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#rockbox log for 2011-06-20

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00:34:42CIA-27New commit by 03amiconn (r30019): Fix non-working .talk clips on hwcodec (follow-up to r28672 and r29432): .talk clips ...
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00:39:51CIA-27r30019 build result: All green
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01:51:57JdGordon[Saint]: chaining? or changing?
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04:40:40JoshuaChangi found a strange thing: when disable asm optimize in spc codecs and using -O3 complie switch, the cowon d2 target get 10% speed gain?
04:41:32JdGordondissasemble and figure out why gcc's arm is better than ours
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04:50:19philipballewcan someone help me install rockbox on my ipod?
04:55:22JdGordonhave you tried the manual?
04:56:12philipballewi need to find the best one
04:56:29philipballewim running x8664 linux
04:57:31JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
04:58:07JoshuaChangthere is no best way, all roads lead to rome
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05:02:24philipballewabout how long does it take
05:04:05JdGordontoo long
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05:20:07philipballewdo i only need to download the RockboxUtility to install?
05:20:59JdGordonread the manual
05:22:45philipballewi did, it says housekeeping tool as well. what is that though?
05:32:14JoshuaChanghttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/pub/Main/GigabeatInfo/partlist.html, this page is gone, where can i found it?
05:34:57JdGordongood question.... google cache is failing me
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05:35:09JdGordonmight have to see if Zagor or Bagder has a backup
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07:48:08ruskiepixelma, thanks
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08:01:18pixelmabluebrother: did you try a recent android build? I wonder if I'm the only one where playback doesn't work and it just skips through the songs (that's with r30012)
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14:08:21kugelZagor: irc log viewer issues back with FF5
14:08:43Zagorwell, it's not like I have changed anything
14:10:17Zagorif they choose to retire multipart/mixed push long before they add a replacement, there is not a lot I can do about it
14:10:17kugelright, so FF5 isn't in the blacklist yet
14:11:31Zagorah right, I added a blacklist
14:11:45Zagortry now
14:12:11kugelthanks
14:13:06*kugel can now uninstall the user agent switcher addon
14:13:08Zagorif ($ENV{'HTTP_USER_AGENT'} =~ m|Firefox/[4-9]|) { $push = 0; }
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16:15:01gevaertsZagor: is the builds file in www/buildserver in svn up to date?
16:15:27Zagorno. fixing.
16:16:07CIA-27New commit by 03zagor (r30020): Build system updates
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16:28:59gevaertsThanks!
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16:54:11hobby16hi all, I've written a patch to solve my usb problem. Now when USB is on, I can switch my Sansa between storage and power-alone modes with the On/Off slider.
16:55:36hobby16So I can upload a file (in storage mode), switch to power-alone mode, test my file on Sansa, reswitch to storage mode, reupload, etc... without connect/disconnect the cable
16:56:50hobby16if somebody is interested by this patch, let me know (don't know how to use rockbox's svn)
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16:59:37hobby16Now my question is (again), how to hide a directory in storage mode (so the PC doesn't see a specific directory on the rockbox player)
16:59:50gevaertsYou can't
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17:00:04gevaertsUnless you do weird FAT stuff
17:00:46Torneand if you do weird FAT stuff you are virtually guaranteeing data loss eventually ;)
17:01:22sideralwell, the Sansa OF does it on a regular basis, without being particularly prone to data loss
17:01:42Tornedoes it?
17:02:03sideralAFAIK it marks two directories with the volume-label bit in addition to the dir bit, which cause both Windows and Linux to ignore the directory
17:02:03*Torne suspects if you chkdsk it enough it will trash your files.
17:02:13pamaurythat's a weird fat stuff
17:02:20sideralyes it is :)
17:02:25Torneyes. that's something I would expect filesystem checking tools to "fix"
17:02:31pamauryif you have several labels, it's ok to trash them
17:02:31Tornequite plausibly by destroying data
17:02:53sideralinterestingly, neither chkdsk nor fsck.vfat seem to bother
17:03:24sideralbut I agree it's beyond spec and highly implementation specific
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17:04:05Slasherihmm, just increased my logf buffer size to 6 MB.. and commented out displayremote(), it would make logf basically freeze
17:04:26Torneanyway, we don't have any of the FAT structural awareness in the mass storage driver that would be required to actually do this
17:04:32gevaertsSlasheri: there's a patch around somewhere that makes logf log straight to a file
17:04:35Torneso it would be a big project whatever teh details of how you actualyl do it
17:04:51pamauryif it's just marking them with a bit, it's ok
17:04:58hobby16sideral : "AFAIK it marks two directories with the volume-label bit in addition to the dir bit". Nice tip sideral, where do you think I can find more infos about this ?
