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#rockbox log for 2011-04-08

00:00:15*sideral is an awesome tagtree wrangler
00:00:39bertrikI should have made notes when unbricking my clip+, but I was too anxious about just getting it back to life
00:01:09sideralI've just added my first feature to the DB browser. :)
00:01:40jhMikeSBuschel: No, with my rework, there is no problem about correct resume at pending track transitions
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00:02:22TheSevendo we know the clip+ jtag pins?
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00:03:09bertrikyes, probably, http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WebHome?topic=SansaClip
00:03:12 Nick mt_ is now known as mt (~mtee@41.233.149.140)
00:03:33jhMikeSof course, I don't know if anyone will want that stuff committed...it's not like it's reduces binsize (definitely not depending on if a reliable skip peek-ahead is wanted)
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00:05:14jhMikeSof course I didn't give a toss about binsize, only being thorough
00:05:24TheSevendammit
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00:05:34TheSevennot even grounding a data pin of the nand makes it go to the other mode
00:06:38jhMikeSit's always those last little annoying bits that seem to eat up more time than the bulk of the work :\
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00:07:01bertrikI could try to write a simple plugin tomorrow to dump the internal ROM alias at 0x8000.0000 to a file
00:08:09gevaertsbertrik: actually, IIRC there's some code in the debug menu already that does such things, so you should be able to just change an address and size somewhere
00:11:21CIA-87New commit by 03Buschel (r29692): Fix residual red. Keep index in mp3entry for HWCODEC.
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00:13:34TheSevenbertrik, saratoga: no matter what i do, it will always boot into the 4mb mode
00:14:01TheSevenneither the recovery pin nor the flash data pins seem to have an influence
00:14:38jhMikeSBuschel: what about the mpeg.c lines that were removed? :)
00:16:21bertrikTheSeven, the 4mb mode is non-volatile, right?
00:16:27CIA-87r29692 build result: All green
00:16:37TheSevenit's really funny
00:16:49TheSeventhe data i read on that drive is some kind of repetitive garbage pattern
00:17:03TheSevenit's always a bit different, but always looks kind of similar
00:17:09BuscheljhMikeS: from my understanding those were not relevant in sim. the target related usage of "index" might be used by the alpine_cdc plugin...
00:17:27TheSevenreading is way faster than writing, and if i write to it, the data seems to be kept until the next reboot
00:17:44TheSevenif i unplug and replug it, it stops respoding until i reboot it
00:17:52TheSevenafter that reboot, the garbage pattern is there again
00:18:14BuscheljhMikeS: weird dependencies we have...
00:18:18bertrikso maybe it's ram, and the garbage pattern is a left-over of a ram test?
00:18:35jhMikeSstovepipes
00:18:38TheSevenbut why would writing be like 4 times slower than reading then?
00:18:44bertrikhm, don't know
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00:22:11*jhMikeS aims to kill offset based resume shortly after which would simplify things (offset being a rough buffering guide only)
00:23:13sideraljhMikeS: What do you want to replace it with −− time offset?
00:23:29jhMikeStime for everything
00:23:47amiconnYou can
00:23:57sideralprobably a good idea
00:24:05TheSevenhm, the only thing i could think of as a jtag candidate would that unpopulated thing in the top right corner: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/pub/Main/SansaAMSUnbrick/sandisksansaclipplusdis.jpg
00:24:06amiconn't resume mp3 at a precise point in time without scanning the whole file
00:25:26jhMikeSI know there a few consideration with that. Most codecs have no use of it on SWCODEC, just mpa and wavpack
00:25:42*TheSeven gives up on that one for tonight
00:27:46*amiconn wonders what's bad about offset based resume
00:28:16amiconnIt works for all formats and doesn't require excessive scanning
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00:30:09sideralamiconn: One problem I've found with offsets is that they aren't portable to non-Rockbox players −− no other (non-Rockbox) player I know uses resume offsets, making synchronizing resume offsets among heterogeneous players harder
00:30:15jhMikeSlike I said, nothing uses it but wavpack and mpa but even with time resume, offset could still operate
00:31:00amiconnWhy would one synchronize resume offsets between different players?
