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#rockbox log for 2011-07-17

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00:07:54CIA-14New commit by 03bluebrother (r30143): Show drive label in main dialog. ...
00:08:05CIA-14New commit by 03bluebrother (r30144): Add custom delegate for showing the mountpoint combo box entries. ...
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00:28:16soulmanHi, i stumbled here looking for a custom f/w for my Zen V Plus. Is there a RockBox released for the Zen V Plus?
00:28:49Bagdernope
00:28:53RansomTimenope
00:28:56RansomTimedarn..
00:29:08soulman:/
00:29:17soulmanany projects you could point me to at all?
00:29:34RansomTimeSee http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CreativeZenV
00:30:08RansomTimelooks like someone's had a prod at the hardware, but hasn't got much further
00:30:26soulmanthanks
00:30:30soulmani'll look in to it
00:31:06RansomTimeI had a zen V before the screen broke and got my sansa for RB, good luck - the firmware wasn't that good on the Zen V IIRC
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00:32:45soulmanoops
00:33:33soulmanyeah i dont use my vplus much seeing as i use my phone for holding my music on lol
00:33:57bluebrotherlol rofl argl
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00:35:13soulmanbut yeah thanks
00:35:17soulmanthe hardware is interesting
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00:36:03RansomTimeIt's a little geeky fun if nothing else, I don't think there is anything for the Zen, but the Sansa's well worth the purchace if you're looking for something fairly cheep and rockboxable
00:37:58soulmani probably have some spare hardware lying around thats rockboxable, maybe a spare sansa :) but heh i was just looking to see if there was anything i could do with the zen at all
00:38:19soulmani find custom roms and such fun :)
00:38:35soulmananyway thanks for the help anyways
00:48:45pamauryI'm really puzzled; this mio c510 has:
00:48:45pamaury- a WM8976: stereo codec with speaker driver
00:48:45pamaury- a W68136: a voice band codec (ADC,ACD)
00:48:45DBUGEnqueued KICK pamaury
00:48:45pamaury- a VP1020: a voice processor record & playback
00:49:16bluebrotherhmm. This delegate thing shows the wrong selector color on OS X. It seems to be right on Windows and Linux.
00:49:25bluebrothermaybe it's an OS X limitation ...
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02:24:00z180do you need testers for rb utility on PPC?
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03:22:06JdGordonbluebrother/rockbox/rbutil-mountpoint-del">http://tinyurl.com/bluebrother/rockbox/rbutil-mountpoint-del
03:23:58JdGordonoops
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04:34:04[Saint]Hmmm...check out the logo on this product.
04:34:05[Saint]https://market.android.com/details?id=ru.exaybachay.pear&feature=featured-apps
04:34:31[Saint]If RaaA ever hits the Market, the logo might need a re-think.
04:34:57[Saint](hardly identical, but very similar.)
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06:31:25clmoeRuntime: 63h
06:31:29clmoeBattery: 3.83v
06:34:59krazykit[Saint], using the treble clef is hardly uncommon
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08:17:32the_kyleI'm getting a "no such file or directory" error for lang.h. Problem is I started over with an empty build directory and still get the error. I'm trying to build r30144 on Linux 2.6.39.
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08:21:33the_kyleThe last revision I built was 29946 on 2 June, and I didn't get this error. Is there a new dependency that I don't have?
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08:47:06JdGordonthe_kyle: make clean
08:47:58the_kyleJdGordon: Tried that. Even deleted the entire directory and tried again. No luck.
08:51:03JdGordonmake veryclean?
08:51:08JdGordonthat usually gets it
08:51:25the_kyleJdGordon: Did that too.
08:56:12the_kyleJdGordon: Even tried building into an empty directory and still got the same error.
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09:00:36JdGordondunno
09:00:39JdGordonsomething is wierd
09:06:26JdGordonworks fine for em
09:06:27JdGordonme
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09:45:03[Saint]the_kyle: JSYK...works fine here too.
09:45:29[Saint]try doing an "svn stat" to see what you've changed in your checkout.
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10:08:53CIA-14New commit by 03bluebrother (r30145): The mountpoint is stored with normalized separators. ...
10:08:59CIA-14New commit by 03bluebrother (r30146): Move some helper functions out of Autodetection. ...