17:04:59pamaury(I think)
17:05:27Tornepamaury: Oh, I guess you could do it before unmounting
17:05:30Torneand change it back after
17:05:33sideralTorne: the way to implement this is to toggle the bits in the mount/umount code, not in the mass-storage driver
17:05:38Tornesideral: that's no fun ;)
17:05:48Tornerewriting on the fly is more entertaining ;)
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17:05:59Slasherigevaerts: maybe that would be better, to log straight into file.. now the 6MB buffer is barely enough for me ;)
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17:06:57sideralhobby16: with this information, you should be able to google something up. additional keywords are "##MUSIC" and "#PORT", the names of these Sansa directories. I don't have the specifics available at present
17:07:51sideralhobby16: I suggest to first read up on the FAT filesystem disk format, if you haven't done that already
17:07:53gevaertsSlasheri: there's FS #9253 but I believe saratoga once made a quick and dirty much simpler patch that does this too
17:07:54fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9253 3logf file output patch. (patches, unconfirmed)
17:08:59gevaertsSlasheri: parts of http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/cliplogging.patch
17:09:25hobby16@sideral, yessss, I'll try it. So if I didn't miss anything, no need to patch the firmware, just modify the directory control bits before the upload and mere mortals won't see the directory, right ?
17:10:43sideralSlasheri: I now seem to be able to trigger the DB-shows-trash bug I mentioned yesterday again. The runtime commit seems to be a precondition. (After regenerating the DB from scratch, I can now once more commit at runtime; probably my DB had accumulated too many deleted files, which previously prevented commit.)
17:10:50Tornehobby16: rockbox won't see it either
17:10:56Torneprobably.
17:11:05Torneand you can't modify it *before* copying it onto the player..
17:11:12sideralTorne: Rockbox does see it.
17:11:18Tornesideral: Then we're broken
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17:11:21Torne:)
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17:11:50sideralTorne: Hence the numerous "what are the ##music / ##port dirs for" questions :)
17:12:09sideralAh wait
17:12:23Torneis it actually still set at that point?
17:12:28sideralThat's because the bit has already been reset after the OF USB disconnect
17:12:33TorneRight.
17:12:35TorneThat's what I assumed.
17:12:48sideralOK, so I don't know whether we'd see it
17:13:09Tornehobby16: what is this actualyl for?
17:13:22hobby16sideral : "Rockbox does see it". That's perfect.
17:13:22Torneare you specifically wanting to hide something from a host pc but not from rockbox?
17:13:29Torneor just hidden entirely
17:13:31Torneor what
17:13:38sideralhobby16: You will need to patch Rockbox, but not the OF, for this to work
17:13:40Tornehobby16: we don't actually know :)
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17:14:32*Torne has a look
17:15:35hobby16@Torne : I want to use rockbox to launch Lua script and only that. so want directories hidden to host pc (final users don't need to see), but visible to rockbox (of course)
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17:16:19Torneok, so currently the code does only skip things if they are volume labels but not directories
17:17:54sideralhobby16: You can do it like the OF and toggle the bit in the mount/umount code. Note that we currently don't have a full-blown umount, as Rockbox doesn't need it right now, but FS #11883 may be of help
17:17:55fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11883 3Close all files and safely unmount disks before entering USB mode, shutting down, or rebooting (patches, unconfirmed)
17:18:04hobby16@sideral : I don't want to patch the OF. But I thought hiding a directory but just changing its control bits ON THE HOST pc only was enough ? If patching RB is needed, does the patch already exist ?
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17:19:11hobby16@sideral, oh, concurrent posts. Nice, i'll look at FS #11883, thank you !
17:19:12fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11883 3Close all files and safely unmount disks before entering USB mode, shutting down, or rebooting (patches, unconfirmed)
17:19:18sideralhobby16: Carefully read what Torne said :)
17:19:27Torneit will work
17:19:53Torneyes, my sentence may have been ahrd to parse :)
17:20:07TorneRockbox will ignore the volume label bit being set, *if* it's a directory
17:20:17kugel_freeze ends today?
17:20:29Tornekugel_: freeze ends when AlexP creates the release branch :)
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17:20:56Torneas long as you only intend to hide directories this way you can indeed just do it by copying the files on there and then opening the drive in a FAT editor and hacking the directory entry for the directory.
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17:21:16Torneor a hex editor if you are studly enough
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17:21:35hobby16sideral: "Carefully read what Torne said :)" What specifically (better be sure before I grill my dear Sansa ;) )
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17:22:26sideralthe last few sentences. He said you like won't need to patch Rockbox.
17:22:51sideralGood luck with your project!
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17:25:05hobby16@sideral : do you confirm Torne's "hacking the directory entry for the directory" (no offense to you Torne, of course). If so, is the hidden dir likely to be corrupted if I paste a lot of files to the "hacked" filesystem on my player
17:25:27TorneYou can't access the directory after you do that
17:25:34TorneIt won't be visible any more
17:25:56TorneYou will have to clear the bit again before you can actually see it :)
17:26:04sideralI confirm everything Torne says. I learned most of my FAT32 from him. The hard way. ;)
17:27:16hobby16@Torne, No problem, I want it to be invisible. If needed, I reformat my player and upload again everything. Just wanted to know if changing files on the storage (with hacked directory) won't corrupt anything
17:27:25TorneChanging files won't
17:27:31TorneRunning chkdsk or similar might, potentially
17:27:57Torneyou dont' need to reformat it, you can just change the bit back again the same way you set it the first time :)
17:28:04hobby16Torne: "Changing files won't". Great, and how about dding new files or directory ?
17:28:20hobby16 Great, and how about Adding new files or directory ?
17:30:35sideralInside Rockbox, that should work as well. On the host, you won't be able to unless you remove the volume-label bit first
17:34:22hobby16Can you confirm (sorry to be so annoying instead of jumping the shark but I know nothing yet of FAT): I have / , /dir1, /dir2. I hack the storage to hide /dir1, now only / and /dir2 are seen on the host pc, and /, /dir1, /dir2 are seen by rockbox. And I can do all that just by hacking the storage thank to the host PC, no need to change the firmware ?
