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#rockbox log for 2011-05-19

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01:00:27sideralSaint: Do you have a comment to FS #12107?
01:02:09sideralOr anyone else interested in the DB (Llorean perhaps)? I'd like to remove the track-number generation heuristic from database
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01:11:38Lloreansideral: I like removing the heuristic. I can't remember, you sort alphabetically by track name if no track number is present?
01:12:26[Saint]sideral: I'm all for it also, personally...but, I a: never saw the point in it at all, and b: have sanely tagged files.
01:12:32sideralLlorean: Right. In the tracker item I discuss the relative merits versus sorting by file name. Perhaps you have a comment after you've read through the item?
01:12:42[Saint]I'd like to be able to find the discussion around adding it in the first place.
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01:13:56Lloreansideral: I'd read the item when you first posted it, but I've been through a lot since then so just wanted to double check.
01:14:50LloreanI think the "path of least confusion" is sorting by whatever string is displayed to the user in the database list, by default, honestly
01:15:05LloreanIf you sort by anything other than what is actually displayed (except when an explicit sort is defined) users can mistake it for a bug.
01:15:19*[Saint] nods
01:15:20LloreanBut "sort by trackname by default" is sane enough to work for most people.
01:15:35sideralthought so as well
01:15:40*Llorean goes to dinner.
01:15:44[Saint]the path of least confusion is often also the path of least resistance
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01:16:01sideral:) thanks Llorean and Saint
01:23:14*[Saint] finds a file on his phone that RaaA *hates*!
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01:23:33[Saint]"/system/etc/poweron.snd"
01:25:00[Saint]sideral: You know a bit about the db and tagnavi no?
01:25:12[Saint]How can I go about removing <untagged>?
01:25:15sideralonly a bit :)
01:25:50[Saint]I use my own tagnavi_custom, but <untagged> annoys the flip out of me.
01:26:02[Saint]as it makes the db unusable for "insert all"
01:26:26[Saint](this is on RaaA where you'll get a bunch of files from the OS in there because you can't chose the db location)
01:26:27sideralSaint: you could define a %format that displayed the file name if there's no title
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01:27:51[Saint]sideral: I want to get rid of <all tracks>, <random>, and <untagged>.
01:27:52sideralSaint: you can define a DB root on RaaA AFAIK
01:28:05[Saint]If I pasted my tagnavi custom, could you have a nosey at it for me?
01:28:10[Saint](if you're not busy)
01:28:37[Saint]sideral: Nah, not as far as I'm aware you can't.
01:28:42sideralSaint: Not right now, need to go offline soon. But on another day?
01:28:48[Saint]if you can, the setting is well hidden.
01:28:58[Saint]sideral: Sure, no rsh.
01:29:01[Saint]*rush
01:29:29sideralI thought I saw some code to define a DB root. Maybe it was somewhere in the tracker... Don't remember now
01:29:52[Saint]Yeah, you can only define a filebrowser root as far as I'm aware.
01:30:05[Saint]but I'd love to be corrected. kugel: ^ ?
01:30:15sideralWould database.ignore and *unignore help you for now?
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01:30:55[Saint]sideral: Yes, that's my "fix"...but, it's not really a fix as it relies on root access.
01:31:40[Saint](you're not supposed to be able to view the filesystem, let alone add/remove files from it)
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01:32:57sideralYou're right, "/" seems to be hardcoded. But it seems simple to fix
01:33:42[Saint]if anyone is interested: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-4180a302.html is the file that really fucks up RaaA something chronic
01:34:10sideralas in make it crash?
01:34:14[Saint]the sound outputted (turn the volume *way* down) is a terrible modem/fax/white noise kinda sound.
01:34:56sideralI saw some discussion about removing <all tracks> and <random> as well somewhere (tracker?)
01:34:56[Saint]each time it's opened, the WPS gives it a different total track time too
01:35:02[Saint]usually around 30 mins
01:35:49[Saint]this (and other tracks that I just don't want played suck as notifications and ringtones) make the DB totally unusable on RaaA for me.
01:36:01[Saint](as I mostly always to "Insert All"
01:36:02[Saint])
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01:39:34sideralJdGordon: If you have a minute: You mentioned once that separate / partial DBs for removable media would be on the wish list. What exactly did you have in mind? Hiding / resurrecting tracks already kinda works when DB autoload/autoupdate is on...