10:11:44CIA-14r30145 build result: All green
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10:37:52*bertrik is getting an ipod nano 1g and will soon be able to work on improved ipod accessory support
10:38:11Barracuda72Hi to all
10:42:02bertriksome ipod accessories use large packets to send data (e.g. containing a logo to display on the ipod) and we don't support that at all yet
10:43:42bertrikit could be nice to create an accessory simulator that sends/receives serial data to/from the ipod, so accessory support can be tested more thoroughly
10:58:57CIA-14New commit by 03bluebrother (r30147): OS X: remove translation for menu entries handled separately. ...
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11:54:00AlexPthe_kyle: What version of perl?
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12:28:39pamaury_bertrik: go ahead and create ipod accessory emulator ! :)
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13:04:08kenguestlo folks. anyone know what format the .talk files are in? I thought they were in speex format but speexdec doesn't recognise them :(
13:04:38gevaertsThey're in raw speex, i.e. without the usual header
13:04:55gevaertsWell, assuming you're talking about talk files for swcodec
13:05:08kenguestoh bbiab
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13:16:10pamaurykugel: ping
13:16:13JdGordonis there any real reason the database doesnt index m3u files?
13:16:21kugelpamaury: pong
13:16:35pamauryyou wrote the mini2440 port ?
13:17:14kugelno
13:17:56pamauryarf, I'm trying to understand where i2c_init() is called (if it is !)
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13:21:27pamauryah, it's called in apps/main.c
13:28:21JdGordondoes it make sense to anyone that the playlist catalog "add to new playlist" dialog doesnt prefill the filename with .m3u8 if it uses the firectory name?
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13:34:08[Saint]JdGordon: Various things about the playlists make little sense to me. Especially dropping them in the root dir by default on creation, as opposed to /.rockbox/Playlists
13:34:55JdGordonI've got a long standing patch to entirely redo playlist handling so it makes sense which im working on getting ready for commit
13:35:01pamauryJdGordon: indeed, appending the m3u8 suffix would be sensible
13:35:02JdGordoni just found that wierdness....
13:35:17[Saint]Its amusing, as one would expect that a newly created playlist would be present in the playlist catalogue...but, that's not the case.
13:35:33JdGordon[Saint]: IIUC only dynamic.m3u8 and all.m3u8 end up in / instead of /Playlists
13:35:42[Saint]It takes either significant work on the player moving stuff around, or a custom config entry to make that happen "automagically"
13:36:01*JdGordon will do a call for testers soon (hopefully)
13:36:10[Saint]JdGordon: AFAIk, all playlists end up in /
13:36:15JdGordonI've been out of this patch so long i dont remember what needs work and what doesnt :p
13:36:34JdGordonnot if they are added to the catalog
13:37:25JdGordonwhich I tihnk all playlists are created through in my patch
13:37:34[Saint]*great!*
13:37:45[Saint]Commit it, NOW! :D
13:38:15JdGordonhow bout no!
13:38:34[Saint]you missed a "w" ;)
13:39:24[Saint]What patch *is* this, out of interest? It doesn't spring to mind immediately.
13:40:18JdGordonfs#11808
13:40:20fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11808 3playlist handling changes (patches, new)
13:51:00CIA-14New commit by 03jdgordon (r30148): Prefill the playlist filename with .m3u8 when creating a new playlist in the catalog
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13:51:36JdGordon1 less stupid thing in the playlist handling code :p
13:52:06JdGordonthat could give you /Playlists/.m3u8 though but meh, tying those extra 5 chars in the keyboard sucks so big deal
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14:03:42pamaurywtf, I don't know who wrote the i2c s3c2440 but he must have been drunk
14:04:12kugelb0h00n did most of the work
14:04:18kugel(i think that was his nick)
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14:06:24pamaurygit bkale says markun and jethead71
14:06:26pamaury*blame
14:07:32kenguestok. the reason why I was asking about the format of the .talk files is I'd like to generate those files for upper level directories without having to use the roxbox utility
14:08:25gevaertskenguest: have a look at tools/rbspeex in the source
14:08:26kenguestany clues how I might do this on linux?
