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#rockbox log for 2011-04-04

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00:09:20bertrikAnyone here with a sansa clipv2 suffering from background noise?
00:10:40saratogabertrik: i have that issue, but my clipv2 isn't on me, is there something i could test later?
00:11:55bertriksaratoga, there is a report on the anythingbutipod forums that it got a lot better lately. I'm curious if that's really the case and if so, what happened.
00:12:11saratogai'll check it out when i get a chance
00:13:45AlexPBagder: A good point (your e-mail) - my only slight "concern" is that software doesn't suggest the complete replacement part on the mp3 players
00:14:29BagderI agree, but I'm not sure it needs to be expressed there
00:14:45AlexPI'm also not sure how to be better while staying short and pithy
00:16:16AlexPWe don't want "Rockbox is open source software (firmware on non-smartphone devices) for portable music players."
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00:17:00gevaertsWe could of course just throw RaaA out again :)
00:17:23AlexPOr all the dedicated players
00:17:34AlexPJust make Andbox :)
00:22:46pixelmaor Rockdroid :\
00:23:21AlexPindeed
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00:33:13CIA-48New commit by 03bertrik (r29676): Backport several AMSv2 sd fixes/cleanups for the 3.8.1 branch: ...
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01:07:20*[Saint] wonders if there's a way to get uninstalling RaaA to take any widgets from that installation with it.
01:08:21[Saint]widgets get abandoned and can't load if the signing key changes.
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01:52:39*[Saint] also wonders why the widget cannot seek...
01:52:39[Saint]Is this a limitation or an oversight?
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01:53:11[Saint]There's plenty of room in the small/large square to display min/current/max time while seeking with the next/prev keys.
01:53:28[Saint]s/keys/buttons/
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02:21:20[Saint]JdGordon|: Is there a tag for "kick this screen/viewport in the nuts and force a redraw...or did I imagine it or dream it?
02:21:31JdGordon|not yet
02:22:07[Saint]I knew I/we has talked about it, but I couldn't remember much more than that. I can stop looking now.
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02:22:51JdGordon|is this for resizing the ui viewport?
02:23:20[Saint]I have an .sbs with a hide/show tab for the control panel working now...but the current system really doesn't allow for such rapis UI viewport changes.
02:23:25[Saint]yeah.
02:23:42[Saint]*rapid, argh...new kb
02:25:45JdGordon|try http://pastebin.com/4PH3prBi
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02:27:34[Saint]gah...I hate it when you show me how much of an idiot I am ;)
02:27:58[Saint]that seems too bloody simple, I was looking at it *all* wrong last night.
02:28:10JdGordon|I have no idea if that will work or not...
02:28:29JdGordon|you should actually wrap those 2 lines in a check to make sure it actually changed
02:28:35[Saint]It seems sound in theory.
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03:24:37JdGordon|[Saint]: so, did it work?
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03:55:59CIA-87New commit by 03mc2739 (r29677): Manual correction for entering quick screen from file browser
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03:59:41CIA-87r29677 build result: All green
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04:22:34saratogai have a stupid question about passing arguments to an arm function on the stack
04:22:39saratogaanyone up who remembers how this works
04:24:19JdGordon|doesnt arm use r0-r4?
04:24:31saratogayeah it does
04:24:40saratogawell r0-r3
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04:25:30saratogabasically, if I do function(ar1, ar2, ar3, ar4, ar5), then begin my function by doing "stmdb sp! {r4-r11, lr), whats the address that ar5 is stored at?
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04:26:02saratogais it sp -40 bytes?
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04:27:13saratogaor i guess sp - 36 bytes since the LR has the return address?
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04:38:41saratogaare there some arm assembly functions in rockbox that do soemthing like this?
04:42:32saratogaah thank you eq_arm.S
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04:44:40saratogahow am i so terrible at this stuff
04:45:04funmansaratoga: the arm quick sheet has some details
04:45:14saratogayeah i read through the abi doc
04:45:22saratogai think i got it
04:45:32saratogawas just hoping someone could sanity check what i'm doing
04:45:34funmandefault is stmia = increment after?
