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#rockbox log for 2011-04-27

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00:58:09pixelmascorche: selina46i needs a ban in the forum
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01:01:55scorcheyeah - akismet canned those posts
01:02:50pixelmawell yeah, I usually follow the "recent posts" :\ but thanks
01:03:31pixelmaon the other hand it's possible to find out about false positives this way
01:03:54*scorche nods
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02:47:51Pyro1099-LaptopDoes anyone here use Rockbox on the Nokia N900, I need help on it.
02:48:55JdGordonjhMikeS: commit the rework already you damn chicken!
02:50:27Pyro1099-LaptopTwidelling Thumbs
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02:53:20jhMikeSJdGordon: (feeling like marty McFly) Who you calling chicken?
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04:59:43*jhMikeS poises his finger over the big, red commit button for FS #12069 (one keyclick away...last chance!) :)
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05:08:33CIA-87New commit by 03jethead71 (r29785): Commit FS #12069 - Playback rework - first stages. Gives as thorough as possible a treatment of codec management, track change and metadata logic as ...
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05:13:28CIA-87r29785 build result: 84 errors, 21 warnings (jethead71 committed)
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05:23:49CIA-87New commit by 03jethead71 (r29786): Hopefully fix red from r29785 - an #ifdef AB_REPEAT_ENABLE was left out.
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05:29:03CIA-87r29786 build result: All green
05:30:35*jhMikeS thinks it's odd that the M-Robe 500 has no RAM usage at all
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06:00:52CIA-87New commit by 03jethead71 (r29787): Get rid of a committed #define from kernel.h that didn't make the final cut. Put voice_wait in voice_thread.h where it ought.
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06:05:43CIA-87r29787 build result: All green
06:07:42jhMikeS:) ok, so now what with NSF?
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06:31:05JdGordonso uh.... playback is completly broken!
06:31:10JdGordonits all... umm... you suck!
06:31:13JdGordonscrew this hoax!
06:31:33*JdGordon cant take being a part of this anymore
06:34:24jhMikeSrrra...don't forget to take your medication
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06:43:01JdGordonhehe
06:43:21JdGordonjhMikeS: erm, just put svn build on nano and its frozen at the "scannig disk" splash...
06:43:27JdGordondoes it need a setting reset?
06:44:19jhMikeSpossibly
06:44:38jhMikeSisn't nano like that already?
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06:45:23JdGordonno?
06:45:56jhMikeSnot a thing touches dircache
06:48:25JdGordonyeah odd.. and dircache is disabled in the config
06:48:29JdGordonwierd
06:48:35JdGordonok, back to 3.8 i guess
06:49:56JdGordonworks on my video (apart from its disk is i tihnk dead), so yeah might not be related
06:51:59JdGordonoh nice... undefined instruction with 3.8.1
06:55:10JdGordonFS issues by the looks of it
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08:17:45BuscheljhMikeS: svn does not compile for sim under cygwin. I get the following error -> http://pastie.org/1838214
08:18:35BuscheljhMikeS: non-sim builds fine
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08:21:52JoshuaChangyes, there's a workaround with mingw
08:22:28Buschelhow?
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08:23:32JoshuaChanghttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulatorWindows
08:24:07JoshuaChangtry this, although i have some file not found warning, it compiles
08:24:29kugelBuschel: re #ifdef ROCKBOX: I was saying that because you comment out or #if 0 instead
08:24:31CIA-87New commit by 03bertrik (r29788): FS #12079 - Support for new commands in iap.c, by Ophir Lojkine ...
08:24:46kugelaccording to your argument you could have just deleted what we don't use
08:26:18Buschelyes, I wanted to delete it... but I forgot to alter the patch before submitting it. next time
08:28:32CIA-87r29788 build result: All green
08:31:26Buschelgotta go to work now, see you later
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09:01:49JdGordondoes the codec bufferring watermark take the disk spinup time into account at all?
