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#rockbox log for 2011-06-01

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00:03:27kugeljhMikeS: a mutex seems obvious here, the callback comes from another pthread
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00:06:39jhMikeSI guess for that one. I'm just glad I took another look at the SDL on account of discussing this :)
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00:10:13jhMikeSI just hope in this case it doesn't induce a deadlock because pcm.c uses the lockout when calling the low level routines
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00:29:49preglowooh, rockbox works
00:31:32kugelof course :)
00:32:07preglowwow, rockbox widget!
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01:24:22*kugel isn't sure how to deal with direct audiobuf access in mp3data.c and mpeg.c
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01:40:41kugelso, vbr calls plugin_get_audio_buffer() and calls into mp3data.c which heavily relies on reading from audiobuf directly
01:40:51kugelhow to solve that?
01:41:18kugelthis is most certainly buggy
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02:19:27JdGordonhttps://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/demos/detail/doom-on-the-web/ chrome is up to 700MB ram usage on the tab running doom
02:19:31JdGordonand it hasnt even started yet!
02:19:47JdGordonhaha, chrome killed it
02:22:09jhMikeSkugel: my somewhat-ignorant attempt that I have no idea if it will really work without deadlock or even compile: http://pastebin.com/VCLut6eK (can remove pcm_play_dma_started_callback calls to test with current SVN)
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02:23:29JdGordonwoops, wrongchannel :)
02:29:01kugeljhMikeS: anything changed other than the mutex thing?
02:29:09jhMikeSno
02:29:43jhMikeSoh. just removing that call you said I could
02:30:52kugeldiffs are more appreciated :)
02:31:16jhMikeSif you wish :)
02:33:13jhMikeShttp://pastebin.com/9qDZ91bp
02:33:51kugellate :P
02:36:02kugeljhMikeS: "if (−−audio_locked == 0);
02:36:02kugel unlock_audio();"!!
02:38:41kugeljhMikeS: compiled fine after few fixes, music plays but I'll test the next few days
02:38:59kugelperhaps it magically fixes all issues :)
02:40:36kugelfwiw, here's the fixed patch http://pastebin.com/eNE0rJt5
02:41:06kugeljhMikeS: why the reference counting? recursive mutexes are fine aren't they?
02:41:58kugelgah, this one http://pastebin.com/L8kx8jQL
02:42:44jhMikeSoops, semicolon fail
02:44:45jhMikeSone thing I didn't get easy info on was if you need to call pthread_mutex_destroy for a static mutex :\\
02:56:18kugeljhMikeS: I guess so, but you can also initialize it at runtime to make sure it's correct
02:56:59jhMikeSI just read some doc that said it's only for dynamic ones
02:57:48jhMikeSI wanted the fast, non-reentrant variety. about the only thing else I'd change would be in the realm of priority inheritance
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02:59:35JdGordonthe first chunk in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11925?getfile=23312 has an enum using SCREEN_* prefix... any ideas what a better prefix would be?
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03:00:01JdGordonit is to list the actual screen the user is in...
03:00:10JdGordonmaybe I go the android-type thing and use ACTIVITY_?
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03:09:09*jhMikeS now finds different doc that suggests a static mutex should be destroy ... *shakes head*
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03:37:52[Saint]Oh!
03:38:03*[Saint] yay!'s at r29940
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03:41:38JdGordon[Saint]: assuming you're going to do new builds for the above commit, can you test FS #11925 please?
03:41:39bluebrother-bothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11925 3Add a proper "current screen" system (patches, new)
03:42:07[Saint]Haha...assuming ;)
03:42:09JdGordonexcept looking at the order on CheckWPS and the patch, the %cs tag order changes so you might want to reorder it to be correct
03:42:15JdGordonyou're not?
03:42:29[Saint]I've had that in my tree since it went up.
03:42:51[Saint]'twas just a general "yay, it's in svn now".
03:43:07JdGordonbah, just hoped you like having svn+patches, not oldsvn_patches :)
03:43:11[Saint]I can test your patch at some stage today, though ;)
03:43:18JdGordonyippee :)
03:43:45JdGordonI'm hoping to commit it tomorow/tonight (depending on testing and time)
03:45:03[Saint]Ok, yeah...looking at it, I might carve it up a bit and add it back to the tracker when I'm finished with testing. Just to make it resemble svn ordering currently with anything new tacked onto the end.
03:45:32JdGordonit shouldnt need too much fiddling
03:45:39JdGordonjust the order in misc.h
03:45:48[Saint]that way it shouldn't break any current themes either, unless I'm missing something.