04:46:09saratogafor the stack push?
04:46:37saratogawhat happens when I do something like "ldr r5, =local_variable_in_s_file"
04:46:44saratogathat just becomes a PC relative load right?
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04:51:14saratogaldrr5, [pc, #300]; 0x424
04:51:17saratogathanks objdump
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06:42:14axlapi'm wondering if there are any custom built rockbox devices meant for >137Gb drives, or if anyone has had experience with a gigabeat f series and large drives
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06:44:39saratogahttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/HardDriveReplacement#Toshiba
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06:50:09axlapyes ive read it
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07:03:47axlapi'm just wondering if a larger drive has been tested in gigabeat f, or if anyone here is still building custom devices that will
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07:14:42[Saint]do you have a gigabeat f?
07:15:00[Saint]they're pretty hard to find...so, don't set your heart on it if you don't.
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07:16:18pixelmamc2739: I think your correction in the manual makes things wrong for the WPS button table (haven't checked though)...
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07:17:43pixelmathe c200 uses two different mappings and IMO the file browser one is unusable but the WPS one isn't possible in lists
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07:19:40pixelmahmm, or maybe there is \ActionWpsQuickscreen in which case everything is ok for the manua
07:21:26pixelmathere is, sorry for the alert
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07:40:47kendellhi. are there any plans to port rockbox to the sansa fuze plus? my fuze has been discontinued and I've been searching google for hours for parts and haven't found any. I don't want to buy a player rockbox doesn't run on
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07:48:00[Saint]kendell: There's been some work, but no one can say if the port will ever happen.
07:48:05[Saint]There are too many variables.
07:48:13[Saint]It's safer to assume that it till not.
07:48:18[Saint]*will
07:49:06[Saint]You certainly will not be able to buy parts for your device specifically, you'll need to buy a broken player.
07:49:25[Saint](which are usually readily available)
07:52:59kendellI ask because I've gone through the entire list of players rockbox supports, the majority of wich are either discontinued or out of my price range, over 200 dollars...
07:53:53kendellwouldn't mind an ipod nano but second gen is long discontinued. now there's a fifth gen, I think and maybe even a sixth by noq
07:54:03kendell*now
07:54:41[Saint]yes, but rockbox only supports the 1st and 2ns Gen Nanos.
07:54:48[Saint]the Nano2G is readily available.
07:54:59[Saint]and inexpensive.
07:55:36kendellis it? I'm a bit confused. the list says, IPod, 1g through 5.5g, nano first and second g, Ipod mini and Ipod photo. never heard of the latter two
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07:56:20[Saint]The Nano2G is 8GB max, with no expansion though.
07:56:28kendellI used to have an archose jukebox, buut it's long dead
07:56:30[Saint]It is however, one of the fastest RB targets.
07:57:05[Saint]The iPod Video is also readily available still.
07:57:10[Saint](second hand of course)
07:57:24kendellI have noticed some strange slowdowns with the sansa fuze. scrolling tends to mess up the speech. for example if I scroll two or three times instead of one, the speech gets cut off and it takes upto ten seconds to catch up.
07:58:09kendellof course I don't pretend to know how difficult rockbox is internally, it's probably extremely complicated.
07:58:34kendellarg, this clip seems to be stuck. don't want to get out my pocket knife
07:58:48[Saint]The iPod Video is probably the best bet if you want a cheap, large capacity player with a stable port.
07:59:19[Saint]Nano2G or another Fuse if you want a flash based target.
07:59:25kendellwhat's the max capacity of the iPod video? and do I have to use iTunes. I loathe iTunes, totally inaccessible
07:59:50[Saint]No, you do not have to use iTunes, and it can be fitted with a 240GB disk I believe.
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08:00:16kendellwow. how expensive is it? searching google nets me a wickipedia article, I think I'll look at it
08:00:19[Saint]you can get an iPod video and a 240Gb disk for under the price of a new iPod Classic.
08:01:00kendellI have always loved how nicely built iPods are. all brushed metal
08:01:49[Saint]The videos have a plasticized front, and a stainless backing like the Nano1Gs
08:02:04[Saint]the "all metal" one is the Classic.
