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| 00:34:25 | pixelma | n1s: stripwax was there in Friday IIR/UC |
| 00:35:19 | n1s | pixelma: thanks, i managed to answer one of my questions to him myself |
| 00:36:01 | n1s | the other one was basically if he plans to do anything with FS #10071 or if it should be closed |
| 00:36:02 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10071 Trying out Tremolo optimisations for tremor on ARM (patches, unconfirmed) |
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| 00:41:27 | [Saint] | GodEater: ping? |
| 00:42:27 | [Saint] | (since you don't like the DroidSans/-Bold font in particular...is it ok/fair for me to task you with finding a (or a couple of) .ttf fonts you *do* like?) |
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| 00:43:10 | [Saint] | the better the character support...the...better ;) |
| 00:44:10 | * | [Saint] wonders if others have a suggestion on this. |
| 00:44:31 | [Saint] | AlexP: kugel: ^? |
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| 00:46:04 | [Saint] | I quite like DejaVa Sans, and Ubuntu fonts myself. |
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| 00:48:24 | [Saint] | bluebrother: what about yourself...any font preferences that say "cabbie/RaaA" to you? |
| 00:49:38 | [Saint] | something where licensing isn't a problem, obviously...I don't have millions of bucks to spend on fonts ;) |
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| 00:55:34 | [Saint] | by way of design and conditionals...I no longer have to do any fancy blocking of the popups to prevent one opening on top of the other. I _think_. |
| 00:56:40 | [Saint] | It *could* still happen that one could open the volume popup overtop of the context/filebrowser/quickscreen popup...but I would assume that's not *too* much of a problem as it might even be wanted. |
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| 00:59:27 | [Saint] | (you might want to change the volume before the other popup has timed out perhaps...? bah, dunno. I might have to come up with a way to block this from happening if it gets annoying. It's not possible to do the reverse anymore and open the files popup overtop of the volume popup and have them both dissappear until they've timed out) |
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| 01:15:49 | bluebrother | [Saint]: I don't have any special problems with DroidSans. The spacing is bad but I guess this related to the convttf cinversion |
| 01:16:05 | * | [Saint] nods. |
| 01:16:16 | bluebrother | other from that I like the DejaVu font famuly a lot |
| 01:17:08 | [Saint] | I might swing in that direction then, and yeah...you're correct, there was no option to force fixed width numerals in convttf when I converted the fonts originally. |
| 01:17:42 | bluebrother | so as long as the spacing issue is fixed and it has a license that allows us to redistribute it I don't mind using DroidSans |
| 01:17:50 | [Saint] | also, it didn't seem to respect a few params in its earlier days, so font height and char spacing was a bit of a gamble. |
| 01:18:15 | bluebrother | though I think using DejaVu would be nice |
| 01:19:03 | [Saint] | GodEater has some form of aversion to the DroidSans family...and I'm in "keep everyone happy" mode. |
| 01:19:47 | [Saint] | So, I'll give DejaVu a try....I might also make an Ubuntu test-font too to see how it looks. |
| 01:20:02 | bluebrother | then try DejaVu :) |
| 01:21:11 | [Saint] | I've also dropped the tabs as well...the popups are still there, but I figured out a better (?) way of launching them, whilst cutting back on doubled-up touch areas. |
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| 01:21:52 | [Saint] | (there was some concern at the tabs making people attempt to "swipe" the screen...so, removing them fixes this I guess ;)) |
| 01:22:54 | [Saint] | the volume icon launches the volume pop-up/mute, and the current track info launches the filebrowser/context menu/quickscreen pop-up. |
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| 01:52:37 | [Saint] | Ok...right, I just need to convert the font (I'll do both Ubuntu and DejaVu and probably put in a .cfg to switch between the two easily for reference) and then I'll put up new links on my theme's thread for the scrutiny of those interested. |
| 01:53:01 | [Saint] | ...I might not get time to do the font until I get home, though. So a few hours. |
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| 06:02:40 | JdGordon | [Saint]: you've got rid of the tab buttons? |
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| 08:07:40 | webguest_ru | hi all |
