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#rockbox log for 2011-07-07

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02:09:37clmoe>charger present
02:09:42clmoe>state error
02:09:46clmoe>charger: 81
02:09:48clmoewhat does this mean?
02:09:50clmoeclip plus
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07:12:51clmoeMan it's p.dead in here
07:13:49JdGordonThis channel is mostly awake during euro day hours
07:14:12clmoeYou work with the clipp any?
07:14:50JdGordonmy clip+'s battery died months ago and not since then :(
07:14:58JdGordoni really should buy a new one.. favorite dap
07:15:12clmoehttp://pastebin.com/Jv0rcxpa
07:15:17clmoeCheck my battery life
07:15:34clmoenot a complete run, but if you compare the discharge times and voltages to the runs on the wiki
07:17:36clmoethe first discharge was 3993 to 3977 over the course of four hours
07:17:53clmoein this (http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/pub/Main/SansaRuntime/battery_bench_Clip_8-22-10.txt) that took three min
07:19:29clmoeThe discharge curve must be different though, because I believe the other discharge was closer to 10x the capacity, according to that bit it's about 78x
07:21:29clmoeoh, I bet the headphones wern't plugged in
07:21:30clmoeshoot
07:21:32clmoeoh well
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13:30:55mdipoltcan anyone me add to Wiki Users Group my account name is ManuelDipolt, i would like to add a new porting target
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14:17:31TheLemonManno interrupts get fired, what can be the reason ?
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14:20:00pamauryit is not enable
14:20:21pamauryor there is no reason to trigger
14:22:47TheLemonMani setted the icoll properly and enabled a timer interrupt
14:25:59pamauryeach timer has a a bit to enable the signal to be routed to the icoll
14:26:52pamauryand you need to properly setup the timer to actually tick
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14:33:51TheLemonMandid that too
14:36:18pamauryforgot to update & reload
14:36:41pamauryworse, forgot to enable the timer/rotary block
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15:43:07TheLemonManpamaury, is resetting each block at startup needed ?
15:44:07pamauryno, but blocks initially start gated so you must disable clock gate on some
15:44:38TheLemonManlet's try to reset the timctrl then
15:44:46pamaurythere is some code for the imx233 timer in the sVN
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15:45:19TheLemonManyep, got a peek but i'm doing pretty much the same thing
15:45:33TheLemonManexcept for the clkgate reset
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15:47:11pamauryif you derive the timer clock for the crystal, be sure to enable the xtal clk32 path
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16:23:50TheSevencan rockbox make use of an asymmetric multiprocessing system?
16:23:58TheSevenARM7+ARM11? :)
16:24:18*TheSeven just found proof of an ARM7 coprocessor in an ipod :)
16:25:15pamaurywow, two ARMs in an iPod :-o
16:25:18pamaurywhich ipod ?
16:25:25TheSevennano4g
16:25:34pamauryrockbox has multiprocessor support but I don't know to which extend
16:26:19pamaurytraditionally it's core + cop so it's not really general multitasking
16:26:31pamaurybut perhaps jhMikeS knows that ?
16:26:48pamaurywhat is the state of the nano4g ?
16:27:12TheSeveni'm currently attempting to make the DDR RAM work
16:30:01pamauryhow do the ARM interact ? they have shared access to the RAM ?
16:30:42TheSevenyes, apparently they're sitting on the same system bus
16:35:26pamaurynice
16:37:52TorneIt might be tricky to get the code to compile exactly right without some build system work
16:38:04Tornesince we'll probably be compiling for ARMv6, no?
16:38:28Tornethe PP code assumes both cores can run any code in .text
16:38:42Tornewhich isn't true if they aren't the same architecture version :)
16:41:14pamauryperhaps with gcc attribute/pragma magic ? :)
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16:42:30Tornepamaury: well, i mean, it expects to be able to run the same exact functoin on both cores a lot of the time
16:42:36Tornethere isn't one set of code for each cpu
16:42:40Tornethey overlap
16:42:52saratogai guess worst case we could do like on the TI DSPs, where we compile the code separately and just link it
16:43:03saratogaalthough thats annoying and kind of silly if they're both arm
16:43:44pamauryah, then yeah, you need to compile separatly
16:44:01saratogakind of depends what you want to do with the coprocessor i guess
16:44:16saratogaarm7 isn't the most efficient thing for codecs, so it might not be all that useful
16:44:40saratogaunless its one of those weird flavors like arm7E
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16:47:26amiconnTorne: Otoh we're doing explicit multiprocessing, so it's not that bad
16:48:00TorneOh, sure
16:48:02amiconnWe "just" need to be careful about those functions which are actually running on both cores
16:48:04Tornethere's not *lots* of code that runs on both
16:48:12Tornebut there is no particular defined set, i meant
16:48:29Tornebecause with SMP it doesn't actually matter :)
16:49:07amiconnMaybe it would make sense to run an actually separate kernel in the asymmetric case
16:49:15Tornepossibly
16:49:39Tornei guess we want to see exactly what kind of arm it is and what communication abilities it has besides shared memory :)
16:49:49Tornedecide if there's something we can usefully do
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18:57:42TheSevenWTF
18:58:05TheSeveni accidentally overclocked that nano4g to 1066MHz and both the ARM11 and ARM7 seem to be running stable
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18:58:18TheSevenonly the DDR memory doesn't seem to like it :)
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19:02:09wodzTheSeven: 1GHz barrier braking rb device?