08:02:12kendellarg, not amazon again. I take the iPod video doesn't come in generations? I'm getting results like, Ipod with video playback, fifth generation, etc
08:02:40[Saint]or the Nanos, from 2G upward I believe...but they kept changing the cases on them.
08:03:02kendellI just wish rockbox weren't so model dependant
08:03:10[Saint]kendell: Officially it's the iPod 5th Gen, or 5.5th Gen
08:03:43[Saint](there are actually two models)
08:03:52kendellI'm not complaining, but I've always wondered why rockbox can't work on all samsung players, or on all apple players, etc. must be either hardware or firmware architecture
08:04:09[Saint]hardware.
08:04:18kendellah. so do a google search for Ipod fifth gen. gotcha.
08:05:00kendellmost of the cowon players I can't find anything about, and most of the iriver players are dead..
08:06:20[Saint]It's kinda offtopic, but I put an advert in my local paper advertising the models I was looking for.
08:06:42[Saint]You'd be surprised how many people have old DAPs just sitting around in a cupboard somewhere.
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08:07:02[Saint]Pawn shops are great too.
08:07:09kendellwow. I can't find one for under a hundred bucks. ah well
08:07:23[Saint]yeah, that is a little ambitios.
08:07:40[Saint]Oh, wait...USD?
08:08:03kendellyup
08:08:11[Saint]A Video should be around ~$60 to $100ish USD
08:08:31kendellfound a couple on amazon, several used for around 80. 60gb.
08:08:38kendellis that a good bargain
08:09:03[Saint]It's not bad.
08:09:20[Saint]You pretty much need to assume that the disk is dead, that's the thing.
08:09:49[Saint]If you're planning on expanding the capacity anyway, it's not a big deal.
08:10:20kendellouch, so if I buy a used iPod, the disk doesn't work?
08:10:33[Saint]It might. But I wouldn't rely on it.
08:10:54[Saint]Unless the seller specifically states it's in working order.
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08:13:24[Saint]Sometimes luck or ignorance is a factor too. I have purchased several "broken" iPod Videos that simply needed the ZIF cable to be reseated.
08:13:27kendellyouch, getting 115 and up
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08:16:29[Saint]Oh, wait...I made an error.
08:16:39[Saint]IPod Nano2G max capacity is 16Gb
08:17:07[Saint]I think...or am I confusing myself. Hmm.
08:17:25kendellhmmm. there are two iPod video listings. one has used from 114, the other has used from 80. think I'll look at that one. fiance will kill me if I spend 130 bucks on an Ipod.
08:19:47[Saint]There's also the iPod 4th Gen, the "Color"...that makes a *great* player with the adition of a CF card in place of the HDD.
08:20:16kendellso the fourth generation Ipod plays videos too, ad uses cf flash memory?
08:20:26kendellCF flash memory, sorry
08:20:32[Saint]It plays Video with Rockbox.
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08:20:40[Saint]Not the original Apple firmware.
08:21:02[Saint]and it comes with an HDD, but a CF card and adapter fits in very nicely.
08:21:40kendellah.
08:23:36kendellarg, keep getting good, or acceptable conditions. I'm not spending my money on acceptable
08:24:46kendelloh yeah, very good condition. cool
08:26:54kendellnow I take it I can use the rockbox installer to install rockbox in the Ipod fifth gen?
08:27:12[Saint]Yes.
08:28:01kendellok
08:28:15kendellhow does rockbox perform on the iPod video?
08:28:37[Saint]Very well.
08:29:12kendellarg, checkout link won't work.
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08:48:26kendelljust bought an iPod 30gb fifth generation. just as a curiosity, does the iPod fifth gen use voice-over? that's the tts macs use to talk. obviously with rockbox it can't but with the original firmware?
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08:51:31[Saint]kendell: I believe that's quite a recent addition of Apples.
08:51:41[Saint]...Nano4G upward I believe.
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09:01:19kendellah. ok. does the iPod video have a radeo? I somehow forgot to check that.