00:31:36jhMikeSthere's the inconsistency and playback has to play some games internally. the new version also can run codecs specifically to seek them and offset is bogus since playback doesn't know what it should be
00:31:48sideralamiconn: To continue listening to a podcast at home that I started listening to at work or on my mobile DAP
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00:32:08BuscheljhMikeS: I just tested resume on my nano 2g target. works fine even when reshuffling
00:32:59jhMikeSI just made a fresh build from SVN, I'll check again
00:33:17amiconnsideral: So why not using rockbox at home as well?
00:33:56Buschelbtw, what was the command to resync all files via svn?
00:34:00sideralamiconn: My Squeezeboxen don't run it −− neither does my Linux desktop at work
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00:35:40*amiconn uses his daps at home or at work as well, except for one thing - http streaming - which doesn't have resume indices
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00:36:10sideralamiconn: gPodder (the podcatcher I use) will soon offer synchronizing resume points across multiple players (even remotely via a web service), and they plan to use the timecode as the resume point
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00:38:22*amiconn still thinks that if the most common format doesn't mix well with time based resume, using the latter is a bad idea
00:39:35amiconnFor vbr with xing header you can at least do an estimate - without xing header there's no way. You don't even know the total playing time of the track in that case
00:40:55sideralHow does Rockbox derive it's time offset from the storage offset it a VBR track is resumed in the middle?
00:41:14sideralAlso, don't bookmarks use a time offset as well?
00:41:21user890104is ROLO supported on ipod nano 2g?
00:41:30jhMikeSsideral: see mpa.c
00:41:41jhMikeSthat's one way, I haven't checked hwcodec
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00:44:09amiconnGetting time offset from byte offset is also just an estimate, but unlike doing it the other way round, precision isn't important, since it's just for display
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00:45:13Buschelmy build says "Version: r29689:29690M-110407"... how can I search for the cause of r29689 quickly?
00:45:18jhMikeSif cuesheets are involved then precision can be quite important
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00:48:39amiconnWhy? All that happens is that the sub-track changes aren't displayed properly. The resume position within the file will still be correct
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00:49:04*jhMikeS still sees the same resume problems after shuffle
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00:50:16amiconnWhereas if you base resume on time offset, the resume position may be off by half a minute or so within a cd-length vbr mp3 file
00:50:38amiconnThat's *with* xing header
00:50:52*Buschel wishes he never touched this code... I did not expect and want to spent so many hours on this :/
00:51:06Buschelneed to get some sleep now...
00:51:34jhMikeSgoodnight (trust me, I sympathize :)
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01:05:05saratogaon arm11, do i need to interleave loads, or is there no advantage to that
01:05:28saratogaits not clear to me if the load/store pipeline can have multiple loads outstanding at once
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01:10:16jhMikeSiirc it's just the early/dependencies that matter
01:10:26jhMikeS*early/late
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01:11:21telliottMy playlist is showing an error on a file that plays just fine on my clip+ from the file browser. Has anyone seen that happen?
01:11:25saratogaso as long as nothing touches those registers, the multiplier can keep running without stalling?
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01:12:19jhMikeSyes, so long as it doesn't need them
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01:12:48telliottThe playlist had "#UTF8:" in front of some entries so I removed it but the error remains
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01:22:19saratogaldmpc is some psuedo instruction right? does anyone know if it has to go last or if i can have one more op after it to do some last bit of clean up
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01:26:30Tornesaratoga: never seen that one
01:26:35Tornebut not sure what you mean by one more op after it
01:26:40Torneoh, wait, you mean like a delay slot?
01:26:50Torneno, arm doesn't have those. instructions that change PC change it "immediately"
01:26:51saratogathe functions i saw use it as the last op
01:27:04saratogai'm not sure if it also branches back to the caller or not
01:27:17Tornecan you not see what it actually expands to?
01:27:34Torneldmfd sp!, {pc}^ or something i assume?
01:28:47saratogayeah looks like it updates the pc too
01:28:48saratogaldmiasp!, {r4, r5, r6, r7, r8, r9, sl, fp, pc}
01:28:59Tornei have no idea why that would be a pseudo instruction then
01:29:11saratogayeah seems pretty useless
01:29:13Torne(and fix your disassembler not to emit sl and fp and all that nonsense, too, nobody uses that) :)
01:29:24saratogaits the rockbox objdump
01:29:30saratogano idea how it works
01:29:30Torneheh
01:29:41Torneanyway that's just restoring every callee-saved register
01:30:05Torneldmfd sp!, {r4-11,pc}
01:30:15Torneis the conventional spelling in a source file
01:30:23Tornecan't see why you'd write a pseudoop
01:30:28jhMikeSldmpc is funman's solution to thumb interworking
01:30:50Torneoh, it's a macro?
