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#rockbox log for 2011-05-20

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00:04:02rasherZagor: I get "ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'buildmaster.rockbox.org' (111)", so something seems to be wrong
00:04:43Zagoryeah the socket says 127.0.0.1:3306 here so it looks like we changed the config at some point
00:05:10ZagorI can't remember why or how though. it does feel a bit scary just opening up our mysql to the world :-)
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01:03:57pixelmabluebrother (Buschel): I wonder about the \tabularnewline Buschel is using instead of \\ in the table, doesn't look so easy to read
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01:22:44pixelmaand I hate non-stop mode (STOP=1 doesn't seem to work anymore)
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01:32:25pixelmaah, the \tabularnewline seems to be from earlier
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01:45:05pixelmathe manuals that fail seems to be ones that use sansaAMS and the mpio one for some reason though I can't see why yet
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07:50:03CIA-16New commit by 03pixelma (r29901): Manual, audio formats table: remove the \nopt{ipodnano2g} and pull the row and column separators out of the \opts to make the manual build again which ...
07:53:37CIA-16r29901 build result: All green
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08:06:04pixelmathe gigabeats opt could probably be dropped completely but I have to leave now
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08:09:08pixelmain this place I mean
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08:26:50Buschelpixelma: thanks for fixing the manual build. but now the iPod nano 2G manual contains both comments for APE. only the first one is relevant.
08:28:54Buschel\nopt{iponano2g} is required in this case. I will re-introduce it as your fix was related to newline and columns, not to the nopt-thingy...
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08:30:24CIA-16New commit by 03Buschel (r29902): Minor manual fix: iPod nano 2G is fast enough to decode ape -c3000.
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08:48:47pixelmaBuschel: using \nopt there affects all other swcodec manuals except the Nano2g one though, I think there is another solution to this. I didn't have the time to think it through completely but I think it is completely unnecessary as the comment will only appear for the targets in the \opt ...
08:49:33pixelmawhich is why I removed it
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08:52:26pixelmaah, the "ipod" opt, ok
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08:54:50pixelmaand now the \nopt only affects the already limited target list, looks like the correct order now
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13:25:52amazinga bit off topic, but imagine writing instructions to a spacecraft with only 68KB of memory and no real time clock as in Voyager 1 http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/faq.html no there's a challenge
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13:52:57[Saint]a *bit* offtopic?
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14:05:52krazykiti know i'd like rockbox on the voyager 1
14:06:51B4gderI'm still waiting for NASA to call us and ask for help
14:06:56gevaertsI believe the Vikings may have a rockbox. Not the Voyagers though
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14:54:05clmoeAlright, two questions
14:54:24clmoe1) how do I change the battery amp rating in rockbox?
14:55:21clmoe2) my voltages are fluctuating a lot, could it be the voltage regulator? I just installed a much larger battery and the life isn't quite stacking up, I have a feeling the regulator might have something to do with it
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15:51:34clmoehttps://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnnpTCiERQHLdHB6dUVxb1VwcUZPWWdJN0FXNzVCcWc&hl=en_US&authkey=CPKO284G
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15:57:41soapI don't see the great fluctuations you speak of. Where should I be looking?
15:57:53soapAnd what device is this?
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15:58:06soapclmoe,
15:58:17clmoeit's a clipp
15:58:37clmoethe normal battery doesn't jump up at all
15:58:54clmoehttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/pub/Main/SansaRuntime/battery_bench_Clip_8-22-10.txt
15:59:10clmoethis battery is comparatively all over the place
15:59:13soapI don't see great jumps...
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16:00:09soapIs that BB from your Clip with the stock battery or a different clip?
16:00:11clmoethe start is 842, 846, 844, 844, 845
16:00:34clmoethat's a different clip with a stock battery, just used it to show what the stock battery does
16:01:00clmoethe playtime on this is looking to be a lot lower than expected as well. That BB was with two 3600mah batteries
16:01:07clmoeparralell, obviously
16:01:10soaperr, no.
16:01:21soapTwo variables. Don't attribute the differences to the "stock" battery.