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01:40:27JdGordonThe best way would be to store a seperate database on the external card and merge the cards into the ramDB on insert
01:41:05sideralhow would that be better than the status quo?
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01:43:43JdGordonim not sure it would?
01:44:06sideralit could be quite a bit faster than a rescan, OK
01:44:39sideralbut it would raise new problems with unmount / eject because it would write to the medium
01:45:43*[Saint] just wants a "Start Database at" setting for the context menu ;)
01:45:54[Saint]...then I can start actually using the DB on RaaA again ;)
01:46:16sideralSaint: which context menu?
01:46:47[Saint]sideral: Same as the one for the FIleborwser, the filebrowser context menu.
01:47:14[Saint]ideally, it would behave (and be placed) exactly the same as the implementation for the Fileborwser.
01:47:26sideralSounds doable
01:47:31[Saint]I'm sure if that were to appear, it would be committed immediately.
01:47:48[Saint](it's beyond my technical ability, though)
01:48:50sideralI've took a note and will get to it... eventually ;)
01:50:33[Saint]I didn't mean to bug you directly, but, I can't say I haven't noticed that you've been doing a reasonable amount of work in and around the database...so, it's your own fault really :P
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01:51:00sideralSo far people's response to me resolving their feature requests hasn't been all that great yet *cough* AlexP amiconn *cough* ;)
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01:53:24[Saint]well, that's not likely to help the situation...
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01:56:33sideralSaint: But don't lose faith, I'll get to it
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02:08:36phanboy4Is there an issue with .png cover arts currently or something?
02:09:06[Saint]define "issue".
02:09:35phanboy4Noticed some albums weren't displaying album art despite me having put it there.
02:09:42phanboy4All the ones that don't show are .pngs
02:09:51phanboy4need to fiddle with it some more.
02:09:54JdGordonwe dont support png yet do we?
02:10:16[Saint]is it embedded AA, or is there a singular file, multiple per track files, or?
02:10:30phanboy4Single cover.png or folder.png
02:10:35phanboy4not embedded
02:10:45[Saint]Oh, and yes...I believe JdGordon is correct.
02:10:48phanboy4Oh? Maybe you guys don't support png. I kinda thought you did though. Maybe I'm wrong
02:10:59phanboy4Well that would explain it :P
02:11:00[Saint]I don't think we do PNG AA embedded or not.
02:11:33[Saint]It should be fairly simple to add the ability to display it, though.
02:11:57[Saint]We can display PNG with imageviewer, so, there's obviously some related code in the core already.
02:12:10gevaerts[Saint]: that's not in the core
02:12:25[Saint]Ah, derp...it's a plugin, that's right.
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02:13:04phanboy4Most of the files out there are JPG, but apparently I do have some PNGs.
02:13:17phanboy4anyway that clears that up. I'll convert 'em, thanks guys.
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03:15:08*[Saint] gives a heartfelt thanks to anyone here that may have in part helped to push the download stats of his iLike Nano theme up to ~12K
03:15:44[Saint]Apparently some of you guys like it, so, I'm happy to have made it.
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10:17:57pondlifejhMikeS: If you get time, could you look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12118. Voice support is broken at the moment. I have a patch there that seems to fix it, but only have a sim to test it on - and I'm not certain I've put the PCM startup call in the right place.
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11:28:43timccchey, is there a disk tool for the ipod video?
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11:37:07linuxstbtimcc: To do what?
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11:39:25*gevaerts tells pondlife about the actual Android port thread :)
11:39:59pondlifeheh - I thought I was on it...
11:40:14gevaertsYou were on one of the unofficial build threads
11:40:20pondlifeAh, yes
11:40:31pondlifeWill move my post
11:41:27pondlifeErm, can we only move topics, not posts?
11:41:45Tornesplit the topic firfst
11:41:56Torneit's kinda weird ;)
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11:44:20pondlifeOK, think I got it right
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11:44:29linuxstbpondlife: IIRC, kugel is against that idea (using native widgets in RaaA). I would like them though (but not enough to do it...) But your problem just sounds fixable with a better (fat-fingered) theme for your device.