| 08:08:43 | webguest_ru | quick question, if linux install tool said my fancy "apple ipod classic 6th gen" not supported, does it really means it? I mean, any betas, or "unstable" available? |
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| 08:20:48 | timccc | webguest_ru: freemyipod.org |
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| 08:49:01 | webguest_ru | timccc thnks!! |
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| 09:31:29 | [Saint] | JdGordon: Yep. |
| 09:31:48 | JdGordon | and replace them with what? |
| 09:31:56 | * | JdGordon tihnks they look good and people trying to swipe are idiots :D |
| 09:32:13 | [Saint] | as per mailing list discussion, apparently th use case doesn't match the expected behaviour. |
| 09:32:57 | [Saint] | I haven't gotten rip of them completely...I mean, I still have that theme floating around. I'm just now trying to work on an alternative version. |
| 09:33:41 | [Saint] | I need to find better/the right magic for the skin vars to block both popups from opening at the same time. |
| 09:34:01 | JdGordon | that would be my "best practices" email i'm working on |
| 09:34:21 | [Saint] | "best practices"? |
| 09:34:28 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.com/dhA6mr78 |
| 09:34:42 | * | JdGordon back in 30 |
| 09:34:56 | * | [Saint] nods |
| 09:36:05 | * | [Saint] *still* doesn't see the issue with single letter identifiers. |
| 09:37:31 | [Saint] | the only reason I need "word based" identifiers would be if I happened to need 52+ identifiers. |
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| 09:59:13 | sfranky | hi everyone! |
| 09:59:34 | sfranky | is anyone watching? |
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| 10:00:12 | n1s | there are lots of people in here, do you have a question? |
| 10:00:21 | sfranky | i would seriously appreciate some help... i can't install rockbox on an ipod nano 2g, i have tried everything |
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| 10:00:49 | sfranky | I install it, and then it freezes after 1-2 sec |
| 10:01:28 | sfranky | I have formatted it, restored it, uninstalled the bootloader and reinstalled it, but it's always the same.. one or two times I even saw garbled graphics |
| 10:01:59 | n1s | so, after installing the bootloader the ipod freezes? |
| 10:02:23 | sfranky | after completing the whole installation, and unplugging it from usb, it loads, and then freezes |
| 10:02:37 | sfranky | I see the main menu, I scroll up and down a bit and then boom |
| 10:02:52 | n1s | if you then reset it, what happens? |
| 10:03:00 | sfranky | there's one thing i don't get... I read in the website that I m supposed to encrypt rockbox.ipod into rockbox.ipodx from *within* the ipod... I never have the chance to do it |
| 10:03:02 | GodEater | sounds like you *can* install it, just that it doesn't like working much. |
| 10:03:02 | sfranky | the same |
| 10:03:18 | sfranky | yes, I mean I can't have a working installation |
| 10:03:33 | sfranky | any ideas? |
| 10:03:37 | sfranky | ah sorry |
| 10:03:43 | n1s | sfranky: you shouldn't need to encrypt anything unless you compiled your own bootloader |
| 10:04:00 | sfranky | some times it says "undefined instruction at <00000000> , where that could be anything reallly |
| 10:04:06 | sfranky | Ah, no I didn't |
| 10:04:07 | n1s | sfranky: it works fine in the Original Firmware? |
| 10:04:10 | sfranky | yes |
| 10:04:43 | sfranky | today I used itunes' restore function |
| 10:05:12 | sfranky | and I got a new set of errors at the end of rockbox's installation (after reboot), but it soon started doing the exact same things again after 1-2 resetes |
| 10:05:13 | n1s | i'd recommend asking TheSeven, he's the main guy for nano2g |
| 10:05:50 | sfranky | I don't think he's really here now though.. |
| 10:06:05 | n1s | are you doing the installation with rbutil or manually? |
| 10:06:11 | sfranky | rbutil |
| 10:06:19 | GodEater | that's the way IRC works sadly - we can't all be here all the time |
| 10:06:21 | sfranky | I tried installing the bootloader with ipodpatcher |
| 10:06:26 | sfranky | yes i know |
| 10:06:41 | sfranky | also, rbutil always says I already have the bootloader installed |
| 10:06:49 | sfranky | even if I restore the ipod to the factory defaults |
| 10:06:59 | sfranky | though nothing shows up in the info tab |
| 10:07:28 | n1s | IIRC itunes restore doesn't remove the bootloader |
| 10:07:33 | sfranky | oops |
| 10:07:54 | sfranky | didn't know that... anyway I tried with ipodpatcher and it seemed to work, but I still get the same message from rbutil |
| 10:08:22 | n1s | hmm, strange |
| 10:08:24 | sfranky | and the first error I got when fresh installing today was stack underflow viewport manager something |
| 10:08:31 | sfranky | but that never came up again |
