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#rockbox log for 2011-04-15

00:00:56bluebroth3rbut that could be triggered by a post commit hook, couldn't it? Or is there a reason to keep the manual update thingy?
00:01:07AlexPno idea
00:01:17TheSevensecurity perhaps?
00:01:59gbl08ma_And isn't a rst file in SVN a manual update?
00:02:16gevaertsAutomatic updating from a specific rst directory could work, automatic updating of the entire website is dangerous
00:02:34bluebroth3rwell, I wouldn't want to update everything of course :)
00:02:38bluebroth3rjust some content files
00:02:48gevaertsbluebroth3r: well no, your scheme would work :)
00:03:16*bluebroth3r did something like that in the past (though not with rst files, and by parsing it with php)
00:03:47pixelmabluebroth3r: yes, I do experience the audio stopping on my phone. It seems to happen mostly after manual track skips, aditionally I hear short "drop outs" while just playing back for a while
00:04:42bluebroth3rpixelma: I usually have that after unlocking the screen. I've increased the size of the buffer in RockboxPCM.java and don't seem to be able to reproduce the issue anymore.
00:04:55bluebroth3rprivate static final int buf_len = ...
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00:05:17bluebroth3rI've basically made it 4*getMinBufferSize()
00:05:24bluebroth3rmaybe it's worth a try?
00:06:01pixelmaI'm currently using my phone the first time to listen a bit longer than just quick test. The dropouts seem to occur on higher CPU activity (from other apps etc.)
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00:07:01*bluebroth3r will now go back to an unmodified Rockbox and see if he can reproduce it when causing higher CPU load
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00:08:36bluebroth3rI came to the impression that the dropout is caused by the buffer running empty. In my case the minimum buffer is around 12k, and with a buffer of 24k there isn't that much room (especially since the documentation says that the minimum buffer does not guarantee smooth playback)
00:08:41pixelmaok, I think I'll try tomorrow in the evening at home - I'm currently abroad and even if I could get an apk (and even build it), getting the apk from an EDGE connection won't be nice...
00:09:03bluebroth3rindeed.
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00:11:21pixelmaI also wonder about the hiss that's most noticeable on each track start. My first thought was that it is some hardware thing but it's gone for a short moment during the actual track change
00:11:27bluebroth3rstill plays fine :)
00:12:21pixelmaI wonder how buffering works on RaaAA
00:12:55*pixelma is in wondering mood it seems
00:13:38bluebroth3rno idea, but the data is passed to this AudioTrack instance AFAIU, and that gets a callback when new data is needed (or a configured position in the stream is reached)
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00:15:15pixelmaconstantly, or is something buffered in advance - or is this the OS's thing?
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00:16:06bluebroth3rAFAIU there is a playback buffer you need to fill. Then you get notified when new data is needed.
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00:27:46gbl08ma_Yesterday I discovered that my contacts plugin in LUA (FS #11989) is able to do magic with Rockbox's menu API, when there are too many contacts. From empty spaces in the menu (no item at all!) to items with strange characters that shouldn't exist, my plugin is able to bug the menus in lots of ways, it seems...
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00:30:52gbl08ma_The empty space in the menu is particularly interesting, if I could make use of it intentionally. I'd like to have a separator in some menus - nothing better than a empty space!
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00:35:16sideralAlexP: I've just had the DB add my first file dynamically :)
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00:46:40gbl08maHow can I attach a file on the wiki? I'm trying to add a new iconset.
00:47:26*gbl08ma thinks that's why stuff.rockbox.org should exist - but that's a subject for another discussion.
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01:12:52smksaratoga: had some questions. if you are free, can i ask them now?
01:12:58saratogasure
01:14:40smkcan i get an idea of what libfaad exactly is and how does it fit in the big picture? i started working on making libfaad malloc-free. i used cscope to do the analyses and found that no external function actually calls any of libfaad's services
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01:16:30smkthe libfaad headers are included in aac.c. but then aac is not calling the library.
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01:19:33smkand also, i am coming to grips with the code architecture just. i ran the uisimulator and ran gdb in the background, so i could track which function does what while i am using the ui.
01:20:19saratogalibfaad is a decoder library used by aac.c to decoder AAC audio
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01:22:12smkyeah right. hmm. i didn't find any explicit calls made to faad though. i might be wrong. i will look into that again.
01:23:57saratogasmk: you're looking at aac.c right?
01:24:10smkyeah
01:24:14saratogacheck the line "Decode one block - returned samples will be host-endian"
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01:26:33smkyeah it's there.
