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#rockbox log for 2011-05-24

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06:02:45*S_a_i_n_t thinks that %cs needs "context menu"
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06:05:57[Saint]hahahahaha! Apparently using the dpad doesn't *actually* count as using the phone, and idle timeout kicks in :P
06:06:46[Saint]It seems I need to actually use the touchscreen to prevent idle timeout kicking in, that's...odd, and slightly amusing.
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06:57:24JdGordon[Saint]: that idle timeout is RaaA's one right? not androids?
06:58:31[Saint]yes, RaaA clearly does the "Shutting Down" splash, and I drop to the desktop. The idle timeout for the screen on my phone is set to 2 minutes.
06:58:56[Saint]and the idle timeout I have set for RaaA is 1 munute.
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07:06:17JdGordonshould be easy to fix
07:06:23JdGordonlike most of the raa bugs :p
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07:20:24JdGordon[Saint]: oh, while i remember... i reckon you should swap the AA and info positions so the tab overlaps the AA image and the track title/artist is above the image with different info below it
07:21:39[Saint]ew....that breaks the whole cabbie feel IMO. all the cabbies have the AA on top of the info, or at the least beside it.
07:22:05[Saint]I'll try it out, but I'm not to keen on the sound of it...perhaps I might like how it looks though, but it sounds odd.
07:56:19JdGordon[Saint]: yeah, but its nice to see the track name when the popup comes up instead of the image
07:56:28JdGordonalso it breaks the text up so its more readable
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08:00:24[Saint]I guess I could just place the text conditionally when the popup's are up instead...
08:00:49[Saint]because I still think that having the text on top of the AA breaks the "cabbie feel".
08:02:09*[Saint] is doing some SVN head builds now with a bunch of various usability patches from the tracker and myself and the new touch theme included to chuck in the unsupported builds section for theme feedback.
08:02:59[Saint]it'll only be 240X360 and 480X800 for the now, but I should have 320X480 done fairly soon...
08:03:18[Saint]withing the next day or so if I have a decent amount of time to play with.
08:03:26[Saint]*within
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09:12:22JoshuaChangsvn r29914 enable the gaussian interpolation and echo processing on S5L870x, then, what's the benefit for "realtime BRR decode"?
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09:18:27JdGordonis it safe to assume noone has played with the skinned-lists patch yet?
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09:37:51JdGordon[Saint]: ping
09:38:02JdGordonI got a 1 line patch for the idle timeout bug you can test?
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09:40:05JoshuaChangcould someone explain the "realtime BRR decode" in libspc?
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10:42:21JdGordon[Saint]: http://pastebin.com/A8kCiH8x let me know if it fixes it
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12:01:08mshathlonxpwhy lituanian language file I uploaded was not accepted? :D
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12:05:37JdGordonmshathlonxp: being impatient is a good way to get ignored
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12:06:52mshathlonxp??
12:06:59mshathlonxpwhere do you see any impatience?
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12:44:14CIA-16New commit by 03nls (r29921): FS #12120. Convert FRACMUL macros into inline functions and fix typecasting for 64 bit platforms so that sims produce the same results as targets. ...
12:47:38CIA-16r29921 build result: 0 errors, 2 warnings (nls committed)
12:48:28n1smore "set but not used" warnings
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12:56:41n1sradio.c is a very nice #ifdef hell
12:58:45CIA-16r29922 build result: All green
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13:48:16gevaertskugelp: will you have time sometime tonight (or tomorrow,...) for some gsoc-related stuff? I'd like to discuss some organisational details
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14:08:09kugelpgevaerts: yes
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14:25:22gevaertskugelp: great :)
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14:30:41kugelpgevaerts: Unfortunately I was a bit more quiet than I anticipated recently; uni is surprisingly heavy at the momemnt (we got another course and extensive practical courses)
14:32:27kugelpbut it looks like it's getting better in a few days/weeks, and I
14:32:27kugelp'm really keen on getting coding :)
14:32:27gevaertskugelp: I'm not complaining :)
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15:00:43kugelpn1s: hm, you wrote "inline FORCE_INLINE" but FORCE_INLINE includes inline :)
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15:42:29JasonSilverHello
15:42:47JasonSilverMy name is Jason, I've written a Perl script for converting iCal to .memo.