11:45:03pondlifeIn that case I fundamentally disagree with kugel ;)
11:45:38pondlifeAll apps should use as much native UI as possible, IMHO. Unless there's a compelling loss of functionality, I guess..
11:46:47linuxstbMe too ;) I think the issue is whether you regard all the UI customisation abilities of Rockbox as a feature RaaA needs to keep. Using native widgets would imply (to me at least) using the system theme.
11:47:55*B4gder favors native vs custom
11:48:01pondlifeSome customisation would be lost, but stuff like WPS and colours should survive. Gradient menu bar I can live without..
11:48:11linuxstbMaybe the future direction of RaaA could be something for devcon people to discuss?
11:48:24B4gderI believe it is already mentioned in the wiki
11:48:45pondlifeSounds like it - I'd entirely assumed native was universally desired.
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11:50:35linuxstbMaybe it's only desired by people not actually working on RaaA ;) I'm sure it won't be trivial.
11:52:34pondlifeIndeed - just my expectation, I guess. To be honest I don't think Rockbox will survive (for me) on Android - there are so many competitors that seem ahead in many ways. Voice support is the only killer feature I'm lacking...
11:53:33linuxstbHow are the competitors better? (and what are they?)
11:53:35pondlifeCertinly the ability to stream media over a WAN and do UPNP controller stuff is something you get very used to.
11:53:50pondlifeUPNPlay + foo_upnp does most of it for me
11:53:58pondlifeNeither sadly is Open.
11:54:12pondlifeThis is a bit OT though
11:54:26linuxstbNot if we're talking about what RaaA could do better.
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11:55:46B4gderI figure it should be possible to support streaming
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11:56:45pondlifeBasically the media stays at home (in the main). I will preload for travel where GPRS is all I generally get. The winning app will cache my UPNP database and "buffer" to local storage in the background, so slow/intermittent networks interfere as little as possible.
11:57:17B4gdernot only that, like hdd-based players you don't want to use the network interface all the time
11:58:09pondlifeTrue.
11:59:10pondlifeGuess some kind of pre-load list of playlists (including folders, naturally) could help. Could be a seperate app really, integrating into the RB database somehow?
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12:00:07pondlifeBut, integrated enough that I could seamlessly browse my entire collection live, should I need.
12:00:15gevaertsSo sync the database and built a 'second buffering' layer?
12:00:22gevaerts*build
12:01:12pondlifeThe UPNP model does all of the database querying on the server though, only sending a playlist to the client, IIUC.
12:01:42B4gderbut of course other kinds of streams, like shoutcast, will only deliver music in "real-time" and then you can't really buffer a lot locally
12:02:03pondlifeYes, the networked world needs thought all round.
12:02:40pondlifeBuffering is primarily a network resilience thing, not a HD-battery-saver
12:04:03pondlifeWonder what licence Cyberlink uses... http://www.cybergarage.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CyberLinkForC
12:05:18B4gderhttps://sourceforge.net/projects/clinkc/ says BSD
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12:23:11pondlifeHmm Original BSD (GPL-incompatible) or Modified BSD (might be ok)..?
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12:31:50linuxstbpondlife: Actual license text is here - http://clinkc.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/clinkc/trunk/COPYING?revision=639&view=markup - I think it's fine for us. But in any case, I think there are various uPNP libs out there.
12:33:00pondlifeThanks
12:34:13linuxstbBut IIUC, the first thing to do would be to implement http streaming support. uPNP is a layer on top of that.
12:40:28dfkti have an album encoded with FhG CBR, and of course it itsn't gapless. i fixed the encoder delay with foobar, which indeed makes it gapless in foobar and winamp. however, on rockbox it isn't gapless. i even tried much larger encoder delay values, but it always has gaps on rockbox. any ideas why this is so, or how i can fix this?
12:42:59JdGordon|I dont think RaaA is the correct way to add UPNP support...
12:43:08JdGordon|or native widgets
12:44:34JdGordon|really i think there shuold be an entirely new GUI put onto the playback engine once it is split out to a lib
12:50:00timccclinuxstb: to try and repair the hard drive
12:50:11timccctimccc: hey, is there a disk tool for the ipod video?
