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#rockbox log for 2011-07-21

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00:05:17CIA-14New commit by 03bertrik (r30182): ipod nano 1g: enable LCD invert
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08:40:03CIA-14New commit by 03jdgordon (r30183): Pull yesno_pop out of the radio code as it is a nice simple resuasble yesno api worth reusing
08:40:27CIA-14New commit by 03jdgordon (r30184): Fix FS #8656 - Error saving non-current playlist file ...
08:41:58JdGordonAlexP: hint with the manual, exiting/backing out of the playlist viewer when you have modified it will ask if you want to save the changes and give you the keyboard to change the filename if you want
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08:51:56CIA-14New commit by 03jdgordon (r30185): Copy yesno_pop to hosted/yesno,c which is mildly annoying, maybe do a better fix later
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08:58:23[Saint]bertrik: Congrats on the Nano1G commits.
08:59:08[Saint]iiuc, there is a few different types of LCD for the NAno1G, but I think the command sets are all basically the same so they can effectively be treated as one.
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09:00:57[Saint]bertrik: One thing I would find *really* useful for the Nano1G is LCD sleep...if you can figure that out I'd even consider offering a bounty ;)
09:01:17[Saint](perhaps an extended capacity battery for a Nano1G?)
09:01:42AlexPbug2000: You would need to edit the logic in the bootloader code, compile it then install it
09:01:49bertrik[Saint], I thought about that, but the nice thing about the nano 1g is that the LCD is still visible with the backlight off, so perhaps we shouldn't put it to sleep at all
09:02:22[Saint]There's a few devices where the LCD is still visable whilst off, but sleep is still offered. The Video is one iiuc.
09:02:41[Saint]I like the LCD to sleep (if possible) from a power saving POV
09:03:35[Saint]I would also like very much for the LCD to be able to sleep on the Color
09:03:53bertrikThe trouble with the nano 1g LCD is that we rely completely on the apple bootloader (as far as I understand) to initialise the LCD + controller
09:04:20[Saint]We do?
09:04:29[Saint]The Apple FW can be removed completely.
09:04:31bertrikTo modify 1 specific bit in an LCD register, I need to know the value of the other bits (but I don't)
09:05:33[Saint]I currently have only Rockbox on my Nano1Gs and no OF...perhaps I'm missunderstanding, or the bootloader is located outside the OSOS?
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09:19:18bug2000AlexP, What line do I use to grab it? [linux]
09:19:41AlexPThe source?
09:20:41AlexP"svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox"
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12:29:18gomsemari1rockbox on android causes Force Close during startup since r30180 or before...r30167 doesn't have such problem
12:30:49kugelpgomsemari1: it does on 1.6 or earlier
12:31:41gomsemari1no, I'm on 2.3
12:32:13gomsemari1I can confirm emulator works from r30173, but target doesn't.
12:32:17kugelpit doesn't on my 2.3
12:32:51kugelpplease post the logcat output somewhere
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13:10:12gomsemari1Hope this is a sufficient information. Running on Samsung Galaxy Tab.
13:10:21gomsemari1http://obscure.tistory.com/attachment/cfile24.uf@145E81354E28071135E891.txt
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13:22:58gbl08maHello everyone... I saw bertrik's commits regarding nano 1G LCD...
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13:24:37GermanMushroomis it possible to scan the fm radio in smaller steps than 0.1?
13:25:04gbl08maObvious now I'm jealousy and want to invert my nano 2g LCD too, even if I never needed to do so before :)
13:25:54GermanMushroomi have a sandisk sansaclip + (2gB version)
13:26:17gbl08maisn't the nano 2g display just about the same as the 1g one? I think I read that somewhere in the wiki.
13:29:26gevaertsGermanMushroom: look for the FM Region setting
13:29:54gevaertsTuner steps are region dependent
13:30:24gevaertsYou can go down to 50kHz by setting that to "other"
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13:43:34drezonOn rockbox for android I don't get any audio output on 2.3.3 on a Samsung Galaxy S. It works on 2.2 on a Moto Milestone. Any ideas on how to debug this?
13:45:08Tornelook for errors in logcat
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13:51:54drezonTorne: already did so. didn't see any
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13:57:53evilnickdrezon: Which build are you using?
