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#rockbox log for 2011-04-26

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00:00:20tbruff13AlexP, if I have a friend who can help me is there any code that i can show him to make it easier like the rockbox code and if so where is it
00:00:48AlexPtbruff13: All the Rockbox code is in our SVN repository, at svn.rockbox.org
00:01:37linuxstbtbruff13: Which model do you have?
00:01:53AlexPIt can be browsed from http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/
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00:03:01AlexPlinuxstb: Coby something
00:03:37linuxstbAlexP: Yes, I read that much - there are about 50 models on their website...
00:03:46AlexPheh, OK :)
00:04:06tbruff13linuxstb, one sec
00:05:38tbruff13linuxstb, CobyMp610
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00:08:26saratogapop it open and see what chipset it uses, then write up a wiki page and see if anyone else who owns that player is interested in working on it
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00:13:28wodzbtw, in configure there is define for calmrisc cpu. Do we have any target with that?
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00:16:57saratogawodz: IIRC one of the ancient archos ports used that CPU, but it was abandoned many years ago
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00:18:40n1syeah, it only got half finished and was removed from the repo because it needed a lot of special casing that was just bitrotting and causing trouble
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00:22:04linuxstbtbruff13: There appears to be a firmware update on coby's website for that player, so in theory a Rockbox port is possible. But as saratoga says, the first thing to do is identify the main chips (including the CPU). But I would guess it's a CPU Rockbox doesn't yet run on, which will make a port very hard.
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00:23:53tbruff13linuxstb, honetly I am in high school right now and I plan to major in information tecnology as a programmer I just need a start it is very confusing for someone who is just starting out i will try and make a port happen, but first i must learn c and c++
00:25:53saratogayou're probably here a few years too early then
00:26:31saratogawow their firmware update tool is weird
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00:26:37saratogait looks more like a debugger then a firmware updated
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00:27:54saratogaoh haha it is the ALi Corp. debug tool
00:28:48tbruff13ok last question I need a complier for ubuntu at least help me out there so i can at least start learning c and c++
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00:29:34n1stbruff13: depends on what you want your code to run on but it's not really for this channel
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04:23:52jhMikeSLuca_S, pixelma: that bug exists in current SVN too (just confirmed in r29783). It can't really be fixed at the playback engine level.
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09:30:57JoshuaChangi'm now working on a simple dsp plugin, i have a basic question, does rockbox use signed int32 to cover float value from -1 to 1?
09:32:24JoshuaChangi mean, does the 7fffffff means 1.0, while ffffffff means -1.0 in dsp processing?
09:32:52JoshuaChangsorry, 0x80000001 means -1
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09:35:43n1sJoshuaChang: yes, typically we use fixed point representation
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09:42:09JoshuaChangi need to use "long fp16_log(int x)" function in fixedpoint.c, but i found it's input & output contains 16 fractional bits, does it mean i should shift the original int32 input to 16bit fractional, and shift the output back to int32?
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09:46:54n1sJoshuaChang: that could work if you don't need better precision, i don't know how this particular function works
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09:48:32JoshuaChangwell, thanks for the help, i'm trying to implement a pure int32 log function
09:53:05n1si think that the numbert of frac bits is the important thing
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10:50:03*mshathlonxp is wondering why almost all WPS are in english - is that because persons, who created them are native english speakers and/or too lazy to insert links to strings of currently used lng file?
10:51:16Bagderthere are other thinkable reasons too...
10:52:00mshathlonxplike?
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10:52:28Bagderlike them not knowing how to do it or them being done before it was possible
10:52:47Bagderor them being done by people who use english anyway, even though they're not native english speakers
10:52:50n1sor that not all strings might be available in translations
10:53:20*Bagder never used a translated rockbox but isn't a native english speaker
10:53:35n1si don't either
10:53:44mshathlonxpwhat's the point to do that?
10:53:57Bagderto do what?
10:54:16mshathlonxpto use english when it's possible to use native language
10:54:48Bagderseveral reasons, but the primary for me is that I'm used to and like the English terms
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10:55:36mshathlonxpthat goes for me as well, but I still translated and I'm using my translation
10:56:05n1syeah, mostly familiarity, i'd say
10:56:23BagderI just offered a few other reasons, I'm not saying any of them is necessarily wrong
10:56:41Bagderor right =)
10:56:49mshathlonxpbtw, why most of WPS don't show artwork which is as cover.jpg, apart from "cabbies"?
10:57:12Bagderbecause they think its useless?