12:51:27pondlifeJdGordon|: Some of the UI (SBS/WPS, especially) ought to be kept in RaaA, no?
12:52:43JdGordon|why?
12:56:57[Saint]because losing themeing would SUCK
12:57:14[Saint]like, not just a little, but *bigtime suck*
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12:59:04pondlifeJdGordon|: It's one of the things Rockbox does better than the "competition"? Don't want to eject the baby with the bathwater...
12:59:32[Saint]afaik, no "competition" does this at all.
12:59:46sideraldfkt: take a look at FS #11891
12:59:52[Saint]themeing is one of Rockbox's truly awesome abilities.
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13:00:15[Saint]want it to look crap and sterile? go for it. want eye candy? go for it.
13:00:18[Saint]it's awesome.
13:00:19Zagor[Saint]: theming is totally unimportant to me
13:00:31[Saint]Zagor: See above ^
13:00:44[Saint]The awesomeness is the option.
13:00:59n1si agree with a totally new native ui, i don't care about theming either
13:01:52Zagor[Saint]: yeah I'm just pointing out there are some portion of users (and devs) who consider a native UI more important than theming
13:01:53n1sbut if playback et al. is separated into a lib, people can cook up whatever flavour they like, we don't really need to select one official versrion
13:03:30ZagorI must admit I'm a little pessimistic about getting that done well in a short gsoc project. but I'm willing to be proven wrong.
13:03:50[Saint]I guess it wouldn't be so bad if I'd actually finished putting together a nice RaaA default theme that serves more purpose than my own uses...
13:03:55*[Saint] has been busy.
13:04:03[Saint]I have the bulk of the work done, though.
13:04:22JdGordon|pondlife: imo rockbox's strength is codec support... i dont really care about the themeing
13:04:22[Saint]there is actually a very nice RaaA cabbie that I'd love to see make it to SVN I have floating around.
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13:05:05pondlifeJdGordon|: Rockbox has many strengths, I don't care for theming that much either, but recognise it's a reason people use it.
13:05:39JdGordon|sure, but anyone would be free to reimplement that also
13:06:23[Saint]if it were to be reimplemented and accepted, what's the point of dropping it? I'm trying to scroll around looking for that, but I don't see it.
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13:12:22[Saint]pondlife: what's your target resolution? I have a currently slightly busted (but still highly usable) RaaA touch cabbie done for 240x320 and 480x800 presently.
13:12:28[Saint]Better than nothin' ;)
13:12:35gevaertsUPNP shouldn't be added in an android-specific way if that can be avoided in a reasonable way I think
13:13:18dfktsideral, thanks, very interesting. i will try that patch
13:14:22pondlife480 x 800, but I couldn't work out the folder structure... I don't have a /sdcard folder..
13:14:57pondlifegevaerts: Nothing should be host/OS specific except UI
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13:15:20gevaertsYes, that's what I mean
13:16:07gevaertsBut Android native implies java, so starting on that path probably means being incompatible with other systems
13:20:30[Saint]pondlife: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-146464a9.html
13:20:49[Saint]The dir structure is all set up to just extract to /mnt/sdcard/
13:21:37[Saint]after that, chose the theme DEFAULT from the themes menu and you're away laughing, but it has a quirk in that my nice popup tabs are broken presently and I've had no time to fix it.
13:22:03[Saint]However, I added touch regions so that the theme is entirely usable without them.
13:22:13pondlife[Saint]: I have no /mnt/sdcard - /mnt/usbStorage ? or /mnt/rockbox ?
13:22:27pondlifeSorry, am 100% new to this
13:22:34[Saint]Oh...shitballs, your device has no sdcard?
13:22:43pondlifeNot that I can see
13:22:52Tornepondlife: the thing the android device exposes over USB is the sdcard or equivalent
13:22:57[Saint]Aha, I'd need to roll a build with it included then.
13:23:03[Saint]I'll bug you when it's done.
13:23:14pondlifeOK, so just the root, where I see /rockbox ?
13:23:18Tornepondlife: yes.
13:23:31[Saint]Or that, hmmm...I didn't know that. thanks torne.