13:59:03drezoncurrent svn (build myself). r30180
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14:00:27GermanMushroomdoesnt the fm region only let you sellect wich region you live in, eg: europe, america?
14:00:38GermanMushroomor am i confusing it with something else?
14:01:00*evilnick had trouble with rasher's builds so used http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,27394.msg182997.html#msg182997 (NOTE not the latest one from yesterday) which worked fine
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14:01:03GermanMushroomoh wait
14:01:27GermanMushroomsorry, didnt read all, ill try selecting different ones
14:01:58GermanMushroomtho odd decision setting this per region, instead of plain and simple numbers
14:02:38gevaertsGermanMushroom: why? *everyone* uses this mechanism, for the good reason that it matches actual usage
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14:05:09drezonok, i'll try that build. but the strange thing is my build works on milestone but doesn't on the sgs
14:05:37evilnickOh, S1?
14:05:46*evilnick is running it on an S2
14:09:05gomsemari1Similar problem as drezon said, on 2.3.4 Samsung Galaxy Tab with r30180. Can't try forum's build as its res is 600x1024
14:12:04gomsemari1Here's dumpstate_app_error.txt: http://obscure.tistory.com/attachment/cfile10.uf@1435B4434E28140C275A7D.txt
14:16:31gomsemari1Maybee HeadphoneMonitor causes problem? Emulator starts working from r30173, but my target stops working.
14:17:19AlexPGermanMushroom: It changes a number of settings to match what are actually used in that region, hence you set the region
14:17:36AlexPInstead of expecting people to know what de-emphasis or whatever FM uses in their region
14:17:58GermanMushroomi see
14:18:04GermanMushroomnever heard of de-emphasis
14:18:20AlexPSo this is why we don't give you a list to choose from
14:18:48GermanMushrooma few radiostations arent super clear, so thats why i want the stepping size to be smaller
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14:56:29rasherevilnick: must be a rockbox bug then :)
14:59:17evilnickrasher: It does appear so :)
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15:10:02lasserI wrote a small bash script to count wasps, bees or similar insects. For now I have to use my laptop to do this, but this is a little bit uncomfortable. What is a good starting point to port that script to rockbox, so I can use it with my Iriver H320?
15:12:28rasherWhat exactly does it do? Try looking at some of the simpler plugins
15:13:15rasherIf you just want to press a button to increase a counter, that should be very simple
15:13:33gbl08maDoes the Iriver H320 have LUA support?
15:14:29rasherOh, good point. I forgot about LUA
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15:18:02gbl08maI can write a small counter app in LUA very quick, but it'll be useless if that iriver has no Lua support
15:18:45lasserrasher: increase and decrease counters, yes. And, that will be a bonus, speak the numbers. And, of course, display them on the screen in a good way. Have a look at http://pastebin.com/taxehQWv
15:21:13gbl08maI don't think the TTS part is doable in Rockbox... the counter is fairly simple though, and in my opinion it'd be simple enough to be written in LUA.
15:21:46gbl08ma(because otherwise you'll have to make a new build every time you want to test a small change...)
15:23:12gevaertsSpeaking just numbers could be done by having a rather limited number of clips
15:23:24lassergbl08ma: fairly simple to *you*. I never did something with rockbox or LUA :-)
15:25:31gbl08malasser: if you don't have a Rockbox development environment setup, LUA is still better than C even if you have no experience with any :)
15:26:56gbl08ma(a lua script only needs a text editor and a way to transfer files to the player, to write a C plugin you need to download the entire source code and setup the environment)
15:28:04AlexPHow do I go about correcting spelling in Rockbox?
15:28:28AlexPIf I change english.lang then all the sources in the other langs files, is that acceptable?
15:28:34AlexPAnd can genlang help me?
15:28:55AlexPThe change is that catalogue should be spelt catalogue, but is catalog (the US version) in Rockbox
15:29:31*AlexP looks for rasher
15:29:50rasherI believe it can!
15:29:55AlexPnice :)
15:30:02AlexPSo, what would be the best procedure?
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15:30:49rasherI'm not at a PC right now, but change the string in all langs and commit
15:31:00rasherShouldn't bother anyone
15:31:05AlexPSo source and dest in english, and source in all the others?
