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#rockbox log for 2011-06-03

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00:47:11*[Saint] wonders if the 480X800 user font (lists, .sbs...everything but the .wps) couldn't stand to be a hair bigger.
00:48:00[Saint]currently it's at 46pt...I can go to 50pt without making a new font (so there's 48 and 50 to go if it does need to be bigger still)
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01:55:03JdGordon[Saint]: AlexP: Youd' proabbly have to bug kugel for slide actions in the wps, I dont know how to do that
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01:55:26JdGordon[Saint]: also, for the volume popup, a mute button would be nice
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02:00:55kugelwhy should I know how to do it?
02:02:32JdGordonyou did it in the lists
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05:42:37[Saint]JdGordon: FOr the volume pop-up, I'm in the process of adding three more touch areas/"buttons" to the pop-up panel.
05:42:57[Saint]"-" "mute" and "+"
05:43:02JdGordoncool
05:43:45[Saint]also some form of text that makes it immediately obvious what it's for. "VOLUME" or something equally bland and obvious ;)
05:45:30[Saint]In a discussion with AlexP, I've decided that the volume icon itself should trigger the volume pop-up panel...and at some stage after that I'll completely change the actions of the right pop-up tab's panel.
05:46:09[Saint]Something that mimics the left panel, so....Hotkey, Playlist (perhaps, and <other?>.
05:46:18[Saint](open for suggestion here)
05:48:28JdGordonnot sure
05:48:38JdGordonI want hotkey on the sbs more than changes to the wps :)
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06:12:14S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: I can't figure out where to put it.
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06:12:23S_a_i_n_tre: Hotkey on the .sbs
06:12:39*S_a_i_n_t guesses he'll figure something out.
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06:18:47JdGordon[Saint]: plenty of wasted space in the playback control area
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06:30:12JdGordon[Saint]: also, for some fun, it owuld be nice if you could press the next track area (or AA perhaps?) and have it show a different set of info about the track
06:30:28JdGordonuse skin vars for this, each press just advances the screen
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07:26:09*JdGordon thinks about adding some sort of mapping from a skin variable to a (viewport) label...
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07:27:10JdGordon%?vg(x)<%Vd(A)|%Vd(B)|%Vd(C)> is yuck..... %Vd(%vg(x)) is much neater
07:27:42JdGordoneven if it has to be %Vd(%?vg(x)<A|B|C>)
07:28:05*JdGordon thinks the parser would die with that sort of thing though
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07:44:13d1337rI'm sorry, but which player would you recommend me to buy if I am totally going to install rockbox on it?
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07:51:39d1337rLooks like the Sansa Fuze will be a nice one, isn't it?
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08:47:51GodEater[Saint]: u there?
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09:02:44GodEaterdoes anyone know why [Saint]'s new theme appears to warrant a new build of rockbox too? Or is that just for people who can't build their own?
09:03:30AlexPGodEater: He's also shoved a load of patches in there
09:03:38GodEaterthat do what?
09:03:42AlexPAny new svn on its own should be fine for the theme though
09:03:48AlexPOther unrelated stuff
09:04:18AlexPHe should split them IMO, but I just grabbed the theme and built current SVN which works fine
09:04:30GodEaterah- the forum thread lists the patches
09:04:37GodEaterand you're right - he SHOULD seperate them
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09:28:55[Saint]GodEater: And yes, each build I have put is is due to particular changes in svn that are required for the theme to work.
09:29:13[Saint]Unless you have a build that is at least that revision or higher, it won't work.
09:30:10[Saint]what're you talking about I *should* split them also....?!?
09:30:23[Saint]If you want just the theme, it's there, on the same thread.
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09:37:51[Saint]If it's regarding the patches specifically, at least 4 of them I class as "essential" for the RaaA port...the others are just my personal preference, I just put the build up there because it's an all inclusive build with the theme included, and a voicefile, mostly aimed at people who can't build for themselves/those relying on the builds kugel_ puts up from time to time on his wiki page.