16:01:43clmoego look at the end of the log then
16:02:05soapbacklight turned on when player turned off.
16:02:06soap?
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16:02:48clmoenot sure, I just ran it overnight and plugged it in when I woke up
16:02:50soapthe deviations we're talking about are 0.004 volts.
16:03:08soap(except for the end where there was human interaction and thus backlight load)
16:03:12soaplooks completely sane.
16:03:19clmoeso what about the runtime then?
16:03:45soaplooks like a shitty third party fake chinese battery with a higher-than-normal internal resistance and thus more voltage drop under load than the stock one.
16:04:17clmoethat's probably it
16:04:27clmoewould that attribute to the runtime as well?
16:04:27soap:(
16:04:41soapyes, as the capacity number is pulled out of thin air.
16:05:34clmoecan I check the mah with a voltmeter by chance?
16:05:37clmoeor whatever they are called
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16:07:00clmoeman I'd have to dig out the wires to test it
16:07:09clmoeeverything's secured with hot glue
16:07:11soapbest measure is applying a fixed load and measuring the area under the curve.
16:07:12clmoe:d
16:07:26soapwell, the proof of the pudding is in the tasting.
16:07:41clmoe>under the curve
16:07:45soapDo you have reason to suspect the Clip itself?
16:07:48clmoedum terms?
16:07:57clmoeno, I think the stock battery got close to normal runtime
16:08:21soapthen I think you can safely live with the assumption the new battery is a piece of crap.
16:08:25clmoethe only part I suspect is the VR, and only because there is supposidly a much larger current going through it
16:08:31soap?
16:08:37soapWhat increased the current?
16:08:44clmoewell
16:08:46clmoethe amps
16:08:50clmoeI get my terms mixed up nshit
16:08:52soapno
16:08:58clmoethe capacity is higher, might be breaking something
16:09:14Torneyou can't measure amp-hours with a meter.
16:09:14soapYou put a (supposedly) larger fuel tank in your car. You are not burning more fuel per mile (more amps).
16:09:25Torneamps are not the same thing as amp-hours
16:09:27soapThis is the same number of amps, but for a longer period of time.
16:09:44clmoeah
16:09:57clmoeso I could guess the total amps hour from that bb then
16:10:02Torneyes.
16:10:11Torneish.
16:10:15soapif you knew the load. Does the clip measure the load?
16:10:20Torneonly approximately :)
16:10:24Tornesoap: i don't think so
16:10:31Torneat least not that we display
16:11:22soapso he can't measure the capacity, eh?
16:11:27clmoeThere is something that says 5mv
16:11:35clmoethat's probably not it
16:11:42soapvoltage != amperage
16:11:50clmoerough math puts the total runtime at 32 hours or so
16:11:58clmoewhich means that the capacity is close to 600mah?
16:12:00Tornesoap: okay i guess not :)
16:12:12Torneclmoe: you can't work out the capacity without knowing both the duration and the current draw
16:12:32Torneso unless the clip displays that somewhere (which would be a number in amps or milliamps) or you measure it yourself with a meter, no
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16:13:00clmoewell I just took what the total runtime would be based on how quickly it drained during that BB, and compared that time to a 15 hour average runtime for the normal battery
16:13:03TorneYou have only one known value and two unknowns :)
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16:13:12TorneRight, but you don't know if the current draw is the same or not
16:13:15edhelashye everyone :)
16:13:30clmoehow could the draw be different if the situation is the same?
16:13:39clmoeother than my theory that it's the VRs fault
16:13:51clmoewhich isn't looking good
16:14:14edhelasi see that there is a patch on rockbox website to enable piezo in ipods devices (i've got an ipod mini) but it didn't works on recent releases (3.8.1)
16:15:08clmoeI mean, the current draw might be different based on what music is being played, but even then it should still be a good -rough- guess
16:15:39clmoeenough to tell that these batteries are rated something like ten times over what they are actually doing
16:15:52TorneWell, did you ahve identical settings on the devices?