| 10:09:54 | sfranky | I hate the ipod UI, I was given one second had as a gift, and I m trying to make it look like my old iriver h140 :( |
| 10:10:35 | n1s | getting different errors like this indicates some corruuption IMO, so there could be something about the hw in your ipod that differs slightly from the ones that have been tested that we don't handle correctly somehow |
| 10:10:54 | sfranky | ok, sounds reasonable |
| 10:11:13 | sfranky | is there anything else i can try? |
| 10:11:42 | n1s | nothing that comes to mind except asking TheSeven |
| 10:11:56 | sfranky | but he's not available... |
| 10:12:01 | sfranky | i ll try another time then |
| 10:12:10 | sfranky | thanks very much n1s! |
| 10:12:23 | n1s | no problem, i hope you get it working |
| 10:12:35 | sfranky | me too!! i love my rockbox |
| 10:14:08 | sfranky | byebye |
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| 10:15:38 | sfranky | n1s: sorry, one last thing |
| 10:15:57 | sfranky | isn't the rockbox.ipod in the .rockbox dir supposed to be rockbox.ipodx?? |
| 10:16:49 | n1s | no |
| 10:17:25 | sfranky | ok so this is also true only for the custom bootloader builds |
| 10:17:26 | n1s | if the encryption was the problem it wouldn't work for a second and then hang |
| 10:17:54 | sfranky | oh right |
| 10:18:08 | n1s | well, the bootloader needs to be encrypted |
| 10:18:33 | n1s | it's flashed though so it doesn't really keep a filename |
| 10:18:46 | sfranky | got it |
| 10:18:54 | sfranky | so it's really not something I m doing wrong... |
| 10:19:27 | sfranky | anyway, thanks a lot |
| 10:19:28 | sfranky | byebye |
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| 10:42:34 | * | TheSeven extends his ears |
| 10:43:58 | TheSeven | well, this sounds like some picky device that doesn't like our undervolting |
| 10:44:16 | TheSeven | haven't heard of that kind of thing for a long time, but there might be a couple of monday's chips around... |
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| 10:59:40 | [Saint] | TheSeven: "mondays's chips"? |
| 10:59:45 | [Saint] | -s |
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| 11:47:27 | * | [Saint] wonders why Ubuntu won't let him run RBUtil from his Nano2G directly |
| 11:49:13 | [Saint] | because it's NTFS perhaps? |
| 11:49:24 | [Saint] | Every time I set ther permissions they bounce straight back. |
| 11:49:39 | [Saint] | getting the "no application for executable files" error. |
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| 11:50:43 | [Saint] | but I can move it to the desktop and do chmod a+x foo.ext && ./foo and it runs fine, then I move it to the iPod and try to run it and the permissions reset. ;-S |
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| 11:51:22 | [Saint] | or extract it to the iPod, and set the permissions directly there...bounces straight back as well. very odd, something I'm missing I'm sure. |
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| 11:54:12 | GodEater | [Saint]: it's possible the entire mount is set as noexec if it's NTFS formatted. |
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| 11:55:37 | [Saint] | "The permissions of "NANO 2G 8GB" could not be determined" |
| 11:55:39 | [Saint] | :-S |
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| 12:40:59 | linuxstb | GodEater: Re: mkamsboot - I doubt there is a good reason... I'm not even sure I know where it should be sent. |
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| 13:19:00 | GodEater | linuxstb: stdout seems more sensible to me for the [INFO] messages - so I might fix that whilst I'm working on it |
| 13:20:19 | GodEater | PS - to everyone else - did we decide whose job it was going to be to knock up the script to remove all the svn keyword junk from our source tree? |
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| 13:39:59 | wodz | GodEater: I seem to remember that messages sent to stderr are easier to handle in rbutil (but I might be wrong) |
| 13:40:31 | wodz | anyway I was adviced to use stderr when I was writing mkmpioboot tool |
| 13:46:20 | GodEater | wodz: ah ok |
| 13:46:29 | GodEater | in which case, we should probably at least be consistent ;) |
| 13:46:41 | GodEater | since there are still some messages sent to stdout in mkamsboot |
| 13:46:49 | wodz | sure |
| 13:47:35 | wodz | are there photos from DevCon somewhere online available? |
| 13:47:55 | GodEater | yes, check bagder's blog for the link : daniel.haxx.se/blog |
| 13:48:07 | GodEater | it's petur's picasa feed, but I don't recall the link myself ;) |
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| 14:10:18 | Torne | GodEater: I can do it |