03:46:25[Saint]Hmmm, no actually, other themes that use %cs will have screwed up ordering no matter how I order it, or outright fail no?
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03:47:18[Saint]if the expected number of args isn't there it will fail to parse, if I understand it right anyway.
03:47:25JdGordonno
03:47:40JdGordonits a conditional..... %?cs<a|b|c> is fine if it has 15 options
03:48:01JdGordoni'd like to not break themes, thoguuh I dont really care too much if we need to
03:48:07JdGordonthis system is far better than svn
03:48:41[Saint]Oh, ok. that's cool then. If that's the case as long as the ordering is the same then new args tacked onto the end it should "just work" for old and new themes.
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04:08:17jhMikeS"processor not implemented" when building sim? how the...
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04:36:48quemmy 1st-gen ipod nano's flash seems to be reaching its end of life... any decent contemporary players that run rockbox?
04:51:41[Saint]"contemporary"?
04:52:43[Saint]It depends on too many factors to jsut say "get <player X>"...what are you looking for? Flash? Hdd? is expandable memory important? etc.
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04:57:10[Saint]If you're happy with a 1st Gen Nano...I'd highly advise getting another. The SQ is *awesome* in the Nano1G and aside from my Android handset, it's my preferred player.
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06:53:55bluebrother-bothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11925 3Add a proper "current screen" system (patches, new)
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08:23:24kZard|2Is rockbox being developed for 6th gen iPods?
08:23:43[Saint]If you mean the Classic, yes.
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08:23:51kZard|2yes,
08:24:07kZard|2ok cool, is it at all usable?
08:24:38[Saint]Yes, but your definition of usable and mine may differ.
08:24:50kZard|2hehehe
08:25:09[Saint]it's definitely far from "stable", and right now builds are not released via rockbox.org
08:25:23kZard|2true. I used RockBox on my 4th gen ipod photo earlier this year
08:25:42kZard|2it kept crashing
08:25:54kZard|2but, I think it was because of a faulty hard drive
08:26:11[Saint]Well, that's highly unusual...that device has been stable for quite some time.
08:26:27[Saint]I own two personally and run them without problem.
08:26:31kZard|2yea. was quite nice while it worked though
08:27:04[Saint]If you'd like to know more about the Class Rockbox port, the best place to help you is the #freemyipod project.
08:27:04kZard|2I thought that the 5th gen and 6th gen ipods were much more closely related
08:28:02kZard|2o?
08:28:03[Saint]No, there's pretty much nothing in common between the 5th and 6th gen iPod
08:28:03kZard|2wow seriously?
08:28:03[Saint]apart from the fact that they are both iPods, yes.
08:28:03kZard|2excuse my ignorance, but feature wise they seem basically the same
08:28:07kZard|2wow, thats quite interesting
08:29:42[Saint]Right now, to run Rockbox on the Classic you need an application called emCORE, this is developed seperately from ROckbox by the guys at freemyipod.org
08:30:12[Saint]installation will completely wipe the device, and there is no dual-boot.
08:30:56kZard|2ok
08:31:01kZard|2meh
08:31:08kZard|2I should've bought a 5th gen then
08:31:28kZard|2I just want to be able to carry all my music with me.
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09:44:48sideraln1s: That would allow mapping my IRC name to my real name way too easily for my tastes. I'd like to be know as "sideral" around here :)
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09:49:24sideraln1s: Do you think the FS #12065 <http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12065> fix is ready for commit? I'd like to get it in, but I'll be on vacation for a few days starting tomorrow
09:49:25bluebrother-bothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12065 3Database RAM cache doesn't work with Chinese-simp (bugs, unconfirmed)
09:51:47n1ssideral: it fixed the crash for me and looks ok but i don't know the database code well enough to know :)
09:52:32n1sin other words, if you think it's fine i think you should commit
09:53:35sideraln1s: OK, will do. You can do an emergency back-out if things start crashing when I'm off :)
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09:58:06sideral?
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10:00:39CIA-58New commit by 03sideral (r29941): FS #12065 - Fix two regressions introduced with r26192 (FS #10976 / ...
10:00:41bluebrother-bothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12065 3Database RAM cache doesn't work with Chinese-simp (bugs, unconfirmed)
10:00:41bluebrother-bothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10976 3String <untagged> isn't in language files (bugs, closed)
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10:07:04sideralLooks like the storebror-daniel build client has a serious issue.