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01:27:10saratogathats the main decode block for libfaad
01:27:31smkok. i was looking for an interaction of faad with the rest of the code. that's the call. i will follow that.
01:27:59smkso the plan was to find how much mem is allocated, worst case. and then alloc that much statically
01:28:14ml2hi - im in trouble here :) have a sansa clip v2 and tried to install rb. but after the installation (manual and with the utility) it boots to the OF and not rb - any ideas what im missing/doing wrong?
01:28:28saratogadid you install the bootloader?
01:28:58ml2yes - automated full, only bootloader and manually with mk*.exe
01:29:35ml2no success :( - the firmware is v02.01.35 ...
01:29:59saratogawhat do you mean no success?
01:30:07saratogadid it take the patched firmware?
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01:31:15ml2after unmounting and unplugging the device, it is updating the firmware - when i start it up again, it asks me for the language and region ... (old firmware again ...)
01:31:51ml2so i guess it is the bootloader - but how to verify that :D
01:33:40smksaratoga: all the dynamic alloc happens by calling faad_malloc. so i started by finding all functions that call faad_malloc and trace them back. the size allocated depends on some variables. so i started by assuming the worst case to be when these variables attain their maximum.
01:33:58saratogasmk: theres really no point in doing that
01:34:30saratogaif your changes just increase the amount of memory required to decode files then we're better off just leaving the malloc calls in there
01:34:52saratogayou should look at each call, determine how much memory is actually needed, and then statically allocate it
01:35:31smkright.
01:38:08smki am using the simulator for debugging purposes. and i am also printing some debug info where necessary by calling DEBUGF. is there a way where i can force a call to the malloc , using the simulator?. just an idea.
01:38:30saratogai don't understand the question?
01:39:08smklike reproducing a bug on a device and printing the debug info. but on the simulator.
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01:41:50smki figured if i could print the variable values as debug info while the simulator is running, then i can get info on parameters and stuff. hence helping in the memory alloc calculation
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01:43:44saratogasmk: oh sure, you can print anything you want with debugf
01:44:00saratogamemory allocation should be the same on the sim as device
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01:46:28smkyeah but i couldn't produce the calls on the sim. say i did DEBUGF("hi") within faad_malloc. but while the sim is running, control never goes there. that is, no malloc is being done. so if there was a way where i could force a call or something to that effect, i can get sizes used for every call
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01:49:19saratogasmk: are you sure you had it in the right place? what happens if you put the print statement in the init or decode functions?
01:49:37smkin the init function it's working
01:49:52smki could track the code till root_menu()
01:50:55smki placed a debugf statement within faad_malloc and played a song on the simulator,hoping that might result in a call to malloc
01:51:29smkand yeah , i am rebuilding every time i make a change to the code :P
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01:52:51smki will try with the decode function you mentioned though. i didn't notice the call made by aac earlier. so i will try that.
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01:59:15ml2@ saratoga any ideas how i could proceed?
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02:00:34saratogaml2: random stuff, what version of rbutil did you use?
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02:01:34ml21.2.8
02:01:43ml2rev 28154
02:03:12saratogathat should be fine
02:03:24saratogawhen you got the firmware to update, did you use rbutil for that?
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02:04:31ml2first yes - then i tried it the manual way ...
02:05:06saratogaso the firmware updated both ways?
02:05:19ml2yes
02:05:38saratogaunless i've missed something, i have no idea
02:06:04ml2:) so we are on the same level now :D
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02:06:45ml2maybe i should try the stable build O:-)
02:07:35saratogaif you can't install a bootloader, changing builds won't do anything
02:08:08ml2yup you're right :/
02:17:14ml2hm - what is mkamsboot.exe doing? is there a docu about the bootloader for the different devices?
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02:26:35smksaratoga: a print statement in the decoder didn't work. i put it in this function: NeAACDecDecode , which is called from aac. and played a song on the sim. does it happen with specific audio files?
02:27:22ml2hm will try to hack into it tomorrow - its 2:30am :/
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02:29:33smki will look for other functions or entry points and see if the give anything useful. will be off now. thanks for the help :)
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03:27:37scorchekugel_: see your proposal(s)' comments...
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03:36:24[Saint]Dominik: I'll give your RaaA patches a whirl this afternoon.
03:36:44[Saint]I was doing something similar (though, not as fleshed out) with "resources on SD" myself.
03:36:53[Saint]gah! why did I do that?!?
03:36:59[Saint]er... bluebrother: ^^
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03:42:19[Saint](a (possibly) interesing thing to note is that I experience the lockups on my handset more frequently while the sdcard readahead value is at it's default. the "speed your sdcard read" "hack" floating around XDA etc had (or seemed to) a notable improvement in this respect)
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05:37:10stanelieHello. Is anyone in here familiar with the H10 5-6gb hardware?