| 14:10:33 | Torne | GodEater: since i seem to have volunteered to work on the plans for git migration anyway |
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| 14:18:05 | GodEater | Torne: sweet. |
| 14:37:34 | * | n1s hopes for a UsingGit page in the wiki popping up :) |
| 14:37:44 | Torne | n1s: Not just yet |
| 14:38:14 | Torne | i'm trying to set up a proper demo of gerrit first |
| 14:38:44 | Torne | because the specific details of how we opt to host things will be relevant for decent instructions |
| 14:39:42 | n1s | of course, i just think it would be very nice when we switch to make it easier for us git illiterates and probably make it less likely people do something wrong |
| 14:39:46 | Torne | Right. |
| 14:39:51 | Torne | I was also gonna produce such instructions, yes |
| 14:39:58 | Torne | but not just yet :) |
| 14:40:19 | Torne | gerrit seems to be a pretty great option from my testing so far |
| 14:40:55 | Torne | it works as an authenticated server without needing ssh accounts (like gitosis and other things) but with a handy web interface to upload your ssh keys and so on |
| 14:41:07 | Torne | and then it also is a patch review system |
| 14:41:58 | n1s | so a bit like a more functional viewvc? |
| 14:42:02 | Torne | No, it doesnt' do that part |
| 14:42:17 | Torne | though it can link to one (it knows how to construct links for gitweb, cgit, etc) |
| 14:42:27 | n1s | ah |
| 14:42:51 | n1s | i guess i'll read up once it' sall set |
| 14:42:52 | Torne | I've taken the demo i put up at devcon down again for now pending reconfiguring it slightly |
| 14:43:01 | Torne | but you can see one at https://review.source.android.com/ |
| 14:43:04 | Torne | which is AOSP's gerrit |
| 14:45:08 | n1s | so it's like a patch/changeset queue where changes need to be reviewed to finally get into the repo? |
| 14:45:19 | Torne | it's up to configuration whether they *need* to be reviewed |
| 14:45:41 | n1s | aha |
| 14:45:45 | Torne | i am proposing we allow committers to push directly to the tree still |
| 14:45:58 | Torne | but people can optionally put things up for review first |
| 14:46:04 | n1s | yeah, i like that |
| 14:46:09 | Torne | and non-committers can also create accounts on gerrit and put things up for review |
| 14:46:24 | Torne | and then a committer can commit it directly from gerrit without having to apply patch locally etc |
| 14:46:30 | n1s | might be easier to get attention than for a patch in fs |
| 14:46:49 | Torne | Well one big advantage over FS is you can comment directly on lines of a change |
| 14:47:06 | Torne | and comments apply to specific versions of the patch (you can upload new ones) |
| 14:47:17 | n1s | sounds good |
| 14:47:19 | Torne | one downside is that gerrit doesn't currently accept input via email |
| 14:47:30 | Torne | It can send email when new things are uploaded, or when someone asks you to review something |
| 14:47:46 | Torne | but right now you have to go to the web interface, or poke it via ssh, to comment/approve/reject |
| 14:48:29 | n1s | can you do fs by email? |
| 14:48:52 | Torne | not sure. |
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| 14:49:10 | Torne | but the alternative proposal discussed at devcon was to do this just by sending patches to rockbox-dev and discussing there |
| 14:49:11 | n1s | so that's probably no worse than what we have now |
| 14:49:13 | Torne | i.e. no tools |
| 14:49:32 | Torne | so I was hoping I could find a way to do it that had the best of both worlds. |
| 14:49:53 | Torne | It's probably possible to write a lil email hook script that feeds comments from email back into gerrit |
| 14:50:22 | Torne | gerrit supports programmattically adding comments for things like buildbot output or automated source checks |
| 14:51:31 | n1s | a webinterface is fine to me |
| 14:51:46 | Torne | yah, i'm happ with that |
| 14:52:00 | Torne | i'm just trying to cover as many people's preferred use cases as I can to increase the chance that there is general approval of gerrit ;) |
| 14:53:26 | n1s | i do think we have a bit too many channels of communication though so if this works out, maybe we should scale fs back to just bugs? |
| 14:53:33 | Torne | yes, that ws the idea |
| 14:53:38 | Torne | we would stop accepting patches on FS |
| 14:53:56 | n1s | ok |
| 14:53:57 | Torne | and then *either* have people put patches in some kind of review tool which is better at dealing with them, or have people mail them to rockbox-dev |
| 14:54:06 | Torne | people were in favour of both options |
| 14:54:19 | Torne | (the existence of a review tool doesn't preclude mailing patches, of course) |
| 14:54:43 | Torne | (but the existence of a review tool *does8 stop people from handling everything by email) |
