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#rockbox log for 2011-05-27

00:00:20bluebroth3rhmm, support to load files from a rockbox.zip would be a nice feature
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00:01:37kugelsideral: in the cases where duplicated entires where reported everything was dupliucated
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00:03:19sideralkugel: I think there are some DB queries that find every track multiple times and rely on uniq to sort it out. I'm not yet sure how exactly that can happen
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00:22:33sideralbug2000: How many files did you have on your played when you saw the duplication, and which DB view did you select?
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00:45:31linuxstbwtachi: It might be useful for you to list your FS tasks (including committed ones) on your projects's wiki page - so that people following your project can see them, and also so there's some nice evidence of you having done something ;)
00:47:26wtachilinuxstb: good idea, although the two so far are just bugfixes
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01:21:31selectohhhello everyone, id' like to invite any sansa c-series or e-series users to try out my new plugin, it's a sampler/drum machine http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12131?string=rockout
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02:16:22kernelcodehello all, I want to get involved and am trying to add a feature. Basically I'd like it if you could tell the wake-up alarm to play a specific playlist instead of what was previsouly playing
02:16:43kernelcodehas this idea been tried and rejected? If not, I'll get on it...
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02:28:36saratogakernelcode: i don't think anyone has mentioned that before, but i could be wrong
02:33:32kernelcodesaratoga: Fair enough. I've been looking around the code, it's going to take me a while to get to grips with is all, but I'm dying to get involved on some open source software!
02:33:38kernelcode*it all
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04:15:19JoshuaChangi want to build android port, which sdk version should i install?
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08:28:43CtcpIgnored 7 channel CTCP requests in 3 hours and 7 minutes at the last flood
08:28:43*Zagor just realized librbcodec is skipping all the playlist code
08:29:20Zagorthat makes me slightly more optimistic :-)
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09:03:24manolito-Hi
09:03:56manolito-Looking for atapwd.exe or ArchosUnlock.exe
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09:06:31manolito-Does anyone here have it?
09:06:53B4gderI doubt that
09:07:02B4gderthose are tools long gone
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09:21:40n1shmm, my toolchains don't seem to be built with -Werror
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09:27:18manolito-trying to unlock a hdd so i can format it.. has a stupid pw
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09:39:25n1smaybe we should take down that page on unlocking harddisks?
09:40:29n1smanolito-: afaiu the things on the rockbox page works only because the password was always the factory default so those tools will not help you if your disk is actually protected with a password you don't know
09:41:07[Saint]I'm not sure it'd be "right" if it did.
09:41:17[Saint]...it certainly doesn't feel right.
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10:37:07kugelSlasheri: ping
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11:06:45Slasherikugel: hello
11:07:25kugelSlasheri: the name_len member of struct dircache_entry is reduntant, isn't it? I'm working on removing it
11:07:44Slasherikugel: checking that
11:08:16kugelI'm also doing memcpy->strlcpy in that file for the d_names
11:12:15pamaurykugel: the name_len field is mainly there for performance, to avoid recomputing sizes all the time
11:12:23pamauryis that necessary to remove it ?
11:12:27Slasherikugel: yes, name_len is not absolute necessary, it can be replaced with NULL checks and strlen (probably with a slight cpu penalty)
11:14:16Slasheribut removing it, would reduce the memory consumption by 4 bytes/file
11:15:22pamauryor you can safely reduce it to a shot and gain 2 bytes/file without any overhead
11:15:27pamaury*short
11:15:43Slasherikugel: why are you changing to strlcpy? does it have more overhead?
11:16:00Slasheripamaury: indeed, 2 bytes should be enough for that.. in fact, even one byte should be
11:17:12pamaury2 bytes is safer, I think I saw some magic length values close to 255 in that file and others
11:17:26sideralSlasheri: Can you explain which DB queries can return a track multiple times and rely on uniq, and why?