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09:02:58JdGordonit would be great if it ciuld dynamicwlly et it vased on previous buffer times
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09:05:37JdGordonyeah, this makes sense... im getting half secind gaps mid track becsuse the disk takes 2s to spin up and the watermark is 1.7MB which is about 2s of flac
09:09:30LloreanJdGordon: I seem to remember asking about that a few years ago, and thought I was told it took the spinup time into account. But I was having a similar issue (with FLAC even)
09:11:07scorche1.7MB is about 2 seconds of flac? o_O
09:11:35JdGordon1000kpb/s
09:11:42JdGordonor have i missed a zero? :)
09:12:06JdGordon(thats with very rough rounding of course :) )
09:12:16Llorean1000 kbps is 125 kBps
09:12:38LloreanOr 8 seconds per MB.
09:12:57*JdGordon once again proves he sucks at maths
09:13:06Lloreanbits/bytes.
09:13:11JdGordonauto adding 0's is bad
09:13:17LloreanBecause we had to pick units that start with the same letter.
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09:13:25JdGordonanyway, im getting dropouts thanks to buffer underrun
09:13:46scorcheyeah - i am seeing more like 1411kbps, but of course this changes between levels and tracks - but as Llorean mentioned, this si bits, not bytes
09:14:11Lloreanscorche: Isn't 1411 16-bit PCM WAV?
09:14:24*Llorean shrugs
09:14:26*scorche shrugs
09:14:27BagderI've not studied that code for years, but I remember back in "the days" we certainly made it spinup-time aware
09:14:33LloreanBut I used to get buffer underruns all the time with FLAC on my H100
09:15:48*JdGordon wouldnt even have a clue where to start looking
09:19:04JdGordonyeah, looks like it does take spinup into account.. but reported not actual
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09:29:00LinusNJdGordon: reported? I haven't studied that code either, but when I added the spinup time compensation ages ago, it measured the spinup time, which I would like to call the "actual" spinup time.
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09:40:41JdGordSpinup time is apparently considered. So I'm not sure what is causing this other than the disk dieing
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09:42:18JdGordAnd ata spinup seems to account for actual time, not reported
09:43:50GodEaterI've lost track - where are we up to with our support for the iPod classic range?
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10:26:42wodz|workI am a bit lost in our storage layer defines. I have raw nand and sd slot - should I set CONFIG_STORAGE_MULTI?
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10:38:35linuxstbGodEater: I think the port itself works OK on all three generations of Classic, but there's no Rockbox bootloader (TheSeven has released his own via freemyipod.org), and IIUC, the installation process is a PITA and needs improving.
10:39:15GodEaterlinuxstb: that's pretty much the conclusion I came to when I got off my lazy arse and read up on it ;)
10:39:38wodz|workand not dualboot
10:41:30TheSevenwell, it's not terribly complicated any more, but you lose all data and there's no dualboot
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10:48:31LloreanI think both losing all data, and lacking dualboot, aren't too big of a deal as long as once it's on there you're unlikely to lose all data again.
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11:04:31pamaurywodz|work: I think you need to define CONFIG_STORAGE_MULTI so that the storage layer redirect to the good functions
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11:10:27linuxstbTheSeven: How is the port itself? Are there any major issues left?
11:10:40TheSevenrandom lockups every couple of hours
11:10:54TheSevenand on a small fraction of devices reproducible lockups when connecting USB
11:11:27linuxstbSo basically everything important is implemented, there are just some painful bugs to fix?
11:11:34TheSevenyep
11:11:37TheSevenbesides dualboot...
11:11:47linuxstbWe don't care about that ;)
11:12:14linuxstbBut that goes under the category of installation/bootloader IMO - it's separate to the port itself.
11:13:01LloreanDualboot is a "nice to have" not a "must have" right?
11:14:33TheSevenyeah, nevertheless it really bugs me that it doesn't work
11:15:10TheSeventhe OF will lock up while waiting for an I2C IRQ, which doesn't seem to trigger for some unknown reason
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11:16:38n1sTheSeven: i have quite a bit of spare time now so was thinking maybe i could look at the classic usb thing, any idea where to start?
11:16:58TheSevendo you have a device that shows this behavior?
11:17:21n1syeah, my classic freezes on usb connect
11:17:35TheSevenand usb in emcore doesn't work either?
11:17:44TheSeventhen you're affected by that problem...
11:18:33n1syeah
11:19:25n1ssince it works when booting rockbox through the dfu exploit i was thinking i could dump some state and compare to the setup we do
11:19:37TheSevenbooting umsboot through dfu fixes it, and it breaks on either the next powerdown, menu+select reset, or start of playback
11:20:07pamaurygiven how common is the "usb freeze" problem, we should have a way to force escape from the usb mode like pressing power for 2/3 seconds or whatever
11:20:27TheSevenpamaury: in this case it even seems to crash the kernel
11:23:25wodz|workwhat about watchdog?