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| 14:56:43 | Torne | aanyway. we seem to be decided on moving to git, but there are still questions about how to host it, how to convert current svn (our git-svn mirror is only trunk, we may want to convert it with something else which keeps all the branches/etc), and what the general preferred workflow/policy should be (whether that's enforced by tools or just advised) |
| 14:57:12 | Torne | so i'm gonna write up some proposals around this soon and see what people think |
| 14:57:54 | Torne | including a more or less fully functional gerrit instance with a pretend rockbox repo people can play with |
| 14:58:10 | Torne | i had it half going at devcon but my server apparently can't quite send email correctly atm ;) |
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| 15:00:05 | n1s | Torne: sounds good |
| 15:00:08 | * | n1s wonders if the coldfire cache is messing with him |
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| 15:32:20 | n1s | umm, has CIA and or the build system died? |
| 15:33:48 | n1s | http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi doesn't have the last 4 commits built |
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| 15:42:12 | Szeraax | Good Morning! So Yesterday, I was dl'ing the source for rockbox to do some of my own tinkering through SVN (with Cygwin), and my copying of the trunk got interrupted. Is it possible to resume copying the trunk? |
| 15:42:29 | Torne | yup, just do svn update |
| 15:42:41 | Torne | it should carry on from where it left off (and also update any of the files you have downloaded that have changed) |
| 15:43:22 | Szeraax | Schweet |
| 15:44:35 | Szeraax | ChanServ: when you say, 'do SVN update' You mean to 'run "$ svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox" again, correct?' |
| 15:47:06 | Torne | no |
| 15:47:10 | n1s | no, run "svn update" (or svn up) |
| 15:47:12 | Torne | just go into the directory and run "svn update" |
| 15:48:00 | Szeraax | ok, thanks |
| 15:53:31 | * | GodEater will wait for a working gerrit system before submitting his patch to mkamsboot |
| 15:53:38 | GodEater | to test the thing out with real code |
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| 15:57:45 | GodEater | damn it |
| 15:57:53 | Torne | oh? |
| 15:57:56 | Torne | Well, I guess you could |
| 15:58:07 | Torne | i can't really host a real repository though :) |
| 15:58:10 | Torne | too little bandwidth |
| 15:58:30 | Torne | iot's why i only committed 1MB of rockbox code in my demo |
| 15:59:50 | * | GodEater wonders why his local 'master' claims to be ahead of origin/master by 19 commits |
| 15:59:57 | GodEater | even though I've not bloody changed it |
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| 16:00:14 | Torne | because you've picked up updates via git-svn and the git mirror is stuck? |
| 16:00:16 | GodEater | git diff reckons there's a load of android changes been made - but I certainly didn't make them |
| 16:00:18 | Torne | that's one possibility anyway ;) |
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| 16:08:22 | GodEater | I don't think my tree knows about the git mirror |
| 16:08:45 | GodEater | oh no - it does |
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| 16:22:00 | Szeraax | Ok, more problems, yay! So while doing an SVN update from the trunk to my local directory (getting the source with Cygwin), I get the error, "failed to add file ... an unversioned file with the same name already exists" To tell SVN to overwrite any file that I have and give me exactly what is on the server, should I use 'svn update −−force' or 'svn update −−accept theirs-full' ? |
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| 16:27:53 | saratoga | do what the message suggests? |
| 16:30:50 | saratoga | i didn't realize we were thinking about dropping HWCODEC support, what was discussed exactly? |
| 16:37:00 | GodEater | it wasn't a serious suggestion saratoga |
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| 18:14:36 | sideral | Any ETA for when http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi will return to full operation? |
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| 18:46:12 | n1s | sideral: was it taken down or has it just broken? |
| 18:46:36 | sideral | n1s: No idea |
| 18:46:58 | n1s | i just noticed that no builds happens today but i haven't gotten any response |
| 18:47:24 | n1s | it's the national day here so i guess Bagder and zagor won't be around much |
| 18:48:18 | sideral | OK, sounds like we have an ETA now, as in "not today" :) |
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| 18:53:23 | bertrik | n1s, the build system got broken yesterday |
