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#rockbox log for 2011-05-17

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00:07:58BuscheljhMikeS: could you retest FS #12115 on your MCF5250 ?
00:08:38jhMikeSBuschel : sure
00:20:28jhMikeSposted
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00:21:49Buschelhmm, I expected more...
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00:23:51Buschelhowever... I will need to have some slepp now
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00:23:59BuscheljhMikeS: thank you for testing! :)
00:24:09jhMikeSBuschel: np. goodnight!
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01:05:46zenlunatici used cat to combine some vorbis files. they play fine on debian/rythmbox/totem, but rockbox 3.8 will not play them
01:08:05zenlunaticany ideas?
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02:24:16saratogazenlunatic: don't use cat to combine audio files
02:35:08jhMikeSanother thing that needs an "abort" button: "Preparing album artwork" >:[
02:35:44[Saint]jhMikeS: Howcome? It's actually pretty quick IMO
02:36:05[Saint]or, are you talking about starting it accidentally?
02:36:46[Saint]to be honest...I wasn't too happy with the descision to make pictureflow automatically update the AA.
02:37:29[Saint]but that's a side effect of it being "nice" and automatically updating added/removed albums.
02:37:51jhMikeSit looks like it's supposed to have one but it's not reacting (and there are _many, many_ files)
02:38:30jhMikeSyes, I started it accidentally too :)
02:38:55jhMikeSI wanted the context menu item adjacent to it: "bookmarks"
02:38:59[Saint]But, you're right. It does need an abort. I take it that this isn't the first time you've run pictureflow.
02:39:08jhMikeSnope
02:39:20jhMikeSperhaps on this device though
02:39:35[Saint]the first run, it'll just display the default image for everything iiuv.
02:39:45[Saint]*iiuc
02:40:04[Saint]the second run is where it'll auto-update the art cache
02:40:44jhMikeSbut I'm _stuck_ in it and I want to go "oops", back-out and create the bookmark :)
02:41:19zenlunaticsaratoga: what do you suggest instead
02:41:42saratogazenlunatic: to combine vorbis files? I have no idea
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02:42:02zenlunaticwhat about combining tracks on cd
02:42:18saratogawhy combine them at all?
02:42:46jhMikeSit's been like 10 minutes and it's 5% or so done...guess it's time to just hardware poweroff :D
02:42:47zenlunaticbecause its spoken word
02:43:10saratogawhy combine spoken word files?
02:44:47jhMikeSso it's a spoken sentence file?
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05:03:37JoshuaChangdoes it possible to build a simulator that no require for sdl.dll
05:04:15saratogaJoshuaChang: what are you trying to do?
05:05:08JoshuaChangevery time i build the simulator, i need to copy the sdl.dll to the build dir
05:06:02saratogawhen cross compiling for windows?
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05:06:44JoshuaChangyes
05:07:42saratogacan't you just add the dll to the windows path?
05:08:53saratogayeah just tried it with rasher's build and it works fine
05:09:16JoshuaChangwell, rasher's build will runing with random pops
05:09:44JoshuaChangseems he use bcc to compile the sim?
05:09:52saratogai don't understand
05:10:54saratogai'm saying a pretty good solution to needing SDL is to get SDL installed, not that you should use rasher's build
05:10:57saratogadoes that make sense?
05:11:01JoshuaChangrasher's build have random pops and clicks when playing music
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05:11:39JoshuaChangwell~
05:11:40krazykitJoshuaChang, and you're blaming SDL... why?
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05:12:18JoshuaChangno, i just want to static link all the dependency in executable
05:17:28saratogaah ok thought you just wanted a way to fix the the missing dll problem
05:17:40saratogai'm sure its possible, probably need to dig through the makefile
05:20:24JoshuaChangseems the makefile call the sdl config instead of just add "-l" option in LDFLAG?
05:20:57JoshuaChanggoogling...
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05:31:26TerencePlautusHello
05:32:24TerencePlautusAnyone here?
05:33:19EspreonYup.
05:34:15TerencePlautusHello
05:34:35Espreon'Ello.