17:35:13Tornehobby16: you don't have to keep asking the same question phrased ten different ways
17:35:33Torne*none* of this is guaranteed to work at all, the host pc is perfectly entitled to crap its pants and destroy your filesystem
17:35:39Tornebut in practise everything will just work as you want
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17:42:20hobby16@Torne, ok ! Now, I'll stop asking and do the real thing, promise. THANK YOU for everything. Cheers
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17:55:17Slasherisideral: now my worst annoyance with db fixed :)
17:57:50CIA-27r30021 build result: All green
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18:13:13sideralSlasheri: Whops, CRLF in tags... Nice catch! Was that in a comment tag?
18:13:48sideralSlasheri: seen my note about DB junk reproducibility?
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18:19:51Slasherisideral: yep, that was a comment tag :)
18:20:04Slasherisideral: i saw that, i will look into it soon
18:26:04sideralSlasheri: Thanks!
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19:02:42Slasherisideral: so you re-init db (commit without rebooting), and then you do something to get trashed query results?
19:03:46sideralAlmost. The steps seem to be:
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19:04:57sideralHave autoupdate enabled. Add some tracks to the player via USB (using the OF's USB mode in my case). Boot Rockbox. Wait for autoupdate / commit to complete. Enter DB browser, verify the new tracks are there. Then...
19:05:40sideral...select some track from the DB and play it. After some time, go back to the DB browser. Now it shows funny results
19:06:19Slasheriok, i will try that :)
19:08:47sideralThe queries I'm using all have some condition set (e.g., require a specific directory) and the tracks that are shown don't belong in there; or there are no tracks shown at all
19:09:54Slasherihmm.. i should really get a bigger disk for my H140..
19:10:43Slasherisideral: does that issue occur even after you reboot the player?
19:11:33sideralNo. When I reboot after the issue has occurred, everything is normal. So it seems to have to do something with the DB update
19:11:34AlexPkugel: Yep, shortly
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19:12:14Slasherisideral: ok, interesting
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19:14:14Slasherisideral: just added two new albums, and going to database - Same as current... and all items work as expected (playing those newly added tracks)
19:15:02sideralI somehow expected that. :)
19:15:40sideralDoes recently played / recently added look sane to you?
19:16:02hobby16hi sideral, I've tried to hide a directory like described above by setting its volume-bit to 1 (file attribute offset is changed from 0x10 to 0x18). I use a hex editor to do it but it replies "access denied". I've tried it on rockbox and a simple USB key, same (non) result. Do you have any idea ?
19:16:27Slasheriyes, at least so far everything is working.. but i will leave the iriver playing for a while
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19:17:43Tornehobby16: your hex editor probably doesn't know how, or doesn't ahve permission to, write to the raw disk
19:18:21hobby16The hex editor is HxD (windows freeware), do you know anything else which can write to raw disk Torne ?
19:18:34sideralSlasheri: thanks. I'll try reproducing this as well to verify the steps. Then I can try a simulator build
19:18:41JessicaRNhi all. I've got an old archos recorder jukebox w/ a 20gb drive in it. I'm about to up it to a 120gb disk. Will the automated installed prep the new disk, or do i need to partition it myself?
19:19:02Slasherisideral: it would be great if you could manage to reproduce it using the simulator
19:19:08TorneJessicaRN: installing rockbox pretty much always requires that the original firmware be functional first
19:19:19JessicaRNhmm...
19:19:35JessicaRNso, i cant start w/ a scrubbed disk?
19:19:53gevaertsIt will need to be partitioned and have a filesystem
19:20:06JessicaRNfat32? or can i use ntfs?
19:20:09gevaertsfat32
19:20:15CIA-27New commit by 03alex (r30022): Branch for 3.9
19:20:28AlexPThere we go :)
19:20:51JessicaRNugh. I have an xp laptop i'm trying to build this on. it will only let me creat an ntfs disk. any ideas?
19:20:52sideralAlexP: yay!
19:21:06gevaertsI suspect you can do the partitioning over usb after installing the disk
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19:21:40TorneJessicaRN: you need something other than windows's built in format tool to format something >32GB as FAT
19:21:50sideralSlasheri: can you try again and delete some tracks at the same time as well as adding some? I think my sync process typically removes and adds some
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19:22:20JessicaRNtorne: what freeware util do you suggest? or should I just boot ubuntu and do it from there?
19:22:45gevaertsJessicaRN: I believe people have successfully used something called swissknife
19:23:41AlexPor fat32format
19:23:44AlexPboth work
19:23:50JessicaRNi'm always a bit spooked about using freeware that hasn't been vetted. just asking for viruses that way.