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09:59:55HaimNHi, there is some way to view wikipedia in rockbox except the patch wikiviewer (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755?type=4) ?
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10:00:27[Saint]HaimN: No.
10:00:37gevaertsIf you mean a practical way, no
10:00:57[Saint]Well, yeah...there is that ;)
10:01:00gevaertsYou could export it all to text files, but that's not going to be very useful
10:01:52[Saint]bluebrother: Just so you know, based from your comment about it and your screenshots, I've slightly increased the text size of the userfont (lists, menus, everything but the .wps) and moved the position of the UI viewport up ~20 pix or so.
10:02:00[Saint]you were right, it was too low.
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10:05:44HaimNok, thanks!
10:08:49amiconnn1s: Did you see that core is built with -Os on coldfire?
10:09:07n1samiconn: yes i know
10:09:28*amiconn didn't know
10:09:46n1swe discussed it quite a bit when we switched compilers
10:10:01amiconnOr maybe I just don't remember
10:11:10n1si think we decided to leave it like this if it didn't cause any problems
10:11:40amiconnIt saves even more than on arm, which is interesting
10:12:02n1sit is hard to bench differences in the core though, since most of the performance critical stuff is asm anyway
10:13:10n1samiconn: if you are looking on the speex thing, that's probably because it was built with -O2 on non arm before, and the -Os arms use thumb
10:13:47n1swell, the voice codec, the regular speex codec was not changed
10:13:49amiconn(somewhat related) I think it might be a good idea to upgrade the SH gcc
10:14:00amiconnNeeds testing, of course
10:14:47n1syeah, probably
10:15:18amiconnAtm it uses the oldest gcc version of all archs
10:15:43amiconnMips is at 4.1.x though, which is nearly as old
10:16:09gevaertsThe problem with mips is that we don
10:16:12amiconnDoes mips get any testing these days?
10:16:17gevaertst really have an active developer
10:17:04bertrikwhat targets run mips?
10:17:09n1sonda
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10:26:01swildeHi *, I just got an used Sansa e200 v2, now I want to install rockbox but I cant find "USB-mode" in the seetings menu! :(
10:30:10gevaertsI know that on the e200v1, some firmware versions didn't have that option. No idea about the v2 though
10:30:54swildegevaerts: and is there anything one can do in that case?
10:31:03bertrikI think my sansa clip+ goes into MSC mode when you hold the center button, maybe there's something similar for e200v2 too
10:31:17gevaertsswilde: well, install a different version would work
10:31:35bertrik(hold center while booting by plugging the USB cable in)
10:33:11swildebertrik: no luck, still "Sansa e200v2 series in MTP mode found!"
10:33:35bertrikApparently there's another trick for e200v2, see our wiki page http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaE200v2
10:33:46swildestrange enough, the manual describes the USB mode setting...
10:35:59mc2739der42omyk needs banning on the forum
10:36:17swildebertrik: I'm trying..
10:36:30bluebrothersounda like a bug in the manual then
10:37:24gevaertsmc2739: done
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11:00:00swildeHeureka! Rockbox is up and running!
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11:11:17HaimNHi, anyone know the code of the patch, wikiviewer? I want to add support for RTL languages ​​(right alignment instead of left alignment) and I do not know where to find the part that displays the text in the player, and change the alignment to right.
11:11:26HaimNthis patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/4755
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11:25:55gevaertsHaimN: I don't think many people here know that particular code
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11:53:31PeddyI'm trying to reconnect the scroll wheel of my Sansa Fuze, and it's very difficult to get all buttons working. Does anyone have advice?
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11:56:15[Saint]Use some long-nosed, insulated tweezers to re-insert the ribon into the ZIF adapter.
11:56:31[Saint]*ribbon
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11:57:24PeddyI can actually get the ribbon all the way into the adapter, the scroll wheel lights turn on (and flicker sometimes), but the buttons don't work :/
11:57:41[Saint](whilst making sure that the (brown or black, can be both) tab on the ZIF if flipped up.)