01:30:57jhMikeSyes
01:31:15Torneah. ick.
01:31:27Tornedid nobody look into getting the linker to fix those?
01:31:34Tornethe .v4_bx relocs should let you do it :)
01:31:52Tornei have no ideda how that works though
01:31:56jhMikeSit accounts for armv4 vs. v6 setting or not setting the T bit
01:33:42Tornehm
01:34:08Tornelowercase macros freak me out still :)
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02:04:05saratogaanyone feel like checking this for stalls?
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02:05:59saratogahttp://dpaste.com/529877/
02:06:14saratogai think it shouldn't stall on arm11
02:06:42saratogaoh crap just noticed an error
02:09:20saratogahttp://dpaste.com/529877/
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02:16:30saratogai think the above is right
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02:55:38*jhMikeS nudges saratoga to grab the ARM11 reference that explains it all :)
02:56:05saratogayeah i'm reading it
02:56:24jhMikeSgood man :)
02:57:00jhMikeSit said the paste wasn't found anyhow
02:59:18[Saint]I'm no legal-beagle, and what I've read seems to imply it's ok...but if anyone knows for certain it would help: Is it ok for me to convert/redistribute an Apache licensed font on the themesite?
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03:01:27*[Saint] found an Apache licensed myriad-sans clone perfect for the iLike themes
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03:17:34Unhelpfulcan you, um, use a less garden-path-like sentence?
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03:29:29Unhelpfulobjdump uses funny register names iirc. maybe there's a "i'd like rX" option?
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03:38:37saratogasynth.c:(.text+0x1ce0): undefined reference to `synth_full_mod_one'
03:38:50saratogai've defined this in a .S file that is assembled by gcc
03:38:57saratogawhat else do I need to do to make it link?
03:39:01jhMikeSdid you use .global?
03:39:20saratoga.global synth_full_mod_one
03:39:59jhMikeSummm...the .S is in the sources? :)
03:40:20saratogai had to delete a /**/ comment
03:40:26saratoganow its confused about my .req statements
03:41:31saratogaif we preprocess .S files why can't I use block comments exactly?
03:41:45jhMikeSI haven't had any problem with those
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03:42:18saratogasomething is badly fucked up
03:45:05saratogai had this compiling a minute ago, now assembly doesn't seem to be able to parse the text
03:45:12saratogagiving me errors on lines with nothing related to the statement
03:46:22Unhelpfulsaratoga: pretty sure you *can* use block comments? :/
03:46:33saratogayeah i see that
03:46:41saratogano idea why removing them changes the errors i'm getting
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03:48:07Unhelpfulcopy-paste nested comments? but those should warn, also they tend to be obvious...
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03:49:07saratogabah the GPL header at the top of the file was cut off and the comment never ended
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03:53:25saratogaa prefetch abort from an assembly file likely means what?
03:54:07jhMikeSthat there's a bug in the assembly code :D
03:55:07saratogai expected to hear static due to bugs, not just crash
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04:02:21saratogado i have to clean up any arguments left on the stack by the calling function, or does the compiler handle that?
04:02:28saratoga(if theres more then 4 args)
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04:13:10*Unhelpful is not sure who is responsible for clearing stack args... but couldn't you test by compiling a test function that calls an extern w/ >4 args?
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04:15:53saratogadoes the stack count up as you push onto it, or count down as you push?
04:16:09saratoga add sp, sp, #16 @ compensate for temp storage
04:16:13saratogathats making me worry
04:19:22Unhelpfulthat's a matter of convention, and i forget which way our stack grows :/
04:22:03saratogaapparently the opposite way i expected
04:32:23jhMikeSfull-descending
04:33:04saratogawhat about stacked arguments, do i have to remove them before returning?
04:33:42jhMikeSI don't think so, lemme check the yuv code
04:34:55jhMikeSapparenly no
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06:50:44sevendeuceHello all, can someone please explain to me why this image will not work as album art http://i.imgur.com/AjuH2.jpg
06:51:23sevendeuce I have it saved as cover.jpg in the album by the way, it just won't show and picture flow says it's invalid.