11:23:26n1sTheSeven: does the classic charge in the emcore menu?
11:24:40n1sand does emcore do any setup that's different from rockbox?
11:27:35TheSevenn1s: yes, it does charge
11:27:50TheSevenand it certainly does some highlevel things different
11:27:57TheSeventhe lowlevel usb driver is very similar though
11:28:09pamauryTheSeven: still reverse engineering the clip+ bootrom too ?
11:28:24TheSevenyeah, along with other things currently
11:28:38TheSevendidn't yet find a was to get into this USB c++ mess
11:28:45pamauryhow large is it ?
11:29:10TheSeventhe rom? 128K IIRC
11:29:30pamauryfull of code ?
11:29:43TheSevenyes, almost
11:29:50pamaurydamn, that's a bunch of code
11:30:27pamauryyou are using ida ?
11:31:26TheSevenyes
11:32:45pamaurywould you mind sharing your work (bootrom + ida file) so I can have the look ? I have the OF but it's much larger, and I definitely want to fix this usb issue too
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12:06:06n1shmm, now after dfu booting usb doesn't conncetc but it doesn't lock up either dmesg prints usb 1-1.1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
12:09:14n1shmm, seems to have been one of my changes to the usb driver, it works after dfu now...
12:10:54n1sbuttons don't work though so i can't check the debug menu
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12:48:52n1sTheSeven: i tested setting the ldo2 voltage to 3000mV as that is what the debug screen shows after booting through dfu, however whne booting rockbox through dfu the scrollwheel and buttons don't work which indicates missing setup
12:49:18n1sdoes this happen on players where usb usually works too?
12:49:29n1soh, and the voltage change made no difference
12:51:16TheSeventhe clickwheel not working is a known issue, as the code initializing it will not be run in that case
12:52:12TheSeventhe only way to boot a working rockbox on your ipod will be booting an installer through dfu-umsboot
12:52:45TheSevenit won't do anything as everything is up to date (the "flashing" stage will just compare flash contents) and then boot into the boot menu, with USB still working
12:54:30n1saha, let me try that
12:56:22n1syep, works fine, it started the old er menu thing though
12:58:21n1si'll try to take a look at the emcore setup and see if i can find anything
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13:01:40n1sah, or the dfu mode itself makes some setup stuff that emcore doesn't
13:01:52TheSeventhat's what i'd assume
13:02:14n1sdid anyone dissassemble it?
13:02:36TheSeven(a difference between dfu + bootstub and emcoreldr)
13:03:11TheSevenyes, that bootrom has been disassembled
13:03:57n1scan i find it somewhere and do you think there could be diffeent versions?
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15:08:51n1shmm, iiuc we are doing things in the s3c6400 usb driver that the datasheet says are unsupported
15:12:35n1sah, no i misread
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15:47:07lovasoaHi !
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15:49:51lovasoaI got one question: when I press the "play" key on my iPod dock, it validates the selected menu item in rockbox (and starts playback when I am on the WPS), whereas in OF, it always starts playing music. Is it a bug or a feature ?
15:54:53dionoeathat sounds like a feature
15:55:10dionoeaI guess that it duplicates the ipod's play key behavior
15:55:15dionoea(in rockbox)
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15:57:40lovasoaBut in OF, I can start playing music even when I am not near my iPod, thanks to my dock IRC remote
15:58:24TorneThat doesn't sound right, no
15:58:26lovasoain rockbox, I have to go to my iPod, select the WPS, and only then I can start using my IR remote
15:58:31TorneIt should behave the same as pressing the play button on the ipod
15:58:43Tornenot the select button
15:59:02Tornewhich will not always start playback immediately, but it will go to the wps
15:59:20Torneand will either resume playback if playback was stopped, or just sit there being paused if it was paused (and then pressing it again will unpause)
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16:00:02dionoeaah right
16:00:37Tornethat's what it does if you press the actual play button on the ipod, no?
16:02:22lovasoaSo we should change the buttons mapped in apps/iap.c, to match the iPod OF behaviour ?
