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#rockbox log for 2011-07-14

00:00:41scorchewtachi: i have received a mail that you have not completed your midterm evaluation - the deadline is coming up soon
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00:15:48Poodlemastah'Ello.
00:20:22PoodlemastahHey guys, do you know if the iPod classic charges while off?
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02:30:26biopytehi, using rockbox how much gain in battery life compared to orig. fw can i expect on a sansa clip +?
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03:56:09JMerrillI have a rather new iPod Nano. How can I know if it is "2nd gen" or newer?
03:56:39mshathlonxpby taking a look at the apple's webpage ;>
03:56:39JMerrillI also did not see any info about whether iPod Nano later than "2nd gen" will ever be supported.
03:57:22mshathlonxphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipod_nano all can be seen here as well
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04:00:36JMerrillApple's web site was not useful to me but I'm sure wikipedia will be ...
04:01:14*mshathlonxp some time ago bought 1G 4GB because of stable rockbox port for it
04:01:20JMerrillUgh. I have at least 5th or 6th gen version ... is there any hpe for rockbox on it?
04:01:31mshathlonxpcome back after several years ;D
04:02:15JMerrillmy wife gave it to me for my birthday ...
04:02:28JMerrilli do not find it useful after having rockbox on a Sansa
04:02:36mshathlonxp:)
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04:03:14JMerrillWhy spend $n00 when you can spend $20?
04:03:38JMerrillthanks for your help; this saved me a lot of time. good night
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04:07:48didILogOutlooks like this web client logs you out when you close. goodnight again
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07:13:31pixelmalooks like some signature spam in the forums again by "Protein_Mink" in the Meizu thread
07:14:51pixelmaand another spam post by skym04
07:22:15JdGordondone
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09:59:52S_a_i_n_tbah!
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10:00:51S_a_i_n_tHow do I add a "Start Database Here:" to RaaA (possibly all targets? Would it be useful elsewhere?)?
10:01:50S_a_i_n_tGoogle Music hides the "Offline Cache" from the system with a (regenerating) .nomedia file...so RaaA can't play my offline cache from the Database.
10:03:09S_a_i_n_tIts kinda similar to the Apple OF with weird obfuscated filenames, but all the metadata is intact. there's no embedded AA unfortunately though.
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10:05:30kugel[Saint]: RaaA doesn't do anything with .nomedia
10:06:36[Saint]Well...for some reason the Db isn't picking up any of the music from my offline cache of Google Music
10:07:06kugeldon't know, but it's not .nomedia
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10:18:37[Saint]bah...no matter what, I can't seem to get the database to pick up the tracks. And there doesn't appear to be anything special about them other then the weird filenames. I can browse to mnt/sdcard/Android/data/com.google.android.music/cache/music
10:19:06[Saint]...is the path too long? Are the fullstops in the folder name messing it up? :-S
10:20:30[Saint]* I can browse to mnt/sdcard/Android/data/com.google.android.music/cache/music and play them all fine with the filebrowser, but the Database just won't find them. Even forcing a full rebuild by deleting all .tcd files.
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11:11:45r1tzhihi, i just rockboxed my sansa ckip+ its cool :D
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15:49:23Taco_PrincessHey, does anyone have advice for getting the application pitch_detector working better? Sansa Clip+ user here and the defaults don't seem very sane. I've gotten it to sort of work now, but it's nowhere near reliable.
15:50:26[Saint]The only advice I would give for getting it to "work better" would be reading the manual.
15:50:37[Saint]It works perfectly fine on my devices.
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15:58:18Taco_Princess[Saint]: the manual for pitch detector is a total of two sentances
15:59:51Taco_Princessmost of the time it won't pick up a note for me, and all the other times, it can't decide on what note is being played. It'll pick one, then a fraction a a second later it will change to another. Also, I tested my mic with the recording app, it seems to work fine. I know my instrument is good.
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16:00:42Taco_Princesshttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch11.html#x14-29100011.4.13
16:02:39[Saint]Well...it works fine on My Fuse(es)...and since the plugin is exactly the same for the devices its capable of runing on, I'm gonna call bad HW.
16:03:05AlexPThat seems a bit extreme
16:03:13[Saint]well...not necessarily "bad"...but rather "not intended for this usage/not up to the task"
16:03:28AlexPI'd call that guessing
16:03:31[Saint]poor mic placement? <other> no idea.
16:03:39Taco_PrincessI think the mic is good
16:03:55Taco_PrincessI recorded myself playing a few times and played it back, just to make sure it was being picked up
16:07:16[Saint]My Fuse(es) are my only mic'ed targets, but pitch detector, my pitch pipe, and my acoustic guitar all seem to be in agreement. I can't think of why it wouldn't work on your device other than some funkyness with the mic.