06:53:04pixelmadoes it show up in the picture viewer (just click on the jpg)? Some forms of JPGs aren't supported, e.g. so-called "progressive scan" ones. That's a quick check
06:53:40pixelmait is also very huge and I'm not sure if there's a maximum size - but it would be a waste either way
06:56:37sevendeucedamm any idea how i can get it to not be progressive scan? I have tried saving it as .bmp; and even saved it as a .gif, then conveted it to jpg/bmp at one point out of frustration
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07:01:19pixelmafrom what I can see, it isn't. Maybe it's too big, not sure. Other than that - converting should have helped if you have an eye on the correct options when saving.
07:03:57sevendeuceI don't think its too large as another cover i have is a full mb (too lazy to compress it) but thanks for the help. I'm gonna try putting it on my windows machine and saving it as a bitmap through mspaint :)
07:04:48pixelmaI would probably try to scale it down. You didn't tell if you tried the imageviewer btw., I asked because it gives some output on fail
07:05:47sevendeuceOh sorry it would just say the same thing as pictureflow, "image is invalid"
07:06:23pixelmawell, I wasn't referring to file size but resolution - a 1405x1405 pictures is quite a waste on a 320x240 display or so (just using one of our targets resolution as a guess, as I don't know which player you have exactly)
07:09:11sevendeuceyeah its a huge waste. However I am also using my device as my music backup drive, so having proper resolution covers just in case is usefull.
07:09:25sevendeuceand saving it through paint worked
07:11:00pixelmaok
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07:16:55smkgsoc contestant here. Had come earlier to discuss the buflib project. But then I had to leave. anyway, the question i had asked was, why not use buflib as a library (like it is now). Why move it to the core?. How does it help?
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07:40:59wtachismk: in order for buflib to be useful in the core, it will have to interact with parts of the core
07:41:15wtachifor instance, it needs to be aware of audio buffering
07:42:04wtachioh, he's gone. silly me.
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07:45:55IronSeanDoes anyone know how the Google Summer of Coding Applications are going? It seems like a really great opportunity, but since the deadline is tomorrow and I just learned about it an hour ago, I may have missed the boat on being involved.
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07:52:09rasherIronSean: If the deadline is tomorrow, you have to hurry, but It's not too late
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08:02:34IronSeanI definitely would have preferred having a couple weeks to get more familiar and really flesh out an idea, but I suppose nothing ever gets done if you don't try.
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08:03:10wtachiIronSean: there are students working on the buflib, ARM emulator, codec optimization, and codec library projects
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08:04:24wtachiI'd suggest not applying to one of those without relevant experience
08:04:36wtachi(I'm the student interested in the codec library project)
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08:10:01JdGordon|wtachi: noone is working on anything yet.. its all ideas
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08:10:13JdGordon|which get accepted (by us and then google) are very much up for debate
08:10:15wtachiright, we're working on proposals
08:17:22IronSeanwtachi: Thanks for the heads up on where the interest has been.
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09:58:53kugelI also posted my application for reloc plugins now, it still needs a bit of work but I'll do that until the deadline
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10:00:56rasherAnd fill up our inboxes!
10:01:03rasher:)
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10:01:49kugelthe deadline is 19:00 UTC (so 21:00 in my time) right?
10:03:09*kugel would like to know how many applications we have by now
10:03:14gevaertsyes
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10:12:52IronSeanI don't know if I am going to get an application in, between studying and a final tomorrow and knowing that it will obviously look thrown together. I might just end up working as a normal contributer and attempting to do the SoC next summer.
10:15:36AlexPSure, it is always great to get new people :)
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10:58:10gevaertsIronSean: just for information, so we can maybe improve things, how did you hear from gsoc, and what could we (rockbox and/or gsoc community in general) have done to reach you earlier?
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11:50:41rigolettogevaerts, searching for GSOC i found its used for German Space Operation Center :-)
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13:26:12skapazzohello again to everyone.
13:29:15*skapazzo finally got everything in line and is applying, just in time.
13:29:38Aylanoooooooooo
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13:47:57n1shmm, so i got talk clips in the playlist viewer to work but it's kind of hacky and i'd rather reuse the callback function from the tree
13:48:23n1sbut it's so tied to that tree context stuff
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13:51:38n1sfactoring the logic out might not be that hard though
13:52:44wodzhell, I can't match READ_ID response with any public micron datasheet
13:53:32n1shmm, the filetree thing has a lot of dir handling stuff i don't need though
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14:31:45n1shmm, this turned out nicer than i had hoped :)
14:31:57n1sjust need to deal with the spell as numbers mode
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15:10:32*gevaerts plans some heavy application reading tonight and tomorrow
15:10:36CIA-87New commit by 03nls (r29693): Voice filenames in the playlist viewer, closes FS #11951
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15:39:52PsyBladeare the garbled Names (eg "Przemys\x{0142}aw Ho\x{0142}ubowski") in the wiki release notes a known issue?