16:15:59Tornealso, clips are not all identical hardware, iirc
16:16:06Tornethere are variations in type of screen/etc
16:16:11Tornewhich might draw different amounts of current
16:16:13soapclip and 600mah sounds unresonable. My ipod 5G 60GB has a 600mah battery.
16:16:28Tornesoap: the ipod video batteries are actually pretty small physically
16:16:36soapthat's what she said
16:16:39Tornehaha
16:16:48edhelasis there something in future release who speak about enabling internal speaker (piezo) sounds ?
16:16:50TorneWell, I agree that it's not super likely
16:16:54clmoethe screen was off during almost all of the test though
16:17:01clmoeand the stock battery in the clip is 290mah
16:17:39TorneRight. it's *fairly* unlikely that any replacement battery is double the capacity unless it's noticably physically larger somehow
16:17:52clmoeoh these things are huge
16:17:59TorneYes, but compared to the original battery, i mean
16:18:00clmoetwo 18650 cells
16:18:09TorneIs it twice as thick as the original? :)
16:18:17Tornebecause if not there's not a lot of chance of it being twice the capacity.
16:18:20clmoethe batteries are 1.5 times the size of the clip
16:18:26clmoeexternal mount
16:18:29TorneOh.
16:18:36soapoh wow.
16:18:37clmoethey are big enought o be 3600mah batteries
16:18:40edhelasi've found nothing on the wiki
16:18:47soap3600? No way.
16:19:04Torne3600mAh batteries are, like, 1.5" square and 0.75" thick
16:19:07soap3600 would be the size of 2 zippo lighters.
16:19:13clmoe18650s are like what an "A" size battery would be. Another step bigger than "AA"
16:19:41clmoeI'm wondering if there are any 18650s that -aren't- cheap chinese ones
16:19:46soap(yes, that is a new unit of volume)
16:19:50TorneOh right, i see what you mean now
16:20:02Torneyes, 18650s might well be up to 2400mAh *each*
16:20:06Tornethey are pretty big
16:20:07soap1.5 times the size of the clip /each/?
16:20:12clmoeboth togeather
16:20:13Tornesoap: They are huge, really
16:20:21clmoeyeah lemme get a pic real quick
16:20:26clmoeI need to take a showah soon though
16:20:45Tornesoap: they're the kind of cell lots of laptop batteries are made of
16:21:05Tornesoap: so yes, even one is probably at *least* the volume of the entire clip, but in a cylinder shape ;)
16:21:32TorneBut yes, if you bought those on the internet somewhere they are cheap shitty chinese cells which will struggle to have more than a tiny fraction of the noted capacity
16:21:38Tornebecause of the market for lemons ;)
16:21:49clmoeoh I know they are shitty chinese ones
16:21:57clmoeI paid like, 15$ for them
16:21:59soapok, so we've concluded the capacity claims are within the realm of reason. Still think the voltage fluctuations as shown in the google doc is sane and there is not an overwhelming reason to trust the capacity numbers given.
16:22:03clmoedidn't matter if they were
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16:26:35clmoe>refreshing your media
16:26:37clmoelittle POS
16:27:56clmoealright I got some sloppy pictures of my sloppy battery job
16:28:16clmoenow that I look at it, the clip really is small
16:28:17clmoehttp://i.imgur.com/tVfna.jpg
16:28:28clmoehttp://i.imgur.com/DyR2X.jpg
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16:28:46soapthe world would be a better place if more cameras could macro focus.
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16:29:42clmoeI've got some shitty shit kodak
16:29:47clmoeit's terrible at everything
16:29:52clmoebut you get the point
16:29:55clmoebatteries are fuckin huge
16:30:23clmoeand everything's covered in hot glue
16:30:31clmoeand I've got to tear all of it down when I get new batteries
16:30:32clmoe:(
16:30:40clmoehttp://www.batteryjunction.com/2600pcb-18650.html these look good?
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16:34:27edhelasnothing about the internal speaker in ipod devices ?
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16:41:58[Saint]Are the manuals broken?
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16:42:43[Saint]I can't seem to find the "Theme Tags" section in the Cowon D2 manual
16:43:12[Saint]so either it was removed (which, would be an odd descision), or the manual is broken.