19:24:08AlexPA linux liveCD then :)
19:24:21Slasherisideral: ok, lets try
19:24:24JessicaRNHey! I'm carefull. I only surf the web with condoms on my fingers
19:24:33JessicaRN*grins*
19:26:11AlexPHmmm, some RC builds would probably be good
19:26:53JessicaRNthanks. i'll be back
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19:29:49Slasherisideral: now playing & browsing while tagcache is working to mark deleted files and commit new ones
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19:33:11Slasherisideral: ok, now "same as current directory" displays results from wrong directory, every other query works ok
19:33:38Slasherithere maybe dircache pointer invalidation problem or something like that
19:33:42sideralSlasheri: ah, glad you found something
19:34:40sideralif that's the case, that could perhaps explain the dreaded duplicate entries in DB problem as well
19:35:42Slasherimaybe.. now lets find out what could cause that
19:38:04Slasherisideral: and "recently played tracks" now halted the whole query
19:39:06Slasherioh, no.. it did work, it just took a long time (ram cache was not used for that query)
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19:47:50sideralSlasheri: I can't seem to trigger it right now, but just noticed that I left out the play a track part of my recipe
19:49:29Slasherisideral: i have the problem occurring only with the filename tag (that tag has special handling because it will never be loaded to ram, but it could point to the dircache)
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19:50:11kugelpamaury: I'll commit the dircache patches soon, want to have look before?
19:50:39kugelSlasheri: ^
19:50:45sideralSlasheri: That could explain why it mostly affects queries with a filename condition
19:51:08Slasherikugel: sure :)
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19:56:02JessicaRNback again! I just formatted the new disk as 120gb fat32. do I just need to unpack the install files to the root of the new volume?
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19:58:06kugelSlasheri: sure have a look or sure commit? :)
19:59:12Slasherikugel: those patches alters the memory layout, removing linked lists?
19:59:30kugellinked lists are not removed
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20:00:02Slasherioh.. what patches are you going to commit?
20:02:12kugelSlasheri: all FS#of 12133
20:02:18kugelFS #12133
20:02:19fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12133 3Dircache patches (patches, new)
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20:13:10pamaurykugel_: I'll have a look today !
20:13:13pamaurypromise
20:14:15kugel_pamaury: don't promise, that encourages me to wait :)
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20:16:33pamauryI'm making coffee and have a look just after so you won't wait too long hopefully :)
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20:21:45kugeldircache uses still pointers internally, but it could also use array indices there, however I'm not sure if it's worth it
20:22:09BuschelAlexP: freeze on Trunk is over?
20:22:23AlexPBuschel: yep
20:22:30pamaurykugel: you want comments on FS ?
20:22:56Buschelok :)
20:23:04kugelpamaury: just drop them here, the task is (hopefully) closed soon :)
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20:24:35pamauryOk, I think I already told you patch 1, 2 & 3 were ok and suggested an optimization
20:24:46pamaurycan I have a look at 8 without 4-7 ?
20:25:46pamaury8 looks ok but I would just add a small comment to say the '1' comes from the '/'
20:27:03pamaury4 is ok I guess
20:28:03kugelpamaury: http://pastie.org/2097216 is dircache_copy_path() after 8 if it helps
20:28:43pamauryah ok, there already is a comment
20:28:54pamaurythanks
20:29:29pamaurypersonal comment: I don't like the indentation of 5 with respect to global variables
20:29:32pamaury:)
20:32:43kugelpamaury: it looks better in the source than in the diff :)
20:37:08Slasherisideral: it could be that tagcache itself is working correctly but wrong path is given by playlist or some other subsystem. But that is just speculation and needs to be verified
20:37:38Slasheriat least playlist uses dircache to some extend
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20:39:20pamaurykugel: should offset_d_names be of type ptrdiff_t ?
20:39:23pamaury*shouldn't
20:39:34sideralSlasheri: It could be that I had a deleted file in my current dynamic playlist when the problem occurred. I have no other playlists on the system. But did you have any playlist related to the deleted file?
20:40:41pamaurykugel: In your commit, "since" should be "Since" ;)
20:40:52Slasherisideral: i just checked and most likely playlist doesn't handle dircache pointer invalidation.. it keeps running using the old pointers
20:41:13Slasherithat could explain the problem, unless you stopped playback and created a new dynamic playlist
20:41:47CIA-27r30024 build result: All green
20:41:51*bluebroth3r would really like to see people to wrap commit messages at 72 chars or so
20:42:13Slasheripamaury: because during commit() dircache gets rebuilt, and old pointers can be incorrect
20:42:18Slasherisideral
20:42:33bluebroth3ris it possible to rewrap all "long" commit messages when converting to git in a sensible way? Some existing ones are kinda unreadable on the terminal right now.
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20:43:52sideralSlasheri: yep. that whole concept of breaking some other subsystem's pointers seems rather brittle to me. That's one reason why I'm scared by kugel's plans for moving allocations around
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20:47:21pamaurykugel: did you see my comments ?
20:48:12pamaurykugel: in the /** compact the dircache buffer **/ part, I don't really like the way you structure you if statement. Since the function just return if res<0, if you just if(ret < 0) return; to make the code clearer
20:48:22pamaurysame thing for if (offset > 0)
20:48:33kugelone moment :)
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20:51:00pamauryis there a significant difference in performance between memmove and memcpy which justify such a distinction ?
20:51:11pamaurymemove will always work no ?
20:51:18kugelyes
20:51:53kugelbut it's nearly 0% probability that they overlap
20:52:06pamaurybut memmove will see that
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20:53:39pamaurykugel: what exactly compaction does ?