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16:17:28Taco_Princess[Saint]: I just tested it, the recording sound clear and pitch perfect, also it was done in the same environment as testing the pitch_detector. Pretty sure this is a software problem. Is there any chance that reinstalling rockbox could resolve this?
16:18:14[Saint]Its unlikely that would fix it. It couldn't hurt to try, but its unlikely.
16:19:44Taco_PrincessI've been meaning to install 3.9 anyway. While we're on the topic, how does the current release cycle work?
16:20:49[Saint]every ~3 months, there's a freeze where no new features are added and developers/contributers are encouraged to close out current bugs. after that period (usually two weeks), theres a release.
16:21:38[Saint]if there's a really critical bug in between release periods...there may be a point-release inbetween also.
16:22:57Taco_Princess[Saint]: Thanks
16:26:56[Saint]A release is the standard X.X (ie. 3.9) versioning, a point release is when you'll see an additional digit, such as X.X.x (3.8.1 for example)
16:27:23Taco_PrincessYeah, I'm pretty familiar with software versioning in general
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16:43:51Taco_Princess[Saint]: Is there any chance a contributer to the Sansa code could help me with my problem?
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16:44:49Taco_PrincessI'm at a loss here and have tried pretty much everything I can think of. It doesn't seem my hardware is bad.
16:46:06AlexPTaco_Princess: Just hang around, if anyone who knows sees the question they'll reply
16:46:27Taco_PrincessAlexP: Okay, I guess I'll try that
16:46:35[Saint]Taco_Princess: It's not Sansa specific AFAIK.
16:46:41Taco_Princess[Saint] AlexP: Thanks for trying to help
16:46:52AlexPI didn't do anything :)
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16:59:47Taco_PrincessGermanMushroom: Are you the type of mushroom that would be delcious on pizza?
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17:00:19[Saint]try to keep it on-topic hey Taco_Princess? ;)
17:00:35GermanMushroomi love mushrooms, so sure
17:00:42GermanMushrooma pizza isnt complete without em :P
17:01:37GermanMushroomi am a bit disappointed taco_princess
17:02:04GermanMushroomeverybody knows that burritos are way better than tacos :)
17:02:59[Saint]Guys...this is a Rockbox development channel. Offtopic/social chat like this is more suited (if anywhere) to #rockbox-community
17:03:18[Saint](not being a bully, just sayin' ;))
17:03:21GermanMushroomoh, sorry :(
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17:04:42Taco_PrincessOh sorry
17:04:51Taco_Princess[Saint]: I was in the wrong tab, I thought this was rockbox-community
17:05:17Taco_PrincessI have like 10 tabs open, my mistake
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17:05:50[Saint]No worries. It wasn't a telling off, just a gentle reminder (in case that very thing had happened).
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18:08:45Barracuda72Hi
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18:12:43[Saint]Barracuda72: Hi, there's no need to wait for a response, or to "ask to ask". There are people here, and if you have a question...just ask it, and if someone can help they will.
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18:13:29Barracuda72I am waiting for wodz =)
18:13:41[Saint]He's here.
18:13:56wodz:-)
18:14:11Barracuda72He is here, I see now=)
18:14:20Barracuda72Wo
18:14:59Barracuda72Wodz, I 'm forgot about encryption. All works fine now
18:15:04Barracuda72Thanks
18:15:08wodzBarracuda72: cool
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18:15:36Barracuda72And I've got backlight working
18:15:47Barracuda72By %
18:16:11wodzme too
18:16:23Barracuda72I am using release version, not svn, maybe it's already fixed
18:16:43wodzI am just tweaking the driver
18:16:50wodzwill commit soon
18:17:32wodzBarracuda72: release of what? rk27xx target is not released
18:19:17Barracuda72Release version of Rockbox, 3.9. It contains rk27xx code
18:20:07Barracuda72I can't get svn version now, but will try later
18:20:35wodzthat's the same as svn I guess - I haven't commited for quite some time
18:20:47wodzwhat have you changed in backlight code?
18:23:00wodzBarracuda72:^
18:23:45Barracuda72I changed function _backlight_set_brightness. If level = 0 - disable light. If not - same as in backlight_on, but instead PWMT0_LRC - some calculations, as in fw
18:24:42Barracuda72Sorry, I am from phone =)
18:27:04wodzWhat is your PWMT0_LRC value? I guess you are changing PWMT0_HRC in _backlight_set_brightness()
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18:30:00Barracuda72Yes. I've read from PWMT0_LRC, multiply this value by brightness, then divide by 100 and assign result to PWMT0_HRC
18:30:20Barracuda72All as in original firmware
18:31:20wodzbut what value PWMT0_LRC is set to?