09:02:10kendellcrap, i can't find the manual for the iPod video. what is it listed under?
09:02:37kendellnm, found it, I'm an idiot. smiles
09:03:06[Saint]http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-build.html
09:03:10[Saint]ah, too late ;)
09:03:38[Saint]There is FM, but like most iPod hardware it requires additional hardware.
09:04:44kendellcrap, so the fm tuner doesn't work out of the box? crap
09:04:58kendellmy fiance read me the riot act so I probably can't get it this month
09:05:11pineapplekendell: are you selecting a device to buy, to install rockbox on?
09:05:18tguinoti heard that fm tuner were hard to find indeeed
09:05:37kendellpineapple: yup. already bought an iPod video, white, fifth generation used at amazon
09:06:05pineappleaah
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09:06:49pineapplei was able to find a nano 1g locally (was going to go for a mini until i realised that they were greyscale only)
09:07:09kugelthe front page looks...wrong
09:07:15pineapplecaveat: i live in the UK, where it's easier to find pre-owned stuff like this
09:07:22kendellpineapple: fiance was pissed. why'd you buy an Ipod, you know it's made by apple, you know you have to use iTunes, bla bla bla...
09:07:52kendellI was like, nope, with rckbox no iTunes, yay!
09:08:41pineapplei found myself installing itunes briefly, just to put it in manual mode
09:09:40kendellthank god for disk mode with no iTunes.
09:10:22pineappletrue... but i know i'll forget how to do that at some point in the future
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09:11:57pineappleamusingly: the same day i bought my nano 1g, i got to handle the current latest edition nano
09:12:10tguinotDoes rockbox uses DSP for signal processing in android phones?
09:12:22kendellman, that's hharsh. i'd be returning my nano 1g for the latest one knowing me. hahaha
09:12:45pineapplemy comment of "that's not a nano, that's a shuffle!" sums up its size quite nicely
09:13:09pineapplethe owner wears it as a watch, using a watch strap he picked up online
09:13:33B4gdertguinot: what dsp?
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09:13:51pineappleand... i did consider that, but i'd gone shopping for rockbox hardware, so i needed something "retro"
09:14:06B4gderafaik there's no DSP generally available in android phones, so no Rockbox uses the cpu
09:14:07tguinoti heard that most htc phones have a usable DSP
09:14:24tguinotok
09:15:57kendellwonders why most playerd rockbox supports are obsolete?
09:16:02kendellplayers
09:16:16B4gderkendell: because reverse engineering is hard and players die fast
09:16:35kendelltrue.
09:16:54kendellso true. I just bought a fuze a couple years agoe and it's already dead
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09:17:24kendelldiscontinued, I mean. I swore I'd never buy an iPod because of iTunes, but really, 100 bucks for 30 gb and expandable to 140 gb not bad at all
09:19:01pineapplethat makes my 40 quid for a nano 1g look expensive
09:19:58kendellI think it's expandable. where do I buy bigger hard drives?
09:20:09kendellI assume yyou can't get them at best buy, grins
09:21:48[Saint]the mk2431gah is the 240GB disk that fits straight in.
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09:22:28[Saint]prices can vary drastically from distributor to distributor.
09:23:51[Saint]the 60Gb is the MK6008GAH
09:24:01[Saint]80GB is MK8010GAH
09:24:17kendellah. so the player has a hard drive. I hope it doesn't make much noise, I'm used to flash based players
09:24:46kendellit's negledgable anyway
09:28:37kendellmmm, I hope I don't have to have a very tiny screw driver to disassemble the iPod. and it better last me a while, because I don't have the money for another one smiles
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09:32:23[Saint]kendell: It uses the same closure system as most of the iPods (of that style) do.
09:32:37[Saint]A series of small clips holding the stainless backing in place.
09:32:49[Saint]a guitar pick is what I use to get into mine ;)
09:33:03kendellah, I hope they're easier to find then the ones on my fuze. I am blind after all. grins
09:33:55[Saint]Yes, I forgot that last night when I sent you off looking for teardown guides.
09:34:05[Saint]They rely very heavily on being sighted.