15:31:13rasherYep
15:31:21AlexPcool, thanks
15:31:34AlexPWhat about desc? - I can leave it if it causes issues
15:31:39AlexPBut it'd be nice to be consistent
15:31:45gevaertsAlexP: yesterday you said "catalog" in #rockbox!
15:31:54AlexPgevaerts: Once! :)
15:32:09rasherAlex: same thing.
15:32:17AlexPOK, thanks
15:32:20*linuxstb wonders if anyone wants to try again to get rid of title case...
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15:33:46AlexPlinuxstb: Yes, sort of
15:34:02AlexPlinuxstb: As in I'd prefer it not to be there, but I not enough to have the fight :)
15:35:32AlexPActually, I guess it is langtool I want
15:37:31linuxstbAlexP: I thought the fight was won last time, but I never got round to actually finishing the patch properly.
15:37:38AlexPah, maybe
15:37:43AlexPI can't remember :)
15:38:49linuxstbIIRC, I needed to write a script to modify all the source strings in the other language files as well, and never got round to it.
15:39:27gbl08malasser: are you still there?
15:39:49lassergbl08ma: yes, I am. The H320 *has* LUA support, just verified it...
15:40:41gbl08malasser: Yes I checked too, and I quickly made a counter script, try: gbl08ma.cz.cc/dl/rb/lua/counter.lua">http://gbl08ma.cz.cc/dl/rb/lua/counter.lua (put anywhere on your player and "play" it)
15:41:53gbl08malasser: note that it doesn't save the count when exiting, do you want the script to do that?
15:43:43lassergbl08ma: Thank you very much! No, saving is not necessary.
15:46:43gbl08malasser: no problem :) I had been coding another LUA script before so I already had the text editor open and some code snippets on hand.
15:55:20rasherlinuxstb, AlexP: there is also an english-us now, re title case
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15:56:36AlexPThat's a good point
15:59:16AlexPrasher: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/443536/ :)
15:59:22AlexPA bit long :)
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16:00:11AlexPWhen building, what's an easy way to make errors/warnings stand out so that I see them?
16:00:31gevaertsAlexP: make 2>errors
16:00:42AlexPgevaerts: ta
16:00:50gevaertsAnd then look at errors :)
16:01:04AlexPI'd managed that bit :)
16:01:21rasherAlexP: looks fine at a glance
16:01:34AlexPrasher: cool, I'm just building a couple
16:03:05AlexPI've just realised that for the manual changes for the playlist stuff there needs to be several million screenshots :/
16:03:25AlexPrasher: Did you ever win with the auto generating them?
16:04:01rasherNot really
16:04:23AlexPshame :)
16:04:43rasherI think I was close, but it needs someone who understands Rockbox better
16:04:50lassergbl08ma: sorry for the lag, I just broke my chair in two parts. Who said that sitting at a desk writing some words is not dangerous? Shame on him!
16:05:59*gbl08ma wonders how many persons have broken chairs while logged in the Rockbox IRC...
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16:14:45JdGordonarent we using us spelling for everything that isnt colour? :)
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16:16:56gbl08maJdGordon: I think so :)
16:17:02rasherNo.
16:17:29rasherenglish.lang is British English
16:18:48gbl08maWhere else can we see differences between english.lang and english-us.lang? (I guess I could do a diff, but I'm too lazy)
16:21:09evilnickAny place where US English differs from English
16:21:17lassergbl08ma: I will use your script as a start. But it's does not exactly what I want to do it, I want to use at least two keys to count, in case of the H320 the keys + and -. But left/play and right/record and STOP should be used too.
16:21:32*evilnick is still FUMING that Apple designated English and UK English as separate languages
16:22:05[Saint]evilnick: there's "International English", "UK English" and "American English".
16:22:42gbl08malasser: I don't know which number the do_menu function returns for these keys in the H300, I know that on iPods, the Menu key retruns -1 and the back key returns -2.
16:22:48[Saint]the differences between International/UK are subtle.
16:23:28gbl08malasser: but I tell you, I shouldn't be using numbers to guess keypresses. Rockbox has its own libraries for key names IIRC, I just don't use them in my scripts.