15:43:05JasonSilverSomeone suggested I upload it to the wiki, but I am not able to register as a user of the wiki.
15:43:08JasonSilverCan someone help me?
15:43:36gevaertsDo you get an error?
15:43:41JasonSilverYes.
15:43:45JasonSilverI posted the error on the message board.
15:44:03JasonSilverActually, I checked, and the psot is still "waiting" to complete. The forum seems very slow.
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15:44:43JasonSilverOK, I refreshed and reposted.
15:45:04gevaertsAh, ok. You just need to be added to the right group. This is the right place
15:45:13*gevaerts will do that now
15:46:05gevaertsJasonSilver: you should be able to edit things now
15:46:34JasonSilverOK.
15:46:40JasonSilverWhere should I place my post,
15:46:45JasonSilverand what is the right way to go about it?
15:47:38gevaertsI'd say make a new page about it, and link to it from http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsefulTools
15:48:00JasonSilverThanks.
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15:50:08JasonSilverI can't find a way to add a new page.
15:50:13JasonSilverI'm new to wikis.
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15:52:14gevaertsJust go to the URL for the page you want (maybe http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ICalConvert ?), and it will offer to create it
15:52:24JasonSilverThanks.
15:56:07JasonSilverWeird, I just get a 404 error: Page does not exist (Error 404) Sorry, the page you tried to view does not exist.
15:56:18JasonSilverTrying another.
15:56:53JasonSilversame thing.
15:58:11evilnick_BDon't you get "Topic 'ICalConvert' does not exist Did you spell the topic name correctly? Remember, a topic name is case sensitive. "?
15:58:38evilnick_BWith a button marked "Create this topic" at the bottom of the page
15:58:52clmoehey, these batteries might not be entirely shit
15:58:55clmoehttps://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnnpTCiERQHLdGsyZnpkMEVlTlZabWlaUVhDT3YzNVE&hl=en_US&authkey=CIL8pqsH
15:59:19clmoe(secong log)
15:59:23clmoesecond
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16:00:16JasonSilverI only got the 404 error.
16:00:20JasonSilverLet me try again.
16:00:57JasonSilvernope.
16:01:02JasonSilverIs that what you get on this link?
16:01:03JasonSilverhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/iCal2Text
16:01:32clmoeI get a 404
16:01:53clmoeStill only 120 ish hours at that rate though
16:02:04JasonSilverIf someone would create the topic for me, let's call it iCal2Memo
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16:02:56evilnick_BMaybe it has to begin with an upper-case i?
16:03:27evilnick_BJasonSilver: Try: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ICal2Memo
16:04:47JasonSilverWeird.
16:04:57gevaertsWiki conventions :)
16:04:58JasonSilveriCal is always lowercase i.
16:05:03JasonSilverDoes it matter?
16:05:12gevaertsYes, but wiki pages always start with uppercase
16:05:23gevaertsICal2Memo is fine I'd say
16:05:32JasonSilverok−− just thinking about Google Rankings, but I guess it's not a big deal, eh?
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16:05:43JasonSilverI doubt that Google cares about case.
16:06:43gevaertsI doubt google cares about the URL
16:06:54JasonSilverthey do care about url, actually.
16:07:04gevaertsOn the page itself you can capitalise IcAl whichever way you like :)
16:07:06JasonSilverh1) and title tag.
16:07:11JasonSilverwhups
16:07:43JasonSilverthey care about url, title, and h1 tag
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16:10:33JasonSilverIs there a way to upload files for the wiki?