19:02:28TheSevenfor non-raaa at least :)
19:02:36TheSevenofficial speed i 532MHz
19:03:00TheLemonMani don't think the battery will be happy about this news :)
19:03:50wodzf*** the battery :-)
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19:05:42pamaurywow, arm7 at 1Ghz is quite a boost !
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19:07:27TheLemonManmmh, i have a little licensing question
19:07:49TheLemonMani have ripped all the registers defines from the kernel source samsung sent me
19:08:01TheLemonManbut theres the confidential mark on the header
19:08:06saratogaprobably a clock divider in there somewhere, no way you're getting a 3 stage ARM7 core to 1GHz
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19:08:51saratogaTheLemonMan: i don't think defines themselves are copyrightable, although if theres any logic at all in there then thats a different story
19:09:13TheLemonManit's just addresses and bitfields definitions
19:09:18saratogaalthough if they asked you to keep the document in confidence, maybe you should ask them?
19:10:04TheLemonManthey've not said anything about it, the header in the files says its confidential infos
19:10:14pamauryTheLemonMan: if you plan to port rockbox, please try to reuse existing code/defines, especially since the imx233 has zillions of them
19:10:40TheLemonManit's completely different :( except for some parts
19:11:03TheLemonManthe icoll has another struct that is totally different from the imx23 one
19:13:20pamauryso this isn't an imx233 ?
19:14:37TheLemonMannope, a stmp3750
19:15:00TheLemonMani don't even know if the registers are valid for all the 37xx line
19:15:34pamauryI thought you told me they told you it had the same registers ?
19:15:43wodzTheLemonMan: are this defines form linux kernel sources? If so they are covered by GPL regardles of fancy disclimer
19:16:14TheLemonMansome registers have the same address and meaning while other are completely different
19:17:01TheLemonManwodz, yep, but those are from sigmatel linux kit (at least i presume)
19:18:05wodzthis doesn't matter
19:18:59wodzYou requested code, you got it - it is redistributable, period.
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20:05:31kugelwodz: it's not that easy I think
20:05:54kugelalthough I think the "confidential stuff" is standard-blabla also found in many emails
20:07:11saratogatechnically if they send you code under a proprietary license, you may not be able to distribute it
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20:08:33wodzsaratoga: For me it is easy. GPL explicitly gives you the ability to ask for source if you use binary. This is the case here.
20:10:51kugelwodz: he got source files, which can have different licenses
20:11:10saratogaunless they say GPL on them, you need to be careful they're actually GPL
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20:11:52kugelas I understand there was never a binary distribution with this files compiled in
20:12:54wodzthat depands on what kernel runs on his device
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20:14:00kugelif it belongs to the linux kernel running on this device, then it's pretty clear yes. otherwise perhaps not :)
20:16:16wodzthats how I understand the situation
20:16:31kugelI don't really know the situation :)
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20:29:17TheSevensaratoga: seems like the ARM7 is running at half the base clock, so the ARM11 is running at 532 officially, 1064 effectively, and the ARM7 at 266 officially, 532 effectively
20:29:43saratogapretty good, fastest i've seen is like 150 MHz for arm7
20:31:09kugelthese numbers seem unbelievable
20:32:10TheSevenwell, as I said the DRAM interface went nuts at these clocks, and I2C was a bit flaky as well
20:32:17wodzsaratoga, rk27xx rates arm7-ejs at 200-240 Mhz depending on the version
20:32:21TheSevenbut I was surprised that USB communication seemed to work fine
20:32:56TheSevenIIRC the older apple SoCs were also easily overclocable by >50%, without overvolting
20:33:04TheSevenoverclockable*
20:33:47TheSeventhis processor was apparently designed for an ipod touch, so I guess 532MHz is not all that much :)
20:34:20wodzTheSeven: what is current status of nano4g ?
20:36:14TheSevenhm, it draws a whopping 90mA at 532MHz waiting in a busy loop
20:36:26TheSevenwodz: trying to get the lowlevel stuff going
20:36:30TheSevenLCD is up next
20:37:19wodzso you halted classic development for now I guess
20:38:18TheSevenwell, I have no idea what to do about the classic, and am joining the nano4g efforts as there was a breakthrough some days ago
20:38:42TheSevenonce i figure out what's going on with the classic I'll happily fix it :)
20:39:17TheSevenhm, 125mA on USB @1064MHz
20:40:05TheSeventhat would be 3 hours runtime with the LCD off
20:40:33TheSevenso probably like 1.5-2 hours at 1064MHz full load with LCD at full brightness
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21:10:51B3nHi all, I have compiled the latest rockbox from svn, and am attempting to connect a newly flashed iPod classic to a mac, I have read that I need to disable USB HID, yet I cant find the option. Any ideas?