10:57:19n1smshathlonxp: we can only speculate why people did what they did in their wps's
10:57:20Bagderyou should ask the WPS creators that
10:57:53mshathlonxpBagder yeah, useless, so they show "no cover art available"
10:57:57mshathlonxp:D
10:58:20Bagderthat sounds like a bug then
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11:40:50S_a_i_n_tI'm not sure it can be...
11:41:04S_a_i_n_tIf the WPS is coded to show art, it'll show it, if it's present.
11:41:35S_a_i_n_tunless the conditions of the WPS code are fucked up.
11:41:45S_a_i_n_terrr..."messed" up, rather.
11:43:10S_a_i_n_twithout seeing the code (and, I don't really want to...btw ;)), I can only speculate, but I would say that the .wps is broken rather than the core.
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11:53:36mshathlonxp[Saint] if it would be that way, there is a lot of broken wps :)
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11:59:36[Saint]mshathlonxp: that's correct. There are.
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12:00:06[Saint]about 80% of the wps on the themesite were batch converted and may/may not have errors.
12:01:02[Saint]a while ago, you may or may not remember, the theme syntax changed. it didn't just change a tiny bit, it changed dramatically and broke *every* theme made prior to that point.
12:02:24[Saint]So, the themesite was backed up, and branched, and was batch converted with a script that tried it's best to convert the old syntax to new, but there were certain things that this script just wasn't capable of doing, like putting things in their own viewport.
12:03:07[Saint]So, yes, you're right...there are a lot of broken themes...but if the theme authors don't care to update their themes, there's nothing we can do about it.
12:03:32[Saint]You're perfectly welcome to edit the theme yourself and upload a fixed version to the themesite.
12:07:29JoshuaChangi have a small question about the skin parser, if the font defined in the wps file couldn't be found, then the parser will give up the reset of the wps definition?
12:08:04[Saint]pardon?
12:08:27[Saint]If a font is called by a theme, and that font is not present, the theme will fail. If that's what you're asking.
12:09:19JoshuaChangis it possible to ignore the font and continue loading the rest of the theme?
12:11:31wodz|workI think I understand how sd controller on rk27xx work more or less. Now coding time :-)
12:11:43[Saint]Probably, but I'm not sure that would ever get added. I don't see it to be correct behaviour.
12:11:48[Saint]JoshuaChang: ^
12:12:02[Saint]If a part of a theme is missing, it should fail to load.
12:12:26[Saint]it should throw a splash or something more elegant than simply failing, but IMO failing is the correct action.
12:13:34JoshuaChangthen, i think it should at least show an error instead of write the debugf
12:14:02*[Saint] pokes JdGordon...
12:14:09JdGordonsup?
12:14:50[Saint]Talking about "correct" behaviour when a theme element is missing. ie. a font.
12:15:18[Saint]How easy/hard would it be to throw a splash list the item(s) missing?
12:15:25JdGordonnot gonna happen
12:15:26[Saint]*listing
12:15:46JdGordonwhy should a theme be considered unfinshed if it doesnt specify a font?
12:15:58TorneJdGordon: he means if the file is missing
12:16:09Tornenot if the theme doesn't have the setting
12:16:13JdGordonah, thats different
12:16:17[Saint]yeah, something got lost in the translation there...
12:16:19JdGordonnot so difficult
12:16:25JoshuaChangi've loaded many themes before, and they didn't throw any error in the real device, instead of lost cover atrs in the wps, i used to thought it was my device's fault
12:16:50mshathlonxp[Saint] a while ago I was using PSP or discman to play music on the move so I can't remember :)
12:17:00JoshuaChanguntil i build my own simulator~
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12:18:11[Saint]I personally don't believe that the theme should just load the items it can, instead of failing to load...as this could lead to all sorts of broken looking themes being displayed.
12:18:35[Saint]But I do however think we should be doing something more elegant than outright failing to apply them theme.
12:19:02[Saint]I assume the parser knows what's actually missing, so it could splash that to the screen?
12:19:50mshathlonxp[Saint] in order to upgrade one wps, I should upgrade 10-25 wps, right, there's no just one wps from which are all different resolution ones built? :)
12:19:55JoshuaChangthe lost fonts was defined in the wps file, not in the cfg file
12:20:33[Saint]JoshuaChang: that doesn't matter.
12:20:54[Saint]mshathlonxp: I'm not sure what you're asking there.
12:21:26JdGordon[Saint]: its not so simple to revert theme changes if they dont load
12:21:48*mshathlonxp looks in wps subfolder in source and sees 23 "cabbiev2" wps files
12:21:54mshathlonxpthat's what I mean
12:22:14JoshuaChangwell, forget it, i'm just complaining
12:22:15mshathlonxp[no no, there's nothing wrong with cabbiev2]
12:22:21[Saint]mshathlonxp: what's wrong with the cabbies?