16:43:34*[Saint] pings pixelma about this, for lack of knowing who else to.
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16:43:53gevaertsThere's something wrong with them, yes
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16:44:09sideralI think there was breakage & fixing, perhaps they just didn't get rebuilt again yet?
16:44:25[Saint]Ah, well...thanks for confirming that gevaerts
16:44:43[Saint]O, yes, good point sideral
16:44:52[Saint]perhaps they need to be repopulated yet.
16:45:34sideralpamaury: I've tested the AMSv2 USB PIO driver with a vanilla SVN checkout, and got the same results :(
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16:46:28clmoeSo, does anyone know a good place to buy batteries from? I'll probably go for 2400-2600mah cells this time
16:46:44clmoealso, would I be able to use internal VRs instead of the clip VR?
16:46:51clmoesome 18650s come with internal VRs
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16:48:05[Saint]Hmmmmm....none of the skin variable syntax is in the Theme Tag section.
16:48:47*[Saint] wants to "Grrrrrr" at a certain skin engine dev, but gives him some grace for the now due to RL stuff ;)
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16:51:08[Saint]Oh, right....it's in the CustomWPS wiki, but not the manuals, it seems.
16:54:47Torneedhelas: search on flyspray (the bug tracker)
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16:54:55Torneedhelas: there's a patch which implements it, not yet committed.
16:55:19edhelasTorne: yep i try it but the 3.8.1 sourcecode can accept this patch
16:55:27edhelas*cant
16:55:39Tornethe patch is not going ot be based on a release branch, try it on the current head
16:55:46Torneif not then it's just outdated and you'll have to rebaseline it
16:55:52Torneor wait for someone else to do so
16:55:54[Saint]Yeah, it's out of sync, I've been meaning to get around to it.
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16:56:03[Saint]it's not going to apply in it's present state.
16:56:06Tornethere ya go. ;)
16:56:25edhelasokay
16:56:40[Saint]Unfortunately, I have a life ;)
16:56:43Torneis that just not committed yet because nobody is that bothered, or what? :)
16:56:51[Saint]It gets in the way of things I want to do :P
16:56:53Torneare there outstanding issues?
16:57:45[Saint]Torne: Y'know....I honestly think it *could* be comitted. AFAIK the only issue is the menu for it.
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16:58:11[Saint]Some people believed it should be integrated with the keyclick setting menu, and not seperate from it.
16:58:17edhelasyep
16:58:38[Saint]I don't personally agree with that...but, "meh".
16:58:45[Saint]I'd like to see it go in.
16:59:02[Saint]it's kinda the "last thing missing" from the iPod experience on Rockbox.
16:59:15[Saint](well, some targets miss more than others)
16:59:25clmoeSo, when I order some more batteries
16:59:35clmoethey probably won't come in the little plastic wrap thing mine did
16:59:46clmoeanyone have ideas as to how to mount the leads?
16:59:56edhelas[Saint]: i like the "click" sound on the original firmware :)
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17:00:31clmoefor this I just got a little space under the plastic and shoved the wires in there, so the plastic holds them on the leads
17:01:00[Saint]edhelas: Yes, I want to play with the frequency used for the "click" in that patch. It doesn't sound quite right.
17:01:14edhelasokay :)
17:01:21[Saint]I don't want it to immitate the OF exactly, but, to me it sounds a little weird presently.
17:01:42[Saint]Oh, heh...there's me forgetting you've probably not heard it functioning ;)
17:01:44edhelasyou can stick a microphone and record the original sound to see what frequences it has ^^
17:02:18TorneOK so this doesn't in fact sound like it's done ;)
17:02:32Torneif we're going to commit it, we might as well commit it making the "right" noise ;)
17:03:09edhelasokay :) it will be good
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17:03:28[Saint]Torne: Oh, the sound is good. I'm just being a picky bastard ;)
17:03:40Tornethat's fine though :)
17:03:43[Saint]It sounds fine really, just..."different" if you're used to the OF.
17:03:46Torneyou're one of the people that seems to care about the silly noise
17:03:51edhelasit can be commited soon ?