14:08:34kenguestgevaerts: thanks
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14:08:46bluebroth3rwrite a small command line application around the relevant Rockbox Utility parts ;-)
14:09:13kenguestbluebroth3r: that would involve something resembling work :p
14:09:14kenguest:D
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14:10:02bluebroth3rkenguest: of course. We need someone to do the actual work ;-)
14:10:43bluebroth3rbut it should be fairly easy −− the TTS system should be abstracted enough from the GUI
14:11:22gevaertsSeriously though, if all you need is file and directory clips, using rbspeex directly should work well
14:15:22bertrikpamaury, the s3c2440 i2c driver doesn't look *that* bad at first sight
14:15:47pamauryexcept that
14:16:05pamaurythe i2c_write definition doesn't match the declaration (it should return a value)
14:16:26pamauryit has an infinite loop in the irq but which ends with a break so it's not a loop (!!)
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14:19:11bertrikok, that's a little weird, and I'm surprised the declaration doesn't match the definition, I think the source file should include the header file to make this kind of error obvious during compilation
14:19:47bertrikalso a little odd that the interrupt takes care of sending the i2c stop
14:21:23kenguestok. that works.
14:21:27kenguestthanks guys
14:22:54bertrikpamaury, it seems the definition *is* consistent with the declaration, it's just using a different convention (no return value) from all other i2c drivers
14:25:40pamaurywhich is extremely weird, since if by chance something uses a driver which includes i2c.h, you've got a silent mismatch
14:25:42kugelpamaury: I meant the mini2440 work. the mini2440 port re-used lots of the gigabeat f/x code which existed long before
14:27:35pamaurydon't worry, I don't blame you :)
14:30:52JdGordoncan someone with svn try viewing a .m3u[8] *without* music playing and tell me if it opens?
14:32:39JdGordonalso, does r4276 sound like it is still suppposed to work?
14:32:47JdGordon" Modified playlist handling to allow for multiple playlists to be edited at the same time. Added support in playlist viewer for viewing/editing playlists on disk (
14:32:50JdGordon"
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14:38:25JdGordondoes anyone remember the links to the static analyses from a while ago?
14:38:42JdGordonI dont understand how this code actually works in svn and i have a feeling it is actually broken
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14:39:29JdGordonplaylist_viewer.c line 337, index_buffer is NULL if nothing is playing
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15:00:20JdGordoncan someone please verify im not insane and that *viewing* m3u's when audio is *not playing* is broken in svn?
15:00:54CIA-14New commit by 03learman (r30149): AAC: Another gapless fix, this one for the end of the file. The real size of the last frame was lost in r29727, as indicated by Yusaku Inui in ...
15:01:16LearJdGordon: What steps to reproduce?
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15:02:35JdGordoncontext menu on a .m3u, playlist, view
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15:03:18JdGordonthats what I was err... hoping for
15:03:41CIA-14r30149 build result: 0 errors, 1 warnings (learman committed)
15:04:16JdGordongit blame says kugel
15:04:39JdGordonr30030
15:05:21JdGordonkugel: ping
15:07:08JdGordonwhat revision was 3.9 forked from?
15:07:34gbl08maJdGordon: I too can confirm playlist vieweing is broken in the last SVN. I don't know about older revisions though, as I didn't even know we could see playlists without playing them...
15:09:22JdGordongbl08ma: I'm working on making playlist handling better
15:09:40JdGordonAlexP: 3.9 has broken playlist handling... shall i revert that commit in the release branch?
15:09:41gbl08manice :)
15:09:52AlexPhah, fun
15:10:07AlexPJdGordon: Whatever fix you think is best
15:10:13JdGordonits obviously not something many people use apparently
15:10:31AlexPbe that revert a previous commit, or another fix
15:10:39JdGordonI'd really like kugel to pong so we can talk about the correct fix..
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15:12:53pamauryJdGordon: he is afraid :D
15:13:23JdGordonAlexP: ah irc logs suggest that commit didnt get into the release.. never mind :)
15:13:37AlexPoh, cool
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15:14:43gbl08maAnyways, we can pick 3.9 and install on a player to see if the issue exists in 3.9, right? Just to make sure :)
15:15:36JdGordongrr... it was commited as part of a 7 patch mass commit from git... no discussion
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15:16:32[Saint]7 independent commtis, or a big fat 7-in-1?
15:16:42[Saint]*commits too
15:16:43gbl08maJust a quick question, git acts as kind of playground for new code before being merged into svn, right?
15:17:04[Saint]gbl08ma: Nope.
15:17:17JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20110620#21:32:44
15:17:35[Saint]git is just another versioning system...one we'll (soon) be transitioning to.
15:18:09gbl08maso git is currently a mirror of svn?