11:19:01Slasheripamaury: dircache limits the value to 0xff, entry->name_len = MIN(254, strlen(new)) + 1;
11:19:13Slasheriso it should be safe to use just uint8_t
11:28:56Slasherisideral: iirc, if you are using conditional clauses to fetch for example artists, the tagcache engine will go through the main index (not artist table). There can be multiple matching tracks that point to the same artist entry. In that case, we don't want to display the same artist multiple times
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11:39:17Slasheripamaury: btw, i am not sure if the name_len can be truncated, i think the reason for 4 bytes is to keep the struct aligned
11:39:43Slasherisome targets (ARM) could crash otherwise
11:40:11pamauryyou can always swap d_name and name_len, the already word align dircache_entries
11:40:25pamaury*the code
11:40:43Slasheriah, indeed
11:41:26Slasheriof course, as the d_name is variable length :) already forgot that
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11:53:50kugelpDo we have a means to measure dircache speed? I don't think strlen has much impact
11:55:28kugelpthe 4 bytes however are valuable, many people have many many files on the dap. some come near the dircache limit
11:55:47TorneAre the strings actually null terminated?
11:56:55kugelpyes and no
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11:57:37kugelpa byte for nul is reserved but It's not always written, hence I'm changing to strlcpy
11:58:38pamaurywhen changing that, take care that name_len=0 is used to mark invalid entries
11:58:48kugelpI do
11:59:45kugelpchanging name_len to a char probably won't help since the structure is going to be aligned
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12:00:35pamauryas I said to Slasheri, if you swap name_len and d_name that's ok
12:01:24pamaurybut go on, remove name_len if you want
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12:02:41kugelpstructs are only byte aligned if all members are bytes, no?
12:02:41kugelp(this is abi/arch specific anyway)
12:04:35Torneon pretty much all ABIs the natural alignment of a struct is the maximum of the natural alignment of its members, yes
12:05:03Torneyou can't be *less* than that
12:05:16Tornesince no configuration of padding will guarantee member alignment otehrwise :)
12:06:35pamaurykugelp: dircache_entry is always manually word aligned, but it's length does not need to be a multiple of a word
12:07:41kugelppamaury: I have further plans with dircache. make the entries accessible as an array. that should simplify some code and give a speed bump
12:08:06kugelpin the end it's all about making it buflib friendlier :-)
12:08:16pamaurywhy a speed bump ?
12:10:43pamaurythat might simplify the memory management but entries won't be contiguous all the time, except if you do some more complicated things to handle contiguous ranges
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12:12:25kugelpwell perhaps not that much of a speed bump, but walking linked lists is generally slower than walking arrays isn't it?
12:12:44Slasherikugelp: how about adding entries on-the-fly to an array?
12:12:50pamaurydon't really see why
12:13:00pamauryit's mostly a matter of cache locality
12:13:20pamaurywell, I'm not a arm expert but arrays are not black magic it seems
12:14:34kugelpSlasheri: I wanted to alloc the entries from the beginning and strings from the end, in the middle the sparring buffer
12:14:37kugelpspare
12:17:10Slasherikugelp: ok, but how about quickly locating all sub-entries of a single directory, while there has been many live changes to the structure in the while?
12:17:43Slasherifor example new directories and files added
12:18:12Slasherii think an array would get out-of-shape really quick
12:19:33kugelpgoing down the tree would work as before (so little gain), but entirety of the cache is an array
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12:22:00Slasherikugelp: what do you mean by that, what kind of structure would it have?
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12:23:05kugelpnext, up, down members like now (but perhaps as indexes instead of pointers)
12:23:52kugelpI'm probably going to need to fix up all entries in one go and will need indexes for exposure to other modules
12:24:05Slasheriah, ok
12:24:44kugelp(for buflib)
12:24:44Slasherijust wondering if that would imply any real performance gain
12:25:20kugelpprobably not much, I shouldn't have said speed bump :-)
12:25:36kugelpbut it should indeed help cache locality
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12:36:25Slasherikugelp: also, please make sure not to break the dircache hibernation feature, that is invaluable to H1xx owners :)
12:45:24sideralThanks Slasheri
12:46:15kugelpSlasheri: as this is a binary dump it should work as before
12:46:18sideralpamaury: AMSv2 USB (DMA driver): The IRQs for usbsuspend / wkupintr are enabled, but apparently unhandled −− why?