20:55:13kugelmove strings down
20:55:29kugelthey are allocated from the end of the audiobuf
20:55:31pamauryso that the reserve size is exactly DIRCACHE_RESERVE
20:55:39pamauryah
20:55:51CIA-27r30025 build result: All green
20:56:19pamauryYou should make this clearer
20:56:30pamaury(that there are allocated from the end of audiobuf)
20:57:15pamauryAdd a line to the comment just before audiobuf = (char*)(((intptr_t)audiobuf & ~0x03) + 0x04); for example
20:57:18kugelpamaury: you mean like in the comment above?
20:57:36kugel /* struct dircache_entrys are allocated from the beginning, * their corresponding d_name from the end
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20:57:51pamauryyeah, be a bit more explicit
20:58:00pamauryfrom the end *of the audiobuf*
20:58:07kugelthe comment above the allocation is quite clear if you ask me
20:59:08pamauryIf you ask me, it is not :) In your comment you don't mention audiobuf, so you have to look at the code to understand
20:59:30kugelcomments shouldn't duplicate code
20:59:53pamauryBut mentioning audiobuf add a few characters and makes it easy and explicit
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21:00:38kugelaudiobuf is mentioned 2 lines below in the code...
21:01:44kugelalso, I changed the code according to your suggestion (with the if()s). I can't say it looks nicer
21:02:14pamauryI believe it does, you gain two levels of indentation
21:02:28pamauryotherwise you have you far away else statement which just returns
21:02:36pamaurywhich is clearly an exception case
21:04:14pamauryAlso don't forget that the code looks clear to you because you modified it a lot; but after a few months, you'll have forgotten the details and having redundant comments is a time win.
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21:06:05kugelpamaury: how about this? http://pastie.org/2097394
21:06:41kugelthe function (no diff): http://pastie.org/2097402
21:06:41pamauryperfect :)
21:07:21GodEater_if only we had a patch review system ;)
21:07:31pamauryAppart from those comments on the style, it look perfectly ok to me
21:08:29pamauryI must admit that the entries vs names distinction makes the code nicer
21:08:42kugelpamaury: there's one problem with ptrdiff_t, it's (theoretical) only defined for pointers within the same array
21:08:54kugelintptr_t covers the entire memory
21:10:00pamauryhum, true; but since the result is a difference between pointers, it's weird :) Do it the way you like anyway, we know it's a 32-bit system anyway :D
21:10:03kugelIIUC anyway
21:10:38pamaury6 introduces no functional changes so I guess it's no problem
21:12:30kugelintptr_t is an integral type as large as pointers, ptrdiff_t is an integral type large enough to hold differences of pointers to the same array. I don't think they make a difference in practise
21:12:47kugelbut intptr_t is always correct :)
21:13:52pamauryok, you win :)
21:14:17amiconnIsn't it branching day today?
21:14:29Torneamiconn: done already :)
21:14:43kugelpamaury: I don't really care actually
21:14:48pamauryneither me
21:15:05amiconnAh, missed that one
21:15:24*amiconn thinks branch commits should also appear on the frontpage
21:16:27pamaurypatch 7 looks ok. I assume you tested it. I'm happy that it finally don't expose dircache pointers.
21:17:22pamauryHowever, it doesn't check for full bounds on indexes (0<=index<entry_count); don't know if it's usuful but it might catches some difficult bugs
21:17:40kugelI tested somewhat yes, not extensively as I don't use targets with dircache anymore :)
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21:18:50pamauryok, so overall, that's all ok as long as it's correctly tested
21:19:09kugelpamaury: well, as you're supposed to pass in IDs that you previously got from the dircache (and this is how it's used) bound checking is a bit redundant
21:20:29kugelyou don't pass IDs that you just made up
21:21:37amiconnkugel: Did you have a look at r30019?
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21:22:32kugelamiconn: yes
21:22:49amiconnI hope my way to fix .talk is ok?
21:23:29kugelyes, should be. it appears the file extension was previously ignored
21:23:52kugelso whitelisting .talk for mp3 should be alright
21:24:17amiconnYes, because pre-r29432 mp3info() was specifically mpeg audio only
21:24:53amiconnNow it's actually a generic metadata function which checks extension before probing further
21:25:01kugelwell it still is but now calls common code instead
21:25:08amiconnNo it's not
21:25:24amiconnYou changed it from calling get_mp3_metadata() to calling get_metadata()
21:25:53kugelyes
21:25:55kugelwhat I said
21:25:59amiconnIt's ok even for the old hwcodec engine, but that's why .talk must be whitelisted
21:26:58amiconnOn hwcodec talk clip queueing needs to check metadata in order to skip tags, vbr headers & stuff. On swcodec .talk clips are raw speex with no tags or headers at all
21:27:05*kugel prepares for a big pile of commits
21:27:27amiconnThat's why this wasn't a problem on swcodec
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21:27:52kugelgreat it works again
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21:30:54amiconnThe metadata functions could really profit from a thorough cleanup
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21:32:34*amiconn wonders when we'll see the score table working again :\\
21:32:44CIA-27New commit by 03kugel (r30026): Move buffer.h to firmware/include.h to replace a useless malloc header.
21:32:49CIA-27New commit by 03kugel (r30027): Use enum themable_icons in struct file_type and struct filetype (who made those names?). ...
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21:32:53CIA-27New commit by 03kugel (r30028): Move struct search_instruction into struct menu root, as they're not allocated or used independently.
21:32:58CIA-27New commit by 03kugel (r30029): tagtree: Refactor memory allocation to local functions.