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07:16:23[Saint]bluebrother: I've tested both your patches now.
07:17:11[Saint]Audio dropouts: I have not yet had a singular audio dropout today, when usually I would have several.
07:19:07[Saint]Move resources to SDcard: with your patch, and my deleting all "non-essential" files in the .zip before running 'make apk' I have got the installed size of my 240x320 build down to 8.98MB
07:19:38[Saint](the same tweaks to the .zip without your patch == 10.99 installed)
07:20:10[Saint]"stock" RaaA for 240x320 == ~14.8MB
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07:38:45bluebrother[Saint]: nice :)
07:38:50[Saint]shit.
07:38:57[Saint]I just discovered the drawback...
07:39:40[Saint]RaaA does the "Loading X of XXX" every time it starts up after the service is stopped now.
07:40:34[Saint]it's fine as long as the service doesn't get killed. (either by the OS, or by "Idle Timeout" etc.)
07:40:51[Saint]bluebrother: ^
07:43:27[Saint]It's not *toooo* much of an issue, I guess...as long as the service is still running. But it makes the application start time quite considerably longer.
07:45:20bluebrotheryep, I've seen that too. But it's caused by the SD card move, and the more important thing to me is the playback fix
07:45:34bluebrothersince previously playback was _really_ unusable for me
07:47:06[Saint]It happened to me (the audio dropout thing) approximately once or twice per day.
07:47:20[Saint]Heavy seeking/skipping aggrivated it.
07:48:00[Saint]I've been specifically trying to get it to hang all day since I applied the patch with heavy seeking and skipping and I have not managed to get it to drop out yet.
07:49:27[Saint]And I personally can tolerate +2 seconds for Rockbox to load, but others may not.
07:49:46[Saint]It's ok if I don't rely on idle timeout to close the application.
07:50:10bluebrotherwell, I had the audio issue like every second time the display went off.
07:50:25[Saint]Wow.
07:50:38bluebrotherand afterwards I had a hard time getting playback working again −− stop and restart a couple of times, sometimes it was working afterwards
07:50:52bluebrothersometimes it was playing back like half of a second and hang again.
07:51:12bluebrotherkilling Rockbox from a task manager and restarting did fix it, but that's really unusable
07:51:50[Saint]Hmmm...I wonder if this fixes keyclick for me. I must check that soon. (keyclick used to promote the audio dropout after 1 "click". It would click, then audio output completely stopped)
07:52:37burnedpotatoehi i have am trying to compile RB and I receive the following error : addtargetdir.pl: not found
07:52:42bluebrothernever used keyclick on Android. Should try.
07:52:53bluebrotherburnedpotatoe: what exactly are you doing?
07:53:04burnedpotatoecompiling rb simulator
07:53:08bluebrotherI can't remember any addtargetdir.pl being required for building Rockbox
07:53:11[Saint]bluebrother: \o/
07:53:13bluebrotherplease be more specific
07:53:24[Saint]keyclick works, but it's *really* annoying :)
07:54:03[Saint]it never used to, this patch seems to have fixed it as an added bonus.
07:54:06burnedpotatoewell i'm following the http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator tutorial to build the sim for nano 2G
07:54:06[Saint]nice.
07:54:22burnedpotatoeand when I use make
07:54:36bluebrother[Saint]: nice, same here too
07:54:36burnedpotatoei get this error : http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator
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07:54:44bluebrotherkeyclick comes a bit late :)
07:55:20burnedpotatoe* this error : addtargetdir.pl: not found
07:55:35burnedpotatoestrangely it is in the directory ..
07:55:53bluebrotherburnedpotatoe: it should be in tools
07:55:59burnedpotatoeit is
07:56:10bluebrotherwhat OS are you using?
07:56:41burnedpotatoeubuntu 10.10
07:58:52bluebrotherhmm, addtargetdir.pl is indeed called. Guessed I never noticed it then :)
07:59:01burnedpotatoeaddtargetdir.pl: not found make: *** No rules to make the target « /Rockbox/build-rb/make.dep », necessary for « all »
07:59:48burnedpotatoei'm pretty new to make and stuff :)
07:59:48bluebrotherthe sources are in /Rockbox?
07:59:58saratogado you have build essential and perl installed in ubuntu?
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08:00:12bluebrotherUbuntu doesn't install perl by default?