16:24:16gbl08malasser: if you could share your modifications of the script with us, it'd be nice :) I could post them on my blog if you give permission.
16:24:38*linuxstb compares english and english-us and wonders about "scrollbar" vs "scroll bar"
16:25:32[Saint]linuxstb: I wondered about that too when I saw it.
16:25:39[Saint]I think its a little bit BS, really.
16:26:33[Saint]the author just basically didn't like UK English, and apparently saw it as an excuse to change a few other things too ;)
16:26:35lassergbl08ma: of course I will share the code! But be patient, I have to learn from scratch... But: Isn't there a possibility to automagically port something from bash to LUA?
16:27:07gbl08malasser: I don't think so... plus, you'd need to remove that part about espeak from the bash script
16:28:44lassergbl08ma: yeah, I know. TTS is a bonus and the last on the list.
16:29:35gbl08malasser: you'll find lua not to be very difficult... I find bash more complex than lua.
16:30:19gbl08maIMO the problem with lua in Rockbox is the lack of the math library, which makes many scripts found on the internet not to be convertible for use in Rockbox.
16:30:32lassergbl08ma: Do you know a good and easy guide for LUA? Perhaps especially for Rockbox?
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16:34:18gbl08ma_I think I saw on some to-do list about lua saying there was a fixed-point replacement for the math library, but it hasn't been implemented yet
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16:35:30gbl08ma_lasser: the Rockbox wiki page about LUA is the place where you'll most documentation and some code examples...
16:36:32lassergbl08ma_: you mean http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginLua?
16:36:48gbl08ma_lasser: yes
16:37:47[Saint]and the LUA website, of course.
16:38:07gbl08ma_yes, obviously :) lua.org and lua-users.org
16:38:34lasserthanks!
16:38:51gbl08ma_currently I'm looking for some fixed-point lua math library, it'd add a great amount of lua compatibility to rockbox.
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17:05:53lassergbl08ma_: Where can I find the key names which I can use in lua and how do I use them?
17:06:53gbl08ma_lasser: I don't know, to be honest, I don't think anyone here on the channel knows much about lua. I'm perhaps one of the persons who experimented more with it, but my knowledge is very poor.
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17:21:46z180i have not coded in lua but i had allegro,it had a fixed point 3d renderer
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17:50:17lasserI give up. I can't figure out how use the keys of the H320. Sad. Thanks for your help.
17:51:06gbl08malasser: I'll see what I can do... do you have an account on the forums?
17:53:24lassergbl08ma_: yes I have. It is named *lassowski*
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17:56:26[Saint]pluginlib handles all the keymaps for plaugins does it not?Or, it can, rather.
17:56:37[Saint]*plugins too
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17:57:52[Saint]iiuc, one of the functions of pluginlib is to provide a basic keymap for plugins to use.
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18:00:34Torne[Saint]: if the plugin wants a very simple set of buttons, yes
18:00:43Torneit doesn't do it "for you" though
18:00:58Tornethere is not just a functoin that tells you waht button is pressed :)
18:01:05Torneyou have to pass it the right context magic and so on
18:01:39Tornelasser: look at the code for the existing lua plugins, no?
18:03:54gbl08maIIRC the lua plugin pixel-painter works with device's buttons using Rockbox's libraries.
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18:31:02EfrathHello, just a new person briefly passing by to ask, does Rockbox work on iAudio D2+? I know it supposedly works on Cowon iAudio D2, but I was unsure if it worked on the D2+.
18:33:33gbl08maI can't recall where I saw that there was a fixed point replacement for lua's math lib... I'd say it was either on the apps/plugins/lua/README file, or on the PluginLua wiki page...
18:37:46lasserTorne: you mean from the rockbox wiki page?of course...
18:39:06gbl08malasser: no, he means the existing lua plugins on the tracker (currently the only one usable is pixel-painter.lua I think)
18:40:03gbl08maI found the lua-math-library-for-fixed-point-thing, it's not really a lib, but a patch: http://lua-users.org/wiki/LuaPowerPatches (scroll to LNUM number mode patch)
18:44:24Tornenot just in the tracker, there is at least one in the actual tree
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18:47:27gbl08mayes, there's boomshine.lua on all builds.