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05:35:54JdGordonprotip... if you have a question ask it... this isnt a social channel
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05:40:09TerencePlautusSo, I have the Sony Walkman
05:40:20TerencePlautusAnd there literally isn't any interface for it
05:40:32TerencePlautusIt's a great player, but I have the use Media Player to load it with music
05:40:38TerencePlautusand the organisation ends up being all screwed up
05:40:55TerencePlautusRockbox doesn't seem to support it, do you know of any other program which does?
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06:56:26JoshuaChangfinally, i can get rid of sdl.dll
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08:02:18fml2Hello. There is a typo in the last commit to manual/rockbox_interface/main.tex: the "\" before "ActionStdUsbCharge{}" is missing.
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08:08:19pixelmaI guess that means "but I can't fix it right now"
08:08:32*pixelma neither though
08:08:51*bluebroth3r can do
08:10:21pixelmait may need an \opt though I haven't looked at the code in question at all
08:10:39pixelmaI have to leave for work now
08:11:31CIA-16New commit by 03bluebrother (r29893): Fix a typo that made a macro show up as text. Thanks to fml for noting.
08:11:53bluebroth3rfixed, the \ thing at least. Don't have time for looking into it further either.
08:15:28CIA-16r29893 build result: All green
08:15:36amiconnWhy am I getting a warning/ confirmation page when changing the DevConEuro2011 wiki page (already happened twice)?
08:15:50JdGordonI get that warning every time i try editing the wiki
08:15:57JdGordonmisconfiguration somewhere rprobably
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08:32:51pixelmahappens on every wiki edit for me too and heard about others as well
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13:42:34Torneforum admins: odmen01 appears to be setting up for later spam-via-sig or similar ;)
13:44:49CtcpIgnored 4 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
13:44:49*gevaerts bans
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13:47:46mshathlonxpwhere is that new "Rewind on Pause" string used?
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14:14:08n1smshathlonxp: in the rewind on pause setting
14:18:27mshathlonxpis that new option in playback settings?
14:23:36*mshathlonxp in next 24 hours will upload updated lithuanian language file and latvian language file with some changes and added missing string will follow after that
14:25:46n1ssigh, that commit also deprecated the old string in the wrong way
14:26:06n1sit seems trying to get people to do that is futile
14:26:54mshathlonxpto do what?
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14:27:09n1sdeprecate correctly
14:30:05n1sit's quite simple, just use the langtool script
14:30:54rasherDid we ever figure out what the deal was with quotes
14:31:22n1sthe deal?
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14:31:35rasherI forget what the exact question was.. something like, should it be set to "" or simply nothing
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14:33:18n1sif there was a string for a target feature, it should be set to "" (or "deprecated" (without quotes) but that is still buggy in genlang. if there is no string for a target feature (none), it should be left alone this last point seems difficult
14:33:59n1ssince replacing the whole thing with *: "" will insert the ID and empty string for targets that didn't have it before
14:34:09mshathlonxphow much work would involve to sort language files out by removing unneeded strings and putting everything releated together?
14:34:19AlexDerkachPlease someone add me to the WikiUsersGroup i want to add datashet to iriver
14:35:28n1smshathlonxp: just a lot of copy and pasting, the order of strings only matter for the english.lang file, the other generated .lng files uses that order regardelss of the order in their source files
14:35:44rashern1s: ah, so that's a bug with langtool then? Hm.
14:35:55AlexDerkach"Please someone add me to WikiUsersGroup. I have a datashet to iriver and want to publish it"
14:36:04n1srasher: it was but AFAIK i fixed that
14:36:10rasherAh :)
14:37:40n1sAlexDerkach: have you registered?
14:38:48gevaertsn1s: not seeing the name doesn't mean much these days
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14:40:38n1sgevaerts: users don't get a page with their username anymore?
14:41:02gevaertsn1s: they should, but something is broken, so they don't
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14:42:22*n1s remembers that he managed to break the WikiUsersGroup page the last time he edited it and locked out everyone. And so leaves this to other people :)
14:42:57gevaertsI'll do it
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17:56:53*[Saint] wonders why he gets two distinct haptic feedback events whenever RaaA shuts down now he's using 2.2
17:57:11[Saint](it never did this when the phone was running 2.1 and that's all that's changed)
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18:02:09[Saint]one singular short "buzz" as soon as the screen closes when I hit "Shut Down", then three very short "buzz" in very quick succession about 10~15 seconds afterwards.