10:07:59B4gderweird
10:08:21n1sthe path to the crtbeginS.o file includes a susoicious "i486"
10:08:38n1ssuspicious
10:08:56sideralwell, it's a sim build
10:09:22sideralseems to be an x86 32-bit vs 64-bit issue
10:09:34B4gderI don't think so, this is a pure 32bit box
10:09:50n1sah, it is 32 bit
10:10:18sideral"crtbeginS.o: file class ELFCLASS64"
10:10:34B4gderah indeed
10:10:43B4gderwhy would ld find that?
10:10:59B4gdermy compiler and ld work fine for other stuff
10:11:26sideralwrong compiler package? that path shouldn't have 64-bit object files
10:11:27B4gdergcc (Debian 4.6.0-10) 4.6.1 20110526 (prerelease) / GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.21.51.20110523
10:11:34B4gderit is not the wrong compiler
10:12:07sideralcheck which package the file belongs to
10:12:50B4gdernone...
10:12:56B4gderstrange
10:13:04B4gdergcc-4.6: /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.6/crtbeginS.o
10:13:10B4gderbut I have the /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.6.1/crtbeginS.o
10:13:20sideralperhaps a left-over from an earlier install?
10:13:28B4gdernah, symlink
10:13:31B4gderit is gcc 4.6
10:13:39B4gder /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.6.1 -> 4.6
10:13:48sideralah
10:14:52n1swhat does "file" say about the file
10:15:26B4gder /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.6.1/crtbeginS.o: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
10:16:04sideraleither file or binutils is lying :)
10:16:49B4gderand why does it only say that error on that specific ld?
10:17:31B4gderLD vorbis.codec
10:17:33B4gder/usr/bin/ld: /home/daniel/src/rockbox/buildmeown-sansa/apps/codecs/libtlsf.a(tlsf.o)(.text.ls_bit+0x5b): reloc against `.rodata': error 4
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10:18:01B4gdersomething is not fine
10:19:14sideralThe last batch of errors looks scary: " /usr/bin/ld: unknown operator '(' in complex symbol"
10:27:21B4gderand all of those errors at once makes me really wondering what the heck is going on
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10:28:37n1strying a sim build on my debian netbook (also 32 bit) i get the ELFCLASS error too
10:29:24B4gderwhat ld/binutils version?
10:29:40n1ssame as yours, current in sid
10:29:46B4gderok
10:35:10n1sgcc 4.5 gives the same error
10:37:01n1sso more likely caused by binutils i'd guess
10:37:10B4gderyes, that'd be my guess too
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11:04:21n1sbuilding with -fPIC -fvisibility=hidden like we do on 64 bit works fine, i wonder if there's a downside to it
11:06:30[Saint]every time you use it, you kill a kitten.
11:08:42n1sso it seems that for some reason gcc is screwing up in non pic mode and producing elf64 files ?!
11:09:04n1sor well binutils is screing up, not gcc
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12:08:39kugelamiconn: how does HWCODEC use audiobuf? especially with regards to voice
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12:28:29bluebrother-bothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12140 3Make various codec stuff static (patches, unconfirmed)
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13:01:03Tornen1s: -fPIC makes code bigger and slower... it shouldn't be needed to make things work if they aren't in shared libraries..
13:05:49n1shmm, plugins are compiled as shared
13:06:46n1sand gcc docs say that you should use -fpic or -fPIC when using -shared "For predictable results"
13:07:46n1sso maybe only plugins and codecs need it?
13:11:52*n1s tries
13:12:44kugelwell, codecs predictably crash if you run multiple rockbox instances :)
13:13:12Torneis this for the simulator?
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13:14:45n1sTorne: yeah
13:15:33n1snew binutils in debian won't link the 32 bit sims anymore
13:15:49Tornethen yes, the bits that are build shared should be -fPIC
13:16:04Tornei wasn't entirely sure what the effect of your diff was
13:16:41n1sit adds -fPIC and -fvisibility=hidden to everything, which made it work
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13:17:23n1sjust adding those flags to things built with -shared doesnt work or i did something wrong
13:17:27kugelwhat diff?
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13:17:41kugelahh :)
13:18:13Tornen1s: you need to add it to the compilation of all the source files for things which will eventually go into shared libraries
13:18:20Tornen1s: not just to the actual linker invocation with -shared
13:18:32Tornebut you shouldn' tneed to have it for compilation of files which won't go into shared libraries.