| 18:53:45 | n1s | bertrik: are Bagder and Zagor aware? |
| 18:54:00 | bertrik | quite sure about that |
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| 19:30:07 | pixelma | there were changes to the build system done at DevCon and IIRC these went "online" yesterday in the afternoon. It's probably related to that and we may need to wait for Bagder or Zagor |
| 19:30:31 | pixelma | oops, should have read all of the backlog before |
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| 19:55:32 | sideral | pixelma: The reason gevaerts gave for closing FS #4755 <http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755> (still have no complete author information) looks rather bogus to me, as you've already done the detective work to find out the real name of the contributor. Care to comment? |
| 19:55:33 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755 Wikipedia (patches, closed) |
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| 19:57:44 | sideral | AlexP: Have you had a chance to play with the dynamic DB-add patch, FS #12073 <http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12073>? |
| 19:57:45 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12073 Dynamically add files to database as they are played (patches, new) |
| 19:58:14 | AlexP | sideral: yes indeed, but each time I've remembered to tell you you haven't been online :) |
| 19:58:43 | AlexP | It seems to work very nicely - I initialised the db with one track via liberal use of database.ignore |
| 19:59:04 | AlexP | And since then have just been using the player, and checking every now and again |
| 19:59:20 | AlexP | As far as I can tell what gets played is turning up in the db :) |
| 19:59:31 | sideral | Cool, thanks for testing! |
| 19:59:33 | sideral | Have you used it for autoresume yet? |
| 19:59:52 | AlexP | not yet actually, I've been listening to a bit more music recently |
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| 20:00:03 | pixelma | I can't remember doing anything about the wikipedia patch... must be ages ago if at al |
| 20:00:05 | pixelma | l |
| 20:01:00 | sideral | AlexP: Have you noticed any performance degradation? |
| 20:01:37 | AlexP | sideral: Not noticed any no |
| 20:01:37 | sideral | AlexP: Looks like it makes no sense to ask whether you've noticed it missing to add any track :) |
| 20:01:58 | sideral | How many tracks have been added in the meantime? |
| 20:02:12 | AlexP | I haven't been looking, but if I haven't noticed that must mean it hasn't seemed slower :) |
| 20:02:34 | AlexP | I tend to listen to full albums, so I can have a look if it has missed any |
| 20:02:50 | AlexP | And I would guess it has added a hundred or so |
| 20:04:05 | sideral | pixelma: Right, that was ages ago: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755#comment32360 |
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| 20:06:26 | sideral | AlexP: Thanks again! Let me know if you make use of the DB at all eventually, and if you notice any missing features (or misfeatures ;) ) |
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| 20:07:00 | AlexP | sideral: heh, will do :) |
| 20:08:57 | pixelma | sideral: well, maybe he needs to give his ok for the replacement. Maybe one could even get hold of him in IRC as he's around a little more regularly in #quassel (freenode too) |
| 20:09:25 | pixelma | as freqmod or some derivate of that |
| 20:09:34 | sideral | pixelma: I'm already trying to chat him up. |
| 20:09:53 | sideral | pixelma: Which "replacement" are you referring to? |
| 20:11:10 | pixelma | I understood "> 4) Documentation refers to "freqmod" - can that be changed to a real name?" as "there is some files that state freqmod as author" but I really don't remember much and may be lacking context |
| 20:11:39 | pixelma | there "are" some files too |
| 20:13:51 | sideral | pixelma: Thanks. OK, I'll try to clarify that he's the author. I find closing FS #4755 <http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755> a bit premature, as there seems to be lots of interest in the task. I am myself using it, and I'd be interested in shepherding it in if no one else steps up |
| 20:13:52 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755 Wikipedia (patches, closed) |
| 20:14:15 | pixelma | there seem to have been quite a lot of contributors to the patch though, most of their real names seem to be known though |
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| 20:16:34 | sideral | pixelma: Right. There also seem to be several changes in some private repositories on github & similar that aren't included in the tracker item. I'm going to check them out one by one as a low-prio task. There's a lot of history to cover after 4½ years :) |