21:33:05CIA-27New commit by 03kugel (r30030): Remove unused code path from playlist_create_ex().
21:33:10CIA-27New commit by 03kugel (r30031): Fix yellow. Shouldn't have reordered struct members here.
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21:33:39amiconno.O
21:35:15CIA-27r30026 build result: All green
21:35:33*gevaerts takes bets on the accuracy of that "fix yellow" :)
21:35:59kugelthe build system might jump over :)
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21:38:55Slasherikugel: tagtree.c, } si;
21:39:03Slasheriwhy did you add that to the struct definition?
21:39:52kugelSlasheri: so that only one allocation is needed
21:39:52bertrikkugel, can't you squash/fixup those fixes before committing?
21:40:27kugelbertrik: I can, but it's a lot more effort
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21:41:47Slasherikugel: hmm, i don't see the point how that would make any difference
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21:42:58kugelwhy should they be seperate if they're tied together in reality? it just adds overhead
21:43:06kugeland less allocations are good for my gsoc project
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21:43:37Slasherikugel: i didn't mean that, but your extra "si"
21:44:35kugelI don't understand
21:45:13kugelanonymous nested structs are gnu(/ms) extensions, not sure if we're fine with them
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21:45:53Slasheriit should work perfectly fine.. those are used everywhere
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21:46:17kugelthat needs more changes in the code too, I wanted to keep the diff smaller
21:46:43kugelbertrik: and by a lot, I mean significantly more effor
21:47:24Slasherikugel: hmm, sorry, i think i misread the diff :) need to check again
21:47:58bertrikoh I thought git with git-svn should make that very simple
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21:48:21kugelbertrik: it's simple if you need to fix the top-most commit, not the ones below
21:48:28Slasherikugel: ah, yes.. i didn't notice you nested the struct by reading the diff
21:48:39fmlWhy isn't the new search box in the online manual displayed on the title page?
21:48:53bertrikit annoys me a bit to have basically dummy commits for that in SVN
21:49:59kugelbertrik: I don't think it matters
21:50:03Slasherii just don't know if that kind of nesting is a good idea.. i would declare the struct outside and allocate it inside the other struct
21:50:06kugelnot to me anyway
21:50:23bertrikgreat, that annoys me even more. I stopped my build client, I'm not compiling crap like that.
21:51:25pixelmafml: I don't think that this was a design decision (either an oversight or harder to do than expected). I remember bluebroth3r cursing htlatex a few times in the process
21:51:29kugelisn't that a bit of an overreaction?
21:52:44*pixelma still wonders if she's the only one who can't listen to music with an r30012 android build
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21:54:27kugelpixelma: I have problems as well, but I suspected a patch I have applied
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21:59:01Buschelis anyone working on the fPIC and visibility warnings that come up when compiling a win32 simu under ubuntu? I see hundreds of that when building.
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22:00:19Buschelseems to be connected to r29983
22:01:22EspreonAlexP: Well, it's Monday now.
22:01:31TorneBuschel: I don't think so, but I keep telling people what needs doing :)
22:01:38AlexPEspreon: Indeed it is
22:01:43Tornethose options should only be used when the target is linux
22:01:45AlexPAnd I still have a real life
22:01:46Torneor possibly mac
22:01:48Tornei'm not sure about mac
22:01:55Tornebut it shouldn't be used on windows (or on targets)
22:01:59AlexPBut don't worry, it'll get into the release
22:03:09EspreonAll right then...
22:03:29AlexPBelieve me or not, I don't really care
22:04:20***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
22:04:46EspreonVery well.
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22:10:51CIA-27r30032 build result: All green
22:11:06BuschelTorne: commenting line 229 in tools/configure does it for me
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22:11:57TorneBuschel: yes but that breaks it for linux
22:12:09TorneI just said: those options need to be passed when building for linux, but not windows
22:12:12CIA-27New commit by 03kugel (r30033): Dircache: Rework and simplify dircache_copy_path(). ...
22:12:16CIA-27New commit by 03kugel (r30034): Dircache: Return the size of the result string in dircache_copy_path() so that callers don't need to call strlen on it.
22:12:23Tornei don't have time to actually do this atm :)
22:12:25Tornebut feel free
22:12:27CIA-27New commit by 03kugel (r30035): Fix dircache_size calculation bug introcuced 3 revisions ago.
22:12:33CIA-27New commit by 03kugel (r30036): Dircache: Change internal cache layout. ...
22:12:37CIA-27New commit by 03kugel (r30037): Dircache: Move struct maindata declaration to dircache.c and actually check for DIRCACHE_MAGIC when loading from disk.
22:12:44CIA-27New commit by 03kugel (r30038): Dircache: Don't expose struct dircache_entry and pointers into the cache, use IDs instead. ...
22:12:50CIA-27New commit by 03kugel (r30039): Optimize new dircache_copy_path so that the helper (strlcat) doesn't need to walk through the entire string repeatedly. ...
22:12:54CIA-27New commit by 03kugel (r30040): Dircache: A bit of follow-up code cleanup suggested by Amaury Pouly.
22:12:59CIA-27New commit by 03kugel (r30041): Use ALIGN_UP() macro for alignment, in a more correct way also.
22:13:09JessicaRNto all of you that have helped develop RB, THANK YOU! It's a great program, and you've kept my spiff Archos Jukebox Recorder working fantastic for me!!!!
