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#rockbox log for 2011-07-04

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00:44:46guestinghi there, how to make pictureflow music-search-engine by default?
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00:50:40guestingany chance
00:50:41guesting?
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00:53:47sideralguesting: You can put pictureflow on your WPS hotkey, so that it's easily reachable
00:54:52sideralI think there's also a mechanism to automatically run a plugin after boot, but I believe you need to enable it in the source and recompile.
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00:57:43guestingokay, ill try that
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07:03:36JdGordonis the playlist catalog setting actually settable outside of the config.cfg? (i.e in menus)
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07:03:45JdGordonthe manual doesnt say very much here
07:03:58JdGordon"The Playlist catalog offers a shortcut to all playlists in your player’s specified playlist directory. It can be used like the File Browser"
07:04:49*JdGordon should proably finish <a target="_blank" href="http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11808">FS #11808a> to fix that suckiness
07:05:36LloreanJdGordon: Would it be possible in the theming of lists to also make the scroll direction configurable? So you could scroll up/down or right left (by single entries or pages)? I guess I'm not sure if that is a 'theme' setting, but sideways scrolling might be desired for the grid-style.
07:06:45JdGordonwell, sideways will be how it works in a grid pattern
07:07:20JdGordonall targets with page scrolling will work as expected
07:09:08LloreanWell, as long as scrolling of strings works, I'm pretty much happy really. But *I* like vertical scrolling grids m'self, but also see a lot of horizontal ones, which is why I felt optional might be good.
07:09:29LloreanDo RTL locales typically also scroll 'pages' of icons right to left as well?
07:11:17JdGordonno idea how RTL scrolls through icon tables
07:11:35JdGordoni imageine they are ordered differently but otherwise as expected
07:12:04JdGordoni.e they start at the top right and move left instead of starting top left
07:12:36LloreanYeah, but for example, do you then swipe your finger from left to right because the "next" page is to the left of the current page, rather than to the right?
07:13:13*JdGordon will try to get a hold of some israeli buddies to ask
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11:54:53Tag_type9which is preferable for R-Box ID3v2.3 or ID3v2.4 ?
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11:57:24sideralTag_type9: I don't think is makes much difference for Rockbox. AFAIR, Rockbox supports ID3v2.4, including UTF-8-encoded tags
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12:01:47Tag_type9thanks
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12:25:28rg-perhow does R-Box's RG playback the following, Music collection is scanned with "Scan Per File Track", Rockbox RG is set to Album Gain. Will all the tracks be played at the same volume level ?
12:25:59TorneI *think* if there is no album gain tag on a given track it falls back to the track gain tag
12:26:02Tornebut not sure
12:26:56AlexPrg-per: It isn't necessary to have a different nick representative of the question for each question :)
12:27:16JdGordonrg-per: you'll help everyone if you stop using abbreviations please. I assume RG is supposed to mean replay gain? others might guess something else
12:29:35rg-perobjection noted JDG. RG is indeed Replay Gain. all the tracks have their relevant values, just that the albums were scanned with Foobar as "Per File Track", if Rockbox's RGain is set to album, I guess that playback will be at the same volume ?
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13:01:24JdGordonDoes anyone actually use the "screen scrolls out of view" setting?
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13:27:45AlexPI don't even know what it does :)
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13:28:51TorneB4gder: would you be able to make a symlink on the git server called something like rockbox-svn pointing at the existing svn clone, so I can tell people who are using that to change their remotes so I don't break them later when we start doing the migration proper?
13:31:36n1sJdGordon: i don't use it but thought it would be one of those things that are easily forgotten
13:32:22JdGordonn1s: I dont use it either, and i'm not too worried about not supposrting all the avilable list settings from the start
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13:33:31n1ssure, but i'd rather not have list settings that only work in some lists
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13:37:22kugelit's a setting which shouldn't have been added in the first place ;)
13:37:29kugelwho uses it, really?
13:41:10n1sit's *old* so i assume it might have been nice on small lcds where you would have most filenames etc longer than could be shown
13:42:28AlexPSo if I understand the manual correctly, if it is off and you hold left/right to scroll then only those entries longer than the screen will scroll
13:42:44AlexPIf it is on, then all will scroll, leading to them disappearing off the screen?