15:40:01CIA-87New commit by 03nls (r29694): Whitespace and cosmetics consistency cleanup in playlist_viewer.c, no functional changes.
15:40:13n1sPsyBlade: yep
15:40:37PsyBladesorry didnt find a bugreport
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15:43:48n1sand noone seems interested in fixing it
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15:44:44CIA-87r29694 build result: All green
15:44:53n1sif you have a user account in the wiki you can probably fix them yourself
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15:49:57PsyBladeI thought it was created by a script containing errors; plus I dont have an acc
15:50:38n1sPsyBlade: where do you meant specifically?, the release notes?
15:52:15n1sregenerating that list from the source file should be easy
15:52:20gevaertshm, there's a lot wrong there...
15:52:25*gevaerts fixes
15:52:45PsyBladehttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes381
15:53:36n1sIIRC those errors have been copied over from earlier release notes to the new ones, i have noticed it before
15:54:36gevaertsShould be ok now
15:55:07*gevaerts blames AlexP
15:56:40n1sfirst occurence is in the 3.4 release notes
15:57:25n1sand then in all the subsequent ones
15:58:22*gevaerts doesn't feel very motivated to fix the old ones
15:59:07n1slooks like 3.4 was created with the wrong encoding and someone "fixed" it
15:59:12*n1s doesn't mention names
15:59:36n1salso foswiki doesn't like showing the offending diff
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16:02:18n1sheh, the 3.4 release notes went through several different wrong encodings
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16:06:13gevaertsI find it interesting that people seem to add names to the list instead of just replacing the list
16:07:21n1sgevaerts: lazyness mostly, how did you regenerate it btw?
16:07:46gevaertsa bit of sed and tr
16:08:23n1smaybe we should create a ReleaseNotesTemplate page and put that command on it
16:08:27saratogai'm troubleshooting this ASM code i wrote, and it causes a hard freeze although the code does not write to memory anywhere except the stack
16:08:32saratogaany suggestions on what I should look at
16:08:55n1ssaratoga: well, the abvious question is if it corrupts the stack
16:09:03n1sobvious
16:09:12saratogai copied the code from other ASM blocks that work, so its probably ok
16:09:32n1sgevaerts: as i don't think i'm the only one here that would have to read up on woh to use tr
16:10:10n1ssaratoga: infinite loops?
16:10:37n1sit's been a while since i've done any asm but i could take a look if you wanted
16:13:25saratogatheres no loop, but i'll pastebin it
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16:14:24saratogan1s: http://paste.ubuntu.com/591258/
16:15:03saratogayou can probably ignore the big block of "smulwt" instructions, all they do is mutliply a bunch of constants with no memory writes
16:15:53saratogai commented out the two "str" instructions at the end but it didn't make a difference
16:18:52n1sthe synth_full_sp thing looks wrong, when restoring sp is set to the adress of synth_full_sp IIUC
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16:19:29saratogacrap you're right
16:19:57saratogait wasn't like that before, got mixed up while i was working i guess
16:20:10saratogawill test again
16:21:51saratogan1s: thanks, that got it running
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16:32:50IronSeangaverts: I heard about the SOC program on this week's "this week in google" from twit.tv. Chris DiBona was on and mentioning it. I'm sure Rockbox as a community did a good enough job mentioning the opportunity, but I was not actively checking during the last semester to see. I'm a a few google mailing lists, but none which mentioned the GSOC, so it's either up to Google trying to mention it more, or more likely up to me to pay a little more attention to
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16:44:45saratogaIronSean: cut off at "more attention to"
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16:46:34IronSeanMore likely up to me to pay a little more attention to some of their blogs and feeds next time.
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16:55:16thomasjfoxkugel: I'm going to merge your "host_statusbar" branch in my "SDL-windowed-mode" branch the next days
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17:00:31kugelpthomasjfox: do what you want with it :-) It's certainly not committable yet, but do you want to take that patch over? I'm busy these days
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17:03:52thomasjfoxkugelp: Ok, I'll try to polish it some more.