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12:52:34kugelpSlasheri: in fact it will work better that before since an offset of the dircache root is easily fixable (in the same way as tc ramcache)
12:52:54pamaurysideral: because rockbox doesn't support usb suspend
12:53:28sideralbut why do they need to be enabled?
12:54:57pamaurydon't need to, probably some old code I didn't change in a while
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13:10:45kugelSlasheri: should I increase DIRCACHE_MAGIC?
13:12:18Tornemore magic is always good ;)
13:12:42kugel:P
13:14:05pamaurybeware not to overflow, magic under the hood is not good
13:15:31kugelin that case I'll cast it to black magic, don't worry!
13:15:45pamauryI'm relieved ! :)
13:16:52*pamaury propose 0xd14cac7e for the magic
13:27:00Slasheri:D
13:27:05Slasherikugel: yes, you should increase that
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13:32:14kugelhm, the sim doesn't properly exit anymore
13:34:38kugelSlasheri: hrm, the dircache is 20k smaller for 1.8k files on my (64bit) sim
13:34:50kugelshould only be 7.2k actually
13:35:27kugel(btw: I think the spare buffer is too big)
13:35:34kugelIMO*, rather
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13:51:46kugeldircache_copy_path() can be quite simplified
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17:13:31CIA-16New commit by 03nls (r29928): FS #12121 by Sean Bartell, disables -Werror on binutils builds to fix them when using gcc 4.6.
17:17:07CIA-16r29928 build result: All green
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17:45:15stdcallHello there.
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18:49:49kugelgevaerts: how do I enable BUFFER_ALLOC_DEBUG?
18:52:07kugelit seems there's a bug in dircache
18:52:24kugelI can get other threads to buffer_alloc during cache generation (which grabs the audio buffer)
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18:55:54gevaertskugel: -DBUFFER_ALLOC_DEBUG in EXTRA_DEFINES?
18:56:11kugelI thought there was an easier way
18:56:42gevaertsThat's not easy?
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19:00:47kugelI also hoped it was automatically enabled in debug builds :)
19:00:52kugelno, that's not easy
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19:09:58stdcallWhere can I download source code for iPod Video (5G)?
19:14:36gevaertsstdcall: the best way is to check out the source using svn
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19:17:02hdmiguys can rockbox work on the latest ipod nano?
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19:17:22saratoganope
19:17:47hdmidang! thanks for the quick rep
19:18:16saratoganext time just check the list on the front page ;)
19:18:22hdmidoes anybody here know how i can enable the latest ipod nano play flac files?
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19:19:00stdcallYou can play .wav.
19:19:03saratogahdmi: you can't, and this is an on topic channel so please don't ask about things other then rockbox
19:19:12hdmiok
19:19:19hdmisorry my bad
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19:33:03saratogai skimmed through the firmware dump from one of those "bricked" clipv2s and the patched firmware contains the dual boot code as expected
19:33:30saratogaunless i'm missing something i can't see why they wouldn't boot unless theres a clipv2 revision that has completely different GPIO pins or something
19:34:17saratoga(patched firmware dumped from the firmware partition)
19:34:46saratogait would probably be a good idea to dump the patched firmware from a working device with the same version and see if anything else is different
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20:21:25kugelhow about one of http://pastie.org/1981898 replaces the common "!strcmp(str, ".") || !strcmp(str, "..")" pattern?
20:23:16kugel(_dirs2 and _dirs3 need a bug fix but the question remains)
20:29:29gevaertskugel: why?
20:30:13kugelspeed :)
20:30:47gevaertsYou're most probably doing disk IO!
20:31:24Buschelarghh...
20:31:47*Buschel has issues with setting up cygwin on his new notebook
20:31:58kugelgevaerts: not with dircache, and even then it's perhaps worth it
20:32:23gevaertsEven with dircache
20:32:30kugelafaik other libraries to this optimization (even when they see that strcmp pattern)
20:33:15kugelgevaerts: huh?
20:33:16gevaertsWhy are . and .. even in dircache?
20:33:38Buschelrockboxdevsh fails with this -> http://pastie.org/1981941
20:33:43kugelbecause readdir needs to return them
20:33:45gevaertskugel: whenever you're using dircache, I assume the end goal is disk IO. I don't see the point of saving three CPU cycles in such cases
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20:34:19kugelgevaerts: but what speaks against is?