21:13:46gevaertsB3n: as far as I can see HID isn't enabled on the classic
21:14:47B3nok, yet the mac only offers the option to initialise the disk
21:15:38B3nWe have 2 classics here, an 80GB and 120GB
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21:18:43B3nWin7 and Mint read them happily
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21:19:37B3nMe neither... its not my mac :P
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22:28:52pamauryTheSeven: what was the breakthrough on nano4g ?
22:30:10TheSevensome people have finally reversed the third bootloader stage and reimplemented that part, so we now have working DRAM
22:31:00pamaurydo you have the docs for the cpu ?
22:31:32pamaurys/cpu/soc
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22:34:22TheSevenno, nothing at all
22:34:43TheSevenjust what has been reversed
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22:36:25pamaurywow, pretty hard
22:36:50pamauryand is the nano5g still stuck ?
22:37:29clmoeAnyone in here work with the clipp?
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22:39:47pamauryyou mean the clip+ ? depends on what you call "work" :)
22:40:32TheSevenpamaury: there's still no known exploit for the 5g
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22:43:57pamaurywhat kind of encryption does it use ?
22:47:55TheSevenAES, SHA1, RSA, ...
22:47:59TheSevennothing weak
22:48:31TheSeventhey do public key cryptography for signing the firmware, and additionally check hashes encrypted with a hardware key
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23:29:56clmoeAnyone who knows details of the charging with the clipp
23:30:18clmoeI keep getting an error (81 in the debug) after charging for a few hours
23:30:56clmoeI'm not sure if the charging is controlled by software or hardware. If it's software, then I need to find out how to modify the charging section a bit since I'm running a signifigantly larger battery then stock
23:30:57jhMikeSit could be taking longer to charge than the current timer setting allows
23:31:00clmoe(sp)
23:31:07clmoeyeah, it's probably that
23:31:27clmoeI've supposidly got 4400mah of capacity now, compared to 270mah in the original
23:31:51jhMikeSdoes unplugging and replugging continue the charging?
23:32:03clmoeyes it does
23:32:14clmoethough I'd have to do that a lot to get a full charge
23:33:12clmoeLooking at the batterybench it looks like it's set to four hours
23:33:37clmoeI'd guess this takes at least 12 hours, maybe over 20. I'm not sure
23:34:07clmoegot about .130v in four hours, from 4.0 to 4.13
23:34:42clmoeoh excuse me, not counting the voltage jump for charging it was closer to 0.09v
23:34:58jhMikeS /firmware/target/arm/as3525/powermgmt-target.h sets it to four hours
23:34:59clmoe3990>4086
23:35:17clmoeso, how do I go about changing it?
23:35:23clmoeI usually don't muck around in the code
23:35:42jhMikeSedit the file and recompile. you can change the maximum current too
23:35:57clmoethat would probably be helpful
23:36:16jhMikeSmax current is very long (150mA)
23:36:17clmoemy only worry would be tripping the protection circuit. I'm still running through the original protection circuit
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23:37:29jhMikeSI think it should be ok to trip
23:37:45jhMikeSI've tripped them before.
23:37:57clmoedoes it just stop current until it drops down?
23:38:08clmoeI'd hate to have to take all the crap off and re open the clip
23:38:17jhMikeSif you're talking about the battery protection circuit, it does protect against shorts
23:38:44clmoeMy new cells supposidly have protection circuits in them as well...I'd figure the original has short protection as well as over current and voltage
23:38:59clmoeprobably 3.3-4.2v or so, no clue on current
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23:41:23jhMikeSI think the only (non-damaged) case where it won't come back online is a drop below 2.3V
23:42:22clmoeyeah, but the firmware shuts down way before then
23:42:46jhMikeSself-discharge can let it drain further
23:44:09clmoeyeah, but it'd take a long time to get there
23:44:37clmoeI used to have issues with my X5L not starting when it was cold because the battery voltage would drop. Even on a low battery I don't think I ever saw it below 3.3v
23:44:50clmoeand that's including the artifical drop due to temps
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23:46:33jhMikeSyou're probably safe upping the current a couple settings and lengthening the charge timeout
23:47:21clmoeIf there is something in the software that stops charging when the battery hits 4.2v, I'd probably change the charge timeout to something obnoxiously long
23:47:33clmoeI don't know how long it would take for a full charge, but it's going to take a while
23:48:17TheLemonManhow should i go to add a new board target ?
23:49:21jhMikeSclmoe: it doesn't stop charging at 4.2V, somewhere near there, it goes into constant voltage mode and continues until the current hits 10% of the constant current setting
23:50:40clmoeso, it should be good without a timeout?
23:51:20jhMikeSsure, of course you can find out how long it takes from a bench and set it to a new value
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23:54:06jhMikeSthe charging is monitored by hardware but the parameters set by software
23:54:49jhMikeSthe timeout is just to not take forever trying to charge a battery the refuses to charge
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