17:03:54Torneso i suggest you make it make a noise you like :)
17:04:02Tornebecause then at least *one* person will be happy ;)
17:04:08[Saint]hahahah!
17:04:09edhelas:D
17:04:21gevaerts[Saint]: can't you make the noise configurable?
17:04:23*gevaerts hides
17:04:57[Saint]I have a WIP floating around here somewhere that attempted that...
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17:05:12[Saint]I didn't get the range quite right, though.
17:05:27Tornehah
17:05:29Torneyeah don't do that.
17:05:41edhelasI'm sure AppleĀ© has deposed a patent in this "click" sound :D
17:05:53edhelas*on
17:06:17Torneedhelas: don't say that!
17:06:20Torneand definately don't check.
17:06:25Torneknowing about patents is bad.
17:06:28Torne:)
17:06:56[Saint]It wouldn;t surprise me if they had some BS "blanket/cover-all patent" on "Interface makes audible response on selection of UI element" or something equally vague.
17:07:07edhelas:p
17:07:16Torneseriously discussing patents on stuff you are implementing is just universally bad
17:07:30Torneit's much safer to just ignore their hypothetical existence
17:07:32[Saint]like bringing bananas on a boat.
17:07:43Tornedue ti wilful infringement clauses etc
17:08:36clmoehttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001JDRPXM/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=159NP3N224B0RXM2H891&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846 gosh that's a big link
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17:09:13clmoeI guess I'll go ahead and order two of those
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17:10:06edhelas[Saint]: you will commit that patch in the niglty built or on some branche ?
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17:10:22Torneedhelas: neither :)
17:10:34Tornenew features get committed to trunk, which is built constantly
17:10:49[Saint]I won't personally, as there's more than a few people who'd think it wasn't in the best interests of the project for me to have direct commit access ;)
17:10:49Tornethe nightly builds are largely irrelevant
17:10:56Torne(why do we have them?)
17:11:24Tornei might commit it, if you folks who care come back and tell me you're happy with it and i don't see any pressing reason not to ;)
17:12:20[Saint]I pretty much just have to wedge it back into the tree. People who really care about it one way or another can sort out how the menu should be after the fact.
17:12:49Tornechange the noise, if you want a different noise :p
17:12:57Tornewe're not having that configurable, it's a waste of space.
17:13:06Torneremind me the fs#
17:13:16Torneand i'll put it on my list
17:13:23[Saint]5111 iirc
17:13:40sideralSaint: Something is wrong with the WPS changes you made to the literal theme (http://pastebin.com/SGyb7CNr): It doesn't show elapsed time and total time any more
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17:17:54edhelasthanks for all :)
17:18:23Torne[Saint]: ok, i'm watching it now. resync it and tweak the noise if you want and prod me some other time, and i'll see about it
17:18:23edhelasif there something news about this where can i see it ?
17:18:38Torneedhelas: register for an account on the bugtracker and watch FS #5111
17:18:48Torneit will email you when it gets commented on then
17:18:53edhelasokay :)
17:20:34[Saint]sideral: Hmmm...runs through checkwps ok...
17:21:51sideralSaint: In comparison to the screenshot at http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=832&target=sansaclipplus, the playlist position is left-aligned and the track's time data is missing
17:22:34[Saint]sideral: alrighty, I'll have a look at it right now.
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17:26:31sideralhmm, looks like you just forgot to include the info :)
17:27:06*sideral uses his knowledge of sendmail.cf syntax to decipher the theme
17:28:49[Saint]http://pastebin.com/isBiw2Us
17:29:10[Saint]sideral: Yeah, I indeed neglected the playcount stuff.
17:29:21[Saint]that'll do it.
17:29:37sideralThanks! But he, even I can see that you forgot a % before "ar" :)
17:30:02[Saint]heheh, yeah...I was um....testing you, heh.
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17:33:41sideralSaint: Another issue: the elapsed time doesn't update in realtime any more
17:35:17sideralonly when entering the WPS
17:37:55[Saint]although I can't see why, there's a chance that scrolling that line (it souldn't actually scroll, but I let it, if it needed to) is messing things up.