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11:58:05[Saint]Then make sure that you close the latch on the ZIF with the ribbon firmly inserted all the way before closing the case up.
11:58:18[Saint]make sure you test that all buttons are working before you close it up.
11:59:03[Saint]If, after this, and you're *sure* you have the ribbon seated in the ZIF correctly, it's possible that you may have damaged the ribbon cable while opening the device.
11:59:50PeddyI actually have 3 scroll wheels, none of them are working :/
11:59:56PeddyI hope the device itself isn't damaged
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12:00:08PeddyI'll play around more with tweezers. Yesterday it worked fine
12:00:51[Saint]There really is a very fine margin to seat the ribbon correctly.
12:01:12Peddyare the chances that I broke the ZIF adapter itself small? I mean the contacts inside the adapter
12:01:27[Saint]the Fuze('es) are bastards to get back togetehr, there's really not a lot of space to play with when getting the front face back on.
12:02:03PeddyI actually separated the spare scroll wheels from their faces
12:02:09[Saint]The chances you broke the adapter are fairly small, yes, but you may have dislodged one of its contacts from the mainboard.
12:02:26[Saint]*s/one/one or more/
12:02:31Peddy>.> I'll do a continuity check if my multimeter can fit
12:04:33Peddynope, it's too clunky. I'll try the other wheels. V1 and V2 wheels are compatible, right?
12:05:24[Saint]It's best to just try and make sure that the ZIP latch is flipped right up, insert the ribbon into the ZIF as far as it can go with some insulated tweezers, then flip the ZIF latch all the way down as far as it can go with a small screwdriver or something while still applying slight pressure in the direction of insertion on the ribbon.
12:05:38[Saint]as for whather V1/2 wheels are compatible...no idea.
12:05:45[Saint]*whether
12:06:34Peddywoo, the latch/adapter on the mainboard isn't broken! got it working with a spare wheel
12:06:50Peddymm, I'll try pushing the latch down further
12:08:17Peddythanks for your help, btw >.> it can get very frustrating
12:08:37Peddyi have a whole pile of units with broken LCD latches
12:08:56[Saint]I'm a patient man, with steady hands and a nice set of "spare hands" with a magnifying glass and a nice range of precision tools at my disposal...and it took me a good hour or so to get my clickwheel working properly on my Fuze after I removed a busted LCD from it ;)
12:09:23[Saint]I know how much of a royal PITA this is, so I don't mind helping ;D
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12:10:24Peddy;D well, if you ever need a spare LCD let me know, because I have some just lying around. Ooh, i'll grab my spare hands! what's the risk in using uninsulated tweezers?
12:11:09Peddyscroll wheel working... still not buttons :/
12:11:14Peddyno*
12:16:46Peddyhow easy is it to scratch the contacts off the ribbon cable? O:
12:16:58[Saint]Funnily enough...I do need a spare LCD...
12:17:18Peddyhahaha, for shipping, it's yours.
12:17:29[Saint]re: scratching the contacts off the ribbon, no idea sorry.
12:18:01[Saint]if you PM me your email address I'll email you at some stage regarding the LCD.
12:19:08Peddywow, upon opening your PM window I saw your hostname - you're in New Zealand too?
12:19:38[Saint]Yep....creepy ;)
12:19:42[Saint]Christchurch.
12:19:43Peddythat makes shipping a lot cheaper ;)
12:19:52PeddyAuckland :3
12:20:05Peddydamn, so you can't come over to help me with my scroll wheel
12:20:16GodEateryeah he can, it's just a long walk is all ;)
12:20:25Peddyand a swim
12:20:38GodEaterI've always assumed that since he's saintly he can walk on water
12:20:45GodEaterI could be wrong of course
12:21:00[Saint]Hah! It's a name, not my nature ;)
12:21:14GodEaterTrue. Your nature is more demonic
12:21:25Peddysays godeater
12:21:59*GodEater has given up explaining his nick origin
12:22:11*Peddy already knows
12:22:41*Peddy 's name is quite self-explanatory
12:22:53GodEaterit is?