13:23:39pondlifeWindows path is GT-I91000\Phone\rockbox
13:23:43Torne[Saint]: try not to confuse normal people who don't have rooted devices and don't see any other parts of their filesystems :)
13:24:19[Saint]Hm? my sd appeared as mnt/sdcard always.
13:24:52Torne[Saint]: i think you are confusing the host filesystem with the device :)
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13:25:00pondlifeMy rockbox folder includes only rocks.data, nvram.bin, config.cfg... is this the right place?
13:25:08[Saint]yes.
13:25:09linuxstbtimccc: There is nothing specific to an ipod video (unless you count itunes). Any disk repair tool should work.
13:25:41Tornepondlife: yes. themes on android work the same as themes on regular rockbox. the dir layout is the same for those files, it's just the bits of the binary that are elsewhere you can't see.
13:26:42[Saint]the only difference is "rockbox" vs. ".rockbox"
13:26:53pondlifeI'm never going to be able to select the theme through the menu - will edit config.cfg..
13:29:03pondlifeHmm, no
13:29:08pondlifestill on defaults
13:29:33pondlife(Also the splash screen Rockbox logo is gigantic - off screen..!)
13:30:01[Saint]this sounds...odd.
13:30:52[Saint]The splash screen I have no control over.
13:30:59[Saint]I can't break that with a theme.
13:31:31[Saint]if it's a random build off the wiki, who knows what's going on in there.
13:31:57pondlifeOK, have selected config.cfg and now have larger fonts, but still default WPS
13:32:30pondlifeSeems to be the wrong orientation - will have a look around
13:33:14[Saint]Oh...I see.
13:33:23[Saint]your device is actually 800x480?
13:33:35[Saint]as opposed to 480x800
13:34:01[Saint]because, that will seriously mess things up, yes.
13:34:06pondlifeYes
13:34:18pondlifeAny idea how I should stop playback ? ;)
13:35:01[Saint]use HW back to get to the home screen, then kill the task with the process manager?
13:35:08pondlifeYup
13:35:34pondlifeOK, will hunt out a 800x480 build
13:36:19pondlifeLater - got to work :/
13:36:30[Saint]You'd probably need to roll your own.
13:36:56[Saint]And I'm busy presently too, but in a bit I can roll you a build that just swaps the screen orientation.
13:37:22[Saint](fairly easy to achieve and Android is smart enough to change HW dpad around too if you have one)
13:38:43pondlifeNo dpad, Galaxy.
13:39:12*[Saint] has a very nice dpad on his Galaxy, so assumes pondlife means the S
13:39:20pondlifeAh, yes
13:39:26pondlifeS2 actually
13:39:35*[Saint] gets jealous :P
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15:14:23dfktsideral, awesome - FS #11891 indeed fixes the crappy FhG album. thanks a lot! :)
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15:17:05sideraldfkt: good to know! If you'd like to respond to any of the issues raised in the tracker item once you've done some testing, please feel free to do so :)
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15:18:52dfktwill do :)
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15:21:59*[Saint] is beginning to wonder what's keeping FS #11891 out of svn again...
15:22:20[Saint]I mean, I *know* why, but...in the same respect, I don't know why.
15:22:34[Saint]there's a lot of support for it in the tracker task.
15:22:47[Saint](there's a lot of negativity, too, though)
15:23:07[Saint]well...negativity isn't the right word there.
15:23:11gevaertsIt's still a broken idea!
15:23:12dfktif i understand it correctly, it only deals with bad mp3 encoders, it leaves proper lame untouched, as well as other codecs?
15:23:28gevaertsdfkt: no
15:23:31[Saint]dfkt: Yes, that's my understanding too.
15:23:43[Saint]those with "nicely" encoded files will so no difference.
15:23:48[Saint]those without, will.
15:24:12[Saint]*s/will so/will see/
15:24:16gevaertsIt deals with encoders that don't have a supported gap tag, which is *not* the same as "bad encoders"
15:24:56dfktso it deals with aac too, for example (since that isn't gapless by default)?
15:25:19gevaertssorry, s/encoders/mp3 encoders/
15:25:22dfktah
15:26:08dfktmy understanding is that anything besides lame is actually "bad", but i may be wrong there
15:27:32sideralI'd like to see this go in. It's an optional convenience feature for users with imperfect files.