15:18:31gbl08ma(I know what git, the versioning system, is)
15:18:39[Saint]the git mirror of the svn repo is, yes.
15:19:18JdGordonkugel: can you explain r30030? it breaks playlist handling and i see no discussion of the change
15:19:36[Saint]"git is a mirror of svn" fails on a few levels, but I knew what you meant. (I hope)
15:19:55gbl08maok, thanks. that's what I meant. it seems I'll have to learn to use git before Rockbox starts to useit as the official versioning system for the project.
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15:21:07kugelJdGordon: how does it break stuff?
15:21:17[Saint]its not *too* different. But if you haven't gotten used to svn yet, git will be a little bit daunting.
15:21:26[Saint]gbl08ma: ^
15:21:45JdGordonkugel: index_buffer == NULL when no audio is playing and you try to view a .m3u
15:22:06kugeloh really? I thought I looked that nothing calls it with NULL
15:22:20gbl08ma[Saint]: I'm used to SVN already, I heard GIT is faster and as in the Rockbox project I only do "svn update" and "svn revert", there's not much to learn...
15:22:30JdGordonkugel: playlisyt_viewer.c line 329
15:23:13[Saint]gbl08ma: If you never intend to push any of your local changes, then no, very little to learn.
15:23:36[Saint]iirc we already have a wiki page on git version control.
15:23:45kugeloops
15:23:50Tornewe do, but it doesn't really contain the right things
15:23:55[Saint]you may as well start using the git svn mirror to get used to it now.
15:23:56Tornesomeone needs to write real docs
15:24:26TorneNow is the worst time to start using the git svn mirror if you are actually planning to contribute anything, but it doesn't matter as much if you just update :)
15:24:33JdGordon[Saint]: bad suggestion, the wrk flow is very different to what it will be
15:24:35TorneWe need to get the gerrit instance moved onto git.rockbox.org instead
15:24:43TorneJdGordon: For just getting the code and updating it'll be identical
15:25:03[Saint]JdGordon: I don't think it makes much (any?) difference if you're not planning to commit anything...does it?
15:25:07Tornethe only downside is that when we switch you will have to blow your clone away and start again
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15:25:20Tornebut cloning the repo is crazy efficient compared to svn
15:25:25Torne(downloads ~130MB)
15:25:55Tornethe gerrit instance is still going to be a mirror for a while, also, since we need to move the build server and stuff over to using git first
15:26:40Tornetalkig of which i should update it :)
15:26:45kugelJdGordon: right, I didn't see that. so it's broken now
15:27:13JdGordonyes... and that change doesnt clean revert
15:27:42JdGordonthat code block about is_playing is a bit odd
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15:31:30JdGordongreat, thanks
15:33:25CIA-14r30150 build result: 0 errors, 1 warnings (kugel committed)
15:33:55kugelTorne: can we wait until gsoc ends with the transition? I'm not keen on losing my work due to this
15:34:11Tornetaht shouldn't be a problem
15:34:44Tornewe are doing it quite slowly :)
15:34:54Torneanyway, you can just add both remotes and then rebase
15:35:09TorneWell, i say that
15:35:14TorneIt'll be nontrivial if you have merges
15:35:24Torne(still technically possible)
15:35:45Tornegiven that when you actually submit your changes it'll get flattened anyway, i'm not sure there's an issue
15:35:55JdGordonOK, anyone interested in helping fix rockbox's sucky playlist handling... PLEASE test fs#11808 so i know what is broken and what else needs work
15:35:56fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11808 3playlist handling changes (patches, new)
15:36:08JdGordonI'd really like to get this finished soon while i have free time to code
15:36:10kugelTorne: are you sure rebasing works?
15:36:31kugelas the history is different, I'd expect rebase to apply the entire history ontop of the other
15:36:56gbl08maI would help testing fs#11808 if I weren't away from my development computer right now, so I can't patch the source code and compile.
15:36:57fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11808 3playlist handling changes (patches, new)
15:37:01Torneyou expect wrong :)
15:37:15Tornerebase supports more or less arbitrarily complicated operations
15:37:51Tornealso you can cheat and graft history
15:37:53gbl08maJdGordon: but tomorrow or later, I'll see if I don't forget to test that patch
15:37:57Torneit depends what your branch look slike
15:39:17JdGordongbl08ma: thanks
15:39:24JdGordonhopefully I also dont forget :)
15:40:11Tornekugel: the normal magic there is git rebase −−onto newmaster oldmaster mybranch
15:40:19Tornekugel: it won't work super well if you have merges, though :)
15:40:33kugelI do :)
15:41:16Tornethe easiest way is just to extract a patch and apply
15:41:23Tornesince you're going to flatten anyway ifyou commit to svn
15:41:43JdGordonTorne: see the irc link i pasted a few min ago
15:42:08Tornehuh?