16:10:52gevaertsyes. I'm not sure of the details though
16:11:29JasonSilverAre there other Perl coders in this chat that could troubleshoot the code with me? There's one bug that I haven't solved.
16:11:46JasonSilverRecurring appointments are not getting placed on the right day.
16:12:05JasonSilverI suspect it has something to do with the last two numbers that I assumed represesent occurence.
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16:24:15jasonsilverOK, downloaded xchat.
16:24:17jasonsilverMuch better.
16:24:29jasonsilverThat web client sucked in Chrome. :)
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16:37:26jasonsilverOk, the page is created.. does it look right: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ICal2Memo ?
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16:43:22evilnick_Bjasonsilver: I get a 403 error on trying to download the .txt file
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16:48:02*evilnick_B isn't sure if Wiki attachments have to be vetted first by an admin before they're accessible?
16:48:20*gevaerts doesn't know
16:48:29gevaertsWhere's Zagor when you need him?
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16:58:31jasonsilverI have also put the file on the forum, so maybe get it there until we find out what's wrong.
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16:59:56jasonsilverGoogle has found the script already.
16:59:58jasonsilverhttp://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=convert+ical+to+rockbox+memo
16:59:59jasonsilverPretty fast.
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17:00:27jasonsilverI really wish I could find someone who understood the .memo format.
17:00:33jasonsilveranyone here direct me?
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17:05:01Tornejasonsilver: not sure what there is to understand..
17:05:29jasonsilverWell, the specific problem −− or question−− is the two characters that follow the date and prepend the description of the appointment.
17:05:39jasonsilverThey are often 60, 61, 62, or 63
17:05:58jasonsilverI assume that Weekly is 60, Monthly is 61, Yearly is 62, and One-off is 63.
17:06:13Torneyou assume wrong :)
17:06:15jasonsilverBut they are not appearling on the right date when they are recurring weekly.
17:06:17Torne6 is the day of the week
17:06:18jasonsilverThanks!
17:06:23jasonsilverLOL!
17:06:25jasonsilverWhew.
17:06:38Tornethe other digit is the type
17:06:39jasonsilverWhy is that even necessary?
17:06:48jasonsilver(just curious)
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17:07:22Tornei imagine so that the calendar doesn't have to work out what day of the week the original date is in order to do weekly repeating
17:07:33jasonsilverah.
17:07:42jasonsilverOK, script needs a tweak then =−− LOL
17:07:44Torneit can just ignore the date and just put it on every wednesday
17:07:45jasonsilverThanks for the help.
17:07:46Torneor whatever.
17:07:53jasonsilverright, makes sense.
17:07:54TorneThis format is not guaranteed to be stable in any way, you realise
17:07:55Torne:)
17:08:01jasonsilverNo problem.
17:08:03TorneIt's all just how calendar.c happens to be implemented right now
17:08:06jasonsilverThe format really should be ical, anyway
17:08:37jasonsilverI just wanted to have access to my calendars (Google Calendars) when I'm not around my laptop.
17:08:46jasonsilverI thought others might benefit from it.
17:08:57TorneWell, feel free to implement ical reading in the calendar plugin
17:08:59Tornethat'd be pretty cool
17:09:08jasonsilverIs it okay for me to do that?
17:09:19Torneof course.
17:09:27jasonsilverWell, then I may just.
17:09:34TorneIt's a pretty nice format
17:09:36Torneit's not XML or anything
17:09:46Tornepretty easy to parse with simple functions like we already have in rockbox ;)
17:09:46jasonsilverWould XML be more approp?
17:09:54Torneno, XML is awful
17:10:00jasonsilveryeah.
17:10:10jasonsilverWhat language is the plugin/RockBox in?
17:10:11Tornethe iCalendar format is like numerous other formats we already have in rockbox :)
17:10:23TorneC
17:10:46jasonsilverAh, I don't know C yet, unfortunatly. I'm more a Perl/PHP/MysQL/Javascript kind of guy.