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13:43:46amiconnDisappearing eventually. The setting can be useful if you have several tracks with the same prefix (e.g. Interpret) in a folder
13:44:32n1sAlexP: just tested adn that is correct
13:44:48amiconnScrolling all lines equally keeps the nice line-up, while scrolling each line until its right end doesn't
13:45:14AlexPwell, I have no strong feeling about the setting itself - only that if we introduce new ways of doing things we should either strive to make them support all settings, or if the setting is useless remove it
13:45:18amiconnThat said, I don't use horizontal screen scrolling at all, even on Archos
13:45:51n1sit's actually quite confusing imo, if i first long press right things scroll, and if i then press long left they scroll back, but if i just press long left i go up several levels in the file tree
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14:07:24JdGordonI'm not putting effort into a setting noone uses though :) not while there is other stuff to worry about
14:07:34JdGordonI was more hoping to get discussion on the rest of the idea
14:10:29JdGordonalsotime to bump <a target="_blank" href="http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11808">http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11808a> ?
14:10:45JdGordonanyone remember any thoughts they had on the playlist handling changes
14:16:38sideralkugel: Have you been able to reproduce any of the recent dircache breakage, and do you intend to fix any of it? stack overflows, garbage filenames in file browser, tagcache corruption?
14:16:44sideralI'm asking because running without dircache is somewhat inconvenient :)
14:19:29n1sJdGordon: sounds good, although i hardly use premade playlists
14:25:43kugelsideral: I thought it was a "simple" stkov problem?
14:25:56kugelI'm not convinced my patches actually increased stack usage
14:26:48sideralWell, all observations of the stack-overflow issue are post-3.9, so that's suspicious :)
14:27:10sideraland there's also the other issues I mentioned.
14:27:20sideralalso new after your june commits
14:27:23kugelyou once said someone reported it on 3.9
14:28:21sideralkugel: I thought we discussed this before? He first said it was 3.9, but then produced a version number that corresponds to a post-3.9 build
14:28:39kugelI don't remember that
14:29:05sideralOK, then maybe I dreamt it, apologies
14:30:14sideralI think people often are unaware of the release-branch forking and confuse a current build from the day of the release with the actual release
14:31:06kugeldid you check if bumping the stack helps?
14:31:50sideralNot yet. I've seen the stack overflow only once myself. But I can reliably reproduce the trashed-filename problem
14:33:10sideralI think it's related to dircache reloading after a tagcache update as well
14:33:14kugelall other problems could be caused by the stkov ;)
14:33:47siderala trashed filename in every dir? seems unlikely, but not inconceivable ;)
14:39:34sideralkugel: Are you aware of <a target="_blank" href="http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12175">FS #12175a>? You don't seem to be subscribed to it
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15:21:18sideralFlyspray doesn't offer 3.9 in the version field. Who'd be able to fix this?
15:29:16AlexPA swede
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16:17:38Slasherikugel: there is no d_names_start -= offset but only d_names_end -= offset in end of the dircache_build()?
16:18:16Slasherikugel: also this kind of syntax makes code horribly to read: ptrdiff_t offset = d_names_start - dst, size_to_move;
16:19:52Slasherii would make a second declaration for size_to_move. It took me a long time to realize there were two variables declared in that line
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16:41:19kugelSlasheri: we do that kind of declaration everywhere
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16:41:59kugelSlasheri: but you could have found the issue indeed
16:42:21kugelperhaps it (or something else) slipped in when I made the code changes pamaury suggested
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16:58:21*amiconn agrees with Slasheri that this is bad style
16:59:41Torneyeah, that's horrid
16:59:48amiconnEither declare multiple variables, or declare and assign at once, but then only one variable per statement
16:59:55Torneinitialising to a short literal is just about tolerable
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17:00:00Tornebut a nontrivial expression, absolutely not
17:00:07Torne(on the4 same line as other declarations, i mean)
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17:17:59kugelSorry!
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18:57:04sideralSlasheri, kugel: With the d_names_start fix outlined above, at first sight the trashed directory entries seem to be gone.
18:57:56Slasherisideral: great
18:58:31Slasheriyour player builds dircache foreground on every boot?
18:58:54sideralI think so. I'm using a FuzeV2 right now
18:59:16Slasheriok, then that's another problem
18:59:32Slasheriit should normally build it in background
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19:00:35sideralErm. The 2nd time (after DB update) is definitely in background. I actually don't know how it's build the first time; probably background as well.
