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#rockbox log for 2011-07-10

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00:20:47[7]any ARM expert around?
00:21:09*[7] needs some help with ARMv6 cache coherency
00:21:30[7]what do I need to do after copying around code before jumping into it?
00:21:42[7]mcrp15, 0, r9,c7,c10,0 @ clean data cache
00:21:42[7]mcrp15, 0, r9,c7,c10,4 @ drain write buffer
00:21:42[7]mcrp15, 0, r9,c7,c5 @ invalidate instruction cache
00:21:42DBUGEnqueued KICK [7]
00:21:42[7]doesn't seem to do the trick
00:22:37Torneer
00:22:52Tornei will check what the flush-to-PoU sequence is supposed to be
00:23:01kugel[7]: don't we have code for that?
00:23:04Tornei have it here somewhere :)
00:23:11Tornekugel: It's *probably* wrong
00:23:12[7]kugel: certainly, but where?
00:23:22Tornearmv6 and onwards make this hilariously odd
00:23:38Torne[7]: i suspect you are missing flushing BTB or similar weirdness..
00:23:39kugel[7]: some file the beast compiles probably
00:23:46Tornei'll find my reference
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00:24:11kugelI heard the beast can run codecs so we must have it working for armv6 ;)
00:24:24[7]anyway, i'm 100% sure that there can't be any stale icache lines from before the cleaning operation
00:24:37[7](there is no code being executed from that memory range up to this point)
00:25:08[7]so I'm assuming that something is already prefetching things before the dcache/wb flush completes
00:25:11kugel[7]: mmu-armv6.S?
00:27:32Torne[7]: that's not possible if you invalidate the icache *afterward*
00:27:38serenity is it possible to do a screendump on an oled device?
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00:28:06[7]serenity: I see no reason why it wouldn't
00:28:11[7]just try it?
00:28:22serenitydid so, but no pic is stored
00:28:42serenitywiki is talking about screendump on led devices
00:28:51AlexPserenity: You turned on screen dump, then plugged in usb?
00:28:57serenityyes
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00:29:03Torne[7]: do you know which arm it is specifically?
00:29:10[7]1176jz-s
00:29:40CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
00:29:40*serenity is just writing a big blogpost about rockbox. And ppl love screenshots ;)
00:29:45[7]16k 4way icache/dcache, 32 bytes linesize
00:30:38Torne[7]: does it have an L2 cache?
00:30:55Torneit shouldn't matter if it's a sensible one, but i'm curious :)
00:31:06[7]hm, how can I figure that out?
00:31:50gevaertsserenity: I have this vague memory (but I could be wrong) that screendumps don't work on AMSv2 devices because *all* USB handling is disabled
00:31:55[7]in case a cp15 c0 dump helps you: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Nano_4G#Status_registers
00:32:01Torne[7]: varies wildly depending on L2 cache controller
00:32:20serenitygevaerts: ah, that sounds reasonable
00:32:23serenitythanks
00:32:24[7]heh, this is an apple soc, so we'll probably never figure that out then
00:32:51serenityhmm, doing a photo sucks on this small display
00:34:41[7]mcrp15, 0, r9,c7,c10,0 @ clean data cache
00:34:41[7]mcrp15, 0, r9,c7,c10,4 @ drain write buffer
00:34:41[7]mcrp15, 0, r9,c7,c5,4 @ flush branch target cache
00:34:41[7]mcrp15, 0, r9,c7,c5,5 @ flush prefetch buffer
00:34:41[7]mcrp15, 0, r9,c7,c5 @ invalidate instruction cache
00:34:42***Alert Mode level 1
00:34:42[7]Torne: does this look better?
00:34:51serenitymay i use the pics from the wiki?
00:36:04kugel[7]: pastebin etc is great
00:36:05gevaertsserenity: I don't really see why not. If you want your own screenshots, you can use the simulator though
00:36:32[7]kugel: for 6+ lines, I agree :)
00:36:50serenitybut is usb in the simulator also disabled?