12:22:24[Saint]ah.
12:22:43mshathlonxpI mean - if I would have to upgrade cabbiev2, I should upgrade all 23 files, right?
12:23:22[Saint]For your own use?
12:23:43mshathlonxpno, for all use
12:23:55mshathlonxpfor my own use I have fixed 320x240 cabbiev3
12:24:21[Saint]cabbiev3 isn't part of the source.
12:24:37mshathlonxpyes, I can see that
12:24:47[Saint]and if there's nothing wrong with cabbiev2, I'm not sure what you're saying needs changing.
12:25:11[Saint]we're pretty senstive about the look of the default theme ;)
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12:25:35mshathlonxpthere's nothing wrong with the default theme
12:25:49mshathlonxpand cabbiev2 provided three needed strings for cabbiev3
12:26:25mshathlonxpbut if cabbiev3 isn't part of the source, where is it then?
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12:26:52[Saint]It exists on the themesite.
12:43:46n1s[Saint]: we are crap about errormessages all around
12:46:19n1si guess mostly because of lazyness and the added bin/voice size of lot's of error messages
12:50:43[Saint]n1s: It could definitely be worse, I guess.
12:51:05[Saint]But them themes are particularly lacking in user feedback when something goes wrong.
12:51:09n1snot really sure it could :)
12:51:45[Saint]Oh, it could. There's at least a few helpful splashes when something is wrong ;)
12:51:54[Saint]We could remove those if you want :P
12:52:14n1salthough i suppose with some thought we could have a couple of more generic ones with not much cost like "file not fount: path/to/font/"
12:52:25n1scould also be used for other files that are not found
12:53:13n1sfound
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12:55:03Tornesplashing a full file path is kinda awkward on things with small screens
12:55:20[Saint]n1s: Well, if you want to add these things... ;)
12:55:31[Saint]And yes, I agree with Torne there.
12:56:20[Saint]perhaps not the whole path/filename. maybe just something that equates to "something's missing, it's a bitmap/font/blah/foo"
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16:36:21JdGordonbertrik: it probably isnt the best idea to use the exact iap names as they are in the pdf...
16:39:35pamaurywhy ?
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18:43:14bertrik[Saint], you have both a nano 2g and some accessory, right?
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19:03:40[Saint]I do indeed, why's that? I can't test anything right now, but I will be able to over the course of the coming day.
19:03:49[Saint]bertrik: ^
19:04:48bertrik[Saint], I wrote a patch to enable iap on the nano 2g (with some limitations)
19:05:01[Saint]it's on the tracker?
19:05:26bertriknot yet
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19:39:53j8048188quick question: is USB supposed to work on the e280v2?
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19:48:52saratogayes
19:49:40j8048188ok. is there a setting to have it work? I plug it in to a computer and it starts charging, but won't mount the fs.
19:49:52j8048188i've rtm and i see nothing applicable to it.
19:50:03saratogatheres no setting required
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19:51:50j8048188ok. Any suggestions?
19:52:01AlexPAre you holding menu (IIRC) when you insert it? If so it will charge
19:52:34AlexPi.e. don't hold a button
19:53:10j8048188no buttons are held.
19:53:23j8048188I have 2 seprate v2's and they both act the same.
19:53:25AlexPAnd RB is already running?
19:53:30j8048188yes
19:53:30AlexPWhat version of RB?
19:53:35j80481883.8.1
19:53:38j8048188and 3.8
19:53:42j8048188none of them work.
19:53:49j8048188my v1 mounts just fine.
19:54:00saratogaprobably some quirk with our USB driver and your computer then
19:54:01j8048188bootloader 2.0
19:54:28j8048188i've tried ~10 different computers and the same problem occurs.
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19:55:49j8048188Does anyone else have the problem, or just me?
19:56:06AlexPI haven't seen it reported
19:56:12AlexPBut that isn't conclusive
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19:56:58j8048188ok.
19:57:03j8048188thanks for all of your time.
19:57:51j8048188I love rockbox, just hate the database refreshes after i use it.
19:59:02j8048188is there just a way do disable the database refresh?
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20:38:02evilnick_Bj8048188: RB's database refresh is/should be backgrounded so why does this matter?
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20:47:24j8048188no, the refresh in the OF after i disconnect the USB cable.
20:48:57evilnick_BOh, well in that case, simply fill the player so that there's less than 15MB of space left and it won't refresh :)
20:49:06[Saint]I believe the (or a) "fix" for that is to fill up the player so that there's no room for the database to refresh.
20:49:13[Saint]snap. :P
20:55:17j8048188ok. Thanks for all the help.