20:34:25gevaertsreadability
20:34:36amiconnDoesn't gcc optimize this by itself?
20:34:40kugelis if (check_special_dirs(name)) less readable?
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20:35:11gevaertscheck_special_dirs() itself is not readable
20:35:25kugelamiconn: it doesn't because we pass -nostdlib in which case it makes no assumptions about conformance of standard functions
20:35:28bluebrotherwow, that "optimization" is really unreadable :o
20:36:02*kugel disagrees
20:36:37bluebrotherbesides, have you benchmarked it? I doubt it's that much faster
20:36:45kugelnot yet
20:38:10*amiconn also thinks it's less readable than using strcmp()
20:39:15bluebrotheralso, changing that to !(strcmp(str, ".") && strcmp(str, "..")) should avoid the second strcmp in case it doesn't start with a dot
20:39:24bluebrotherstr that is
20:39:50gevaertsbluebrother: how?
20:39:52kugelthe bodies are readable (perhaps less, but still readable), but the bodies aren't of interest. I find "if (check_special_dirs(s))" more readable than "if (!strcmp(s, ".") || !strcmp(s, ".."))", especially since the latter has most often line breaks inbetween because the line is too long
20:40:04bluebrothergevaerts: by not performing the 2nd strcmp
20:40:12bluebrotheror am I confused right now?
20:40:36gevaertsbluebrother: I suspect you are. str=".." won't match with strcmp(str, ".")
20:40:41bluebrotherthen make check_special_dirs() use strcmp ...
20:41:13gevaertskugel: "if (!strcmp(s, ".") || !strcmp(s, ".."))" tells me it's checking for . and ... check_special_dirs(s) makes me wonder what the hell a special directory is
20:41:20bluebrotherand make it inline or a function like macro
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20:42:54kugelgevaerts: do you have a better name?
20:42:56bluebrothergevaerts: ah, right.
20:43:04bluebrothercheck_dot_and_dotdot()?
20:43:31kugelsounds good to me
20:43:55bluebrothergevaerts: well, one could use strncmp() instead ;-)
20:44:08gevaertsbluebrother: but then it won't check for "." any more
20:44:31bluebrotherargh. Seems I've been looking on this strange zlib code for too long now :o
20:45:16*gevaerts would prefer optimisations in places that are actually likely to make a difference
20:45:44*bluebrother is with gevaerts on this
20:47:17kugelbut does that make optimization in places where it (probably) doesn't make a difference bad?
20:47:49bluebrotherif those make the code worse to read, IMHO, yes.
20:48:42kugelsuppose we had check_dot_and_dotdot() instead of the strcmp thing, what's the point of using slower code within _dotdot?
20:48:56bluebrotherreadability and maintainability.
20:49:58kugelmaintainablility isn't an argumetn for 1 or 2 liners
20:50:39bluebrotherif that 1 or 2 liner is hard to read and understand it is.
20:50:49bluebrothermaintainability is _always_ an argument
20:55:32gevaertskugel: if you can actually show that it's faster in real use somewhere, I'll retract my objections and buy you a beer at devcon
20:55:40kugelbluebrother: apparently not. I've seen lots horrible and simply unmaintainable code in rockbox during my analysis
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20:55:54kugelgevaerts: can I cheat with a 50k files folder? :P
20:56:16saratogaif its 2 lines long, and unclear, just put a comment next to it
20:56:34kugelit most probably won't make a noticeable difference in any sitation
20:56:48saratogathats what i do for weird codec tricks and asm crap
20:56:59kugelsaratoga: could even put the readable code under #if 0 next to it
20:57:22kugel(slow code isn't the only solution to maintainability)
20:57:25gevaertskugel: I'd prefer you to use no more than the largest possible max files per directory setting :)
20:57:35saratogathats kind of ugly imo, just because you have to read past a block of dead code
20:57:43bluebrotherkugel: it is still an argument. It isn't invalidated because of people ignoring it.
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21:18:33kugelpamiconn: fwiw, i don't see this optimization in the x86 binary
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