09:34:51[Saint]the guides, not the device. Usually it's a series of images with small captions.
09:35:04[Saint]Not too useful if you can't see the pictures...my apologies.
09:35:45kendellI found the guide but couldn't find the clips. didn't want to tear up the mic or the docking connection so gave up
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09:40:49JdGordon|jvoisin: the radio code is a big mess.. I've pulled the GUI code out so its mostly cleaning up interfaces to the hardware and making it nicer to use
09:42:46jvoisinwhat is the required level to do this ?
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09:42:55JdGordon|level of what?
09:43:05jvoisinlevel of C/knowledge
09:43:18JdGordon|basic i think
09:43:33JdGordon|the reason it hasnt been done is because its boring, not because its interesting
09:44:05JdGordon|s/interesting/hard
09:44:33jvoisinfine
09:45:51JdGordon|of course, it depends how far you want to take it.... just refactoring would be good, but im sure there is features that could be added also
09:46:13jvoisinI'd like to be as far as I can
09:48:27JdGordon|all the radio code is in apps/radio/ and the tuner drivers
09:48:47JdGordon|looks at apps/radio/radio.c to get some sort of idea why the current code isnt wanted
09:49:18jvoisinI have quick-looked at it
09:49:31jvoisinand it's a macro's hell
09:49:39JdGordon|yes
09:50:04jvoisinbut the code does not look complex
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11:10:24gevaertsJdGordon|: I've added my current working version to FS #12041. I wanted to test it yesterday, but I somehow forgot...
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11:19:20JdGordon|gevaerts: yeah that looks good... I think after that goes in I'll look into jpg+resizeable backdrops
11:19:44gevaertsJdGordon|: feel free to commit (or change)
11:22:37JdGordon|turns out im not as free as i thought i was tonight :/
11:23:06gevaertsIf it's still there when I get home, I can test and commit
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14:11:44kugelI'm also unsure whether we need a news item for an april fool's joke that almost nobody noticed
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14:14:25B4gder1) I wanted it visible and 2) for the fun of it
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14:25:39TheSevendoes anyone remember which ubuntu packages need to be installed in order to make rockboxdev.sh work?
14:27:41pamaurybuild-essential ?
14:27:49TheSevenIIRC it was not just that
14:27:53B4gderand curl or wget
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14:27:59TheSeventhat's installed by default
14:28:08TheSevenbut I seem to remember something about mpfr
14:28:14pamauryah yeah
14:28:51pamauryyou might need libmpfr-dev
14:29:43[Saint]kugel: any idea about http://pastebin.com/65M1Yta6 ?
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14:30:41kugelTheSeven, pamaury: rockboxdev.sh pulls the dependencies gcc has
14:30:48[Saint]pamaury: rockboxdev.sh should grab mpfr
14:30:58kugelyou need patch too, I don't know whether it's part of build-essential
14:31:15TheSevenoh, and this one:
14:31:16TheSevenROCKBOXDEV: "makeinfo" is required for this script to work.
14:31:16TheSevenROCKBOXDEV: Please install "makeinfo" and re-run the script.
14:34:21[Saint]kugel: any idea about that pastebin?
14:34:26kugelno
14:34:31[Saint]Hmmm.
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17:21:50CIA-87New commit by 03Buschel (r29679): Rework parts of the replaygain code to be able to differentiate between 0.00 dB set intentionally and having no replaygain information at all. Bump ...
17:27:19CIA-87r29679 build result: 12 errors, 0 warnings (Buschel committed)
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17:29:35BuschelTheSeven: looks like there is something not working right on "medion-theseven"
17:29:58*TheSeven takes a look at it
17:30:25TheSevenaha. sims.
17:30:34TheSevenapparently the client doesn't check for sdl properly
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17:31:38TheSevennow who knows which package this needs?
17:32:08TheSevenlibsdl1.2-dev?