18:32:25wodzHave you changed it?
18:32:46Barracuda72It only set in backlight_init to 2500 and not changed later
18:32:49Barracuda72No
18:33:21wodzok so you are lucky that your backlight driver circuit can cope with 10kHz PWM
18:34:12Barracuda72And what's the problem?
18:34:17wodzmy panel barely can cope with 1kHz wave and ~500Hz is the limit where frequency doesn't influence brightness
18:35:53Barracuda72Hm. Which player do you have? My is Ritmix RF-8800, it's clone of Ramos 970
18:37:31wodzmine is noname clone of Ramos RM970
18:37:46wodzit's rk2705 based
18:37:47Barracuda72=D
18:38:52Barracuda72Not 2706?
18:38:57wodzno
18:39:23Barracuda72We've same players =)
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18:40:01wodzcould be or there might be some subtle differences
18:40:19Barracuda72So, then RF-8900 is rk2706... My mistake
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18:40:59Barracuda72Do you have screen rotated by 180?
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18:41:45Barracuda72Keys must be on right, but they are in left instead
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18:42:39pixelma[Saint]: about your google music problem - you say the files get weird file names, is the extension still correct (mp3 or whatever)?
18:42:53[Saint]pixelma: Yes.
18:43:28[Saint]the filenames aren't even *that* weird. Just 13505.mp3 (for example) but all the metadata is intact.
18:43:28pixelmathere goes my idea then
18:44:17[Saint]I _think_ the problem might lie in either the path being too long, or the "com.android.google.apps.music" dir is freaking the Db out.
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19:00:32wodzshould lcd be readable with MIN_BRIGHTNESS_SETTING?
19:03:03Barracuda72I think, yes
19:04:26scorchewtachi: not sure if you are up yet, but tomorrow is the deadline for midterm evaluations to be done...
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19:04:55Barracuda72But it must be turned off after some period of inactivity
19:06:18Barracuda72Now I am trying to get working some keys - by default only works Power, v&b and escape
19:06:46CIA-14New commit by 03wodz (r30138): rk27xx - fix backlight driver - now one can set brightness
19:07:10wodzhere we go :-)
19:10:15Barracuda72=)
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19:13:04*pamaury wonders if he'll have to go through the s3c2440 sd driver to understand why it doesn't work...:(
19:13:59wodzpamaury: better tell me how to force rk27xx usb core to cooperate with usbstack :-)
19:15:00pamaurywodz: my theory would be to following
19:17:16pamaury- setup a tick task which calls F() at regular interval during enum phase
19:17:16pamaury- each time the irq is fired during the enum phase, call F() prior to anything
19:17:16pamaury- in F(), check if address is !=0 while it was 0 before. If yes, send a fake set_address to the core (that might be optional)
19:17:16DBUGEnqueued KICK pamaury
19:17:16pamaury- in F(), check if bit 7 is set while it was 0 before. If yes, send a fake set_config to the core (I believe this bit is set on set_config)
19:17:31pamaurythe problem is that if you send a fake control packet to the core, it will try to respond :-/
19:18:27wodzmaybe this doesn't harm
19:18:59pamaurythat might mess thing if not done properly
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19:24:49wtachiscorche: I know, it's on my todo list for today
19:25:20wodzpamaury: do I really need to send set_address to the core?
19:25:28pamaurynot really
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19:26:11scorchewtachi: please dont put it off till the last minute - i am giving you reminders for your own benefit ;)
19:27:24wodzpamaury: which place is best to register tick_task for that? usb_drv_init()?
19:28:23pamauryyes
19:29:53wodzehh, real life irq :/
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20:51:35pamauryback to reverse engineering...again...
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21:06:02Barracuda72wodz: Is an ADC working for you?
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21:10:28Barracuda72It seems that ADC_DATA is always 0
21:11:20Barracuda72But I need Adc channel 1 data for keyboard working properly...
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21:28:30Barracuda72I've tried to reset adc each time, but still get the same results
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22:16:33Barracuda72Ok. Good night/day 2 all
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22:42:55wodzpamaury: how to send fake set config packet to the core?
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22:45:59pamaurythe same way to notify a real one
22:47:43wodzso I have to craft fake struct and pass it to the core with usb_core_control_request() ?
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22:50:40wodzor is usb_core_transfer_complete() enough ?
22:50:44wodzpamaury: ^
22:52:05pamauryuse usb_core_control_request
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