17:04:13thomasjfoxkugelp: I'll show it to you once it's in a somehow usable and non-buggy state
17:04:24saratogawill the gigabeatS charge in bootloader usb mode?
17:05:19kugelpthomasjfox: awesome!
17:05:56[Saint]thomasjfox: Will you be working on a way to display the native statusbar from now?
17:06:04[Saint]if so == awesome ;)
17:06:56[Saint]It would be really nice to get it playing correctly with the %w/d/e tags
17:07:10[Saint]*%wd/e
17:08:09saratogaheh my assembly runs ont he clip+ but segfaults on the gigabeatS
17:08:25saratogais there some difference between armv5e and armv6 with respect to the stack?
17:08:51Torneno
17:10:31thomasjfox[Saint]: That's the plan
17:11:13thomasjfox[Saint]: Though I guess it will take some time...
17:11:16[Saint]thomasjfox: Awesome. That would be very nice.
17:11:54Tornesaratoga: random thought: are you leaving it 8-byte aligned when crossing to/from C code?
17:11:54AlexPn1s, gevaerts: Yeah, I just copied old ones and added names. Principalluy as when I do release notes I copy the whole thing from the previous release and then alter it
17:12:09Tornenot that i guess we use any 64 bit types.
17:12:20Tornebut it's required by EABI technically
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17:14:43saratogaare the restrictions for ldrd and ldm different on v6 then v5?
17:14:43Tornei don't think so.
17:14:43TorneEABI requires that the stack pointer be 8 byte aligned on entry/exit from functions
17:14:43saratogaon the clip+ the output is merely corrupted (due to mistakes in my code), if this crash is a clue as to where that'd be nice
17:14:43n1sAlexP: yeah, i did the same thing when i did them for a release
17:14:55TorneLDM has to be 4-byte aligned, but that's no news; ldrd has to be 8-byte aligned on both
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17:15:21n1sgevaerts: maybe you could just put that tr command in acomment on the release notes page?
17:15:24TorneHm, do you have the details of the fault actually? is it an alignment fault? :)
17:15:35gevaertsn1s: It's not just a command...
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17:15:38Torne(we added code to print that on chips that have the required registers, no?)
17:16:06gevaertsI removed some lines, added the commas, and then removed the \ns, partly in an editor, partly using sed, and partly using tr
17:16:18saratogamaybe i'm not 64 bit aligned somewhere, the manual says thats unpredictable
17:16:24saratogamaybe its more unpredictable on v6 :)
17:16:32Tornesaratoga: Well, if alignment faults are enabled it should fault. on both.
17:16:35gevaertsAnd unless your locale is set up properly for utf8, that will break just the same
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17:16:58Tornedon't think it's supposed to be unpredictable..
17:17:18*Torne looks in the thing.
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17:18:28Torneanyway. if it was alignment i would probably expect it to be the other way around
17:18:41Tornewith alignment checks off armv5 gives you wrong answers, but armv6 gives you right answers slowly
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17:29:12PoodlemastahCan someone explain the difference between LCD shutdown and LCD sleep for me? Specifically on iPod devices.
17:30:17Tornelcd shutdown happens at poweroff. it turns the lcd off, possibly forever :)
17:30:37Torneit's not a feature you see.
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17:30:54Torneit's for hardware that wants the LCD/lcd controller to be deactivated in a particular way before cutting the power
17:31:11Tornelcd sleeping is a feature lots of targets have where you can turn the lcd off to save power when you aren't using it.
17:31:14Tornethey are unrelated.
