31:51Tornewell, it's a computer
18:31:56Torneso yeha :)
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18:39:20u42p"Install Rockbox" is the correct choice in RockboxUtility if I want to update, correct? i do have rockbox on my player already. but it crashes a lot thus i want the latest
18:39:34Torneyes, installing and updating work identically
18:39:43u42pthanks
18:39:57Tornenone of the config files/etc are included in the download so it won't ever erase/replace them when you install if they already exist.
18:40:31Torneyou don't need to install the bootloader after the first time, is all.
18:41:09u42pyeah, bricked a clip+ because of that (wait, and unplugging during the process) :)
18:42:22boghogis it possible to revert back to original sandisk firmware after installing rockbox on my clip+?
18:42:32u42poh sweet, it already boots much quicker
18:42:34boghogjust in case I need to return it for warranty or something
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18:42:56Torneyes, follow the instructions in the manual to uninstall it.
18:43:08boghogah ok cool
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19:34:42bertrikCouldn't we do r29637 a bit simpler?
19:35:45bertriksomething like: if((card_info[drive].initialised > 0) && ((start+count) > card_info[drive].numblocks))
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19:38:28deeiceSo flyspray says I need to discuss my patch "FS #12027 - Add the Zipit Z2 as an build target." here to increase my chances for acceptance. Anybody want to talk about it?
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19:40:08deeiceI can start it off by apologising for the poor grammer in the title. oops.
19:41:36bertrikNice work. Not sure who decides about stuff like this though.
19:42:30CIA-2New commit by 03Buschel (r29642): Fix FS #12024. Scroll acceleration did not work −− at least reported for iRiver H10 −− caused by too short duration for button repeat recognition.
19:44:52bertrikdeeice, regarding the new file: use spaces instead of tabs, put your own name in the header. Also try to use static to limit the scope of variables and use const where appropriate.
19:45:55CIA-2r29642 build result: All green
19:46:56deeicebertrick: What header do you mean?
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19:47:39deeiceI can fix the tabs. Apparently qemacs was fooling with me.
19:48:00bertrikthe top part of the source file with the copyright and GPL text I mean
19:48:47deeiceAll the files I touched? Or just the new one.
19:49:32bertrikjust the new one I think
19:50:16deeiceOk, but it's not really new. I stole it from the simulator code and added a little bit.
19:51:22bertrikOh, then I don't know
19:53:32bertrikgevaerts, Bagder, amiconn, kugelp : what do you think about FS #12027 ?
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19:56:02Bagderlooks cool to me!
19:57:33gevaertsI can't say much about the changes to firmware/drivers/lcd-16bit.c
19:59:05gevaertsApart from that, I think we need some new CONFIG_somethings, for e.g. (PLATFORM_SDL|PLATFORM_MAEMO|PLATFORM_PANDORA|PLATFORM_ZIPIT_Z2). That's getting out of hand...
19:59:17gevaertsThat probably doesn't need to be fixed by this patch though
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20:00:02pixelma"[05:46:03] <Llorean> But, for example, there's been talk of one day being able to playlist video files." <- IIRC there is some sort of playlisting in mpegplayer already (it will at least play consecutive files in a directory if I'm not confusing things) but I only vaguely remember having tried shortly after it was implemented which is a while ago already
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20:01:48gevaertshm
20:02:18gevaertsdeeice: why the #ifndef HAVE_TOUCHSCREEN inside #elif CONFIG_KEYPAD == ZIPIT_Z2_PAD?
20:02:48gevaertsSorry, in apps/SOURCES
20:03:00CIA-2New commit by 03Buschel (r29643): Backport r29642 to v3.8 branch. Fixes FS #12024.
20:03:27deeiceI could probably take it out. It's possible someone could hook up a usb mouse, though.
20:03:51gevaertsAh, right
20:03:53deeiceI have a solution to the long CONFIG lines.