22:13:23AlexP:)
22:13:24BuschelTorne: I am not really an expert to build processes... at least I now have a working workaround. sorry to pass this back to you
22:14:03JessicaRNAlso, TYVM to the folks who support RB in this room. You all are great as well!
22:14:26bluebroth3rfml: because the crosslinks block where it's attached to isn't shown on the title page. Feel free to move it around :)
22:14:48CIA-27r30033 build result: All green
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22:15:26bluebroth3rthough I'm not sure if the search box is that useful after all −− when I've tried it today Google seemed to only give me pdf results, and I haven't figured how to make Google not include pdf results
22:16:07*Buschel really liked to read the change logs, but this is getting noisy now
22:16:11*amiconn wonders whether this 'all green' is real
22:16:42amiconnOne stillf can't verify that at all :\
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22:18:06CIA-27r30041 build result: All green
22:18:58amiconnAnd now the delta table became rather sparseƟ!
22:19:54bluebroth3rthe build result table is still stuck at r30006
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22:20:37Buscheln1s, Torne: I re-opened FS #12144
22:20:38fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12144 3Use -fPIC -fvisibility=hidden for 32 bit x86 builds too to fix link errors. (patches, new)
22:20:39kugelbluebroth3r: but IIRC CIA-27 reports correctly
22:20:41bluebroth3rBagder? Or is that Zagor's thing?
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22:21:14kugelBuschel: can you post the build log?
22:21:18Bagderthat sounds like work so it must be Zagor's thing =)
22:21:42Buschelkugel: yep, wait a minute
22:21:57CIA-27New commit by 03alex (r30042): Add US English by Steven Panek.
22:22:21kugelBuschel: IIRC visibility isn't even supported for mingw targets
22:23:02Buschelwhat Torne said a few minutes before, I just don't know how to fix /tools/configure
22:23:45CIA-27New commit by 03alex (r30043): Add US English by Steven Panek.
22:24:43kugelI wonder if it made more sense to only translate strings that are actually different in the US lang file
22:24:50AlexPPossibly
22:25:06kugelbut I suspect doesn't work nicely with translate.r.o?
22:25:11bluebroth3rpixelma: current svn is broken for me too :(
22:25:12AlexPBut then it'd mess up the stats :)
22:25:57kugelalso, one more language...Torne, how's your genlang work coming along? :)
22:26:06Tornenot had time yet ;)
22:26:13CIA-27r30043 build result: All green
22:26:20Tornei think i know how to do it though
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22:26:51kugeljob half done!
22:27:01bluebroth3rRockbox does play the file, but no audio output :(
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22:27:44bluebroth3rsometimes I need to skip around in the file before it starts "playing"
22:27:55*bluebroth3r wonders when playback broke again
22:28:09AlexPSometime in the last half an hour probably :)
22:28:56kugelAlexP: are you saying we were bug-free before that? ;)
22:29:06AlexPyep, 100% :)
22:29:55Buschel"make > log.txt" does not pipe compiler warnings to the file. what is the missing parameter?
22:30:10kugelBuschel: "make &> log.txt"
22:30:16kugel> does only stdout
22:30:33bluebroth3rwow. It _does_ playback the file but it's extremely soft.
22:30:45bluebroth3rdoesn't seem to happen for mp3, only ogg
22:31:17Buschelthanks, works now
22:31:46bluebroth3rpixelma: what filetype are you playing?
22:32:28Buschelwow, the log file is 1.8 MB
22:34:53Buschelkugel: zipped and attached to FS #12144
22:34:54fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12144 3Use -fPIC -fvisibility=hidden for 32 bit x86 builds too to fix link errors. (patches, new)
22:34:54CIA-27r30043 build result: 325 errors, 0 warnings (alex committed)
22:36:16AlexPoi, that was green a minute ago!
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22:37:21*AlexP kicks kugel instead
22:37:28AlexPThat clearly isn't my fault :)
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22:38:05bluebroth3rnot building each individual revision might not be that good it seems
22:38:23Zagorbluebroth3r: it wasn't intentional
22:38:40bluebroth3rZagor: ah, that explains things. I was surprised by that change ;-)
22:39:01bluebroth3ranyone else having problem with playing non-mp3 formats on Android with current svn?
22:39:13Zagorwhen I fixed the delta table I broke the compile results. only I didn't notice until recently.
22:39:16hobby16can someone tell me more about usb-serial mode (for debugging) please ? does it work on Windows (I can't get USB work on my Ubuntu Virtualbox, grrrr)
22:39:49hobby16maybe gevaerts ?
22:40:21gevaertshobby16: I don't think anyone ever got it to work in windows
22:40:30gevaertsFeel free to fix that though :)
22:40:49kugelbluebroth3r: on my phone it crashes in the dynamic linker, but again I'm not sure if my other patch causes this
22:41:00kugelI believe my problematic files are also non-mp3
22:41:20*bluebroth3r wonders if other targets are affected as well
22:41:52Buschelgoot go now, see you tomorrow
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22:43:16hobby16gevaerts @, oh no, I'm electronician, fixing USB is way beyond my capabilities. So I'll have to find a linux with USB.
22:43:56kugelbluebroth3r: let's hope not. broken playback wouldn't be a compelling feature for 3.9
22:44:23bluebroth3rwell, let's see. I'm building for e200 now ...