18:49:38gbl08maand helloworld.lua on the svn tree
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19:15:28bertrik[Saint], I can probably turn enable/disable the LCD on the nano 1g, but I'm not sure I can fully put it in sleep state
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19:24:34wodzbertrik: Try and battery_bench it.
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19:29:54bertrikwodz, actually, I hate that, it takes so long
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19:30:05bertrikwell maybe not on this nano 1g with old battery
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19:33:39wodzwith app.lds like this: http://www.pastie.org/2249515 I get /home/wodz/rockbox-git/build/ram.link:84: non constant or forward reference address expression for section .audiobufend
19:33:39wodzcollect2: ld returned 1 exit status
19:33:49wodzany Idea what I screwed up?
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19:46:26wodzok figured out
19:56:11drezonwhy is the internal sample format (in dsp.c) 28.4?
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19:57:51drezonI managed to convert my resampling stuff (the core of it) to fixed point. But I expect the samples as 16 bits (or 0.16 as int32s).
19:59:39drezonAnd even with this the sinc can only have a fractional part of 14 bits (maybe I'll get it to 16. this is just a first hack).
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20:19:53bertrikdrezon, how many taps do you use?
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21:22:24misspapayaI'm trying to install the rockbox kernel to the firmware partition of a nano2g. is that easy to do or should I give up?
21:23:38mshathlonxpwho do you want to do so?
21:24:13misspapayaI'm assuming you mean why, and cause it'll boot faster and I don't have to worry about accidentally loading the apple firmware
21:24:33Torneinstead you have to worry about accidentally erasing all of rockbox's settings
21:24:43Torne:)
21:25:01mshathlonxpwell, nano already boots fast and I can't see what bad could happen if you will accidentally load apple's firmware
21:25:03Tornedo not install rockbox that way unless you are using a custom build with hold-switch-resets-settings compiled out
21:25:23Tornethe nano2g saves very little boot time by installing rockbox to the firmware
21:25:33mshathlonxpI guess 1 sec max :)
21:25:39Tornemshathlonxp: substantially less
21:25:47mshathlonxpeven nicer
21:25:49Tornei suspect more like 300ms
21:25:53Torneif that
21:26:01mshathlonxpafter my ipod video my 1g nano seems to boot very fast :)
21:26:27Torneanyway, yes, if you do that with a normal rockbox build and then plug it in with the hold switch enabled it will, instad of booting the OF, boot rockbox and erase all your settings.
21:26:33TorneSo, don't do that
21:27:01bertrikis there an explanation somewhere about how an ipod nano 1g boots?
21:27:12mshathlonxpand btw one more reason why to keep original crappy firmware is if some beta or self compiled rockbox builds are being used
21:27:26mshathlonxpmay save restoring ipod :)
21:27:58*mshathlonxp remembers testing rockbox compiled by someone which hung when connected to PC
21:28:11Tornemisspapaya: anyway. the advantages of doing it are very, very small on the nano2g, and it will require that you use a custom build, and if you can't work out how tod o it by reading the ipodpatcher documentation then you are probably not in a position where it's a good idea for you to do it
21:28:34mshathlonxpoh, it didn't hung, it crashed
21:28:38Tornei hope that helps :)
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21:30:13misspapayaTorne: I know how to use ipodpatcher cause I've done it on the nano1g, it's just that the sector size is reported as 2k on the nano2g
21:30:34Tornethe sector size is a variety of things on a variety of ipods, yes
21:30:43Torneand ipodpatcher is not quite the same on the nano2g
21:30:55Tornewe handle the firmware partition differently
21:31:08Tornethe normal install process for the bootloader is different also
21:31:20Torneso having used it on the nano1g is not super helpful
21:31:28misspapayaok
21:31:37misspapayaI'll just stick with the standard install for now then
21:31:51wodzTorne: have you looked at usb charging issue on mini?