| 20:19:45 | pixelma | for some reason I only noticed that there was some discussion about the wikipedia patch these days but not exactly what's been said. One thing I remember having heard was that it wouldn't work nicely, haven't tried myself though. Maybe you could bring it up once more on the ml or so |
| 20:20:51 | sideral | I saw someone asking for / interested in working on bi-directional text support |
| 20:26:48 | sideral | On an entirely unrelated note: |
| 20:26:49 | sideral | I'm working on several improvements for podcast playback and management, including last-played highlighting (FS #12054 <http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12054>), a "mark as complete" function, enhancements to podcatcher synchronization, a podcast rating function, and other things. |
| 20:26:49 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12054 Highlight each album's last-played track in database views - great for audiobooks and podcasts (patches, new) |
| 20:27:02 | sideral | I have trouble finding a good venue for discussing all this with potential users. Any suggestions? |
| 20:27:18 | AlexP | I'd say -dev would be a good first step |
| 20:27:37 | sideral | Hmm... We don't seem to have many podcast listeners in the group of developers |
| 20:27:40 | AlexP | As the devs are realy the ones whose opinions come first :) |
| 20:28:18 | AlexP | I mean as in you don't want to spend ages getting opinions and things like that if the other devs don't like it :) |
| 20:29:03 | sideral | AlexP: I'd like to get some input on requirements from users first, not endless discussions on what's allegedly not possible :) |
| 20:29:50 | AlexP | Well, it is up to you |
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| 20:30:42 | AlexP | I dislike generally separating podcasts from any other type of file |
| 20:31:31 | sideral | :) see? |
| 20:31:51 | AlexP | Right, and devs opinions win over users |
| 20:32:02 | AlexP | So you need to convince the devs first :) |
| 20:33:22 | sideral | I think it might be easier to convince the developers if there's no need to hypothesize whether there actually is any demand |
| 20:33:43 | AlexP | Maybe, but demand hasn't meant anything in the past |
| 20:34:12 | AlexP | As in if the devs don't want something, some users wanting it doesn't change anything :) |
| 20:34:25 | AlexP | Anyway, I'm not talking about this thing now |
| 20:34:31 | AlexP | Just in general terms :) |
| 20:34:53 | sideral | Sure. But please remember that I am a developer, I'm not asking anyone to do the work for me :) |
| 20:35:01 | AlexP | Oh, I know :) |
| 20:35:17 | AlexP | But that doesn't mean it'll get in if the others are against it :) |
| 20:35:29 | sideral | To your point: I don't particularly like special cases either, but it seems to me that podcasts actually prefer some settings to be different |
| 20:35:57 | AlexP | Spoken word anyway |
| 20:36:38 | AlexP | but yeah, possibly |
| 20:36:50 | AlexP | It is a general dislike of mine, not a hard rule :) |
| 20:37:05 | sideral | In the Sansa OFs, for example, these settings are keyed to the directory names. |
| 20:37:10 | AlexP | which is wank |
| 20:37:26 | sideral | any better alternative? |
| 20:37:36 | AlexP | sure, tags, user settable |
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| 20:37:52 | sideral | there's no universal tag for podcasts or audiobooks |
| 20:37:54 | AlexP | A massive thing of Rockbox for me and many people is not being forced to do things like that |
| 20:38:21 | sideral | and you could argue tags shouldn't be forced on the user either, much like directory names |
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| 20:38:33 | AlexP | Let the users pick the directories then |
| 20:38:41 | AlexP | But I am well against specific directory names |
| 20:39:33 | AlexP | What about languages other than English? |
| 20:39:33 | * | amiconn agrees with AlexP |
| 20:39:33 | amiconn | Furthermore I don't really understand why spoken word needs different handling than other audio stuff |
| 20:39:33 | sideral | I could live with configurable directories. autoresume implements it this way |
| 20:39:40 | sideral | another alternative I see is having per-directory .config files. Why has that idea been rejected in the past? |
| 20:39:43 | AlexP | I would stick out long against anything that forces certain naming/layouts |
| 20:39:51 | AlexP | This is you being a db user I think |
| 20:39:59 | AlexP | Not caring much where things are on disk |
| 20:40:30 | AlexP | sideral: I'm not sure, per dir config would be nice if done properly |
| 20:40:52 | sideral | I do care where stuff is. But I think asking users to place stuff into a certain (configurable) dir if they want some function seems reasonable to me |