17:11:00jasonsilverJava is like C, right?
17:11:15jasonsilverI know a bit of Java.
17:11:17TorneThe broad syntax is similar
17:11:34jasonsilverProbably be best if someone else was to do this. I'm sure I'd wreck something- LOL
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17:11:47TorneIf you don't alrady know C you may find it difficult, yes
17:12:02jasonsilverI've heard that all the memory pointers and stuff can be overwhelming.
17:12:05Tornebut yes, if someone did this i'm sure we would accept it, if it wasn't horrible.
17:12:10jasonsilverlol
17:12:18Torneit's a plugin, so concerns about code size and so on are not as important
17:12:22gevaertsPointers are only overwhelming if you want them to be!
17:12:23Torneplugins only need ot be small enough to fit :)
17:13:13jasonsilverAny recommendations on a good site/book to learn the basics?
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17:32:16deeiceHi. I got a comment the other day from someone using my zipit RaaA builds about the sound quality being degraded in a build from March 11 (r29665).
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17:34:53deeiceSupposedly my earlier build from r29143 January? had much better high frequency sound, across all codecs.
17:35:28deeiceI scanned the SVN logs and saw some replaygain changes, but don't really know if that would do this sort of thing?
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17:36:42gevaertsif replaygain is disabled that shouldn't change anything
17:36:51deeiceSo before I stare svn diffing everything between those two builds, I thought I'd check here and see it anyone remembers anything.
17:37:07deeiceIs replaygain fairly new?
17:37:20gevaertsno
17:37:35deeiceMy first build was before 3.8 so the svn logs on the front web page don't go back that far.
17:38:20jasonsilverTorne: Should I focus on C++ or C?
17:38:30TorneRockbox is entirely in C
17:38:35Tornewe don't use C++
17:38:37gevaertsuh, that's what svn log is for
17:38:39TorneWe also don't use most of the C stadndard library
17:38:44Torneit's just not present :)
17:38:50jasonsilverOK.
17:39:13jasonsilverI'm reading on "CProgramming.com" - no one answered my question before, which I took to mean "go away" LOL
17:39:29deeiceI can't actually hear the "hushed" high frequency issue myself, as all I have is crummy 128kbit mp3s, and bad ears.
17:40:59deeicegevaerts: yeah I'm going to the svn log next, but I figured I'd mention it here first, in case it was known and/or solved.
17:41:18deeiceAnd if not, maybe you guys would want to know about it.
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17:43:31gevaertsdeeice: I'd say we need a lot more information before wanting to know about it :)
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17:44:18deeiceyes. I'm trying to encourage the guy who reported it to come on here and describe it. But apparently he's shy.
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18:02:43deeiceOk, this is the full bug report. "Could not notice differences with mp3 (below 192K), but lossless codecs sound like high harmonics are 'hushed' with r29665, when the r29143 is clear and hifi".
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18:03:01deeiceI'll try to dig up more info.
18:03:30deeiceWho knows, maybe I broke something with my tiny zipit patch.
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18:32:38Tornewe really need to fix the h300 bootloader
18:33:01Tornei've just noticed there's yet another person on the forum who can't use a large drive with their h300 because the bootloader hasn't been updated since i fixed large drive support
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18:45:39AlexPTorne: Devcon should be a good opportunity - LinusN is attending IIRC, and he's the man with the wiggler etc.
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18:50:36Torneaha
18:50:53TorneIt'd be good to check the last updated date of all the bootloaders, in fact
18:51:05Torneany hard disk target whose bootloader ahsn't been updated since i made that change could probably do with a new one
18:52:39AlexPH100 and H300 are right buggers for that
18:52:47AlexPUpdating bootloaders that is
18:52:55AlexPOr rather, trying out new ones
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20:06:00bertrik:( my netbook won't power off or on anymore ...