15:27:45[Saint]New commit by [Saint]: Revert can of worms opened by prior discussion.
15:28:07dfktheh
15:28:10sideraldang
15:28:34dfkti see that's the other part of the discussion - if it should have a menu item to enable/disable, or if it should just be "always on"
15:28:38[Saint]I'll keep it to the tracker instead, I suspect this has been done to death here.
15:28:55dfktok
15:28:57sideralgood idea.
15:29:19pondlife[Saint]: FYI - my device is actually 480x800, but I'd installed an 800x480 build... I think
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15:50:17[Saint]pondlife: I'm doing a set of svn head RaaA builds now (with a bunch of various usability patches included)
15:51:05pondlifeOK - will test. Assume a standard portrait screen is 480x800, right (i.e. x co-ord first)?
15:54:40[Saint]Correct.
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16:40:13[Saint]pondlife: Sorry, got tied up. Here you go, you'll need to uninstall your previous RaaA as this one is signed by a different machine, so it won't be treated as an update.
16:40:14[Saint]http://www.datafilehost.com/download-f94bf23e.html
16:40:51[Saint]Everything is included in the .apk so all you need to do is install it and then apply the theme from the theme settings menu
16:41:48[Saint]if anyone else wants a 480X800 RaaA .apk, there it is ^
16:42:38[Saint](I can also package the source if required)
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17:03:30*pondlife wonders why Rockbox needs the "Phone Calls" ability on Android?
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17:05:32dionoeapondlife: probably to interrupt playback on incoming calls
17:06:39*[Saint] nods
17:06:39pondlifeMakes sense
17:06:51pondlife[Saint]: Thanks - looks a bit better ;)
17:06:59[Saint]No worries.
17:07:15[Saint]I have the "fat finger" problem myself ;)
17:07:27pondlifeAlthough I did find that the Debug/OS Stacks screen has no exit key.
17:08:57[Saint]if you press the top level list item, it will take you back one level.
17:09:25pondlifeNot in that screen it doesn't
17:09:40[Saint]It does on my handset.
17:10:17pondlifeAh, the top of the list, not the Main Menu heading
17:10:20pondlifeGotcha
17:10:33[Saint]so, you'd press the "Stack usage:" list item to get back.
17:10:38pondlifeShouldn't Main Menu do the obvious thing?
17:11:05[Saint]it does in screens that support .sbs touch items
17:11:17[Saint](btw, I'm glad you found that intuitive ;))
17:11:24pondlife:/
17:11:59[Saint]wait...what? that's a good thing! :D
17:12:18[Saint]Most people that try my theme I've had to explain where each and every touch item is.
17:12:57[Saint]It's possible to use this theme without any HW buttons, which the "real" default lacks to my understanding.
17:12:59pondlifeI've barely used it - there's lots more I could get confused with ;)
17:13:06[Saint]hehe
17:13:23pondlifeNo, the decault theme shouldn't assume hardware buttons
17:13:59[Saint]it *shouldn't*, no ;)
17:14:57pondlifeHoo - Panic - stack overflow ... viewpoert manager
17:15:03[Saint]the only thing that's "broken" in my theme is the pop-out tabs in the .wps, they break the track info text until you exit/re-enter the screen again.
17:15:10[Saint](but I'm working on that)
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17:15:46[Saint]what happened, or what was happening, when that overflow occured?
17:15:51[Saint]I've never seen that before.
17:17:04[Saint]re: the popout tabs, I added touch areas to the rest of the screen (pretty much everything on the .wps does *something*) so that it's entirely possible to never use them, due to their current brokenness)
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17:19:47pondlifeSorry , can't repro (yet)
17:20:02pondlifeHad just built the database and been prompted to reboot though
17:20:14pondlifeThen - instant panic and tiny font
17:20:37pondlifeNo, happened again
17:20:56pondlifeSeems to be transition from WPS to Database browser
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17:23:28[Saint]by doing? stopping playback...?
17:23:36[Saint]I can't reproduce that here, sorry.
17:23:43[Saint]that's annoying :/
17:24:02pondlifeNot able to repro here - happened twice in total
17:24:13[Saint]Hmmm.