12:23:18[Saint]Back to the scrollwheel...I really don't have a heck of a lot more advice than "It's a real sonnoffabitch to get that teeny, tiny, little ribbon seated in the ZIF...and they give you approximately 1cm of ribbon to play with, which only makes matters worse"
12:23:27*[Saint] hopes it isn't...
12:23:56Peddywell, you've given me hope
12:24:05Peddyand that's all I need. or something
12:24:14Peddydo they listen to brostep in christchurch too?
12:24:29*GodEater recalls a "Tim nice but dim" sketch at a party. Tim : "So what do you do?", Person "I'm a paedeatrician.", Tim: "Well I can't say I approve, but I admire your honesty"
12:25:01Peddythat is funny
12:25:04Peddyis it like PedoEater?
12:25:13Peddypaedeatricians eat paedophiles
12:25:40*[Saint] mumbles something about a topic... ;)
12:26:14Peddyoh god it's so loose
12:26:17Peddyeven when i push it in harder
12:26:22Peddyi think i need to apply more paste
12:26:33*GodEater backs hurriedly away from the conversation
12:26:52Peddythe latch won't tighten ;_;
12:27:06Peddythe cable isn't actually staying rigid
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12:27:28[Saint]"paste"?
12:27:43Peddysolder paste
12:28:13[Saint]if you're applying any form of conductive grease....that's *probably* the problem. If it's non-cunductive, that could well be the problem too.
12:28:27PeddyI re-did the headphone jack, which is why I opened it in the first place
12:28:39PeddyI'm keeping the grease away from the other slit thing
12:29:11[Saint]AH, right...different part of the player. I was thinking "paste in the ZIF socket for the wheel?!? wtf!?!" ;)
12:29:41Peddyhaha, I'm silly but not to that extent!
12:29:52PeddyI think I'm going to spend the whole night fiddling with it, I have to have my things work >.>
12:29:59Peddyeven though I have another perfectly good fuze
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12:44:39lateniteHi folks, I have a sansa clip with rockbox on it. When QUICKLY changing the headphone (on a mixer in 0.1sec) the player RECOGNIZES the change of OHM on the headphonejack and: STOPS PLAYING for like 0.4sec. Can I make it stop doingt that playback pause.???
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13:10:33Peddylatenite, does it happen in the official firmware too?
13:14:25lateniteNo clue since I dont have it on anymore...
13:14:29latenite:/
13:14:46lateniteis there a feature to turn of "headphone unplug detect" ?
13:15:03Peddylatenite, you can boot the original firmware by holding down left button (<<) and then pressing power
13:15:16lateniteok let me test...
13:15:34[Saint]latenite: Installing Rockbox doesn't remove the original firmware, fwiw.
13:15:59[Saint](the manual clearly describes dual-booting)
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13:17:33latenitetested it..it stops playing for 0.5sec on both firmwares
13:17:59[Saint]I suspect it's a HW issue then, and totally unavoidable.
13:18:01lateniteso is it a hardware issue then?
13:18:33latenitewell If it wasn't a hardware issue....one might get the software to NOT pause playing
13:19:00[Saint]There's pretty clear evedence that it is HW, though.
13:19:29[Saint]if two different firmwares with completely different code run into the exact same issue...it's fairly safe to call it a HW issue.
13:19:35Peddysaratoga says there is no headphone detection on the Clip+
13:20:49latenitelike what is evidenc? Could it not also be a featuer of the software??
13:21:41[Saint]the evidence is that you said it behaved the exact same way in both firmwares...two firmwares that are completely different and seperate from oneanother.
13:22:03Peddyit doesn't really sound like a feature to me
13:22:16PeddyI mean, who would want that behaviour
13:22:30[Saint]I'd find it hard to believe that it would be intentionally added, and if it *could* be worked around...it probably would've been.
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13:22:58[Saint]in the case of both the OF and RB...it doesn't sound like something you'd *want* to happen.
13:23:43Peddylatenite, there's no "pause on headphone removal" setting in rockbox for that player, is there?