17:31:23Tornelcd shutdown is something you *have* to do on those platforms
17:31:36Torne(or at least are strongly advised to do) :)
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17:32:01Tornesupporting turning the lcd off when you aren't using it requires that we know how to initialise it again afterward, which we may not
17:32:31PoodlemastahAh, makes sense. Feel a bit stupid now but yeah. Great explaination. Thanks. :)
17:33:43Torneon different platforms we rely on initialisation done by the original firmware's bootloader to varying degrees :)
17:33:52Tornesometimes we don't know how to set a given device up again if we turn it off ;)
17:35:08*pamaury has a device which he doesn't now how to turn off since it has a on/off button :)
17:35:55Aylathen press that button ;)
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17:51:15tguinotjust received my i413 dock \o/
17:51:25tguinotlet's hack a bit
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17:54:03pixelmaTorne: wanted to tell you because I think I read it wrong from you: the option to separately turn off the display is only there on the colour screen Ipods - where we know how to - because those are the only ones with transflective (I believe it's called) LCDs which are quite readable without backlight. Colour screens of the "pitch black without backlight" turn the display off together with backlight - if we know how to. Monochrome and greyscale
17:54:03pixelmascreens aren't turned off and don't have the option usually as they are very readable without backlight, except the Clips' OLED screen
17:54:52Tornepixelma: right. i didn't mean to imply we didn't do that :)
17:55:39pixelmait read to me as if the option is there on all colour screen targets or so
17:55:57Torneoh. i didn't mean the *option*
17:55:59Tornei meant the ability
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18:04:30pixelmapeople with enough forum powers: ghdwerge217 wants a ban
18:07:43gevaertspixelma: done
18:07:46gevaerts(I think(
18:08:25pixelmathe spam posts are gone, thanks
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19:15:06*skapazzo corrected his gsoc proposal just in time but thinks it is too long.
19:15:17wtachiskapazzo: it probably isn't too long
19:15:19wtachi(just guessing)
19:16:07gevaertsI don't think a proposal can't be too long
19:16:14gevaerts(note: I haven't looked at it yet)
19:16:17skapazzowtachi: let's just hope it;s at least somewhat in English
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19:17:00wtachiwhy are all levels of heading the same size? :p
19:17:58skapazzos/;/'
19:19:23*skapazzo changed his keyboard to dvorak just before writing his longest text since long=Bad idea
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19:23:28kugelis the formatting of my applications ok? I only see it in the small edit widget on the site and it looks a bit messed up (I wrote it in a text editor capping lines to 80 chars)
19:24:29wtachikugel: once you click "Update", you should be sent to the displayed version
19:24:56kugelah right :\
19:25:06skapazzokugel: had the same problem here but it let me see a preview before submitting
19:25:23skapazzowas waay too slow
19:25:32kugelit looks alright in the displayed version
19:28:28AlexPNot long to go chaps :)
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19:33:19shodan45can someone confirm or deny that the sansa fuze uses the same physical usb cable plug (not pins, though) as an ipod?
19:33:39shodan45I'm trying to figure out if I can use http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10233 with my sansa :)
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19:35:44IronSeanwtachi: Best of luck with the proposal.
19:36:41wtachiIronSean: thanks :)
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19:42:56wtachican anyone review my proposal before the deadline? I'd like some feedback on the "Tasks" section
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19:47:34AlexPwtachi: What name is it submitted under?
19:47:41wtachi"Standalone audio library"
19:47:55AlexPgotcha
19:48:07AlexPI couldn't be arsed to click through all of them to find out :)
19:48:22wtachi"all of them"? that sounds scary :O
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19:49:04AlexPI'm definately not the person to ask about the tasks part :)
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19:49:37kugelI pretty much finished my applications
19:49:39wtachiokay, thanks anyway
19:49:39gevaertswtachi: the deadline doesn't mean we can't ask for clarifications any more :)
19:50:01AlexPyeah, definitely
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19:50:58wtachiI know, but the overall plan needs to be good
19:52:35amiconnBagder: ping
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19:55:27Sohello, is there someone using rockbox on ipod nano 2nd gen ?
19:55:33amiconnBagder: As I'm just testing IE9 a bit, I came across the issue of the irc log not updating automatically, saying the method is only supported by gecko based browsers
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19:55:45bertrikSo, TheSeven is :)
19:56:09amiconnIs this a new(ish) standard method, which should be supported by sufficiently modern browsers using other engines?
19:56:17*TheSeven extends his ears
19:56:19BagderI believe it never worked with IE
19:56:34AlexPI thought it was ff only
19:56:37amiconnIE9 is quite different and more advanced than any older version
19:56:43AlexPOr ff engine derived
19:56:53SoI can't reboot my player so i can't boot on rockbox
19:57:04SoOk :)
19:57:08amiconnIf so, how could this be tested, as the script deliberately denies it for non-gecko browsers?
19:57:17Bagderamiconn: yes, but apparently this trick used for the irc viewer isn't really cross-browser
19:57:28TheSevenSo: what's the ipod's current state?
19:57:32pixelmaI read reports that the log live updatin g also doesn't work in FF4 anymore. IIRC Zagor also explained why and that it needs a rewrite
19:57:42Bagderamiconn: the script is in the scn www module
19:57:45Bagdersvn
19:57:57SoTheSeven can u help me ?