17:24:43[Saint]how do you mean "transition from .wps to database"?
17:24:58[Saint]I can't offhand think of a way to do that other than stopping playback.
17:25:23pondlifeThe Cancel button (or whatever it's called)
17:27:54[Saint]Oh, right...HW Back
17:28:28[Saint]Hmmm, nah, can't manage it here.
17:29:22[Saint]Most of the iner workings of RaaA is a complete mystery to me ;) I guess there are some quirks when running the same piece of code on multiple different hardware types.
17:29:26[Saint]*inner
17:35:00pondlifeOK, try this (1) start playback from db (2) go back using cancel/back button (3) re-init database (4) select database (you'll see a count-up, then "reboot to enable" (5) go to WPS (6) press HW Back a few more times
17:35:48pondlifeEach time you try to return to the Database browser and it kicks you out with a "reboot to enable" splash it must be recursing?
17:37:25[Saint]Oh...nice one ;)
17:37:30[Saint]Great catch!
17:38:04[Saint]I suspect we need to prevent initing the database during playback...or, find out what the flying fuck is happening here.
17:38:25pondlifeNo init during playback is fine
17:38:50pondlifeE.g. I might well play using the file browser while the db inits.
17:38:53[Saint]coupled with the fact that a reboot is indeed likely needed to enable the db, preventing initing the db during playback from it seem sperfectly sane.
17:39:25pondlifeThis is a UI bug, not a db one, I'm fairly sure.
17:39:32pondlifeWill test in the sim too
17:39:42*[Saint] pings kugelp so he can look at this at some stage
17:41:01[Saint]I wonder why the "reboot to enable" splash prevents you from backing out of the .wps
17:43:54[Saint]I guess it wasn't found until now as I suspect that it's not a particularly common event that one should be re-initing the database whilst playing from it at the same time.
17:44:09[Saint]I would expect that most users only init the db once.
17:44:22[Saint](and then rely on autoupdate, like myself)
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17:51:27pondlifeI learnt way back not to trust update
17:51:44pondlifeI'm sure it's fine nowadays, but it used to be buggy - only an init would work 100%
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18:13:17[Saint]kugel: You probably saw it already, but pondlife discovered an interesting bug in RaaA (possibly Rockbox in general).
18:13:33pondlifeProbably in general
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20:12:32saratogadoes the manual say what sample rate the fuze uses for recording?
20:16:07pixelmahttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuze/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-15600010.3 not sure if this is correct for the Fuze but the manual tries to be accurate for each player (see the same chapter in the c200v1 manual where I know it's true)
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20:18:00saratogai don't think thats right
20:18:55saratogahmm maybe it is
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20:19:30pixelmaI know that the c200v1 and e200v1 have bad hardware so other sample rates aren't possible but didn't think the pure AMS Sansas suffered the same
20:22:16Buschelsaratoga: do you know if A52, ADX, ATRAC, Cook or Dialog telephony type support gapless playback?
20:22:28*Buschel still works on the manual extension
20:22:39saratogayou'd have to ask MT about things in the .RM container, but the rest do not
20:23:39Buschelok, I'll review Cook sources then
20:23:51BuschelI assume the lossless coders _all_ support gapless
20:24:03saratogathey should
20:24:22Buscheland I assume the synthetic codecs do not
20:30:25Buschelcook does not seem to have any gapless-like code
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20:34:12saratogamt says he didn't see anything about doing gapless for those formats, so theres probably no way to do it
20:34:16saratogaor at least no known way
20:34:30saratogai think atrac in oma is gapless, so theres probably a tag for it somewhere
20:34:41saratogarm is ancient so i doubt its gapless
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20:37:41Buschelthe atrac3 code *has* a member called "delay". the value is derived from rm's extradata buffer. sounds like something in the gapless direction, but it has a fix value and is not used anyway...
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21:45:25merbananI know abit about cook and atrac
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21:45:52merbananno way to get gap less out of it
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21:46:44merbananoma is id3 based so is id3 supports it then oma supports it
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22:13:18fmlHello. I would like to add the scrolling tag to some lines in the default radio WPS, since some go beyond the screen on my player and with the font I use. Any objections?