20:10:27n1sTorne: yeah, the h300 bootloader is from 2006 IIRC :)
20:11:36n1skugel: ah, yes the FORCE_INLINE thing was an old thing sitting in my tree since i poked at the gcc upgrade
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20:41:06Panasonicsomeone doesn't know what BRR in SPC code means?
20:41:07Panasonici read it on log
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20:46:25StrangeLoopHi, the rockbox website says that the current port for the iPod classic has "some power consumption issues", I couldn't find any elaboration on the magnitude of said issues (10% decrease? 60% decrease? "your player won't last more than 20 minutes" decrease?) Can anyone shed any light on that issue?
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21:00:52BuschelPanasonic: please explain
21:00:54Buschel:)
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21:04:07kugelBuschel: I have a question re: 29915. The buffer is allocated unconditionally, where's the advantage over a static buffer? Also the comment above seems wrong now
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21:07:31Buschelkugel: with r29915 sid handles reading data like other codecs do.
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21:12:05kugelBuschel: the advantage is that other codecs do it?
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21:12:46Buschelis consistency a bad thing?
21:13:33kugelif it's consitently bad, yes :P
21:13:53Buschelis it?
21:14:19kugelI find unconditionally allocated buffers just hide memory consumption without advantage (which is why I asked if there is one)
21:15:11Buschelas far as I can the chosen solution returns a pointer to a position in RAM which has been filled with the requested amount of bytes. so, we are just using (large) file buffer
21:17:28Buschelfrom my understanding we are wasting RAM if a) buffer the requested amount of data from a file to RAM and b) additionally copy it to another array
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21:19:02Buschelkugel: you are working on your buflib project?
21:19:15kugelnot in this very moment :)
21:19:33gevaertsWHY NOT? :)
21:19:51kugelgevaerts: see #rockbox-community :P
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21:23:40Panasonici am back
21:24:42PanasonicBRR is a sample format that the SONY chip in the SNES uses
21:25:08Panasonicyou can convert PCM to BRR with a free tool
21:26:50Panasonicthe SPC700 chip contains a 8bit cpu that means every game company has its own sound engine
21:27:49Panasonicsort like MIDI it feeds BRR samples into a 8 channels
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21:30:58sideralkugel, jhMikeS: Re [un]pause_action() being misplaced in wps.c:
21:31:05sideralI've considered moving to [un]pause_action() and fade() to misc.c. But it looks like nothing can be gained without moving fade() along. However, misc.c today is not concerned with skins (needed by fade(), and located in wps.c.
21:31:11sideralSo methinks it doesn't make sense right now to move [un]pause_action() out of wps.c
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21:46:17sideralkugel, jhMikeS: (That looks kinda garbled due to a copy&paste error, let me try again: ) :)
21:46:17sideralI've considered moving [un]pause_action() to misc.c. But it looks like nothing can be gained without moving fade() along, on which [un]pause_action has a dependency. However, misc.c today is not concerned with skins (needed by fade(), and located in wps.c).
21:47:11kugelsideral: there was once the idea to move it to playback.c (along with fade()), and make it actually non-blocking
21:48:20sideralnice idea, but that would still require some refactoring because of the skin dependency
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21:50:40sideralSo I think I can at least claim that I haven't made things worse by putting [un]pause_action() into wps.c. Before, fade() was being called from all over the place, and now [un]pause_action() is.
21:53:31sideralAlexP: have you had a chance to try the dynamic DB extension patch?
21:53:44AlexPoh ffs
21:53:54AlexPI'll build it now :)
21:54:01AlexPThat way I can't forget again
21:54:32sideralthanks. also, please spell out all abbreviations in this channel. screenreaders and the like, you know ;)
21:54:47gevaerts"fast file system"
21:54:59sideralah thanks
21:56:05kugelsideral: what skin dependancy?
21:56:31AlexPsideral: er, friendly fast service :)
21:56:46AlexPsideral: 1 then 2 I assume?