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17:38:09sideralAh! −− %s −− "Scrolling lines can not contain dynamic content such as timers, peak meters or progress bars" says the wiki
17:38:40[Saint]http://pastebin.com/q62j4A3L
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17:39:23[Saint]sideral: Yes, but...it should only effect the updating *while* it's scrolling.
17:39:46[Saint]unless it got broken, and doesn't behave that way anymore.
17:40:18[Saint]Gah! I pasted the wrong pastebin-thingy :/
17:40:22[Saint]not my day.
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17:43:09sideralno problem, I fixed it with Rockbox's text editor. :) Thanks Saint!
17:43:37[Saint]Eeek! you're brave ;)
17:44:15[Saint]RB's text editor and v-keyboard on a clip+skin syntax==recipe for insanity
17:44:36sideral:)
17:44:48sideralneed to go offline now. Thanks again!
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18:20:16pixelma[Saint], gevaerts: they are *daily* manuals, built once a day and the fix was committed after today's build round. Some manuals were broken after this new audio formats table and the theme section comes behind it - so the html one just stopped there but the PDF should have it but lacks the table of content
18:21:08pixelmaeverytime they are broken this way, people ask for a way to trigger a new build of them at least manually but nothing has come out of it yt
18:21:17pixelmaor yet
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19:51:22bertrikrasher, does this look like a good translation patch to you? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12122?getfile=23671
19:52:52rasherLooks correct to me
19:53:19bertrikOk, then I'll apply it, thanks
19:53:23pixelmaI thought the features should be left for deprecated phrases?
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19:53:41rasherpixelma: they should, but that wasn't done in english.lang
19:53:47pixelmabut maybe it was done wrong in the...
19:53:48rasherso the translation will mirror that
19:53:51rasherYep
19:53:58pixelmayeah understood
19:54:04rasherhttp://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/lang/english.lang?r1=29701&r2=29876
19:54:36bertrikwhat's the problem there?
19:55:20rasherbertrik: it should've been *: none\nheadphone_detection: ""
19:55:26sideralI think pixelma is right. I may have committed the bad english.lang change
19:55:40bertrikoh ok
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19:56:38rasherIt doesn't help that this was done incorrectly many times in the past, so people looking for how to do it will get the wrong idea
19:56:43bertrikI think I can fix that in the romanian language patch. Or is it already to late for that?
19:56:49rasherYeah, too late
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19:57:11rasherOnce it's in english.lang there's no sense in going back
19:58:05sideralWe haven't committed many lang changes since then. I think it's still time to fix english.lang
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20:00:55sideralyou decide :)
20:01:04pixelmasideral: has the feature been tested on a hwcodec target? From what I understand it looks like it's based off some higher level stuff not the playback engine so it could work, just wondering
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20:08:01fmlpixelma: hello. \tabularnewline is indeed harder to read than \\ but it's necessary if you use \raggedright in a table.
20:08:27sideralit should work pixelma. would be nice if you tested it!
20:08:28fmlSince in that mode \\ means a line break within a cell.
20:08:30pixelmathe below table seems to be fine
20:13:34fmlHow can I make the IRC log be updating with firefox 4? With FF3 I had a "live connection", with FF4 I don't have it.
20:15:14Bagderff4 doesn't support the method we use for that
20:16:11fmlBagder: is it some hacky tricky method? Or standard http?
20:16:36Bagderit's kind of hacky, yes, there is no "standard http" way
20:17:18Bagderit should most probably be made to use websockets with recent browsers
20:18:58Tornehow does it do it? :)
20:19:13Torneis it cool and oldschool? x-multipart-replace? :)
20:20:31Torneaw that's cheating
20:20:34BagderI don't remember exactly, it is zagor's department
20:20:46Torneit's just hanging response
20:21:26Torneso yes, that's totally nonstandard and only works with renderers which are willing to render incrementally
20:21:35Tornewhich is generally considered a broken way to render modern web content ;)
20:22:03Bagderthat's my point
20:22:12Bagderajax would be the way I guess
20:22:26*Bagder doesn't like web programming...