00:37:06[7]well, you can at least screenshot the simulator by other means :)
00:37:11kugel[7]: also for less lines
00:37:15Torne[7]: branch predict flush is allegedly c5,7
00:37:21kugelespecially if they have weird chars
00:37:26Tornealas this was not *quite* standard in armv6
00:37:33Torneso documentation is.. wibbly
00:37:44serenity[7]: sure :)
00:37:52kugelthis is what the mmu-armv6.S also does
00:38:23kugeloh no, " mcr p15, 0, r0, c7, c5, 4 @ Flush prefetch buffer (IMB)"
00:38:39serenitythanks alot
00:38:49[7]another document says it's c5,6 :P
00:39:06[7],7 is by MVA
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00:39:34TorneOh, yeah, sorry
00:39:35Tornec5,6
00:39:47Torneanyway
00:39:55Tornethe beast is an arm1136r0 if i rememebr correctly
00:40:15Tornewhich is the first armv6 device (not armv6k) and implements a number of exciting things very subtly differently
00:40:34Torneso sadly it is possible that a couple of VMSA details differ very slightly
00:40:41Tornealternatively the existing code is wrong
00:40:45Torne:)
00:40:57TorneThe reference i would'veused which is "authoritative" is the symbian kernel code
00:41:01Tornebut i can't find a goddamn copy
00:41:19[7]this one is an r4
00:41:29Torneyah, but it's arm1176
00:41:36Tornewhich is designed much later and is always v6k
00:42:00[7]huge mess, eh?
00:42:07Torne1136r0 is kinda arm's slightly dodgy should've-been-a-prototype one
00:42:35Tornethe only plain v6 device afaik, all the others are v6k and implement the important missing bits :)
00:42:41Torneeven 1136r1
00:43:54*Torne needs to go sleep; good luck with that. i'll try and dig up the symbian code somewhere tomorrow and give you an authoritative list of how to do all cache/mmu ops on every ARM version ;)
00:44:12Tornebecause i know for sure the symbian code is right and it's much easier to follow than linux's
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00:48:29[7]Torne: so does this sound correct? c10,0 c10,4 c5,0 c5,6 c5,4
00:49:07Torneer, possibly
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01:36:02*[7] hates subtle problems like nothing else
01:36:46[7]just found out that, when using our hardware init code, the SDRAM on my ipod has a high bit error rate
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01:36:54[7]like 1 in 1000 bits is flipped
01:37:28[7]and if i read the same data again, the positions of the bit errors change => problem with the interface?
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01:47:56funmangevaerts: usb detection is implemented on AMSv2
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01:51:09funmangevaerts: hm maybe i spoke too fast, charging detection is implemented but not usb. seems weird, we should be able to detect USB insertion without rebooting to OF
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01:52:06gevaertsfunman: I seem to remember that the disabling is rather thorough
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02:05:34kugelgevaerts: I updated the wiki page and FS #12159 and added FS #12186 (in time for the upcoming mid-term evaluations I hope) according to my current state
02:05:35fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12159 3GSoC/Buflib: Remove direct audiobuf accesses (patches, new)
02:05:35fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12186 3GSoC/Buflib: Put extended buflib into core (patches, new)
02:06:28gevaertskugel: thanks!
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02:22:19kugelgevaerts: hopefully that will make the evaluation easier for you ;)
02:22:41gevaertskugel: it definitely will. That's my job for tomorrow evening :)
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02:31:12[7]who owns fs-bluebot btw?
02:33:28kugelbluebrother
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03:03:41funmangevaerts: r27837 only tells about rebooting, usb detection is reliable though
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11:26:22serenityhi
11:26:37serenityi wrote a blogpost about rockbox (in german) http://beyondserenity.wordpress.com/2011/07/10/rockbox_-_mp3-player_aufmotzen_leicht_gemacht/
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11:43:40AlexPserenity: The google translate version is fun :)
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11:43:59AlexPBtw, the clip is rather powerful as far as targets go
11:46:22AlexPserenity: Ignore this if already there, the translation isn't great - but when you mention all the millions of options it might be an idea to point at the manual?