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13:28:07bertrikI think the HW has a feature to mute the headphones for some time if it detects a short circuit
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13:29:55[Saint]Peddy: No, there's no way for ROckbox to detect that the headphones have been plugged/unplugged for that target.
13:30:01[Saint]*Rockbox too
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13:30:46bertrikwe can detect one of the two events (either plug, or unplug), I don't remember which one exactly
13:31:07[Saint]Oh? Hmmm.
13:31:19[Saint]"HAVE_HEADPHONE_DETECT isn't defined for it.
13:32:58[Saint]*HAVE_HEADPHONE_DETECTION, too
13:35:48bertrikThe datasheet says the over-current mute time is configureable between 0 ms and 512 ms, but I can't find the specific bit for this.
13:37:21latenitebertrik, ohh please that would be too cool
13:37:46latenitesee I have this tool http://pokketmixer.com/
13:38:15lateniteand when switching "listen button" from left to right...
13:38:40latenitethe sansa clip detects that and stops playinf for 0.5 sec
13:39:15lateniteso the audiance can can't hear music for a short time. Which is REALY bad for DJing
13:39:47latenitebertrik, Is there a way to cut over-current mute to 0ms?
13:39:58bertriklatenite, I can't find it in the data sheet
13:40:24bertrikthe cause of this problem seems to be the mixer that causes an over-current for a short time
13:41:42latenitebertrik, which mixer do you mean? sorry I am not that of a pro :)
13:41:55bertrikthe external mixer
13:42:11bertrikwhatever you connect to the headphone output of the clip
13:44:42lateniteso in "my words" my pokketmixer creates voltage that makes my sansaclip mute (as a lets call it safety measure)
13:44:48latenitelike that???
13:46:03bertrikit could be something like that, or perhaps the act of plugging the headphones plug in causes a very short over-current
13:46:35lateniteBUT this 0.5s playback pause can also be produced ONLY by quickly unpluging and repluging headphones.....THEN the sound also stops for 0.5sec
13:47:15lateniteso is there a way to make the clip "ignore" the over-current?
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13:48:54bertrikno, I don't think so as far as I can see in the data sheet
13:49:27latenitecan you link me the datasheet please ?
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13:54:07latenitebertrik, I cant find it...what datasheet do you mean?
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15:11:41bertriklatenite, google for "as3543 datasheet" (the third link has the datasheet, at least for me)
15:11:59bertrikoh, is this a clip v1 or a clip v2 / clip+ ?
15:14:20bertrikon the clip v1, it looks like we can set the over-current timeout between 0 ms and 256 ms (256 ms being the default)
15:31:29latenitethe i hvae both clips :)
15:31:50latenitecan you tell me how to set the over-current timeout ?
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16:16:52boscopwhere can I find detailed hardware documentation about the Sansa Sandisk Clip+?
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16:17:24Torneboscop: on our wiki, possibly. if not there then in our sourcecode. otherwise nowhere ;)
16:17:34TorneDatasheets exist for osme of the components and are probably linked from the port page
16:17:47Tornebut for the hardware as a whole, any docs are what we wrote :)
16:17:58latenitebertrik, is there a way to make the playback delay stop?
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19:39:20Panasonicgood evening!
19:40:00PanasonicWhat devices will be supported soon?
19:40:08Panasonicbeside Android
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19:46:52Panasonicits because i am preparing a port to a sony WQVGA device
19:47:46gevaertsWell, that probably means a sony WQVGA device will be supported soon :)
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19:51:53Panasonicyou have no themes for 400 x 240 pixels
19:53:19saratogayou'd have to make your own
19:53:49B4gdergetting a theme is probably one of your smallest problems for a new port
19:53:52Panasonicis that easy to learn?
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19:55:33Panasonici downloaded service manual and CPU datasheets already
19:57:40AlexPforget about the theme for now
19:57:58B4gderPanasonic: focus on getting code running
19:58:41Panasonichow should i start?