19:00:52siderals/build/built/
19:01:16Slasheriif it says "scanning disk" on boot, that's foreground
19:01:23Slasheriotherwise bg
19:02:27sideralI think I've seen that message flash by. It vanishes pretty quickly so I'm not sure. :) But the 2nd dircache build definitely is in the background. Why does it matter, BTW?
19:03:01sideralI think the buggy code is definitely run after the DB update
19:03:18Slasheribecause that fix should only help if dircache is built foreground
19:03:44Slasherino, that should be different code
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19:08:29Slasherisideral: hmm, in fact, if you have a very small dircache, it will be always built foreground
19:08:54Slasherithat is, smaller than 64 KiB
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19:09:55sideralSlasheri: It's currently 270K, including the 64K reserve
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19:10:40Slasherisideral: interesting
19:10:46Slasherisideral: anyway, i will commit the fix
19:11:19sideralseems like a good idea. I can see how the file-browser trashing could happen without it :)
19:13:15sideralSlasheri: BTW, it looks like with dircache compaction, my DB RAM usage is now larger than my dircache. This sheds a new light on the logic for buffer allocation for DB commit, which currently uses the dircache buffer on the assumption that it will be larger
19:13:50CIA-14New commit by 03miipekk (r30122): Initialize the d_names_start pointer correctly in dircache. This should ...
19:13:54sideralThis could explain why my DB hasn't committed w/o reboot in the past few weeks :)
19:15:00Slasherihmm, interesting as well :)
19:15:37Slasherimaybe the commit() should check which one of those buffers is larger :)
19:17:01sideralI prefer not deallocating the dircache anyway, because my <a target="_blank" href="http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12073">FS #12073a> hack (dynamically add files to database as they are played) depends on this :)
19:17:45CIA-14r30122 build result: All green
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19:20:23*sideral needs to go offline now. See you later!
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19:33:50wodzpamaury: ping
19:37:19pamaurypong
19:37:25pamauryhi wodz
19:38:21wodzpamaury: what is status var in usb_core_transfer_complete() ?
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19:38:47wodz0 means success and anything else?
19:38:51pamaury0 means success, !=0 means error
19:39:15wodzcan I return arbitrary value or errors have some meaning?
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19:40:35pamaurywhat you want
19:40:44pamauryI think drivers are not consistent on this point
19:42:37wodzand another question - when handling OUT ep I know the expected len from SETUP stage. Now I accumulate data and at the end I should issue zero len packet and listen for answer. Is this correct?
19:42:56wodzor can I ignore the answer?
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19:48:39pamaurywodz: you don't have to do anything special for OUT ep, the core does the usb_drv_recv and the ZLP ack by usb_drv_send normally
19:49:08bluebrotheris anyone still _actively_ using Cygwin to develop / build Rockbox?
19:49:37Buschel_bluebrother: well, not anymore but it worked 4 weeks ago ;)
19:49:43AlexPpondlife, although he has been quiet recently
19:49:52AlexPamiconn uses it, no?
19:49:54bluebrotherhmm, the svn log on the front page is broken. B4gder?
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19:50:12AlexPThat's been broken for a while now :)
19:50:15pamauryyeah
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19:50:16bluebrotherBuschel_: well, the question is not about it working but about people actually using it :)
19:50:30amiconnI'm using it regularly for building voice files
19:50:46bluebrotheramiconn said that he uses it only for voice files, so I don't consider that to count for "develop" :)
19:51:13AlexPOK
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19:51:20Tornebluebrother: i think quite a few noncommitters who contribute do
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19:51:45bluebrotherwhich basically brings me to the point that I think the Cygwin build setup is some kind of unmaintained.
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19:51:55Tornei think you would be right :)
19:51:58amiconnThis does require that a few parts of rockbox build properly, e.g. in order to create apps/features
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19:52:07AlexPIt essentially has been for a while
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19:52:17AlexPIt gets broken then fixed when someone complains
19:52:22bluebrotherand I'm wondering if we should announce it that way to avoid people to expect it working
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19:52:47bluebrotherlike for that guy in the forums a while ago who tried to build Rockbox for Android on Cygwin (which is definitely broken)
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19:52:50Tornebluebrother: the suggestion at devcon was to change how we do the whole vmware thing
19:53:00bluebrotherTorne: yes.