22:21:49CIA-16New commit by 03Buschel (r29899): Add a codec featureset overview (for now 'seek', 'resume' and 'gapless') to the manual. Additionally change table formatting and add a note to the SID ...
22:25:16Berematon the newest classic, setting the brightness to anything above 50 produces no effect
22:25:18CIA-16r29899 build result: All green
22:25:53Berematand by that I mean that all brightnesses 51-64 are the same as 50
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22:35:58bertrikBeremat, I could look into that if I knew how the backlight is controlled. I can't find in the code what PMU is used.
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23:30:05saratogawtachi: so the first step of your proposal is to work on some basic codec clean up
23:30:31saratogaas I remember the most obvious thing was some of the huffman/bitstream stuff
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23:31:52wtachiyeah, I've found a bunch of places that do endian conversion, etc.
23:33:19saratogalast year some of the ffmpeg bitstream stuff was consolidated
23:33:42saratogabut looking at teh codecs folder, liba52, wmavoice and flac still use their own
23:34:43saratogasee: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=27430
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23:35:27wtachiwhen you said on the ML that none of the codecs could be upgraded from upstream, I don't think that's quite true
23:35:43wtachiALAC, ASAP, Vorbis, and Wavpack might have useful upstreams
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23:36:22saratogausually we do most of the development on these decoders with only occasional upstream updates
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23:36:47saratogaso we'd never upgrade to a new release of a codec, but we might pull in some of their commits if they look useful
23:37:03wtachiright, and it's not like I'll make sweeping changes
23:37:18saratogayeah but don't be afraid to either
23:37:32saratogawe've already rewritten large parts of a number of codecs
23:38:01saratogaif something can be done better we should do it better, and then maybe submit the changes up stream, not stay with what upstream has
23:38:22wtachimakes sense
23:38:52saratogafor instance on wma, vorbis, aac, a52, cook, atrac and wmapro we through out the included mdct and in favor of one we wrote our selves (although inspired by the ffmpeg one)
23:38:54wtachiI guess the most basic cleanup is just to remove commented/unused code
23:39:09saratogayeah if you see some of that
23:39:22saratogai suppose it depends on what your'e interested in cleaning up
23:39:39wtachijust the easy stuff
23:39:40saratogawe can dig into some of the codecs, or just merge some of the common functions and move onto the codec library
23:39:55wtachiespecially it doesn't make sense to do anything complicated before the test suite is working
23:40:13saratogayeah true
23:40:23BuscheljhMikeS: can you again support me some measurements of FS #12215 (cook codec)?
23:41:04*Buschel missed at least one word in his last sentence...
23:41:25wtachiI have to go (chores and dinner)
23:41:31saratogaok
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23:46:17Zagorrasher: is your buildgraph page not running anymore, or is it a temporary problem? rasher.dk/rockbox/buildgraphs/graph.php?r=29884&debug">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/buildgraphs/graph.php?r=29884&debug
23:46:20jhMikeSBuschel: I suppose so
23:46:50rasherZagor: You tell me! That's your mysql server (for some values of your)
23:47:00Zagoroh, right :-)
23:47:29rasherI guess there's a non-zero chance that maybe my host is blocking outgoing mysql connections or something
23:47:36jhMikeSBuschel: same test file?
23:47:43Buschelyes
23:47:57saratogaZagor: did the manual build fail?
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23:48:46Zagorsaratoga: did it? the html manuals all say may 19
23:49:06saratogaZagor: the appendix is cutoff
23:49:26CIA-16New commit by 03Buschel (r29900): Add AAC to the manuals codec featureset table.
23:50:12Zagorsaratoga: which appendix, from which manual? I see them in some at least.
23:50:34saratogaZagor: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuze/rockbox-buildap2.html#x17-354000B
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23:51:01saratogahmm some of them are there though
23:51:14bluebrotherZagor: what do you think about enabling wiki markup for Flyspray?
23:51:45Buschelhmm, did r29899 somehow break the manual build?
23:52:32CIA-16r29900 build result: All green
23:53:02ZagorBuschel: no, manuals are not built on commit. only once/day.
23:54:10Buschelwell, in the last days I did some changes to the appendix. would be good to have some information about what has gone wrong.
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