20:05:15gevaertsdeeice: I would add the ZIPIT at the end in the long #if in firmware/export/config.h, to keep it near ANDROID. I think that makes it a bit more readable
20:05:23deeiceOops again. The solution is in another new file that I forgot to include. firmware/export/config/zipit-z2.h
20:06:28gevaertsI'd say we need one or two defines that describe the file io system we want to use.
20:09:06*gevaerts waits for kugel to comment on this
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20:14:48linuxstbdeeice: One initial comment on your patch - if you're using svn, then you can just do "svn add filename.[ch]" to add new files. Then "svn diff" will create your patch, including those new files.
20:14:55deeiceOk, i ammended my flyspray task with the missing zipit-z2.h config file, and some comments on how to reduce (PLATFORM_SDL|PLATFORM_MAEMO|PLATFORM_PANDORA|PLATFORM_ZIPIT_Z2) to (PLATFORM_SDL)
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20:15:43deeiceDoes svn add work if I checked it out anonymously? I wasn't sure about that.
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20:16:30linuxstbdeeice: Yes.
20:17:03gevaertsdeeice: I don't really agree with that solution. I don't mind adding PLATFORM_SDL to the individual platforms as such (although I'm not sure), but the actual #ifs don't guard something that's related to SDL, it's related to how filesystem access is done
20:17:30linuxstbdeeice: Also, are those changes to lcd-16bit.c required? (I admit I don't understand them...)
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20:20:42linuxstbdeeice: Also, the convention is for the config file to be named the same as the modelname in configure - so zipitz2.h in your case.
20:20:52deeicelcd-16bit.c wouldn't compile for me because the asm volatile section thought it was redefining the labels. I looked up asm volatile and labels and found the solution here. http://www.nongnu.org/avr-libc/user-manual/inline_asm.html
20:21:08linuxstbdeeice: What are you using to compile Rockbox then?
20:22:39deeicegcc 4.1.1 in a scratchbox vm for one zipit userland, and a recent buildroot setup for a different zipit userland. Both complained about the lcd-16bit.c file.
20:25:36deeicelinuxstb: I suspect you're right about the needing a different #if for the filesystem access, but I think my PLATFORM_SDL solution is a good one for SDL issues.
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20:32:19gevaertsdeeice: maybe. I'm not entirely sure because PLATFORM_SDL means more than "uses SDL"
20:33:48gevaertsAlexP, soap: I think r43dsxb8 wants banning
20:34:24deeiceMaybe, but I did a search for PLATFORM_SDL and couldn't find any place where it really meant more than "uses SDL". That's when I hatched my evil plan.
20:35:04gevaertsI can believe that it overlaps today
20:35:22gevaertsBut this is the sort of thing that can cause hard-to-fix messes later on
20:36:16linuxstbdeeice: Have you tested that lcd-16bit.c change works fine on other versions of gcc - i.e. the cross-compilers used by Rockbox for other devices?
20:36:28deeiceI suppose we (err you guys) could make a new one PLATFORM_SDLAPP for those cases where it means more than just "uses SDL".
20:36:44scorche|shgevaerts: done
20:36:50linuxstbdeeice: That's already covered by the SDLAPP #define
20:37:06gevaertshm
20:37:14gevaertsThis needs thinking
20:37:22deeiceThere you go. no need for PLATFORM_SDL to mean the same thing as SDLAPP
20:37:46linuxstbI'm not really convinced by the PLATFORM_* stuff anyway. Or at least, the way it's developed is that we have a new platform for each new app target, which isn't right IMO.
20:38:06gevaertsyes
20:38:15deeiceBy the way the generic SDL app is woefully incomplete. There were no keymaps for plugins last time I looked.
20:40:02linuxstbdeeice: Patches welcome ;)
20:41:14deeiceWell I have a really big patch for SDL_PAD keymappings, but I think it's only about 80% generic. I suppose I could submit it for posterity.
20:42:08deeiceBut I don't think I have the time to test all the keymappings.
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20:44:32deeicelinuxstb: I haven't tested the lcd-16bit.c change on the cross compilers. I'm not sure how to do a thorough job of that. Is there a compiler farm somewhere for that sort of thing?