16:02:38AlexPTo match the Rockbox behaviour
16:03:13AlexPIf you press play on the dock it should act like pressing play on the ipod, which at the moment it doesn't sound like it does from your description :)
16:03:16dionoeaTorne: yes, it resumes playback. (at least it does on the ipod video. I guess that other ipods have the same key map in rockbox)
16:03:29dionoeaI just didn't have it near me to test so I kind of forgot :)
16:04:54lovasoaIn rockbox, it resumes playback only if I'm on the WPS (or if I'm over a file in the file manager, it starts playing it)
16:05:41dionoeaif you're in the menu it resumes playback too
16:06:48lovasoaNo! only if you're over the "now playing" item of the main menu...
16:08:31[Saint]Um...then your install is busted.
16:08:43[Saint]as dionoea describes the correct behaviour.
16:08:57lovasoaI got the latest svn build...
16:09:02[Saint]play should resume playback regardless of where you are in the menu
16:09:12lovasoaI don't think my install ist "busted"
16:09:33AlexPlovasoa: Which button are you calling play?
16:09:36[Saint]well, it's not behaving as intended...for whatever reason, I'd call that busted.
16:09:41[Saint]the real question is why.
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16:10:46lovasoaThe button I call "play" is the button with a little triangle , a slash, and two vertical triangles
16:11:07AlexPThe bottom one right, not the middle one?
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16:11:12[Saint]Something is wrong then...
16:11:21[Saint]it's working in my Colour and Nano
16:11:31AlexPAs what you are describing sounds like the select button
16:12:07lovasoathis button : http://www.clipartcollection.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/play-and-pause-button.jpg
16:12:17[Saint]I have svn head installed on my Color/Nanos, and it's behaving as intended.
16:12:29[Saint]perhaps you might want to pastebin your config.cfg
16:12:33AlexPWhat does the middle button do?
16:12:39AlexPAnd do you have any patches installed?
16:13:15lovasoaThe only patch I have installed is mine, and it has been integrated in svn this morning
16:13:30lovasoaYou can test the latest svn build...
16:13:36AlexPNo I can't
16:13:40AlexPI don't have a video
16:13:44AlexPI can try a sim though
16:13:55AlexPAnyway, what you are describing is not how it works
16:14:00AlexP*how it is meant to work
16:14:27AlexPSo either some bug has crept into the video keymap, or there is another issue
16:14:36lovasoaBut does it work on your iPod? If YES, what dock are you using ?
16:14:42AlexPI don't have an ipod
16:14:49AlexPOr a dock
16:15:01AlexPAnd we are talking about buttons on the ipod, forget the dock for now
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16:15:31lovasoaButtons on my ipod work perfectly, there is a misunderstanding!
16:15:38AlexPRight
16:15:47AlexPSo there we go
16:15:52[Saint]Aha.
16:16:11AlexPThis is what we said at the start, the dock button should work as it does on the ipod
16:16:16lovasoaI am talking about the play/pause button of my dock!
16:16:20AlexPBut it doesn't, so it needs changing
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16:16:42AlexPWe were all talking about the ipod
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16:20:40lovasoaThe play/pause button of my dock doesn't have the same behaviour as the one of the iPod.
16:20:53lovasoaIt seems to be a bug...
16:21:04AlexPyes, this what we have said
16:22:27lovasoaBut in apps/keymaps/keymap-ipod.c, there are specific actions defined for BUTTON_RC_PLAY, so it seems to be a feature too
16:23:00AlexPI think that is different
16:23:17AlexPBut I wouldn't swear to it
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16:23:35AlexPI'll shut up at this point and let someone who knows docks take over :)
16:23:48lovasoaOK
16:31:16Tornelovasoa: i have an ipod video, and the play/pause button takes me to the WPS, from virtually every screen
16:31:24Tornethere are a few places where it doesn't.
16:31:29Tornebut those are special cases
16:31:42Torneafaik a dock's play/pause should work the same
16:31:46Torneif not that sounds like a bug
16:32:33lovasoaYes, but in apps/keymaps/keymap-ipod.c, someone has defined different actions for remote buttons and local ones
16:32:44lovasoaI have the code under my eyes
16:33:04Torneyes, and?
16:33:06lovasoaSo I am wondereing why he did that...