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18:37:04[Saint]Or, in the "propper" way. As when I open the app drawer after shutting down there's a "(?)" icon imposed over the RaaA icon, as though it were running in the background still but as far as the task manager is concerned it's not running.
18:40:24[Saint]Hmmm...idle timeout does the same "weird baptic feedback event on shutdown" thing, but there's know icon left on the RaaA icon in the app drawer, so whatever is putting that icon there "knows" it's closed.
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21:52:15*Buschel needs a reviewer for the codecs/metadata manual changes in FS #12110
21:52:24Buschelany volunteers?
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21:58:05saratogaBuschel: (minor) \nopt{clipv1,c200v2} should probably be \nopt{clipv1,c200v2, m200v4} in case someone ever get around to making that (mostly working) port official
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21:59:16saratogaactually i'll update the patch myself
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22:00:44Buscheloh, I did not see that m200 was available as manual option
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22:03:44saratogado we really support embedded PNG?
22:04:22[Saint]I don't....*think* so.
22:04:47BuschelI remember I saw a FS entry, let me check
22:06:37Buschelmy fault, I've misread the
22:06:46Buschelcomment in FS #12009
22:06:46saratogaalso I think we shouldn't put the gapless info option for the various tag types, its misleading to say that Vorbis tags don't support gapless since we do support gapless vorbis files even if it doesn't use the tag to do it
22:08:10saratogaBuschel: updated
22:09:10Buschelregarding gapless -> should we state that vorbis like mpc (= codec specific solution)?
22:09:38[Saint]TheSeven was working with a really lightweight PNG implementation for emCORE that could probably be used for embedded AA with minimal effort.
22:10:31saratogaBuschel: i think gapless would need to be listed for each format
22:10:49saratogai think everything but ASF should be gapless
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22:10:57saratogaand the synthetic formats where its impossible
22:11:07Buschelok, then let me remove this from the second featureset table as well
22:12:15saratogadid you grab my patch?
22:12:45Buscheljust dl'ed it, will make my changes based on your v09
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22:14:22BuschelI will also remove the note regardin gapless support
22:16:17Buschelupdated
22:18:26Buschelmaybe we should set up a table with the main features (seek, resume, gapless, ...) and all codecs
22:19:23saratogalike this one: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SoundCodecs ?
22:20:13Buschelyes, but do we need the realtime stuff?
22:20:21saratogano i wouldn't bother
22:20:33saratogajust keep the notes about APE and AAC-HE
22:21:54Buschelwell, we would need to check the resume capability...
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22:28:45Buschelsaratoga: do you mind if I change the format of your vorbis comment? and: is it "larger than" or "larger then"?
22:31:05Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-05/0003.shtml
22:31:11*Bagder offers a tour down the memory lane
22:32:42gevaertsBagder: I second that suggestion!
22:33:16Bagderyay
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22:42:07saratogaBuschel: Buschel sure, and i'm not sure about than/then
22:42:25[7][Saint]: the downside of my PNG decoder is that it only supports 24bit and 32bit with alpha channel output
22:42:27saratogagoogle perfers than
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22:42:40gevaertsIt's "than"
22:42:43Buschelhehe, just did the same :)
22:43:08gevaertsUnless you want to say "first it's larger then it's smaller" :)
22:43:13[7]so it's probably a better idea to take the one from the image viewer, as it's not that much different apart from supporting all those native LCD pixel formats on the output side
22:43:21Buschelgevaerts: :)
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22:43:44[7]that's why mine is smaller :P
22:44:33Buschelsaratoga: I will submit then
22:50:28CIA-16New commit by 03Buschel (r29894): FS #12110: Rework of the audio format and metadata section in the manual. Add notes for several audio formats, correct the file extensions for several ...
22:54:11CIA-16r29894 build result: All green
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23:03:50Buschelsaratoga: shall we close FS #12087 (SPC metadata)?
23:04:18saratogaBuschel: yes I think so
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23:06:53Buschelsaratoga: done. what about FS #12103?
23:07:31saratogaprobably
23:07:42saratogapretty useless bug report
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23:25:47Buschelgood night
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