15:42:23[Saint]JdGordon: I'll apply that patch locally when my build script is finished, then crank out some new builds. I may well be asleep by the time it finishes (going to bed really soon) but I'll at least have *some* input tomorrow arvo or somesuch.
15:42:32JdGordonin reply to assuming people flatten before commiting
15:42:43JdGordon[Saint]: awesome
15:42:54JdGordonI know some stuff is broken but a updated list would mean quick fixes
15:42:57TorneJdGordon: i don't see any link
15:43:08JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20110620#21:32:44
15:43:46Torneoh. so?
15:43:55TorneThat still starts with a rebase
15:44:04TorneIt doesn't matter if you end up with multiple commits or not
15:44:07Torneit's still a ff
15:44:23Torneyou can't trivially do that for a branch with merge commits (though you can non-trivially do it)
15:44:27JdGordonnever mind
15:45:13Tornehe *can't* preserve all the commits on his branch and commit to svn if he's merged, because the older commits will not apply to HEAD
15:45:34Torneso already the only choices is rebase the whole thing (including fixing old commits to apply to HEAD) or just pull a ptach out and apply it
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15:49:54gbl08maI used FS #10763 on my custom build for a long time, it looked quite stable with the only problems being related to the fact that certain key names change, leading to incompatibilities with a specific lua script...
15:49:55fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10763 3This patch speeds the keyboard input for scroll wheel devices (patches, unconfirmed)
15:50:36gbl08mawhat exactly is missing there for the patch to be aceptible for inclusion? or the developers aren't really interested in it?
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15:51:13gbl08mabecause currently inserting text in Rockbox is a PITA with the current (official SVN) virtual keyboard.
15:53:08JdGordonthere could be any number or reaons, not having an interested commiter is usually at the top of the list
15:53:27gbl08maperhaps if the dictionary thing was broken into another patch, since the dictionary allocates some memory for it at startup...
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15:54:44JdGordonremoving morse code is going to be a blocker
15:56:18gbl08maif I recall correctly, that patch keeps morse code, it's just moved into another keyboard mode.
15:57:23gbl08maSettings menu option for keyboard mode: Standard, Sideways, Keep Rollin, Scroll 1D, Row-Column, and Morse
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15:57:23gbl08maSettings menu option for keyboard mode: Standard, Sideways, Keep Rollin, Scroll 1D, Row-Column, and Morse
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15:57:23gbl08maSettings menu option for keyboard mode: Standard, Sideways, Keep Rollin, Scroll 1D, Row-Column, and Morse
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15:57:24gbl08maSettings menu option for keyboard mode: Standard, Sideways, Keep Rollin, Scroll 1D, Row-Column, and Morse
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15:57:25gbl08maSettings menu option for keyboard mode: Standard, Sideways, Keep Rollin, Scroll 1D, Row-Column, and Morse
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15:57:30gbl08magod!
15:57:37JdGordonjust call me jonathan
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15:58:09gbl08maI'm not used to the web client, that automatically enters when you paste...
15:58:46gbl08maanyways, I guess it lets you have an idea: it includes morse :)
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15:59:39gbl08maby the way, I can't do capital letters with morse code on my nano 2g.
15:59:40[Saint]its a preferential thing...iirc, most people found that patch awful.
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15:59:55[Saint]I don't really like the v-keyboard. but that patch is *awful*
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16:01:37gbl08maI agree the code could be better and better organized. but in runtime, at least for the scroll1D mode, it works well
16:01:58gbl08maperhaps it's just a matter of rewriting code while keeping the design idea?
16:02:30[Saint]I argued that scrolling through a list of ~100 chars to find a single char didn't actually speed anything up at all.
16:02:43JdGordonthe kveyboard just sucks anyway
16:03:06JdGordonyay for not using it on android :)
16:03:10[Saint]I also think that this patch fucks up custom keyboards .kbd files.
16:03:13[Saint]another blocker.
16:03:48[Saint]I pretty much don't see it getting into svn...without a HUGE makeover that no one seems prepared to do.