16:33:09Tornei think it sounds like a bug ;)
16:33:18[Saint]The fact it was done deliberately doesn't mean it's not a bug ;)
16:33:32TorneOK, i can tell you why it's that way now I look
16:33:39lovasoaSomeone evil has commit rights ?
16:33:41TorneIt's that way so that you can use the full interface of rockbox with only the remote.
16:34:03lovasoaBut you can't !!!
16:34:17TorneYou should be able to.
16:34:22Torneit's mapped with that intention
16:34:27Torneplay is select
16:34:36Torneffwd/rewind are prev/next in menus
16:34:37lovasoait's silly !
16:34:59Torneyes, i understand you want it to be a set of dumb playback only controls
16:35:06Tornei would probably also want that if i had a remote/dock
16:35:19[Saint]that probably makes more sense...no?
16:35:20Tornebut currently it's configured to be a way to use the full rockbox ui without touching the player's buttons.
16:35:53tguinotyou can play pause with enter but you can't enter with play/pause
16:35:56lovasoaCould we had an option in preferences to conigure that ?
16:36:08tguinotthat's why it is like that I think
16:36:08TorneNot easily, keymaps don't work that way
16:36:09Tornethey are static.
16:36:12TorneYeah.
16:36:18TorneYou can do more with it this way
16:36:30Tornebut what you can't do is easily do it without looking at the screen (or having voicing turned on)
16:36:40Tornee.g. from across the room using the dock's IR remote.
16:36:45tguinotindeed
16:37:08TornePlayers wher the remote has, say, a four way joystick and other buttons (some of the irivers?) it amybe maybes sense
16:37:19Tornebecause they tend to have generic controls *and* dedicated play/pause/etc buttons
16:37:34Tornebut ipod accessories tend to have as few, or fewer buttons than the ipod does ;)
16:38:01Tornelovasoa: what actual buttons does your dock remote have?
16:38:15Tornei..e what they're labelled with, not what they do in rockbox
16:38:16[Saint]I think it might be beter for the remote to just mimic the iPod controls, since you're likely to be using it solely for playback anyway.
16:38:34[Saint]I can't imagine using the plugins (or, most of them) etc via a remote.
16:38:54lovasoaButtons that send commands to the iPod? I have play/pause and forward backward
16:39:03Tornejust those three?
16:39:42lovasoaI also have shuffle and repeat
16:40:05Tornepresumably they also control the ipod in teh OF
16:40:09Torneso just those five?
16:40:21lovasoabut I won't control file browsing or whatever with shuffle/ repeat button...
16:40:33TorneI'm not asking what you want to control or how
16:40:41Tornei'm asking literally what physical buttons exist on the remote
16:40:57Tornewhether they do anything useful, or anything at all, in rockbox right now or not.
16:41:16lovasoaI also have 6 numbered buttons, to record my favorite playlist
16:41:34lovasoa(this is the function I implemented in the patch of this morning
16:41:37lovasoa)
16:42:10linuxstbjhMikeS: Regarding your playback rework, do you have a plan to remove ci->configure, and have the playback engine take care of that?
16:42:15lovasoaThe other buttons don't send anything to the iPod...
16:42:22Tornewhat do you mean by "don't send anything"
16:43:21lovasoaThey use the dock's other functions (FM, AUX, ...). So they don't communicate with the iPod...
16:44:07Torneright. so if that's all the controls you've got, those five buttons with obvious playback labels and six numbers..
16:44:07lovasoaThey don't send anything to iap.c in rockbox and have no actions in the OF.
16:44:25Tornethen yeah. it seems much more sensible to have them be direct playback controls
16:44:26lovasoaYES
16:44:47Torneyou don't have to shout :)
16:44:57lovasoaBut some docks have more controls
16:45:05Torneyes, but most don't
16:45:15Tornemany have less.
16:45:26lovasoaOr at least, the iPod accessory protocol defines several buttons that I don't have
16:46:11lovasoaSo do I have permission to patch the keymap to match the OF one ?
16:50:41Tornewe don't really go in for permission around here :)
16:50:56Torneyou're welcome to write a patch and post it ;)
16:50:58lovasoaSo how do you go in ?