21:57:16AlexPAh, this will be tricky to test rapidly
21:57:20sideralAlexP: I think I'll rewrite the DB-extension mechanism in a more sophisticated manner eventually, but I'd like to collect some experiences and requirements from someone who's actually interested in the feature, so I'd appreciate if you'd play with it as it is
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21:57:58AlexPAs all my music is on my player I use day to day, so to initialise it without it doing everything I'll have to copy it off
21:58:35AlexPNot to worry, I'll use a different player :)
21:58:37gevaertsAlexP: database.ignore?
21:58:45AlexPEr, or that
21:59:17AlexPgevaerts: Hadn't even occurred to me - you can tell I don't use the database :)
21:59:19sideralAlexP: Yes, patch 1 then 2
21:59:24AlexPOK, will do
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22:00:30AlexPsideral: I'll just stick the build on my daily player and have a play, see what happens
22:00:37AlexPsideral: Sorry for taking so long to test
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22:10:39sideralAlexP: no problem!
22:10:57sideralkugel: fade() calls skin_update()
22:11:21kugelwhy that?
22:13:02sideralkugel: to update the wps with the pause status?
22:13:33sideralI guess this could be refactored quite easily, but I don't feel confident enough with the wps code to do it
22:15:25kugelthe caller of fade() can call skin_update
22:15:42kugelmost interesting would be to make it non-blocking IMO
22:16:05kugelthen make it not touch the global volume but that's not easy and not even possible on all targets
22:17:44sideralAlexP: please make sure you have at least one track that's *not* ignored when you initialize the DB, or else you'll run into FS #9093 (which I'll fix eventually)
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22:20:33AlexPyeah, I copied one out to initialise
22:20:56AlexPIt's all set up, so should get tested when I use it tomorrow :)
22:21:55wodzquick question - how are PCM numbers represented? I mean I would like to put sine waveform in array and send this through DMA to codec I2S fifo.
22:22:09wodzs/numbers/samples/
22:22:25gevaertswodz: pong
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22:22:53wodzgevaerts: where is code that does mem size detection on Video?
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22:24:24n1swodz: each value is the amplitude of one sample
22:24:47n1sor maybe i don't understand the question
22:25:04wodzn1s: that is clear but sine is -1,1 so how this is mapped to 16bit value?
22:25:12gevaertswodz: crt0-pp.S
22:25:36Buschelwodz: -1 = -32768, +1 = 32767
22:25:48gevaertswodz: oh, and system-pp502x.c. This was added in r27937 by Torne
22:25:54wodzgreat, thanks
22:26:01n1swodz: think of it like a s0.15 number
22:26:41gevaertswodz: note that this uses the fact that on the 32mb ipod video, RAM is mapped twice
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22:27:53n1swodz: if you think of sine as [-1 1] the values in 16 bit pcm will be (roughly) the sine value * 32767
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22:32:53sideralkugel: sounds like a good plan −− for Mr Someone :)
22:33:28kugelman, I thought I got you in! :)
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22:54:31keyb_grDo we have any way of marking multiple files in a playlist so they can be moved as an entity? I didn't find any.
22:54:47*keyb_gr would consider that awfully handy for playlist editing.
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22:56:44keyb_grI've looked at playlist_viewer.c, and from what I can tell, it wouldn't be too easy to implement.
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23:02:13keyb_grs/files/entries, of course
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23:06:25keyb_grThe problem is that the track currently moved is stored in the playlist viewer settings struct, so it's very much designed for one entry at a time.
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23:12:29evilnick_Bkeyb_gr: Nothing so far... (hint hint :) )
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23:19:05n1si think a lot of people would agree that multiselect would be nice
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23:25:22keyb_grSo another case for Mr. Someone, basically? ;) This is Way Over My Head territory.
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23:34:27evilnick_Bkeyb_gr: I like to think of it as "something to aspire towards" :)
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