16:03:59gbl08maWell, I used the 1D-scroll along with a custom keymap. a .kbd file that loaded perfectly.
16:03:59[Saint](even the author gave up on it iirc)
16:04:34gbl08mawell I think the author just synced the patch today. and I wasn't saying it is ready for getting into svn.
16:04:47gbl08matoday... one year ago :)
16:05:42gbl08mawrong again, the author last touched the patch on 15th July 2010. and that patch stopped working recently, something that made me revert my svn checkout to the default,loosing all patches.
16:06:25JdGordongbl08ma: if you want it commited you need to find someone to fix the issues... that probably means learning c and doing the gruntwork yourself :)
16:06:26[Saint]dammit...I was pretty sure I had the "I tried it, and timed it, and it didn't actually speed anything up" discussion on the tracker.
16:06:29gbl08maso... I lost the piezo click, plus the scroll 1d keyboard. I hope I can live without my custom build for a certain time...
16:06:37[Saint]but it must have been on IRC, dammit!
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16:06:48*JdGordon is pissed piezo isnt in svn yet :p
16:07:17[Saint]gbl08ma: piezo keyclick should still apply.
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16:07:28[Saint]if not, it'll only be a few lines off here & there.
16:07:29*gbl08ma is pissed that piezo doesn't work on all iPods yet either. and yes it applies.
16:07:48[Saint]gbl08ma: what ipods does it not work on?
16:08:05gbl08maI heard some time ago it only worked for nano2g (which is what I have). perhaps it's been fixed.
16:08:23[Saint]thats long since been fixed.
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16:08:29[Saint]keep up with the tracker ;)
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16:08:42gbl08maI don't look into that patch since a long time.
16:08:58[Saint]so...kinda silly to say it doesn't work on <foo> then, huh? ;)
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16:10:02gbl08maone thing that annoyed me when i applied the patch was that the beep was too high (in terms of treble). and I thought nobody was working on that patch, so I assumed it kept non-working for PP iPods.
16:10:35[Saint]the keyclick frequency is pretty clearly commented in the patch.
16:10:41[Saint]change it, if its to high.
16:10:44gbl08mabecause some months ago when I found that patch, it was kind of abandoned with the piezo on PP iPods not working. but it seems work on it has picked up again.
16:11:12[Saint]I think <some months ago> might be a fair bit longer than you think it is...
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16:12:41[Saint]it's been working since ~10-10 iirc (a guess, but a fair-ish one)
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16:12:57gbl08manow that I think on it... I have been using Rockbox for more than a year (somewhere in May is the birthday of my bootloader install), and compiling Rockbox for almost an year...
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16:13:34gbl08mait would be good if there was a setting for changing the frequency, but I guess "there're too many settings already" :)
16:14:23[Saint]the blocker for that patch is actually "there isn't enough settings"
16:14:46[Saint]but a frequency changer would be overkill, yes.
16:16:00gbl08malook, there's a gap of lack of development in that FS #5111 between 10th November 2010 and 12th July 2011.
16:16:03fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5111 3Ipod piezo driver (patches, unconfirmed)
16:16:35gbl08maand there's a lack of discussion on that patch between January and July this year (January was when Saint and I talked about it)
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16:17:12[Saint]And this is important because...? there's a heap of bitrotted patches on the tracker.
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16:17:31[Saint]Just because you or I like it or see it as an important feature, doesn't mean others do ;)
16:17:45gbl08manow that I have a clean svn trunk on my development, I guess I can apply that patch and try to improve it by adding that frequency setting.
16:18:14[Saint]I was going to look into syncing it, but I'll add it to the todo instad. As I'm tired. and from what I know of the code the recent audi-mixer commits will break it and give me all sorts of fun.
16:18:32gbl08maI know many people who find the OF piezo click annoying, not to talk about Rockbox one, which has a higher frequency...
16:19:36[Saint]The real blocker is that it is implemented independently of the software keyclick, and it really, really should be implemented alongside it.
16:19:41gbl08maafaik the only problem with audio mixer is that its code moved certain parts down (or up) in the file, and the diff needed to be resynced in order for it to apply.
16:19:57[Saint]As it stands now, HW/SW keyclick are out-of-sync, and its annoying.
16:20:22[Saint]Also, the settings menu needs re-doing.
16:20:54[Saint]I mean, it *works*...but its a fair ways away from being committed.