19:58:05amiconnHmm, but I'd need an own server for testing, correct?
19:58:11gevaertsamiconn: I believe the irc live update also breaks in firefox 4
19:58:17Bagderyes, I believe so
19:58:24amiconnAh, yes it does
19:58:28pixelmaI forgot the details though, must have been this week
19:58:37SoIt's turned on, apple firmware
19:58:39Bagderwe can consider it mostly broken by now
19:58:46amiconnHmm, so we should use a different method
19:58:57AlexPYeah, F5 :)
19:59:03gevaertsAnd I remember Zagor (I think it was him...) saying once that it used some gecko-specific (i.e. not standard in any way) thing
19:59:23Bagderit's zagor's thing really, I've never touched those parts
19:59:26*pixelma feels ignored
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20:00:02amiconngevaerts: Hmm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_technology#HTTP_server_push says it is
20:00:12gevaertsamiconn: but does it use that?
20:00:20amiconnIntroduced by Netscape in 1995
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20:00:38TheSevenso: is rockbox already installed on it, or are you only planning to do that?
20:00:54SoTheSeven: I've tried to reset it pressing SELECT and MENU, but it does not work
20:01:55amiconngevaerts: Looks like it does - see reader.pl
20:02:00gevaertshm
20:02:21TheSevenSo: why do you want to reset it in the first place?
20:02:53TheSevendid you already install rockbox, booted the OF and want to return to rockbox?
20:03:07TheSeventhat's about the only case (except lockups somewhere) where you would need to do that
20:03:33TheSevenand holding menu+select for 5 seconds should *always* reboot it (well, unless the hold switch is locked of course)
20:03:56SoTheSeven: already installed
20:05:54pixelmaamiconn: one hint I found http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20110405#14:05:27 (not sure if it tells much)
20:06:43SoI just want to shutdown the player to boot on RockBox after
20:07:52pixelmaand http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20110407#15:00:23 hmm
20:08:57SoNo, player wasn't turned off cause i just can put it in sleep mode
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20:15:45SoTheSeven: i just had to reinstall the bootloader and now it runs
20:15:51SoThanks to you :)
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21:05:38sanjeevgsoc proposal done!!
21:05:53sanjeevwas fun making the proposal :)
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21:06:33AlexPgood luck all, and thanks for the proposals :)
21:07:03AlexPWe shall be in touch!
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21:07:48skapazzoGood luck to everyone and happy coding however it goes
21:08:09smkdone with gsoc proposal for buflib. Exciting experience :)
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22:48:55pamauryI somehow managed to get the fuze+ in a USB ROM recovery mode \o/
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22:51:59pamauryeven more incredible is that is seems reproducable !
22:52:11gevaertsNice!
22:52:20pamauryNow, will Freescale agree to give me the list of commands "available upon request" ? :)
22:52:57pamauryapparently one can send any core through this interface but I don't know of any application using it :-/
22:53:01pamaury*code
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22:55:01pamauryhum, it is based on HID, the doc says there are 4 HID reports: status in, data in, command out, data out. I wonder what data in would be for
22:55:26pamaurydoes anyone has a contact at freescale ? :D
22:55:55pamauryThe website doesn't say how I can contact a technical guy
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23:02:00wodzpamaury: doesn't Leyra/layra (I can remember the correct spelling) project have such document?
23:02:13gevaertslyra?
23:02:20gevaertsLyre actually
23:02:22wodz:-)
23:02:59pamauryI doubt it
23:04:39wodzbtw. I figured out why my flash dump ended prematurely - the nand chip in my rockchip dap uses 4k+218 page size (but in dump code I assumed standard 2k+64)
23:06:20wodzthis unfortunately means that few hours of dumping is useless
23:07:51pamaurydone, now let's hope freescale will answer me
23:09:35wodzpamaury: unfortunately I wouldn't be too optimistic
23:09:57pamauryyeah, I know
23:10:27wodzI wonder who invented spare size not in power of 2 :/
23:12:02IronSeanYeah, 218 seems like a pretty random value to use
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23:15:17wodzhave anyone here signed NDA with micron by chance?
23:18:41pamauryperhaps nano did :)
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23:51:51CIA-87New commit by 03bertrik (r29695): Sansa Clip v2: there's no need to use |= or &= to manipulate a GPIO for the button light
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