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11:46:25AlexPNice though :)
11:46:30serenityis it? I thought it was the low-end version of players
11:46:43AlexPthe ipods are dual 80 MHz
11:46:52serenityoh
11:46:59AlexPthe irivers/iaudios single core 120 MHz
11:47:04AlexPwell, up to ipod video
11:47:18AlexPSo yeah, it isn't the most powerful, but it is pretty good :)
11:47:48AlexPOne version of the clip is rather lacking in RAM though IIRC
11:48:45AlexPanyway, a very minor point :)
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11:54:26serenityok, good to know
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12:00:59kugelgevaerts: I also pushed the work to repo.or.cz now (gsoc2-buflib-insertion2, but it's subject to rebasing)
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12:29:08bertrikWasn't there a size restriction on the "Building DB %d found" phrase for archosplayer?
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16:32:07Hotaru_greetings
16:34:45Hotaru_I need a small bit of assistance
16:34:58Hotaru_I want to install Rockbox on my Sansa Clip V2
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16:35:09Hotaru_but it requires a piece of original firmware to install
16:35:35Hotaru_and I don't have one of those, and the sandisk updater doesn't want to suppoly me with one either
16:35:53Hotaru_any advice where I can get myself an original firmware file?
16:36:50gevaertsHotaru_: doesn't rockbox utility give you a link?
16:37:01Hotaru_not to a file
16:37:16Hotaru_it links me to the sansa forum where the only thing I can get is the downloader
16:37:26Hotaru_and the wiki on rockbox, which in turn links to the forum
16:38:20gevaertsAs far as I can see, that forum page also has a link to a zip file
16:40:25*Hotaru_ goes to check again
16:40:44gevaertsLook for "Manual Firmware Update download and Instructions"
16:40:54Hotaru_where do you see that?
16:41:12Hotaru_on the sandisk forum?
16:41:14gevaertsyes
16:44:08Hotaru_feel free to call me stupid
16:45:37gevaertshm, maybe the link from the manual and from rockbox utility is different?
16:45:39*gevaerts checks
16:47:34gevaertsright, rockbox utility links to the forum main page.
16:48:02gevaertsHave a look at http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Clip-Clip/Sansa-Clip-Firmware-01-01-35-amp-02-01-35-Release/td-p/144965
16:48:06gevaertsThe download is in there
16:48:19AlexPThe manual links to a page I think
16:48:32gevaertsyes, it does. I'm not sure why it's different
16:48:40AlexPI wonder if rbutil was done like that in case the page changes
16:48:47AlexPMind you
16:49:10AlexPPeople will just download rbutil when they want to install, so if we update rbutil if the page ever does change it should be OK
16:49:32AlexPI didn't realise it didn't link to the page, probably explains why people get confused
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16:57:52*bertrik still wonders about the 01.02.16 firmware for the sansa clip+
16:58:15bertrikSome people have this firmware on their player but it's not available for download through the update util yet
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19:22:25Roastedsup guys. is there a way to uninstall rockbox?
19:22:30RoastedI'm getting a file not found on my sansa.
19:27:33gevaertsRoasted: which sansa?
19:27:33Roastedfuse
19:27:33Roasted8gb
19:27:33gevaertsRoasted: reinstall the original firmware. That will remove the rockbox bootloader.
19:27:38RoastedI've been having a ton of issue with this thing for a long time, so I just want to nuke everything and get it to how I had it when I bought it
19:27:42Roastedthen I can start over
19:29:11Roastedcan this be done in linux?
19:30:30gevaertssure, you just have to copy a file
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19:52:08gevaertsRoasted: first fix the filesystem, either by running fsck.vfat with the right permissions and arguments, or by reformatting it from within the original firmware. Then reinstall the original firmware.
19:53:41Roastedwell I did just format it when in the default sansa OS.
19:53:41Roastedso I guess now I could just reinstall the original firmware?
19:53:41gevaertsright, so now reinstall the OF
19:53:41Roastedk
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20:12:12bluebroth3rAlexP: Rockbox Utility links to a Sandisk forum thread. Maybe that URL got changes (I wasn't too fond of linking to a specific thread directly anyway since it's much harder to update that in case of changes compared to a wiki page or the manual)
20:12:24bluebroth3rmuch harder as in it takes longer until deployed.
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20:14:21bluebroth3rhmm, seems my memory was serving me wrong.