13:18:56n1sTorne: right, didn't look how SHARED_FLAG is used
13:19:50Tornehidden visibility is.. interesting
13:19:53Tornenot sure why that would be required.
13:20:10n1sthat's required for 64 bit, i just copied both of them
13:20:12Tornebut it shouldn't hurt as long as any symbols we call from the so's are exported.
13:20:19Torneit shouldn't be required on 64-bit either
13:20:36n1swithout it, we get some very interesting crashes
13:20:38Tornenormal unix shared libraries don't default symbols to hidden.
13:21:11n1sthen i suppose we do something wrong
13:21:12Tornedo codecs have functions whose names shadow things in libc/other libraries that the sim is linked to?
13:21:19Tornebecause that would explain it :)
13:21:21kugelour codecs aren't normal shared libraries :)
13:21:42Tornewell no.
13:21:48TorneIt's not bad or anything
13:21:59TorneIf it links and works with it then we must be exporting any symbols we care about :)
13:22:05Torneit's just a little odd
13:22:19n1si added it years ago and it's worked fine since then
13:22:47n1s64 bit sims build everything with -fPIC too
13:22:53kugelit's possible they shadow other symbols, lots of imported code :)
13:23:06Tornewell again, PIC doesn't break anything
13:23:10Tornebut it makes the code slower and bigger.
13:23:19Tornefor the sim we may not care :)
13:23:23n1si'm unsure if i care enough about slow and big sims to hack around it
13:23:26Tornebut you wouldn't want to introduce it anywhere else
13:25:11n1sthe place i added it is in simcc() that should only be used for sims, but i assume it is also used for RaaA on linux
13:26:22kugelprobably didn'T have SHARED_FLAGS back then
13:27:01n1sSHARED_FLAG doesn't help as it's only for linking
13:27:16Tornewell if we also build codecs as shared libs there then you'd ahve to do sometime.
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13:27:23Tornethe alternative to PIC ther would be "lol magic"
13:27:32Torneer, have to do something
13:27:38TornePIC is probably easier :)
13:28:14n1syes but it's more effort to make only the things that need PIC use it than just make everything use it :)
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13:30:19n1seither hacking codecs.make and plugins.make slightly or add more flags to the generated Makefile that they use
13:31:06n1sso SHARED_FLAG -> SHARED_LDFLAG and adding SHARED_CFLAGS
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13:45:41n1sit almost worked!
13:46:07n1sonly, doom decided to link a core file which made it break
13:46:49bluebrotherremove doom!
13:46:57bluebrother(that was asking for that ;-)
13:47:19n1sthe main sim and codecs seem fine though
13:48:52n1sthis is an amazing hack though, why include a file from the core in a plugin instead of just putting the thing in the plugin or just adding it to the core and using the api?
13:52:15amiconnStuff that's needed *only* in plugins should not bloat the core
13:52:48n1sbut why not put it in the pluginlib or the plugins themselves?
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13:56:22amiconnIs this about sscanf?
13:56:27n1syes
13:57:28amiconnIirc the idea was that it might be used in the core eventually, hence it has been put there in order to avoid duplication
13:57:59*amiconn thinks this should probably be changed
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14:00:07n1syeah, i think it should go to the pluginlib
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14:01:55n1sanyway, except for that the patch adding the flags only to codecs and plugins works
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14:06:17n1sbuilding wothout -fvisibility=hidden seems to make no difference, i can't remember how it used to crash though
14:18:00kugelIMO the whole C library should be build as an extra library which core, plugins and codecs link independantly
14:18:29kugelthe wrappers in the plugin- and codec-api regularly create problems
14:24:16gevaertsmaybe
14:24:44gevaertsAlthough on non-app builds, I'd say that libc might be implemented using such wrappers
14:24:51kugelit's especially strange for sim and app builds, where the actual functions are in the hosts C library anyway (so either you get them directly or through the apis)
14:28:23kugelgevaerts: that's even more call overhead, and it doesn't solve the probles the wrapper usually create; it's mostly the headers which clash with the api declaration
14:28:56kugelwe basically use reserved names there which is calling from problems
14:28:58gevaertsWell, non-app and non-sim
14:29:53gevaertskugel: I doubt we can afford the code duplication on lowmem, so we have to keep some sort of call-to-core there
14:30:20gevaertsMaybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean though
14:30:25kugelgevaerts: the apis would get smaller, giving more mem for the core
14:31:08n1swouldn't we need a dynamic linker to do that?
