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#rockbox log for 2011-05-28

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00:49:01stdcallRockbox's UI has a terrible design in fact.
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00:51:33*bluebrother happens to like it a lot
00:52:03stdcallIt would be good if someone could make a better one.
00:52:49scorche|shstdcall: i would agree that that would be good - the problem is finding and getting that someone to do it ;)
00:54:34stdcallHow about you?
00:56:08scorche|shi lack the motivation, free time, and ideas of how to improve it
00:56:14scorche|shhow about you?
00:58:29stdcallMe? Well, I would be glad, but I have no free time to do it.
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00:59:12scorche|shthen it looks like you should get used to the current design ;)
00:59:25bluebrotherand what's the problem with the current one?
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01:02:07stdcallNon-professional design.
01:02:13bluebrotherROTFL
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01:02:43bluebrotheryou're trying to troll around?
01:03:10scorche|shstdcall: that is hardly specific...also, professionals do silly things like labelling a button used to go backwards "menu" too
01:03:50bluebrothermost so-called "professional" UIs I have seen are _far_ worse. So I definitely prefer non-professional if that's what it is.
01:04:44stdcallBlue, are you the author of the current one?
01:05:28bluebrotherof the current what? WPS?
01:05:47bluebrotherbut no, I have neither worked on the WPS nor Themes in general or UI.
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02:19:47*S_a_i_n_t picks up
02:19:55S_a_i_n_t"what is *wrong* with the UI...
02:20:02S_a_i_n_thint: be careful ;)
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02:23:18[Saint]I always like it when people come in and say "the UI should be better"...but give *no* useful information on how that should be done.
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07:21:30*[Saint] wonders how hard it would be to get RaaA(oA) working with TalkBack
07:22:19[Saint]the track title and artist info on the fallback .wps "just works"...so, apparently it *can* work.
07:22:42[Saint]A choice between TalkBack or the Rb voicing system would be pretty cool.
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11:10:15bertrikHow does function default_event_handler_ex work?
11:10:20bertrikWhat does it return value mean?
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11:15:43bertrikA return value != 0 means that the event has been handled?
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11:48:50bluebrotherdoes Android remote .so files on installation if it thinks they are unused?
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12:50:39bertrikFS #12015 has a thai translation without a real name of the submitter from march 17, should we close this?
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14:19:50pixelmabertrik: did anyone ask him about a real name?
14:20:07bertrikyes, I did, in the comments to the task
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14:22:44pixelmahmm
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14:33:26bertrikI'll leave it open, if it gets older than 6 months I'll reconsider closing it
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14:43:22Buschelsetting up cygwin with all the specialities we have now (build cross-compilers, add inputenx, add SDL) is a pain
14:43:33Buschelespecially as there is few documentation
14:43:54*Buschel will update the HowTo from his yesterday's and today's experience
14:52:31Buschelargh.... sdl does not compile
14:53:33stdcallRockbox needs HAL.
14:54:05Mowciusanyone actively working on rockbox for creative players?
14:54:12MowciusI know there's a page on it
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15:07:02Buschelbtw, why is download.rockbox.org/cygwin not reachable when trying to install cygwin?
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16:23:51Buscheldid anyone ever get a sim-build under cygwin / windows 7 to compile?
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16:44:01Buschelhmm, it seems the issues are caused by errors in the cygwin installation of the mingw-stuff. let's see whether the recommended workaorund solves the issue
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16:48:45JoshuaChangseems msys works
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18:44:22rudi_sHi. I just started using rockbox on my sansa clip+ today and it works great, thanks for your work. I have one minor issue though (only partly rockbox related), my music filenames contain characters which are illegal on fat32 partitions (like ' or :), is there a unix/linux tool (script or similar) to just remove those characters before copying them to the directory? Thanks.
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18:52:06*Buschel managed to build a rockbox sim :)
18:52:10Buschel\o/
18:53:11Buschelbut I needed to re-install cygwin, apply a patch, re-build SDL and make an evil change to one of the cygwin paths
18:53:43stdcallWindows 7?
18:53:58Buschelyep
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19:00:11rudi_sBtw. is it normal that when changing the volume the number (in dB) is displayed only in the main menu, but not in the while playing screen?
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19:16:23JoshuaChangi do think using msys+tdm-gcc to build sim is better
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19:22:39stdcallIt would be nice if there is a possibility to compile via Visual Studio. ;-)
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19:37:57bluebrotherAlexP: power on issue seems solved! :)
19:42:00kugelBuschel: I believe there's a patch on the tracker with which you can build natively under windows
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23:35:44[Saint]Hmmm...."reboot" doesn't really seem to fit very well on an RaaA target....
23:36:10[Saint]I can imagine some people thinking they'd need to reboot the handset when RaaA asks this.
23:38:36bluebrotherone of the reasons why Rockbox needs a shutdown entry on Android
23:38:57bluebrothermake it a "Rockbox needs to restart. Do you want to restart now" dialog that restarts Rockbox :)
23:40:02kugel[Saint]: r29157 fixed the back button issues
23:40:20[Saint]No, it didn't;)
23:40:34kugelon my phone it did
23:40:47[Saint]"fixed" is over-eager there I'm afraid.
23:40:50kugelperhaps one of your dozen patches undoes the fix
23:41:02[Saint]Nope, it's never worked.
23:41:18[Saint]on a few select screens, it's just never worked.
23:41:44kugeltry a patch-less current build please
23:41:46kugelit is fixed
23:58:36bluebrotherhmm. I'm trying to put some more .so files into the apk. They show up in the apk, but after installation they are gone. What am I doing wrong?
23:58:58bluebrotheris there some xml file or the like that needs to mention them?

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