19:53:02TorneI have been intending to produce debian/ubuntu packages containing our toolchain/etc
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19:53:10Tornejust not gotten around to it yet because of git migration
19:53:17Torneanyway i think we should probably do that first
19:53:24AlexPWe are overdue for a new image also
19:53:27Tornemake sure tha tit's reasonably easy to get a working vmware/virtualbox/etc environment
19:53:30bluebrotherhmm.
19:53:34AlexPFor Windows people
19:53:40Tornethen maybe we can discuss telling everyone that cygwin is deprecated
19:53:55TorneAlexP: well if we do it the other way around we can point at someone else's general ubuntu image
19:53:58Torneor whatever.
19:54:03bluebrotherwell, my idea was to have the website / wiki say something like "building on Cygwin is deprecated and might or might not work. We don't actively maintain it but happily accept patches"
19:54:16AlexPTorne: yes, that'd work
19:54:28Tornebluebrother: sure, but i still think we should maybe make sure we have a current and reasonably easy alternative first
19:54:33*Torne shrugs
19:55:50bluebrotherTorne: true, but would it make that much of a difference? AFAIU there aren't much users, and those people are likely to be able to fix smaller issues themselves.
19:56:20Tornei just think it'll cause complaints
19:56:22Tornei mean it will anyway
19:56:26Tornebut more complaints :)
19:56:45bluebrotherhmm. Not sure about that but you could be right :)
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20:00:02bluebrotherhow hard would it be to build such an Ubuntu package to do the necessary things? I'm not an Ubuntu guy ...
20:02:12TorneNot particularly hard to do it in a kinda ugly way :)
20:02:22Buschelwouldn't it be sufficient to give all the details about required packages and how to install them? it's not that much
20:02:24TorneDoing it to inclusion-in-repository standards would be a huge pain
20:02:40TorneBuschel: our toolchain is not a package
20:02:41Torne(yet)
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20:02:52Tornethe idea is we have a package that contains already-compiled binaries with the latest rockbox toolchains
20:03:01Tornewhich also depends on all the other packages required to build
20:03:13Buschelwell, calling the script to build the cross-compilers isn't that hard either
20:03:14Tornesuch that you just add an apt source and apt-get install rockbox-dev-environment
20:03:31TorneBuschel: you say that
20:03:49TorneThe thing is.. if it was that easy then nobody would expect us to provide a vmware image in the first place ;)
20:04:03*Torne shrugs
20:04:05BuschelTorne: well, for cygwin we force users to do so since we sitched to eabi
20:04:07*bluebrother guesses he could do something like that for Fedora ... no idea about Ubuntu though
20:04:17TorneBuschel: yes, and that made a lot of people kinda upset
20:04:39*Buschel remembers he was upset
20:04:40bluebrotherhmm, maybe I should give that a look? Or is Fedora that much out of discussion for users?
20:04:48Tornebluebrother: i doubt very many people care
20:04:52Torne:)
20:04:53Buschel(because my notebook was sooo slow)
20:05:09bluebrotherBuschel: create new Cygwin packages then! ;-)
20:05:10Torneif i am sufficiently careful then I should be able to make a .deb that works on multiple debian and ubuntu releases without being rebuilt
20:05:47Buschelbluebrother: I dropped it and migrated to VM −− which is kindof Warp-drive compared to cygwin
20:05:54bluebrotherit's like ages since I built rpm packages though
20:05:55Torneit might even survive being turned into an rpm with alien
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21:26:41bluebrotherhmm, does gcc possibly not like building it with -j?
21:29:41Torne"it"?
21:29:53*Torne had no issue building our toolchains with -j100 if that helps
21:30:14bluebrotherstrange.
21:38:18Buschelbluebrother: cygwin?
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22:10:22bluebrotherhmm, why does rockboxdev.sh work fine when called directly but building gcc fails when calling it from rpmbuild?
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22:15:14bluebrotherseems it fails to find some flex output during configure.
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23:01:18ArcherSevenJust wanted to send my kudos. Just rockboxed an old iPod I've had sitting around as a paperweight for a while and I'm really impressed.
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23:55:45kugelSlasheri: thank you for fixing my bugs
23:55:58CIA-14New commit by 03pamaury (r30123): elftosb: remove duplicate code, merge two redundant fields

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