14:31:18kugeland remember, only the .o files which are actually used are linked it; many plugins would only link few (if any) files so the size increase should be usually negible
14:32:18kugel(the individual .o files are usually tiny in our libc)
14:33:20kugelnot to mention that linking independantly (and therefore including the appropriate headers instead of just plugin.h) is making things for porting stuff to rockbox
14:34:43kugelcode size of plugins was never a problem (did anyone even look at it for plugins?), not even on lowmem
14:35:03*gevaerts disagrees with that
14:35:14n1stotal memory usage for plugins is important
14:36:16gevaertsWell, rb->open() and friends have real problems for hosted builds, moving to (fully external libc-provided) open() would help a lot there. However, for non-hosted traditional builds there's no reason why open() couldn't call rb->open internally
14:36:45gevaertsWell, open() is a bad example, since it *has* to call rb->open() somehow
14:36:56gevaertsThings like strlcpy() are probably better examples
14:37:06gevaertsAnd that internal call can be inlined
14:42:34*kugel suspects the code size increase wouldn't be noticeable on most plugins, e.g. those which only call 1 or 2 string functions
14:43:23n1ssure but it still could make some plugin too big to fit on some target
14:43:29*gevaerts knows that some plugins for sh stop building due to lack of space when one merely switches compilers
14:46:00kugelit might also be possbile that code size actually decreases, since an api call needs a lot more instructions than a direct call
14:47:48kugelso for a sufficient number of calls linking directly might be smaller (and of course faster)
14:55:48kugelgevaerts: that would be 2 separate wrapper libraries (oen for codecs, one for plugins?)
14:58:37n1sthe extra cost of an api call is basically loading a pointer from an offset of the api pointer
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15:56:26JdGordonanyone want to comment on FS #11925 before i commit it?
15:56:27bluebrother-bothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11925 3Add a proper "current screen" system (patches, new)
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16:31:34JdGordondoes the manual distinguish between the normal menu's and the toplevel menu?
16:37:29JdGordonpixelma: bluebrother: I need to fix the %cs listing in the manual, it is now 15 options, is there a nice simple way to make a list for it in TeX?
16:37:51JdGordonor should i just fix it and let someone else make it look goood?
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16:41:50CIA-58New commit by 03jdgordon (r29944): FS #11925 - Add a proper system to keep track of the current screen/activity to make %cs far more useful
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16:46:06CIA-58r29944 build result: All green
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19:03:28kugelamiconn: did you see my earler question?
19:04:15amiconnahem
19:04:34amiconnOn hwcodec voice is loaded into the audio buffer while playback is stopped
19:04:59amiconnThis is mostly because of being lowmem - we just cannot set aside the voice buffer permanently
19:05:39amiconnBut since hwcodec can only play one audio stream at a time anyway, this is no loss
19:06:21kugelthere's no obvious control transfer
19:06:40amiconnAs for buffering, everything is done in mpeg.c. It's the playback engine as well as the recording engine (when MAS3587F is present)
19:07:25amiconnTransforming hwcodec to the new playback engine is still a todo
19:08:04kugelso voice is only loaded when playback is stopped, this is AFAICS the same on swcodec. but what about playing back?
19:08:17kugelonly one of voice or audio plays at a time?
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19:09:03amiconnYes - there is no other way
19:09:16kugelPerhaps I missed it, but who makes sure they don't happen in parallel?
19:09:20amiconnStarting playback throws the voice file out of ram
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19:10:09amiconnThere's a somewhat special handling on Ondios, in that the voice file isn't loaded at once, but memory wise that makes no difference
19:11:15amiconnOndios load each voice clip at first access. If it would load the whole file at once, there would be a ~5 second delay after playback before the voice starts talking
19:12:36kugelbut it (possibly) has the entire voice in memory?