16:51:22TorneI think it's something of a break with other targets where we do make the entire device's functionality more or less accessible through the remote
16:51:48Tornebut i am *fairly8 sure that ipod accessories with a sufficiently full set of buttons to use the rockbox ui in anything resembling a natural way are rare
16:53:01jhMikeSlinuxstb: I hadn't thought much about it yet
16:53:22Tornelovasoa: well, we go in for broad consensus-building usually
16:53:44Tornewrite a patch that seems sensible (and ideally handles remotes with buttons yours doesn't have too)
16:53:47Tornepost it somewhere
16:54:00Torneand then maybe mail rockbox-dev and ask for opinions on whether it should work that way or ont
16:54:18Torneyou could do that in the other order if you preferred but it's generally easier to discuss including something that's already written
16:54:34jhMikeSlinuxstb: I'm not sure it should to be honest
16:54:46Tornei'm broadly in favour of changing it but i don't have any such accessories so my vote is somewhat arbitrary and maybe there are people who do use it the way it is now ;)
16:56:26lovasoaSo I'll write the patch and post it on FS...
16:57:50linuxstbjhMikeS: I _think_ that data should all be available in the id3 struct, populated by the metadata parser. So the codec shouldn't need to worry about it. But maybe that's not 100% true...
16:58:39linuxstbjhMikeS: Also, I don't know if you've noticed, but one of the Google Summer of Code projects is a standalone audio library based on the Rockbox codecs.
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17:01:10jhMikeSlinuxstb: 1) That could be overly restrictive since it's no problem if they change sample formats on the fly. 2) Indeed.
17:01:56jhMikeSs/since/and/
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17:23:42h3sp4wnHi, I just attempted to install rockbox onto a sensa clip v2 8GB (Using the stable windows installer everything seemed to go fine until I tried to switch it back on (after firmware upgrade appeared on the screen and seemed to work) Tried all the obvious things but it cannot get it to turn on. Is the best way from here pin shorting the red marked pins (already taken the front off - can desolder the battery if that might help) ?
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18:44:43lovasoaHi
18:46:35CIA-87New commit by 03jethead71 (r29790): Get NSF fixed up a bit and parse metadata in the core.
18:48:04lovasoadoes someone know whether there is an action (to add in a keymap) which allows to seek music playback outside of the wps context ?
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18:53:34[Saint]lovasoa: IIUC, no.
18:53:50lovasoaWhat does IIUC mean ?
18:54:02[Saint]"if I understand correctly"
18:54:06lovasoaOK
18:54:09tguinotif i understand correctly?
18:54:18tguinotwin
18:55:22jhMikeSwaaaarrrrnings?
18:56:12lovasoaSo, if I want the remote buttons (ie. on docks) to only affect the music playback, I'll have to force rockbox to show wps as soon as a remote button is pressed, IIUC ?
18:57:13[Saint]either that, or add support for full playback control outside of the .wps ;)
18:57:35[Saint]I'm sure our touch targets could use seeking in the .sbs too (all that's missing).
18:59:03[Saint]I don't personally think forcing into the .wps is the "right" fix here, but...I'm not sure on how complicated the *correct* fix would be.
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19:00:30lovasoaIt doesn't seem idiot that when a user press the "play" button of his dock, rockbox sohows the WPS ...
19:00:52jhMikeSthere absolutely should be a control layer at the very least and everything should talk to that
19:01:58[Saint]"[04:59] <lovasoa> It doesn't seem idiot that when a user press the "play" button of his dock, rockbox sohows the WPS ..." <−− but if this is not the behaviour of the device, it should not be the behaviour for the dock.
19:02:23[Saint]this is fine if it's your own code...if you want to get it committed, I'd say "don't break the mold"
19:03:13[Saint]there's no technical reason why it should force into the .wps other than "I don;t want to/can't code around it"
19:04:49pamauryI can't remember who asked me but I checked 24-bit vs 16-bit on the fuze+ screen and it makes a difference
19:05:43pamauryI can difference a strip of red and blue going from 0 to 240 in steps of 1 from the same strip but in steps of 8 (to emulate RGB565)
19:05:58pamauryBut I can't make a difference on the green part
19:06:39pamaurySo apparently it's really a 24-bit screen or something better than 16-bit
19:06:40lovasoaSaint: You're right. But is someone able to implement playback control actions to be mapped out there ?
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19:13:23pamaurywhat is the internal image format of rockbox ?