22:44:41AlexPIs it broken in the 3.9 branch?
22:44:55bluebroth3rand it's not broken, it's just like ... playing at -80dB or something like that :)
22:45:08AlexPIs it doing that in the 3.9 branch? :)
22:45:27bluebroth3rwe'll see.
22:45:38AlexPCool
22:45:40CIA-27New commit by 03kugel (r30044): Fix red in fft plugin.
22:45:50AlexPI'm still doing RC builds, it is taking forever
22:45:58bluebroth3rbut we can't upgrade Android to unstable with that issue IMO
22:46:20bluebroth3rhow good the fft plugin isn't built on Android
22:46:34*bluebroth3r rebases
22:49:31CIA-27r30044 build result: All green
22:50:14bluebroth3rseems to be fine on e200
22:50:28bluebroth3rat least ogg files play at normal volume so fwar
22:50:31bluebroth3r*far
22:51:01bluebroth3rwhy would something happen on Android only?
22:51:36*bluebroth3r grumbles
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23:00:39bluebroth3rwe really need a patch cleanup month. There are quite a couple of nice ideas around that would only need someone to finish them
23:01:14kugelthat assumes people participate
23:01:23AlexPI thought we tried that and nobody did anything
23:02:07kugelwe can have that if you don't force people to stop developing other stuff in the meantime
23:02:27kugelotherwise it'll just result in lots of sad developer faces :(
23:02:35bluebroth3rthere are a couple of patches I'd like to give a look. I just need to get around doing so
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23:02:56kugelbluebroth3r: start your very personal patch cleanup month :)
23:02:58bluebroth3rwe need to keep our house clean, even if that means not working on cool new features for a couple of days ...
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23:03:41kugelI don't think I'm going to work on stuff I don't want to work on
23:03:54bluebroth3rkugel: I'm already at it. I just need less headache tonight and more time in general
23:04:22kugelbut see, that's what we discussed on the devcon. the open patches are *not* our responsibility
23:05:02bluebroth3rthat doesn't mean it's not a good idea to go through them and try to finish some
23:05:22kugelit's not a good idea to force us to do it
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23:05:53EspreonAlexP: You forgot to set svn:keywords on the file. Also, I made an update. Shall I pastebin the patch?
23:06:20bluebroth3rplus, we haven't communicated that policy in the past. And a lot of patches haven't been closed simply because there are good ideas.
23:06:28kugela patch cleanup weak is quite contrary to what we decided on the devcon
23:06:34bluebroth3rEspreon: svn:keywords will go away pretty soon
23:06:40EspreonOK.
23:06:45kugelweek*
23:06:46bluebroth3rkugel: I disagree.
23:06:47kugelor month even
23:06:48AlexPI didn't forget them :)
23:07:00AlexPEspreon: And yes, pastebin is fine
23:07:11kugelbluebroth3r: it's making us responsible for the patches
23:07:17kugelwhich is not something we want
23:07:27bluebroth3rkugel: no. Picking a patch up doesn't make us responsible.
23:07:39kugela patch cleanup month does
23:07:54bluebroth3rnot for the patch. We're responsible for the result, and we're responsible for the code anyway.
23:08:09bluebroth3rand a cleanup month doesn't make us responsible for patches either.
23:08:11EspreonAlexP: http://pastebin.com/uCiuUqcA
23:08:20bluebroth3rit's just asking people to give it a look.
23:08:31kugelan official one anyway, I'm not stopping anyone from doing it voluntarily
23:08:34bluebroth3ras with all open source: no promises :)
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23:09:28bluebroth3rofficially asking people to consider picking up patches doesn't make us any more responsible than not asking.
23:09:39bluebroth3rit's _asking_ people after all.
23:10:06kugelI don't want to be asked to pick up patches
23:11:22kugelreviewing patches, OK, but not finishing them which should've been done by the author
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23:11:46Tornebluebroth3r: i don't think anyone who isn't interested in doing it anyway is going to do it
23:12:41bluebroth3rkugel: people can still ask you to do it. It's up to you to follow it or not.
23:13:13*bluebroth3r has been asked to join working on a Nano 3G port recently and hasn't been asked if he liked to be asked or not
23:13:33kugelpeople can ask me 20 times, I'll say no 20 times. nothing is gained
23:14:04bluebroth3rso? People have asked you, regardless if you like it or not.
23:14:25kugelyes, but a patch cleanup month implies I'm not allowed to do other stuff in the meantime
23:14:31CIA-27New commit by 03alex (r30045): Update US English by Steven Panek.
23:14:42kugelif it doesn't, it's completely useless from the start
23:14:45bluebroth3rseems you don't want to understand what I'm saying
23:14:46CIA-27New commit by 03alex (r30046): Update US English by Steven Panek.
23:14:50*bluebroth3r gives up
23:15:16pamaurykugel: you are supposed to not make bugs and bugs happen :)
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23:16:33EspreonAlexP: Thanks.
23:17:43AlexPyw
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23:19:15Torneheh
23:19:16AlexPbum
23:19:53AlexPI'm not claiming responsibility for that either!
23:20:01AlexPI've been got twice tonight
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23:21:17gevaertsAlexP: looks like Zagor's fault :)
23:21:40*AlexP readies the pointy stick
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