08:00:20burnedpotatoehum
08:00:24burnedpotatoegood question
08:00:59bluebrothertype "perl" and see if you get an error message :)
08:01:23burnedpotatoeyes I have one
08:01:34bluebrotherone as in error message?
08:02:28burnedpotatoehum I have perl package but when I type perl it doesnt do anything
08:02:40bluebrotherdo you get an error message?
08:02:44burnedpotatoenop
08:02:47bluebrotheror only "nothing"?
08:02:49saratogathen its working
08:02:55saratogado you have build essential?
08:03:22burnedpotatoeno :D
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08:06:39[Saint]http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling
08:08:01burnedpotatoesorry i didnt read that :S
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08:11:49burnedpotatoei will read that and tell you if i get the error again
08:13:22[Saint]There's no need to apologize ;) If you follow the steps outlined there, you should have a functional development environment in no time.
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08:29:56burnedpotatoetill same error
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11:09:39kugelit's indeed quite short notice
11:12:48kugelactually, something like 16:00 (UTC) suit me better, anytime on the weekend would be best.
11:13:23kugelbut I think I can do it on the proposed date, it'll just be a bit tricky for me to organize
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12:59:23cseteraGood morning
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13:00:34cseteraI'm the guy that build the tagcache database generator being discussed in the forums. The suggestion was that I stop by here to get some help getting write access to the wiki.
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13:01:31cseteraIf there is anyone around that could help me out with that, I'd appreciate it!
13:04:09bluebrotherdo you have signed up for the wiki yet?
13:06:04cseterabluebrother: I tried and it failed for me.
13:06:09cseteraI can try again right now if you'd like
13:08:01bluebrotheryou should be able to sign up. If not I can't help you, but if that works I can give you write access
13:08:43bluebrotheris there a specific problem with signing up?
13:09:32cseteraLet me give it a try again… hold on
13:09:38csetera(juggling some work stuff :-) )
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13:12:30cseteraIt looks like despite the errors I saw the other night that my user was created anyway. CraigSetera appears to work for login and just needs write access
13:16:01bluebrotherok, so you can login as that user, and that user nane is your real name?
13:16:08cseteraIt is
13:16:18cseterahttp://www.setera.org is me
13:19:14mshathlonxphow does screendump works?
13:19:47gevaertsThe framebuffer is written to a file together with a bmp header
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13:20:51mshathlonxpall the time it's enabled?
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13:21:40n1smshathlonxp: no, when you trigger it
13:22:11mshathlonxphow?
13:22:28n1sby googling? http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ScreenDump
13:23:17mshathlonxpnice, thanks
13:23:43mshathlonxpjust one more question - does "usb connector" here means just usb power or data as well?
13:24:01mshathlonxpwill it do screenshot when I'll plug my ipod to wall charger?
13:24:38bluebrothercsetera: should work now.
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13:29:00cseterabluebrother: ok
13:30:06cseterayep. Looks like it is allowing me to change it now
13:30:20bluebrothermshathlonxp: try it?
13:30:29cseteraI will change it to add my tool and then find some time this weekend to update the format to match what I found while working on it
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13:30:39bluebrothercsetera: good :)
13:35:53mshathlonxpjust usb power :>
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13:57:02cseteraThanks for the help with the wiki. I've made an initial change and will do more updates this weekend. For now, need to drop off
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15:28:43promylophI have a sansa clip+ and everytime I add files with the original firmware rockbox' settings are lost/reset. Bug?
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15:51:31TheLemonMandoes "BMP" have a meaning when talking about nand?
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16:03:27sinlesshello
16:03:54sinlessalexp,i saw chinese language fixed,then try,but also the same
16:05:34sideralsinless: Yeah, n1s fixed an unrelated bug that came up when he reviewed the language file. The bug you reported hasn't been found yet.
16:06:23sideralIt would be best if you reported it on the bug tracker. Please include your findings regarding which releases work and which don't.
16:08:48CIA-87New commit by 03bluebrother (r29713): Remove empty folder.
16:09:19sideralpromyloph: definitely not intended behavior. Check whether the .rockbox/config.cfg still exists. I also suggest checking the file system.
16:10:47sideralsinless: It would also be helpful if you checked whether the problem also occurs with the simulator (with or without the same simdisk contents as you have on your player)
16:12:35CIA-87r29713 build result: All green
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16:24:02sinlesssideral,I just wrote the problem on bug tracker,please help me check the words,I'm poor in English- -
16:24:08sinlessthanks.
16:24:10sinlessThis bug was found after I update my 7 ipods from 3.3 to 3.8.1
16:24:10sinlesswhen using simp-chinese and open database RAM cache, enter database choose one of the sections,rockbox then freeze.only happens with simp-chinese.have already tested on 7 ipods.gen1~5 have the same problem,ipod classic will show a data abort.