17:32:25kugelyes
17:32:34BuschelI would expect kugel is the one to ask
17:32:39Buschelah, there he is ;)
17:32:51kugelthe client doesn't check, it trusts you to set up what you write into the config
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17:33:43kugeli.e. it expects you successfully build a sim before you declare you can build systems :)
17:33:55kugels/systems/sims/
17:35:39TheSevenkugel: it checks it for everything else
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17:36:37TheSevenmight be worth adding
17:36:49TheSevengevaerts: you know how this thing works, don't you?
17:37:02gevaertsI know it's perl
17:37:11kugeltoo bad :)
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17:37:46kugelTheSeven: IMO it's not asked too much to want you to verify what you can build yourself
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17:38:07TheSevenso it should probably check for sdl-config being present if "sdl" is in the archlist, similar to what it does for the crosscompilers
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17:38:53TheSevenkugel: I don't think I've ever build a sim before, let alone things like the database tool or weird SH or CF builds
17:39:26kugelthat's no excuse
17:40:08TheSeveni just updated that box to natty, moved the client as-is to the new system, ran rockboxdev.sh and thought i was finished :)
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18:43:53funmanif you find an answer please put a disassembly guide on the wiki :)
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19:33:05bertrikAlexP_, I committed the AMSv2 sd card fixes/cleanups for 3.8.1 last night
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19:41:52AlexP_bertrik: great, thanks
19:42:06AlexP_bertrik: Is that all as far as you are concerned?
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20:33:16bertrikAlexP_, yes
20:33:26AlexP_great
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20:53:31saratogabertrik: no (recent) change in the Clipv2 noise, although its possible it once sounded different
20:53:58saratogai need to figure out a way to record the noise, but i doubt my sound card would work well for such low levels
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20:55:23bertrikhm, too bad, I was getting my hopes up because of this post on the abi forums: http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=546134&postcount=112
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20:55:36bertrikI hoped one of my recent AMSv2 fixes had accidentally fixed the noise :)
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21:14:02saratogawell its possible it used to sound different
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21:25:10bertrikThere was some GPIO poking in the AMSv2 sd that should not be there. I guessed this possibly caused current spikes.
21:25:45saratogahmm
21:27:46saratogaunfortunately it takes me so long to switch builds is almost impossible for me to compare the noise, but i can try to compare to 3.7
21:28:09saratogaZagor: could you remove the link to the old archos builds from the 3.8 release page: http://www.rockbox.org/download/
21:28:18saratogathats probably really confusing for new users
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21:30:22n1ssaratoga: if the change you want to test don't make codecs incompatible, couldn't you just copy a main binary to a different filename and rolo to switch between the two
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21:36:37Buschelsaratoga: imho we should not add the latest replaygain fixes to the major changes page. especially as those bugs were introduced after 3.8 was branched off. and very especially as I introduced those bugs by myself :/
21:37:06saratogaall of them were new bugs? i thought the 0.00 was always there
21:37:13saratogaerr bug with 0.00 was always there
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21:39:12Buschelno, from the code I can see in the v3.8 branch the bug was not there in v3.8.
21:39:28saratogaoh my mistake
21:41:03BuschelI did just oversee that there was some special handling in our dsp code to handle incomplete replaygain data...
21:41:20Buschelwell, shit happens :)
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22:03:25DanielHolthdid anyone make headway on porting a host USB stack to the sansa clip?
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22:04:45saratogayeah we've had that for a while now
22:04:45Buschelsaratoga: I can reproduce the wrong resuming (forum bug report) with my sim here.
22:04:57saratogawhat did you have to do?
22:05:08saratogai tried a lot on the clip and couldn't get it to work
22:05:18DanielHolthsaratoga so I can attach a USB keyboard to the clip+ and type? in theory?
22:05:35saratogaprovided you wrote a driver for a keyboard, probably
22:05:48saratogano idea if thats electrically possible on the clip though
22:06:10Buschelsaratoga: play song A until -2 seconds before it ends, then pause playback and shut down the sim. resume will then play song B at the position of song A
22:06:23Buschel(song B must be longer a song A for this test)
22:06:34saratogai tried that a half dozen times, although maybe the lengths were wrong
22:07:06DanielHolthsince the clip+ has a USB OTG controller, I think it should be electrically possible.