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20:47:39deeiceAre there any known kernel or pthread version requirements for the sigalstack code? It was included by default but it hangs on the splash screen so I switched the zipit to sdl-threads for now.
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20:57:33mshathlonxp<mshathlonxp> can anyone again ~ explain how to manually [with microphone and recording software] create voice file?
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21:02:27*mshathlonxp don't believes gevaerts has nothing to say
21:02:29wodzftl in archos linux sources (rk28xx) and ftl in rk27xx devices differ significantly :-(
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21:04:28wodzAlthough I think the change is in structure organization rather than in actual operation
21:11:50linuxstbdeeice: We have a distributed build system that automatically builds for all targets after every svn commit, but it's not available for general use.
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21:14:48deeicelinuxstb: So it'd be easy for one of you guys to test if the lcd-16bit .c file builds? It won't affect anything that isn't ARM.
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21:22:57sideralbertrik: Do you intend to backport the AMSv2 SD card init delay to the 3.8 branch, or is there some work left to be done to address this issue?
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21:26:49bertriksideral, on second thought, I'd rather wait a bit, I'm thinking of removing the piece of code that has the delay entirely.
21:27:05sideralOK
21:27:09bertrikIt's only half an implementation of sd card high speed mode.
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21:27:34bertrikThe card is switched into high speed mode, but the sd controller will need more work to also use high speed
21:27:43sideralI thought it would make a good quick fix for a maintenance release
21:27:56bertrikso, just switching the card into high speed mode does basically nothing yet
21:28:19bertrikmaybe even increase current consumption unnecessarily
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21:28:34sideralDo you think high-speed mode has any advantages on the AMSv2 platforms?
21:29:07sideralOK, DB generation may be somewhat quicker −− and once we enable USB, that may be faster as well
21:29:34sideralBut Rockbox itself doesn't require a lot of bandwidth I reckon
21:31:31bertrikas far as I understand, AMSv1 uses 1-bit mode in high speed (double), AMSv2 uses 4-bit with normal speed
21:31:57bertrikso AMSv2 is already faster (4 bit, 25 MHz clock ->12.5 MB/s max)
21:32:38bertrikoh, 24 MHz on AMSv2, so 12 MB/s max
21:34:34linuxstbdeeice: Yes, or you would just need to install the Rockbox ARM cross-compiler. If you intend to work on Rockbox more, that would be useful, so you can test you don't break any other targets with your changes.
21:37:24deeiceSo it doesn't matter what platform I install the Rockbox ARM compiler on? I think I had one installed somewhere for the nano 2g, but I suspect it's out of date now.
21:38:11bertrikdeeice, linux is a good platform for the compilers we use for rockbox
21:38:33bertrikI think rockbox can be built on cygwin too, but extremely slowly
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21:40:42deeiceok. I'll grab the linux ARM cross-compiler. I should probably try to use it instead of the buildroot compiler anyhow.
21:41:07LearBuilding Rockbox with Cygwin works just fine, even if it is slow.
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22:04:34mshathlonxpgevaerts hallo!
22:05:49gevaertsyes?
22:06:36mshathlonxpIIRC you are the one who said that he had recorded voice file by himself, or am I mistaking you for someone else?
22:06:39gevaertsno
22:07:12mshathlonxpno what - you dunno nothing about voice files or what?
22:07:46gevaertsNo, I haven't recorded a voice file since the last time you asked me
22:08:05mshathlonxpbut in past?
22:08:15gevaertsThe last time my answer was also no
22:08:30mshathlonxpdamn
22:08:53gevaertsAnd my answer isn't going to change the next time you ask
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22:28:01bluebroth3ryay, Rockbox Utility converted to QuaZip :)
22:28:31[Saint]\0/
22:28:54[Saint]It really makes me wonder how many of the ~10K people that downloaded my theme actually got it in the end... :/
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22:51:29bertrikI think I'll put my ideas about ipod accessory support for nano2g on the summer of code wiki
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