16:24:19sinlessis it right?
16:27:02sideralthat's OK, thanks sinless. Please add the complete data abort message, including the hexadecimal address displayed on the screen, and the version number of the Rockbox release you were running on your iPod Classic
16:27:53sideralsinless: have you tested any versions between 3.3 and 3.8.1?
16:28:12sideralif so, please include your results with these versions as well.
16:28:30promylophsideral: config.cfg exists, but fsck.vfat reports "FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ?".
16:28:45sideralchoose FAT 1.
16:28:50sinlessno,only 3.3
16:29:03sideralpromyloph: That's normal on the Clip, the OF sometimes does not update the 2nd FAT
16:29:26sinlesson 3.3 it works
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16:32:32promylophsideral: Ok, now I'm seeing *lots* of errors. Need a sample?
16:32:45kugelbluebrother: what device/android version?
16:33:03kugelhtc sense with 2.1 or earlier has a severe bug
16:33:22sideralpromyloph: Yes, please. Please use pastebin.com for long copy/paste
16:34:35promylophsideral: http://pastebin.com/wwRyE2pv I have no idea which solution is the best, so I just pressed '1' all the time...
16:34:59promylophLooks like this is going on for a long time like this.
16:35:18sideralUgh, looks like it's format time for your disk :)
16:35:54sideralBTW, fsck.vfat only really fixes the errors when you run it with the -r flag
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16:37:18sideralNext time you write stuff to your player, make sure to unmount it properly before you detach it from the host ;)
16:37:40promylophI'll give it a try. It should be possible to do this with mkfs or do I have to use the OF's format command?
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16:43:14bluebrotherkugel: the audio issue? HTC Sense on Android 2.2
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16:44:16bluebrotherdevice is a Desire, so not a less powerful one
16:45:53sideralpromyloph: I suggest using the OF's format command. I personally wouldn't dare doing this without flashing a non-Rockbox'd OF first, but YMMV
16:47:21sideralBTW, last time I did this, the Clip+'s format procedure did not restore the disk's volume label ("SANSA CLIPP"). I did that manually using mlabel.
16:49:22promylophLooks like mkfs.vfat works too ;)
16:54:02promylophsideral: Ok, that solved my initial problem. Thanks. Another question: rockbox does not support USB data transfer/charging for this device yet, does it?
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16:55:20sideralIt's there in the code, but not enabled by default because of various issues with it.
16:56:17promylophCan I help with this somehow?
16:57:39sideralCheck out FS #11664 and FS #11877 if you feel adventurous and want to help testing. Enabling it is a four-line patch to an include file.
16:58:29sideralI personally use Rockbox USB on my ClipV2 without any problems, but have run into FS #11877 on my Clip+
16:59:22sideralCorrection: USB charging is supported out of the box; just USB slave mode is off by default
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17:00:53promylophThanks. I'll take a look at these.
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17:28:24burnedpotatohi i'm trying to compile rb simulator and I receive the following error : addtargetdir.pl: not found when using "make"
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17:33:41kugelpbluebrother: so it's not the infamous HTC bug
17:34:55kugelpincreasing the buffer can work but it's of course bad for latency
17:35:45kugelpalthough, I always thought we don't need a big buffer because we already double buffer with our own pcm buffer
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18:09:31pamauryTheLemonMan: just so you now, my program doesn't work with the fuze+ when sending 64 bytes at a time
18:09:48pamauryso somehow it needs to be 1024 bytes
18:10:08[Saint]kugelp: I was also getting hit by these audio drop-outs, but nowhere near as frequently as bluebrother it seems. It would only occur for me 1~2 times a day under normal use but I was anle to trugger it deliberately with heavy skipping/seeking or enabling keyclick.
18:10:22TheLemonManpamaury: with final intr write ?
18:10:33pamaurydoesn't matter, transfer fails before
18:10:39pamaury(timeout it seems
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18:10:41[Saint]I haven't been able to do so sinch I have been running a build with bluebrother's audio dropout patch applied.
18:10:49[Saint]*since
18:11:12pamauryI'll try your program when I have a reliable feedback but changing this makes it fail :-/
18:11:42TheLemonMani'll add a command to override the packet size then
18:12:18pamauryme too, and to choose intr vs reset :)
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18:12:33pamaurysince I don't know if it matters or not
18:12:57TheLemonMani added the reset just to be sure the connection gets flushed properly
18:13:11TheLemonManit's not needed for me
18:14:05pamauryI have an answer to your question: the bootloader doesn't init sdram
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18:14:19pamaurysince if I write to sdram, it segfaults and reboot
18:15:12pamauryI'll try to copy the fuze+ OF hw init stages to see if it works
18:15:17TheLemonMani have reversed just the video init sequence
18:15:52pamaurydoes it work ?