22:08:01saratogaBuschel: yeah that got it, maybe the track lengths were wrong with the files i tried
22:08:12Buschel:)
22:08:26saratogaweird that if they're wrong it doesn't screw up
22:09:20BuschelI guess the seek is aborted if the resume position is beyond the file length
22:09:35Buschelso, we wil then either skip or play from 0:00
22:09:39saratogai don't think so, when i tried it seeked to the right location in file A
22:09:39Buschel*will
22:09:53Buschelah, ok
22:10:00saratogabut when i tried it on a short filer followed by a longer file it ended up in file B as you said
22:10:17saratogamaybe its the absolute length of the file that matters
22:10:35Buschelor the bitrate...
22:13:40pamauryDanielHolth: a usb otg controller is not sufficient, you also need the electrical parts associated with the host part
22:17:03DanielHolthwhich parts would those be?
22:17:38Tornesoftware controlled pullup resistors
22:17:56pamauryand the host must also be able to supply 5V
22:18:03Torneand a few other bits
22:18:38Tornealso doing OTG on a B port is spec-violating ;)
22:18:47pamauryyeah but that's another problem ;)
22:19:30pamauryI'm not sure someone actually tried to have a host working on some players like the clip or the clip+
22:19:32DanielHolthdon't report me to the spec police
22:19:40DanielHolth5V is easy to find.
22:20:25pamaurythe problem is not to find it but to "plug" it. Most players are able to use the supplied 5v to recharge but you need to be able to do the converse
22:20:59pamauryon some players this might even be handled by the hardware
22:21:12pamauryunfortunately
22:22:12DanielHolthmy other idea was to take the SDA and SCL lines to the FM radio and expose them to talk either UART or i2c to some external part. USB host would be preferable because there would be no tiny soldering.
22:23:57DanielHolthI would never expect the clip+ to actually generate the +5V to power something else, I would just splice a 5V supply into the cable.
22:25:30pamauryIf you can supply 5V then perhaps you can use the controller but actually we don't understand everything in the usb init sequence :-/
22:25:50pamauryAlthough I seem to remember that the hardware is host capable
22:26:30DanielHolthbut the rockbox usb stack already supports it (and works on some hardware?) with some compilation option?
22:26:43Torneno, there is no host support in rockbox
22:26:45n1shost is not supported
22:26:46Tornefor any target.
22:27:13DanielHolththanks
22:27:22pamaurythat's the problem, to check host support we need to be sure the stack is working ;)
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22:28:16DanielHolthrockbox has its own original USB stack?
22:28:21n1sinterest in writing a host stack has been small, IIRC the usb host stuff is even documented for the beast but noone has been interested in that
22:28:41n1sand on the h300
22:28:43gevaertsRockbox has its own device stack, yes
22:28:56pamauryonly a few interested people have a host capable device
22:29:04DanielHolththanks all
22:29:07gevaertsI think host will be easiest on the gigabeat F
22:29:20pamauryI would be interested in writing the stack but don't have such a device and don't really the time neither :)
22:29:42n1sbut you also need drivers on top of the stack to use it for anything
22:30:01pamauryyes of course
22:30:18pamauryactually most host are uhci or ohci (with variants perhaps)
22:30:39n1si have a feeling our users will expect to just plug in anything with a usb plug and have it magically do something :)
22:31:37pamaurythat would be nice
22:32:01n1smagic often is
22:32:14gevaertsThe main use for usb host support would be rbutil.rock
22:32:51n1sand attaching a nic to be able to play multiplayer doom of course
22:33:57bertrikmagic smoke maybe
22:34:21DanielHolthyou mean spacerocks?
22:34:46DanielHolthvisions of dreamcast interactive memory cards...
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22:58:56Buschelsaratoga: the resume issue occurs if you pause/shutdown during a small time window. this window begins when audio_check_new_track() is called, as this functions calls playlist_next() which updates the playlist index. the playlist index should be updated in audio_finalise_track_change() −− which is the end of the time window as this signals that the new track has started to play.
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23:47:03enthdegreeRobo can play m4a, right?
23:48:27gevaertsYou'll have to ask the Robo people
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