19:12:59kugelI already wondered about VOICE_PROGRESSIVE_LOAD vs VOICE_PARTIAL_LOAD
19:14:48amiconnIirc mpeg.c calls talk_buffer_steal() when starting playback (regarding locking)
19:16:12amiconnYes, the in-memory layout of the voice file on the Ondios is exactly the same as on the other archoses, except that there are gaps for all clips which haven't been played after the last voice file reload
19:16:17kugelthe talk_* functions also check audio_status()
19:16:22kugel(which I saw just now)
19:16:53amiconnSo if on Ondio the voice file doesn't fit into ram, it won't work. There is no true partial file handling
19:17:34amiconnAh, this is what's called progressive load nowadays
19:17:46kugelI want to remove direct audiobuf accesses, so I looked how I could give an entity the control over the audiobuf, but this voice/audio handling confuses me
19:18:09amiconnThere's also recording to take into consideration
19:18:11kugelalso because it seemed different between hwcodec and swcodec, but now I realize it's mostly about memory size
19:19:19amiconnIt's not only memory size, but also "disk" speed
19:19:29kugelyes, that too
19:20:10*amiconn thinks the partial loading method could be ported to the Ondios
19:20:37amiconnIt would have the advantage that there's no hard limit for voice file size anymore, so one could even use a high quality voice
19:21:57kugelessentially, partial loads 64 clips, and then as needed after that (like progressive)
19:22:28kugelno hard limit, but it drops already loaded clips
19:23:15amiconn64 is the voice queue depth
19:26:09kugelit's also the size of the cache
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19:43:31kugelamiconn: so mpeg.c is in actual control, and someone has to stop playback if voice should be played
19:44:41amiconnSomeone == either the user, or playback ends
19:44:55kugelso no code does automatically?
19:45:03amiconnNo
19:45:12amiconnPlayback has priority over voice
19:45:17kugelgood to know
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20:22:31kugelfrom [[|TALK]|SCRATCH|BUFFERING|PCM|] to [BUFFERING|SCRATCH|[TALK|]PCM]?
20:23:05kugelpoint is, if compation should work nicely the audio buffer wants to be resizable
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20:23:45kugeltaking buffering away from the front, so that PCM and TALK can deal with dma without worring about buffer shortage
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20:40:25pamauryI had a quick look, did you add some mor e?
20:40:50kugelno
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20:50:21jhMikeSkugel: it should be pretty flexible
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20:54:07kugelamiconn: I don't see talk_buffer_steal() being called from mpeg.c
20:54:34jhMikeSkugel: Must admit to wondering what the advantage is to the second
20:55:39kugeljhMikeS: the buffering portion should be the easiest to resize
20:56:02kugeltalk and pcm deal with dma so they can't easily be resized or moved
20:56:37kugelso if one does buflib_alloc(), and the audio buffer needs to be shrinked to allow the allocation, the layout should make that most easy
20:58:42jhMikeSbuffering sure needs to be redone though
20:59:41jhMikeSwhy not allocate scratch from buflib?
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21:02:12kugelbuffering doesn't necessarily need to be redone IIUC
21:02:33jhMikeSIf I get the mixer in soon enough, the voice pcm and beep pcm buffers can be dynamic too
21:02:34amiconnOn hwcodec buffering and "pcm" is all the same - mpeg.c playback - and it uses dma too
21:02:55kugelanyway, resizing also means enlarging the buffer if something was freed in the meantime which works best for buffering
21:03:08kugeljhMikeS: but they may not move, no?
21:03:14jhMikeSkugel: the data it carries about handles is based on thing mod the buffer size (if it's a differnt size things won't be right)
21:03:28amiconnI'm not sure about the call chain that leads to talk_buffer_steal() when starting playback on hwcodec
21:03:34jhMikeSkugel: they can if the beep or voice is idle, sure
21:04:06kugelbut not at all times
21:04:47kugelamiconn: it looks like it just starts playing and hopes voice gets it right (it checks audio_status() with each voice/talk request)
21:05:35kugeljhMikeS: well, if it isn't too risky to race with dma, then sure they can be dynamic too
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21:09:22kugelamiconn: I'm looking for a proper place to reset the buffer prior to starting playback
21:09:56jhMikeSkugel: right now it's less flexible that it would be
21:10:24kugelwhat do you mean?
21:11:21kugelamiconn: playlist_start() maybe?
21:12:36jhMikeSwith the mixer, the channels use independent buffers and one knows when the channel is operating but right now, what it's using depends on if it's mixing or not because audio is playing or not
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21:16:21jhMikeSbut I do know the audio buffer can't just be resized without throwing a bunch of index data out of whack
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21:21:53kugelbut it's still easier to use the buffering buffer for resizing
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21:48:11kugelamiconn: it looks like language loading slightly bugged on hwcodec
21:50:26kugelah no, only if there was VOICE_PARTIAL_LOAD
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23:18:17NoPinkyI have a kind of bricked 8gb sansa clip+ lying around
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23:20:18NoPinkywhen I plug the clip+ to the pc via usb it is recognised correctly, even the microsd drive is shown
23:20:46NoPinkybut not even the original sansa system would load
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