18:16:26TheLemonMani havent written anything yet
18:16:46TheLemonManim wondering if i have to reverse some pwm/gpio initialization too
18:18:07pamauryit might be possible. pwm can be useful for backlight, if you don't backlight you won't see anything :) Also some gpio pins can enable power to some external devices...
18:19:00TheLemonManthe touchpad is interfaced over i2c wich is accessed via gpio pins
18:19:15TheLemonManand no idea about backlight D:
18:19:49pamauryyou can try with just lcd init
18:19:53pamauryif it works, it's great
18:20:07pamauryif it doesn't, then it becomes harder :)
18:20:35TheLemonManare you using the official elf2sb ?
18:21:16pamauryfor now, yes
18:23:54pamaurybut ultimately, I'll want to rewrite one, I don't want to depend on such a tool
18:25:26TheLemonManhad the same idea, heh
18:26:15pamaurybased on sbinfo that I wrote, it shouldb't be too hard to rewrite elftosb, not with the same syntax file but something similar
18:28:04TheLemonManthe xml-ish config idea was kinda cool
18:28:40*pamaury doesn't find xml too existing for such a task
18:30:52pamauryIf I add to go for something standard, a ini-like syntax seems sufficient
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18:33:01pamauryhum, copying the first init stages doesn't seem to work, even when not using the sdram...I hope the problem is not in sbinfo
18:33:17kugelpAlexP, gevaerts: is tomorrow 15:00 utc now official?
18:33:30AlexPhmm?
18:37:00*pamaury wonders if he found a bug in sbinfo
18:37:11AlexPkugelp: One moment
18:39:36pamauryhum, there is definitely a bug
18:40:19AlexPkugelp: What about 18:00 UTC (20:00 CEST) on Saturday?
18:41:01kugelpbut it looks like my today's schedule changed, I should have time today now
18:41:33AlexPhmm :)
18:41:42gevaertsDecisions...
18:41:59AlexPkugelp: Which would you prefer?
18:44:24kugelpone moment
18:47:16[Saint]Hmmm...I've actually added shutdown to the main menu, but I fear I may have re-invented the wheel. Is there a define some place that does this automagically?
18:48:22pamauryis there a ELF expert around ?
18:49:27kugelpAlexP: this is one interview for both proposals? so it'd possibly take longer in which case I would still prefer tomorrow
18:49:27TheLemonManpamaury: i can try answering your question
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18:49:35AlexPkugelp: Yeah, one for both
18:49:38AlexPOK
18:50:36AlexP15:00 or 18:00 UTC?
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18:50:36kugelpboth are fine, I have nothing planned for tomorrow
18:51:02AlexPlet's say 18:00 then
18:51:11AlexPstamp, done :)
18:51:24pamaurymy sbinfo tool generate one section per program header, but when I dump it with objdump, the first section always disappear, is there something special with the first section ?
18:51:29kugelpalright, cool :-)
18:54:15pamauryhum, apparently the first section is undefined
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18:57:37pamaurycool, works much better this way !)
18:59:14pamauryhum, but it still doesn't work on the device :(
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19:00:53[Saint]is there an "#if <foo>" that will cover RaaA?
19:01:21[Saint]I can't seem to find what I should be using just poking around in the source.
19:04:27pamauryTheSeven: it works ! By copying the init bits from the OF I have sdram working ! I need to commit a fix to sbinfo...
19:05:15CIA-87New commit by 03pamaury (r29714): sbinfo: fix section headers generation (first section is always undefined)
19:05:47TheSevenhuh? *what* works?
19:06:00pamaurysdram
19:06:13TheSevenon which target?
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19:06:34pamaurythe recovery mode doesn't do sdram initialization
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19:09:41Tornei assume it downloads teh code into iram?
19:10:12pamauryyeah, in the on-chip-ram
19:10:35pamaurywell, it can download it where your want actually
19:10:52pamaurybut if you write to sdram before init, it fails nicely of course
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19:35:07bluebrotherkugelp: do you have some more information about this infamous HTC bug? "some HTC phones with 2.1 are broken" is a bit ... terse
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19:44:41[Saint]Am I correct in thinking there's some commented out define somewhere to add shutdown to the main menu, or am I wasting my time on some fools quest looking for it?