| 20:40:55 | amiconn | Per directory config is actually hard to do |
| 20:40:59 | AlexP | sideral: Not to me |
| 20:41:13 | AlexP | I find it the exact opposite |
| 20:41:20 | AlexP | I have my stuff organised how I want it |
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| 20:41:34 | AlexP | I don't want to have to move bits of it around just to get a feature to work |
| 20:41:45 | amiconn | Since we don't want to spin the disk on each track change, you would somehow have to store such configuration data as part of each buffered track's metadata |
| 20:42:16 | AlexP | amiconn: Yeah, that's what I meant by properly - I don't think the idea itself is rejected, it just has to be done to avoid stuff like that |
| 20:42:19 | sideral | amiconn: I figure it could be cached quite easily. |
| 20:43:13 | amiconn | Less easily atm considering we have two different playback engines, each having its own buffering system |
| 20:43:16 | sideral | per-dir config could open up more configurability that's often requested, such as per-podcast compressor settings |
| 20:44:01 | AlexP | It'd also make a lot of other things not necessary |
| 20:44:02 | * | amiconn will hopefully be able to do something about that |
| 20:44:27 | AlexP | People can have fine grained settings and not the ones we pick for different "modes", and applied to wherever they want |
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| 20:46:54 | sideral | AlexP, amiconn: Thanks for your input so far! |
| 20:47:18 | sideral | amiconn: BTW, any further comments re FS #12107 <http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12107>? |
| 20:47:18 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12107 Remove track-number generation heuristic from database (patches, new) |
| 20:48:04 | AlexP | sideral: No worries, and sorry for being a bit negative - but I was talking generally, and not about anything your proposing at the minute :) |
| 20:48:14 | amiconn | I'm in favour of removing the guessing, as I already expressed several times |
| 20:48:44 | sideral | amiconn: Also in the light of the feedback given by Slasheri, I assume? |
| 20:49:34 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:49:45 | sideral | alright, thanks amiconn! |
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| 21:35:34 | n1s | per dir configs would also be tricky if you want the settings to *only* apply in that dir since you'd need to keep the old settings somewhere and what if you have a playlist with tracks from multiple dirs and one dir has a settings change that needs a reboot or a playback restart? |
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| 21:36:12 | n1s | and does the settings menu reflect the settings in the current dir? |
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| 22:19:20 | gevaerts | sideral (I hope you read logs): the way I understand the wikipedia task is that freqmod did add a lot to the wikipedia patch, but he didn't write the original one, and whoever did that has not been identified |
| 22:20:55 | gevaerts | So no, I don't agree that this should have been left open |
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| 22:25:59 | pixelma | there were so many comments and changes in the patch that I quickly lost track |
| 22:32:44 | pixelma | gevaerts: doesn't sound like freqmod based his work on the project mentioned right before in the task but I am not sure. Maybe he can tell us more about its history and as I said it should be possible to get hold of him |
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| 22:33:21 | pixelma | maybe not immediately |
| 22:34:50 | gevaerts | hm, that's possible |
| 22:36:24 | pixelma | or maybe he even was referred to in the misticriver link post, unfortunately it doesn't seem to be around anymore (or maybe you have to be registered or whatever) |
| 22:37:56 | gevaerts | right, on re-reading it looks like the code may be from freqmod after all, with later modifications by other people, who all seem to be named |
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| 22:43:04 | * | gevaerts decides that sideral is the right person to investigate this :) |
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| 23:23:49 | CIA-58 | r29976 build result: All green |
| 23:24:00 | n1s | \o/ |
| 23:24:38 | Zagor | the logs are awfully empty though... |
| 23:29:13 | Zagor | there we go |
| 23:30:16 | Zagor | including the android build |
| 23:31:29 | AlexP | ah, nice |
| 23:33:43 | bertrik | \o/ |
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| 23:39:56 | n1s | delta table doesn't seem to have updated |
| 23:40:13 | Zagor | indeed |
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