16:21:12gbl08maabout the lack of sync, isn't it as simple as moving the instruction for the HW to the same void as the one who calls the SW click?
16:21:15[Saint]certainly a lot more than just syncing it with current code.
16:22:00gbl08ma(with some conditionals to check if HW or SW keyclicks are enabled)
16:22:23[Saint]without looking at the code, I can't say. I don't _think_ that would work, though. As both need to be able to work if one or the other is currently turned on, or not.
16:22:45gbl08maI can't check right now as I'm away from the code... another thing to do "tomorrow or later", along with JdGordon's patch.
16:23:33gbl08maI'm now in summer vacations so I could take some time to improve my farily small knowledge of C and do something for the Rockbox project...
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16:25:24[Saint]Sweet, I'll pin it to your ToDO instead of mine then ;)
16:25:57gbl08mano, pin it to both toDo lists :)
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16:27:38gbl08maby the way and again, is anybody able to write capital letters while using morse code input mode? I'm using an nano2g and I can't, since ever I started using RB.
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16:32:22gbl08maI got to go, see you and happy Rockbox development :)
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18:54:05pamauryI never add a loop at the windows wav device infrastructure before but I can now tell it's horrible...
18:54:10pamaury*s/loop/look
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20:06:27biopytehi, how much gain in battery life can i expect from rockbox on a clip+, compared to the native firmware?
20:06:49biopytemostly playing flacs and listenig to radio
20:09:33bertrikI don't know but you can check out some typical runtimes on our wiki, I think it's called SansaRuntime
20:10:27bertriktypically > 16h on rockbox, when playing compressed audio
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20:10:42bertrikflac will be a bit lighter on the battery I think
20:11:09bertrikand radio a bit heavier I guess
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20:20:49biopytethanks, according to sandisk, the expected batt. life is 15 hours, but that depends a lot on the settings, of course.
20:21:59biopytethere are games and stuff ... but i have a suggestion for cool and very useful application.
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20:22:56bertrikbiopyte, you can write your own apps if you want
20:24:43biopytei dont have time, i have to work ... ;-) ... anyway, i can program in Python, does that help ... what programming environment is used for rockbox apps?
20:25:59AlexPC
20:26:20gevaertsYou can write plugins in lua too
20:26:22biopyteC? ... not me.
20:26:25AlexPOr I think lua these days
20:26:29AlexPfor plugins
20:26:35gevaertsWhat sort of idea did you have?
20:28:20biopyteEartraining ... that would be extremely helpful for musicians ... kids, youngsters, adults ... everybody who learns music would appreciate a lot ..
20:29:22biopytescales, chords, .... take a look at GNU Solfege. Wrap that as a rockbox app ... perfect!
20:29:23RansomTimeEartraining?
20:29:37*RansomTime goes to have a look at GNU Solfege
20:30:05biopyteYes, eartraining, sounds weired, but is very important in a musicians education.
20:30:42biopytewould be a perfect app running on the cell or the mp3 player ...
20:32:30biopytea valuable educational app, not just a gimmick
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20:33:53*gevaerts nods
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20:37:55biopyteGNU Solfege homepage is made very bad ... doesnt give a good impression.
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20:38:40gevaertsI think I get the idea. You basically play sounds and expect an answer?
20:38:41RansomTimeI donít see much wrong with it, tbh
20:39:03biopyteyes, its a training software ...
20:40:06biopyteif you are not a musician, it will not impress you a lot
20:40:39gevaertsI'm not too familiar with the plugin API, but I think you can play samples from RAM or use a beep function that allows you to set frequency and duration. I imagine that that's *just* not enough for a trivial implementation some of the functionality you need (chords?)
20:40:57gevaertsOf course you can pre-record everything, but that's not very flexible
20:41:09pamauryI have a challenge for our best rockbox part finders: I have a part labelled 68TI, AIH; It's a 10 pin DFN package
20:41:38biopytegaverts, i guess solfege generates sound via MIDI, that might be a problem.
20:41:53biopytebut still you can do it with sound samples ...
20:42:29gevaertsbiopyte: actually... we do have a MIDI player plugin, so you could use that as a base
20:42:42biopytegenerating the sound samples could be automatized easily
20:43:13gevaertsRip out the midi file loading and replace it with your exercise generator, and add a question UI
20:44:12biopytethats right ... an experienced programmer could get it done fast ... almost trivial
20:44:50gevaertsWell, I don't know how complex the midi player code is :)
20:44:51biopytebut not me ... i can do only a little python and besides i dont have the time ...