19:45:31kugel[Saint]: idle poweroff not sufficient for you?
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19:46:05pixelmabluebrother: my phone is not an HTC one so I think it's unrelated or maybe two different things with the same symptoms or so
19:46:10gevaerts[Saint]: the Player has a shutdown menu item I think
19:46:18[Saint]waiting a minute is a PITA when I have to reboot to enable something.
19:46:40pixelmait has indeed
19:46:46[Saint]gevaerts: yeah, I can see that in root_menu.c
19:47:07gevaerts[Saint]: so that's where you start looking for your define :)
19:47:10[Saint]I thought there was some define somewhere to enable it on all targets, but I seem to be incorrect.
19:47:32kugel[Saint]: the reboot-to-enable stuff is possibly solved by the end of the summer :)
19:47:40kugel(hopefully)
19:48:17[Saint]so, what could I do to include RaaA in this statement? "#if CONFIG_KEYPAD == PLAYER_PAD"
19:48:17kugel[Saint]: try #ifdef APPLICATION
19:48:42[Saint]Aha, thanks.
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19:54:15AlexPCould any devs/mentors join #rockbox-gsoc if they haven't already and are interested
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19:57:25liquidAcidhi there. i just noticed that my rockboxed fuze-v1 won't be detected anymore as mass storage device by my system. the OF still works though - any ideas what could be wrong there?
19:59:38mishrahi AlexP
19:59:49AlexPmishra: Hi, good to see you
19:59:54AlexPHang on one moment
19:59:58mishraok
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20:01:46AlexPmishra: see PM
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20:16:23wodzpamury: Is there some fundamental reason for bulk transfer sending correctly only first 128 bytes? The endpoint reports 512 max transfer size
20:17:27pamauryfifo size perhaps ?
20:17:51pamauryis that a usb 2.0 controller ?
20:18:06wodzyes
20:19:00pamaurydo you know the fifo size of the controller ? (there is probably one)
20:19:05pamaurycan you configure it ?
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20:21:45pamauryhum, I have the datasheet, I can have a look by myself. I can't see another reason
20:21:52wodzby the fifo you mean internal transfer register? If so the length config register is 11bits so I assume 2048bytes
20:23:02pamauryyeah, all usb controllers have a fifo because they can't send directly from sdram, they need internal storage
20:23:19pamaurymanuals says 2640 x 32-bit space
20:23:58wodzyep, but I can't see how one can configure more than 2048bytes transfer
20:24:34pamauryIt's quite possible you can't change anything, in which cases this 128 byte limit is strange
20:27:25pamaurywait
20:27:51wodznow that's weird. The transfers are ok in buffer and are screwed up when memcopying the data
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20:28:38pamauryI remember on the e200 (are others), we found out that there was a 64 byte limit if the cpu was not boosted: the dma would be slow of something similar
20:29:14wodzthe cpu is running at full speed
20:29:52pamauryeverything is working at maximum speed ?
20:30:07pamaury(depending on socs, lots of clocks might be configurable)
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20:31:07wodzpamaury: well default is 200 (or I believe 240 in case of rk2705) for arm core, 100 (120) for AHB bus and 50 (60) for APB
20:31:54pamaurywell, if you say everything is at maximum speed, there is another problem :(
20:36:16pamaurywhen you say "The transfers are ok in buffer and are screwed up when memcopying the data", do you mean that if your read the data in the buffer it's ok but if you copy it after, it's garbage ?
20:36:20pamaurymight a caching probleùm
20:36:25pamaury*be
20:38:25wodzcaches are disabled I believe
20:38:55wodzbut worth checking
20:39:34pamaurycaches and buffer, well everything :)
20:39:37[Saint]cd ..
20:39:39[Saint]cd ..
20:39:44[Saint]oops
20:39:47[Saint]FAIL
20:39:52pamaurycd [Saint]
20:39:56pamaurycd [Saint] :)
20:40:21pamauryI'm not an ARM expert but we had problem on amsv2 because of caches, that was nasty
20:40:26[Saint]bash: No such file or directory
20:41:05wodzthere must be some subtle configuration problem because this loader worked before I killed nand bootloader and relay purely on rom
20:41:42pamaurymaybe the bootloader does some magic
20:41:48pamaurytweaking the sdram
20:41:58pamauryor some mysterious registers if there are any
20:42:10wodzno, I do ram init the same way as before
20:42:59pamaurydo you know if there are registers to tweak usb ?