19:59:01Panasonici tried to find a firmware update
19:59:18B4gderhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort
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20:02:49Panasonichow to dump the OF?
20:03:24B4gderit depends on your target
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20:16:50Panasonici dont find a anything on it that looks like it contains OF
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20:44:18B4gderwe should perhaps update the info on the front page about what we're up to right now
20:45:30Zagorgo go go!
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20:50:24b1uebrothersomeone put pizza on the front page!
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21:05:59stripwaxi'm downstairs....
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21:06:42stripwaxGodEater, ping!
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21:32:22SzeraaxSo I'm trying to build my own Rockbox, and have been going through the instructions on the website, but am somewhat lost on what to do next. I have successfully installed and configured Cygwin, but am unsure if my next step is to do something with cross-compilers, or get the source for rockbox.
21:33:04SzeraaxThe cross-compilers guide page says to run the rockboxdev.sh out of the tools dir, which I assume to mean that I need to get the src first?
21:33:17B4gderSzeraax: correct
21:34:00Szeraaxso I just ran "$ svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox" a few moments ago (off the HowtoCompile page)
21:34:06SzeraaxIs that my proper course to follow?
21:36:07wtachisaratoga: ping
21:36:28saratogawtachi: pong
21:36:31saratogahow goes it?
21:36:43wtachifour cleanup patches in FS
21:37:12wtachiI've realized working on more refactoring isn't going to contribute much to my project
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21:38:56saratogaregarding the libcook changes, they look ok to me, but you might want to ping stripwax
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21:40:07wtachistripwax: ping
21:40:31wtachisaratoga: so, the next step is to get a library and test program compiled
21:40:37saratogasounds good
21:40:43wtachiafter my overdue weekly update
21:40:49saratogathe clean up so far looks good, and if we have time later we can always do more
21:41:53saratogahave you looked at FS #10243 ?
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21:41:55bluebrother-bothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10243 3Codec executor (patches, unconfirmed)
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21:42:14saratogaits a very simple and not quite working attempt to run the codecs outside of rockbox
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21:44:35SzeraaxB4gder: So do I need to do anything with the cross compilers page? Such as run that one config script once I have all the src, or do I just follow along with the HorToCompile guide?
21:44:53Szeraax(rockboxdev.sh )
21:46:06saratogadid you see this: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevelopmentGuide
21:47:21saratogabasically though rockboxdev.sh is part of the source, so you'll need to get it first, (unless you use something like vmware that comes with teh compilers already installed)
21:47:31saratogawtachi: still there?
21:47:36wtachisaratoga: yes
21:47:41Szeraaxsaratoga: That one has been most helpful, ...AND it seems under closer inspection, that yes, I should do ahead and do the rockboxdev.sh after I get the src
21:48:00SzeraaxHehe, <−−Dumb.
21:48:23wtachisaratoga: that's going to help, thanks
21:48:30saratogawtachi: so looking at that old code, its probably not too hard to get the codecs to compile out side of rockbox (ignoring things like metadata, having an api, etc)
21:48:45saratogaso thats probably a good first step (and a very useful one)
21:49:15saratogai would start by getting each codec to decode one of our test files to wav and verifying that the output is correct
21:49:26saratogaat least for the major codecs, i dont expect you to hunt down every last format to test
21:50:15wtachisaratoga: actually, I already did that for all but smaf and wmapro :p
21:50:26saratogaoh nice
21:50:32saratogawhats different about WMApro?
21:51:04wtachiffmpeg doesn't have an encoder for it, and I haven't tried on Windows yet
21:51:41saratogawe've got test files: http://download.rockbox.org/test_files/wmapro_141k.wma
21:52:19saratoga(ideally you shouldn't have to encode anything although we might be missing some things)
21:53:06wtachiI just wanted to find encoders, and use a more pleasant song
21:53:12saratogahaha
21:53:18saratogayeah i really hate that song
21:53:24saratogalistened to it so many times over the years
21:53:43saratoganow i tend to check the output by comparing to PCM whenever possible
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