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20:45:29biopyteMIDI ist trivial ...
20:45:51biopyteevery not has two parameters: pitch and duration
20:46:00biopytethats all you have to know
20:46:01gevaertsWell yes, but that's not what I mean
20:46:18biopytebesides, everything can be stolen form the solfege project
20:46:44RansomTimenot necessarily
20:46:45gevaertsRockbox doesn't have a MIDI API. It just has a plugin that plays MIDI which you'd have to modify
20:46:50biopyteevery note ...
20:47:09biopytei see ...
20:47:39gevaertsThat might or might not be easy, depending on that code
20:47:50biopytewhy not contacting the solfege guys and check it out ...?
20:48:02biopyteif its too difficult, leave it ...
20:48:02gevaertsI mean the midi plugin code
20:48:21biopyteotherwise, it could be a quick and nice project
20:48:23Tornebiopyte: because we don't write things unless we are interested
20:48:31Tornethe expectation is that the person that wants the feature will write it
20:48:37biopyteTorne, of course not
20:49:10biopytei just made a suggestion ... i'm expecting nothing
20:50:21biopytethat project would make much more sense than making gimmicks ....
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20:50:43biopyteevery music student will load it on his player ...
20:50:48biopyteguarenteed
20:50:54biopytetake it or leave it
20:51:09gevaertsWell, how *useful* something is doesn't necessarily match how interesting it is for someone to work on ;)
20:51:17biopyteit's my idea .... you can have it
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20:53:41saratogai think the sandisk firmware gets like 6-7 hours with flac, we get about 16-17 hours
20:54:07biopyte cool
20:54:15biopytehuge difference
20:55:46RansomTimebiggest advantage of RB on the sandisk is that it doesnít rebuild the database on boot
20:56:25RansomTimewhich means I can add music onto the card, and then boot RB up in a few seconds, instead of a few mins on the OF
20:56:40biopytei see ...
20:58:00biopytei like the clip+ a lot, perfect little box, now even better with RB ... i installed two hours ago for the first time
20:58:06CIA-14New commit by 03bluebrother (r30151): Implement reading the volume label on OS X.
20:58:15CIA-14New commit by 03bluebrother (r30152): Change System Info filesystem details to table.
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21:04:50bluebroth3ranother false positive :(
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21:21:13biopytethanks, everybody ... good night.
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21:27:01bluebroth3rif I change checklog.pl and commit it will the buildserver automatically use it? Or does someone need to perform some operation on the server first?
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21:36:09gevaertsIt needs to be manually updated
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21:48:32SerpherI heard you this channel could help me with my problem. I have a speech impediment and the iPhone has an app that delays what you're saying into a microphone by around 60ms by deafult but there's a slider, and the frequency is altered with a slider as well. I'm looking for an app like this on my Android.
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21:52:32AlexPSerpher: I'm afraid not - Rockbox is a firmware for daps and a music player for android
21:52:37bluebroth3rfs-bluebot: .explain rockbox
21:52:37fs-bluebot3rockbox: Rockbox is an open source firmware for mp3 players, written from scratch. Rockbox is not Linux.
21:53:08bluebroth3rRockbox does run on Android, but it does not what you're after.
21:53:43SerpherThanks
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21:54:44tmztdoes rockbox on android have voice recorder?
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21:54:55AlexPno recording on android
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22:04:19hunternet93How do I force USB Serial to be enabled at rockbox startup?
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22:19:18pamauryhunternet93: that doesn't really make sense, each driver has to be enable on each connection. If you want to change this behaviour, you need to modify usb.c. Have a look at usb_slave_mode() or whatever the function is called
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22:51:39bluebroth3rI'm getting "skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/arm-elf-eabi/4.4.4/arm7tdmi/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc" with the gcc I installed into /usr. Any idea why this is happening?
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23:01:16bertrikbah, our IAP code could do with a little more comment
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23:50:48bertrikAm I correct that rockbox on ipod nano 1g does not implement hardware key clicks?
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23:54:08LambdaCalculus37bertrik: IIRC that's correct. In fact, I don't think any of the iPods use the piezoelectric speaker in Rockbox.
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23:58:08bertrikit surprises me a bit, this being already such an mature target

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