20:43:17pamauryso general configuration bits, the manual is quite long, you know it better than me
20:43:19pamaury*some
20:43:25wodzhmm cache is at most 32kB so the problem should manifest earlier
20:44:45pamaurywell, the important thing is that the usb controller has its own dma engine, so it bypasses the arm core caches, etc
20:45:12pamaurybut if you disabled the cache, it should not be a problem
20:48:02pamaurydid you reverse engineer the nand bootloader (or even have the code ?)
20:48:39wodzI started the disassembly
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20:50:16pamaurythere is the DEV_PHYBUS16_8 bit in DEV_CTL, you can try it :)
20:50:42wodz:-)
20:50:55pamauryobviously you're sure the controller is running at high speed ?
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20:51:24pamaury(I'm asking the obvious I know)
20:52:38wodzI (almost) don't touch configuration of the controler and take what bootrom configured for me. But since I am able to transfer sdram init code and it works basic things are ok
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20:53:42wodzthe difference is that sdram init is transfered as control transfer and is limited to 2048 bytes total
20:54:03pamaurythat's a bootrom limitation ?
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20:55:03wodzdon't know but tested
20:55:24pamaury2048 isn't too much :)
20:55:58pamauryrecalls me of the 512 bytes limit for FAT on x86
20:56:41wodzfor transferring sdram init code is more than enough
20:57:26pamauryhow do you transfer code to sdram then ?
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20:59:14wodzfirst transfer is to iram
20:59:45*wodz facepalm
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21:00:21wodzplacement of the buffer in iram is the limitation of that control transfer
21:00:34saratogawhich device is this?
21:00:40wodzat least I understood something :-)
21:00:49wodzsaratoga: rockchip rk2705
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21:10:41wodzvictory!!!
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21:12:17wodzusb transfers were ok, I made mistake in code moving data from buffor to the final destination
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21:32:35kugelwodz: \o/
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22:25:19Luca_Shello everybody! today I had some time to retry bisecting my uSD problem with fuzev2, but I didn't have consistent results. that's strange. i'll try again :)
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22:35:55bertrikI haven't seen any other people reporting sd issues with 3.8.1, odd that you still have them.
22:36:25pixelma[16:57:05] <AlexP> We have dailies for a month IIRC <- nope, four days only (and old releases) :\
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22:39:16Luca_Sbertrik, i'm puzzled too. i'd think about a hardware problem, yet in the of works reliably :(
22:41:50AlexPpixelma: Oh, it used to be a month though?
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22:42:17pixelmayes, that's quite some time ago though
22:42:27AlexPok, thanks for letting me know :)
22:43:48pixelmaI found and still find 4 days a bit too few, I remember a situation where builds were broken and until noticed all completely working ones were "gone" and I couldn't recommend a daily (was just a bit more than 4 days, maybe 7 or 8)
22:45:48BagderI'm sure we can boost that
22:46:32pixelmawell, IIRC it was Zagor who decided to reduce it to what it is now and I thought he had a reason
22:47:02Bagderright, but given a reason I'm sure it can be discussed
22:47:15Bagderwe have disk space to spare
22:49:54*Bagder goes ahead and increases it to 28 days
22:49:55pixelmathe occasion I remember is also quite some time ago now, so memory is quite blurry and I don't know any of the details and when it was exactly
22:51:07pixelmamaybe 14 for a compromise? I won't complain about 28 though ;)
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22:51:54Bagderwe have 173G available now, we can do it
22:52:57pixelmanice, thanks :)
22:53:46pixelmait could also help for bug tracking
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22:57:52LeifFYI, I'm awake.
22:58:10Leifalthough I appear to be 3 minutes early...
22:58:27gevaertsDon't worry, we'll get to you soon :)
22:58:31Leifokay
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23:01:42AlexPLeif: PM
23:10:15kugelpLeif: good luck :-)
23:11:19Leifthanks
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23:41:28Luca_Sarrgh. a revision that this morning worked now doesn't work. i hate this uSD
23:42:02Luca_Si really need to test a different one.
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23:42:48sideralLuca_S: Probably makes sense. I remember you saying this SD is cursed ;)
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23:44:12Luca_Syep. unluckily i'm on a tight budget and have no room for another 8gb card right now. but i should have a 2gb one in my phone. i could try swapping them. let's check
23:45:54CIA-87New commit by 03sideral (r29715): Better dircache handling in simulator ...
23:45:56CIA-87New commit by 03sideral (r29716): Do not attempt to remove the temporary database twice during a database update.
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23:47:04Luca_Scool! the phone one is a class 4 8gb, let's swap the files on them and see.
23:49:21CIA-87r29715 build result: All green
23:53:07CIA-87r29716 build result: All green
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