20:55:24j8048188have a great day all!
20:55:27evilnick_BIIRC some of the OFs could be patched so that they didn't refresh
20:55:32evilnick_BBut not the later ones
20:55:42saratogathat was on the e200v1 IIRC
20:55:55evilnick_BCould well be :)
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21:06:31jhMikeSthat was it indeed and it barely works as it is
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21:23:07Jacob_LavoieWhere can i get a source of rockbox, or its games plugins?
21:23:25evilnick_BJacob_Lavoie: Have you checked the website? rockbox.org
21:24:14Jacob_Lavoieyes, i do not know exactly where it is, i went to daily builds, downloaded the zip for my player, and found it to be pre-built
21:24:34Jacob_Lavoiei may have just answered my question
21:25:17gevaertshm, the source isn't too easy to find indeed...
21:26:00Jacob_Lavoieyep, i forgot that i had to go to the manual install page and download the source archive
21:26:06gevaertsJacob_Lavoie: for the 3.8.1 release, see http://www.rockbox.org/download/byhand.cgi
21:26:21Jacob_Lavoiealready downloading :P
21:26:26gevaertsFor current builds, there's only the svn repository
21:26:58evilnick_BSorry, I thought that it was more clearly signposted
21:28:41Jacob_Lavoieits alright, should have read the fine print (user error)
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21:57:49lovasoaHi
21:58:45lovasoaWould someone be kind enough to review my latest patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12079#comment39410 ?
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22:11:53lovasoaNo one?
22:12:33lovasoaIs anyone online?
22:13:11lovasoaI'll try again later...
22:17:10evilnick_Blovasoa: It's a little optimistic to expect help that quickly!
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22:45:00wodz\o/ - got response from SD card on rockchip
22:46:13bertrikyay
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22:47:32wodzbertrik: what does flag mean in sd command transfer (amsv2) - does it assigns type of response expected?
22:48:07lovasoaHi
22:48:10bertrikyes
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22:48:55bertriksome commands don't result in a reponse, others send a standard short response (R1), others send a long response
22:49:08wodzbertrik: just a wild idea - wouldn't it be better to pair commands with expected response and eliminate flag?
22:49:13saratogawodz: whats the model of the rockchip player you're using?
22:49:36wodzsaratoga: you mean SoC or DAP?
22:49:41saratogathe DAP
22:49:50saratogajust curious if i can find one in the US
22:50:04wodzsaratoga: no name :-) but very similar to Ramos RM970
22:50:06bertrikwodz, maybe. But some commands seem to respond depending on the data sent to them (e.g. CMD7 SELECT/DESELECT)
22:50:38saratogahow compatible are similar players likely to be?
22:50:50bertrikThe idea of using flags to indicate the kind of response was likely taken from how its done in the linux kernel
22:52:32lovasoaHello! Would someone be kind enough to review my latest patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12079#comment39410 ?
22:52:37wodzsaratoga: Honestly don't know. Mine is build on newer version of SoC but still seems to share refference design.
22:53:05saratogalovasoa: did you get my PM before?
22:53:24wodzthe only difference I spotted so far is different GPIO for SD detect
22:54:15saratogasupporting that should be interesting
22:54:26lovasoaAbout the datasheets? Yes, I found the general datasheet, but not the one related to air mode...
22:54:28wodzbertrik: from what I read CMD7 response is R1b always (but I might be wrong)
22:55:06saratogaok was curious if you found them
22:55:31bertrikwodz, I'm still a bit confused about this command, when expecting a response on this command when the argument is 0, I get an error, both on AMSv1 and AMSv2
22:55:55bertrikit seems the linux sd/mmc does not expect a response for this command either when the argument is 0
22:56:53lovasoaBut the page on nuxx.net (based on retro-engineering) is very good too...
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22:59:16bertriklovasoa, I'll commit your patch tomorrow
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23:00:58lovasoaWow thanks thanks thanks!
23:01:18lovasoaAnd good night...
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23:19:38wodzbertrik: MCI_LONG_RESP is R3 or R6?
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23:30:54CIA-87New commit by 03Buschel (r29784): Submit FS #12081. Check validity of channel configuration, comment unneeded code that is too inflexible to work with MAX_CHANNELS = 2. Fixes compiler ...
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23:34:35CIA-87r29784 build result: All green
23:36:16wodzwhat is max SD card clock freq? 24MHz ?
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23:39:07saratoga25/50MHz
23:39:15saratogadepending on high speed mode
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23:41:28wodznice
23:45:01wodzand high speed mode is a property of card or controller?
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23:48:19saratogaIIRC the card reports what mode it supports, but i think all do high speed in practice
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