19:13:52jhMikeSraw data that depends on the target's fb_data definition
19:14:52pamauryso it's either RGB565 or YUV basically ?
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19:16:23bertrikI don't think any target uses YUV internally
19:18:53jhMikeSjust RGB. YUV is just for video
19:19:46pamauryI'm a bit puzzled, I believe that in reality 24-bit or not this screen is used in 18-bit mode
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19:23:45pamaurywhich would explain why I can't see the difference on green => it's RGB666
19:32:17jhMikeSx5 had 18-bit mode in retailos, but that's only used for YUV output in rockbox, the rest of the time it's 565
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19:37:17saratogai don't see much point in > 16 bit for anything but YUV anyway, so if you can get rgb565 maybe thats good enough until mpegplayer is working
19:37:42pamauryit shouldn't be a problem to get rgb565 working
19:37:46bertrikpamaury, I wouldn't worry about it too much yet
19:37:48pamauryI'm currently trying
19:37:59bertrikbut you're free to do so of course :)
19:38:42pamaurywell, I will need to write the basic display routines so if I can avoid any unnecessary code by letting the hardware do the job, that's a win
19:39:06saratogathat player supports YUV in hardware too right?
19:40:15pamauryit's unclear to me, the basic lcdif block can do rgb->yuv conversion when the display need yuv but it doesn't seem to support the converse :(
19:40:41saratogawhy would a display need YUV?
19:40:47saratogaLCDs are natively RGB
19:41:12pamauryfor tv output
19:41:23saratogaah right S video
19:41:32pamaury"he LCDIF also supports RGB to YCbCr 4:2:2 color space conversion. This is useful in the DVI mode
19:41:32pamaurysince the TV encoder requires input in YCbCr 4:2:2 format. "
19:41:49saratogawhere are you reading that?
19:42:04pamauryin the manual :)
19:42:37saratogafor that sigmatel chip?
19:42:42pamauryyes
19:42:52pamauryotherwise the imx233 has a pixel pipeline (except if it has been disable, I don't know) which can probably do yuv -> rgb conversion
19:42:54pamaury(and much more)
19:43:22low_lightpamaury: your lcd registers you use seem match those for the ILI9320, ILI9325, or ILI9331. You can google for the datasheets.
19:43:28pamaury(scale, rotate, blit, overlay)
19:43:53pamaurylow_light: thanks, I'll have a look right now :)
19:45:29[Saint]Hmmm...isn't one of those used in the Nano2G?
19:45:45[Saint]ILI9331 iirc.
19:46:26[Saint]Ah, oops. Nope.
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19:48:10pamaurylow_light: actually there seems to be two lcd "models"
19:48:17pamauryI've only implemented one
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19:51:25pamauryI need to do some test to check that it really matches
19:55:30pamaurywow, I would not have thought a LCD had so much parameters :-/
19:56:13low_lightpamaury: was just looking at your code and thought the registers 0x50-0x53 for writing looked familiar. [Saint] is right, the Nano2g has 2 lcd's, one being the ILI9320 with similar registers.
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19:58:03pamauryindeed it seems to match, thanks !
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20:00:59low_lightpixelma: thanks :)
20:03:03low_lightI'm itching for a new target :)
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21:18:15kugelgevaerts: I already played a bit with buflib (adding support for named allocs and printing stats about all current allocs)
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22:08:52dfkti just registered for the wiki, user name MartinSaegmueller - can i have access to add current FM presets for vienna, austria?
22:09:54bluebrotherdfkt: sure, gimme a second
22:10:03dfktthanks
22:10:26saratogai tried but the wiki is timing out for me, maybe bluebrother will have more luck
22:11:42bluebrotherdfkt: done
22:11:45dfktthank you
22:11:59*bluebrother wonders why some people / accounts don't have a wiki page
22:12:05bluebrotheroh, and promise not to spam ;-)
22:12:43dfktmuahahaha
22:13:05*bluebrother hurries to remove from list again
22:13:09bluebrother:)
22:13:09dfkt;)
22:13:24BuscheljhMikeS: your playback engine rework seems to have fixed FS #11495. I cannot reproduce it anymore :)
22:13:55*bluebrother wants more free time (and motivation) to start building up an fm presets page
22:15:34dfktsomething similar to the wps pages?
22:15:35jhMikeSBuschel: great!