20:22:28Tornecomet
20:22:45Bagderwell, comet is "just" long-polling isn't it?
20:22:47Torneprobably. if you want it to work largely the same
20:23:19Torneproper comet isn't long polling
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20:24:10Tornebut it's often easier to go with long polling :)
20:24:27Bagderanyway, nobody has made a version that works with ff4
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20:39:57CIA-16New commit by 03bertrik (r29903): FS #12122 - Translated the missing string in Romanian. by Sergiu Rotaru
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21:54:24charris2587what are the stumbling blocks to getting rockbox installed on an Ipod Classic
21:57:06charris2587hello?
21:57:46charris2587is this thing on?
21:57:50bertrikhi charris2587, I have no idea, but if someone else online here knows, they will let you know.
21:58:03charris2587ah okay :)
21:58:04charris2587gracias
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22:37:29Strife89charris2587: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodClassicPort
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22:43:22charris2587thanks
22:43:23charris2587:)
22:43:25charris2587thats really helpful
22:44:14*linuxstb wonders if that's sarcasm...
22:44:42charris2587why are programmers
22:44:45charris2587always sarcastic
22:44:48charris2587and negative
22:44:51Strife89linuxstb: I couldn't find a better page!
22:44:57charris2587ITS HELPFUL
22:45:00charris2587my god
22:45:04charris2587no..
22:45:07charris2587it wasnt sarcastic
22:45:10charris2587thank you strife
22:45:51linuxstbcharris2587: I was being serious - I wouldn't call that page useful for someone coming to the site and looking for information on installing Rockbox.
22:45:56Strife89charris2587: You're welcome.
22:46:21charris2587i understand its a different port of rockbox
22:46:25Strife89But he's right; the page isn't really useful except for giving you a link to a bootloader.
22:46:25charris2587but this works
22:46:30charris2587so thank you
22:46:44Strife89Here's the thing - the page it links to isn't Rockbox at all.
22:46:56Strife89Just a something that can boot it.
22:46:59charris2587i know its a different linux version
22:48:03linuxstbNeither Rockbox or emCore have anything to do with Linux.
22:49:11linuxstbThe Rockbox port to the Classic is just a normal port of Rockbox, no different to any other. The difference is that there is no Rockbox bootloader, so you need to use emCore to boot it.
22:49:12Strife89linuxstb: Also, doesn't one need to compile their own build for that target?
22:49:39linuxstbStrife89: No, there are automatic builds, I just don't think they are linked very widely.
22:50:01linuxstbHere - http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipodclassic.zip
22:50:06Strife89Ah
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22:50:36n1sthat's not a port difference anyway, just a distribution thing, and a hint that it really isn't ready for most end users
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22:53:14bluebroth3rthe builds are linked on the dev.cgi page from the table. You don't see that usually if the table is collapsed though :)
22:59:15n1sbefore tha usb issues are solved the port can be quite hard to actually use on the affected players
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23:17:11[7]n1s (for the logs): I got a full success report from an iPod classic with USB problems in the meantime, with the fix applied to both emcore and rockbox, so there seems to be some progress
23:17:23[7]and i can't reproduce any problems with the patch applied to my nano2g
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23:21:18*Strife89 looks to see how the Clip+ USB issues are doing.
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23:35:03sideralStrife89: pamaury has a new PIO-mode USB driver ready for testing in FS #11664. Unfortunately it doesn't work for me :( but YMMV
23:36:00charris2587english please
23:36:03Strife89sideral: I'm in the middle of setting up my build environment (again), so we'll see soon.
23:36:33Strife89charris2587: No worries, it has nothing to do with the iPod. :)
23:37:00Strife89AMSv2 devices (such as the Sansa Clip+) have USB issues.
23:37:21Strife89There is a patch in testing that tries to fix the problem.
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23:40:59Strife89sideral: Does it still patch/compile in the current revision?
23:41:09sideralI believe so
23:41:24Strife89Building the toolchain is taking forever ... :/
23:41:48Strife89Cross compiler rather
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