20:15:08bluebroth3ranyway, I'd prefer linking to the manual and wiki only anyway.
20:15:37bluebroth3rstrange, I really thought it links to the forum thread.
20:19:39bluebroth3rAlexP: either way, funman added that link to Rockbox Utility so you need to ask him :)
20:21:24funmanperaps the idea was to link to the last firmware upgrade
20:24:44funmanbluebroth3r: Rockbox Utility linking to the manual is a very good idea
20:25:30bluebroth3rAlexP: ah, of course: the bootloader installation class doesn't know about the selected player model, so it can't provide a deep link based on that.
20:26:10bluebroth3rRockbox Utility _is_ linking to the manual (and it was linking to the manual even before the link to the Sandisk forums was there :)
20:26:29bluebroth3rbut maybe some kind of link-only wiki page would make sense.
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20:30:07funmanbluebroth3r: make: *** No rule to make target `icons/rockbox-clef.svg', needed by `build/rcc/qrc_rbutilqt.cpp'. Stop.
20:31:07funmandid you forget to commit it?
20:34:48bluebroth3rfunman: no, that file was moved.
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20:34:48*bluebroth3r checks
20:36:26bluebroth3rlooks ok here. Have you also updated the docs folder?
20:37:14Roastednot thinking it made a difference. Formatted the fuze and put the original ffirmware on it, but all of my music shows up as "." despite the name and ID tag being correct
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20:38:25bluebroth3rfunman: re-running qmake might help, this looks like an outdated Makefile
20:38:37bluebroth3rcurrent svn builds fine for me.
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20:38:51bluebroth3rreminds me ...
20:39:43Viperfang_hmm, how do i tell which native bitmap my device uses as a boot splash?
20:40:07saratogaprobably which ever one matches the size of your screen
20:40:18saratogaerr resolution rather
20:40:29Viperfang_yeah, i dont know its res
20:40:50Viperfang_oh, 320x240
20:43:29CIA-14r30136 build result: All green
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21:54:05Roastedhave any of you guys used musicbrainz picard?
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23:21:52ArmyMan007hello... i looked on the wikipedia page, and i still don't understand much about rockbox... can anyone please explain to me the general idea?
23:22:53saratogaArmyMan007: its an operating system for mp3 players, thats pretty much the whole idea
23:22:59z180its a unofficial software for MP3 players
23:23:38ArmyMan007i think it's great.. an open source to an MP3... how far can we go with this?
23:23:41ArmyMan007LD
23:23:41ArmyMan007:D
23:23:46saratogaoh ha thats what the first setence of the wikipedia page says
23:24:15ArmyMan007does it temper with the firmware or just the OS itself?
23:25:00saratogaits a complete OS
23:25:21z180it replaces the firmware thats why it can only run on selected devices
23:25:22saratogaand generally for mp3 players firmware and OS mean the same thing
23:26:28ArmyMan007what if i want to remove it and use the original OS? is there any way or is it permanent?
23:26:28saratogamost devices dual boot
23:26:28saratogacheck the manual for whichever one you have
23:26:28ArmyMan007mine is a sansa clip +
23:26:28ArmyMan007i'll guess i
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23:26:28ArmyMan007i'll guess i'll take a look at the manul...
23:26:35ArmyMan007although no one ever reads the manual! :D
23:26:42n1seven if there is no dual boot rockbox can be uninstalled
23:26:53saratogasince we don't have USB working on the Clip+ yet, you'd be using the OF a lot to transfer files
23:27:14ArmyMan007OF?
23:27:38saratogaoriginal firmware
23:27:50ArmyMan007got it...
23:28:26ArmyMan007basically i can just do a trial and error job with this MP3, it doesn't have much space anyway and it is getting a bit old..
23:28:44ArmyMan007well.. better get working on it! thanks a bunch! l8er! :D
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23:30:00saratogai'm playing with watchi's codeclib now
23:30:21saratogathe test program works nicely, decodes all rockbox formats i've tested, and so far everything works great
23:30:29saratogaeven gapless for mp3s
23:30:46n1svery cool
23:33:27saratogajust getting into the changes, but so far nothing too ugly
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