22:19:33bluebrotherdoes the clip+ support charging while turned off?
22:20:51dfktit uses the stock firmware for charging when turned off, currently
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22:21:53bluebrotherforum admins: is it possible to make the rss feed also include the poster name?
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22:25:41saratogabluebrother: I think it has to be powered up (so the charger is running)
22:41:11BuscheljhMikeS: FS #10930 is also fixed with your rework. good job!
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23:14:01lovasoaHi
23:14:19lovasoacan someone help me fixing a bug in iap.c ?
23:15:42lovasoaI explain the problem: I have an iPod dock. With it, I can fast forward during music playback.
23:16:56lovasoaThe specification says that the dock must send a new pack each 500ms while a key is pressed on the dock.
23:17:29lovasoaAnd then, when all keys are released, it must send an other command to the iPod
23:18:39lovasoathe problem is that rockbox stop fast forwarding only when it receives the second command, and not when the dock stops sending new packets.
23:19:19lovasoaBut the dock sends the final packet only one or two seconds after all keys are released
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23:20:03lovasoaThat makes fast forwardind very unaccurate
23:20:55lovasoaSince key maps are not handledin iap.c, I can not wonder how to fix the bug
23:23:11lovasoaThis is an SOS
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23:41:44lovasoaI post the hole story again
23:41:45lovasoa<lovasoa> Hi
23:41:45lovasoa<lovasoa> can someone help me fixing a bug in iap.c ?
23:41:45DBUGEnqueued KICK lovasoa
23:41:45lovasoa<lovasoa> I explain the problem: I have an iPod dock. With it, I can fast forward during music playback.
23:41:45lovasoa<lovasoa> The specification says that the dock must send a new pack each 500ms while a key is pressed on the dock.
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23:41:45lovasoa<lovasoa> And then, when all keys are released, it must send an other command to the iPod
23:41:47lovasoa<lovasoa> the problem is that rockbox stop fast forwarding only when it receives the second command, and not when the dock stops sending new packets.
23:41:50lovasoa<lovasoa> But the dock sends the final packet only one or two seconds after all keys are released
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23:41:56lovasoa<lovasoa> That makes fast forwardind very unaccurate
23:41:58lovasoa<lovasoa> Since key maps are not handledin iap.c, I can not wonder how to fix the bug
23:42:02lovasoa<lovasoa> This is an SOS
23:42:28pamaurylovasoa: no answer means no one know or the people who know are not there
23:42:30bluebrotherlovasoa: please don't repeat questions in whole. There's likely nobody around that can help you
23:42:54lovasoasorry
23:43:27bluebrotherI did read your question but have no idea about the code in question
23:43:44lovasoaIt's in apps/iap.c
23:43:49bluebrother(though I want to look into IAP to figure why my dock isn't working with Rockbox :)
23:44:15lovasoaYour dock isn't working at all ?
23:44:29lovasoaAwesome ! Maybe we can change that !
23:44:56lovasoaDid you log the communications between your dock and rockbox ?
23:45:13bluebrotherwell, it works with the Apple firmware. Looking at the data send shows that it uses the basic serial commands
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23:45:40bluebrotherand that UART analyzer of the Open Logic Analyzer is really nice :)
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23:47:19lovasoaSo can you upload the data you intercepted ?
23:48:20bluebrotherwell, for now I've just dumped some and checked against the protocol as described in the IPL wiki copies around in the web
23:48:45bluebrotherhaven't had much time to look into that lately (plus I want to get a new Rockbox Utility release out soon)
23:49:21lovasoaSo just upload your dump and I'll look at it...
23:50:10bluebrotherthere is no dump I could upload (cat /dev/ttyUSB0 | xxd doesn't give me a file ;-)
23:51:11lovasoaIt's a pitty...
23:51:44bluebrotherbut believe me there is nothing special. It's just the commands as IPL described.
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23:52:01bluebrothermy guess is that Rockbox doesn't recognize the dock as dock.
23:53:40lovasoaYou mean that rockbox doesn't have a good serial driver on your device ?
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23:54:50bluebrotherno idea. AFAIK serial on Ipod Mini 2G should work. Haven't found the time to recheck.
23:55:13bluebrotherI've basically just added the hardware necessary to look into what's going on between device and dock. Nothing more yet.
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