21:32:04Tornewodz: i've not looked at it any more, no; we diagnosed the problem already
21:32:12Tornei haven't had a chance to look at maybe attacking the usb core to fix it for all devices forever :)
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21:32:31wodzgo for it :-)
21:32:34Tornemisspapaya: what you probably actually want is for the hold switch to stop being the dual boot option on ipods, which I am planning on solving sometime when i have the time
21:32:40Tornebecause then you won't load the OF by accident
21:32:53Tornethe boot time difference really is minute on all the flash-based ipods, it only helps on disk-based ones
21:33:20bertrikwhy do we currently use the hold switch to decide at dual boot
21:33:33Tornebertrik: reading the menu button at boot time was not reliable for all people/models
21:33:39misspapayaok well I gotta go. thanks for the help
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21:33:46TorneI suspect the reasons behind this have been fixed
21:33:51TorneI will produce test builds to check :)
21:34:07Tornebut before the bootloadder can be changed we need to change the actual app not to erase all its settings if the hold switch is on
21:34:15Torneand this proved not entirely trivial when i tried at devcon
21:34:22Torneit's a bugger reading the state of the buttons at boot time on ipodvideo
21:34:39Torneit's some crazy interrupt driven i2c dedicated channel with hardware decoder bullshit
21:34:42bertrikoh, are they on some kind of bus?
21:34:46bertrikah
21:34:54Torneif you read it at boot yuou get zero
21:34:59Torneno matter what buttons are pressed
21:35:08Tornei got bored of trying to work around it
21:35:22Torneit's possible, just not trivial or obvious
21:35:25Torneit just needs more work
21:35:31Tornethen we need to actually do at least one release with that change in
21:35:36Torneand *then* maybe we can change the bootloader
21:36:17Torne(i might see if i can make this backward compatible by boot versioning foo that i allowed for when i gave rockbox a signature on ipod, but hey) :)
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21:36:49tekkeitserktokhey !
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21:37:42mshathlonxpbut what's the point to change existing situation?
21:37:48Torneit's dumb
21:37:57Tornepeople frequently boot the OF by accident and then don't know how to get out
21:37:57mshathlonxpmaybe before connect cable to ipod first check lock switch position?
21:38:20Tornealso, you cannot do my favourite use case which is to turn the player on then immediately put it on hold and drop it in your pocket, knowing it will autoresume
21:38:26Torne(i have a patched bootloader and build to make this work) :)
21:38:58Torneif you manage to time it unluckily it's far too easy a way to reset all your settings by mistake, also :)
21:39:24mshathlonxphm
21:39:28mshathlonxpwhat's the point to lock ipod?
21:39:37Torneer, because i'm putting it in my pocket?
21:39:40mshathlonxpso?
21:39:58Torne..i don't want the volume to change up and down at random as it brushes against things that happen to be capacitive?
21:40:07*mshathlonxp is always listening music in work with ipod in pocket [fortunately overalls in work has hoods, so nobody sees headphones]
21:40:09Torneor for it to skip tracks any time i bump into something?
21:40:19AlexPOr try to get it out your pocket
21:40:26Torneyeah, that too
21:40:45mshathlonxpI guess we are using our ipods differently
21:40:51Torneyes, probably :)
21:40:58*mshathlonxp enjoys ability to change tracks and volume without removing it from pocket
21:41:04AlexPAre you seriously suggesting that you don't see the point of hold?
21:41:09*AlexP is yet again amazed
21:41:10Torneright, but this change doesn't make it any harder for you
21:41:24Torneyou can already boot the OF by powering on by pressing and holding menu
21:41:27Tornethis has always worked
21:41:28mshathlonxpI see, but I can't see any point of it for me
21:41:32AlexPSo?
21:41:41Tornewho cares if there's any point for you?
21:41:41mshathlonxpit's just switch I can switch on/off when I have nothing to do :D
21:41:49AlexPI couldn't care less what it does for you
21:41:58AlexPYou asked why bother changing it
21:42:20Torne"i don't care" is a valid reason for *you* not to do it, it's not a valid reason for someone else not to do it :)
21:43:28AlexPTorne: He seems to have trouble with the concept that what he wants isn't the only thing that counts, this has come up before
21:43:42mshathlonxpwell, I guess a couple of rockbox inconviences [for me] are because rockbox is being created to suit usage habbits of developers :)
21:44:22Tornemshathlonxp: are you saying that you will be inconvenienced if you can't use the hold switch to boot the OF and/or erase your settings any more?
21:44:31Tornebecause that would be a valid objection, if you explained yourself
21:44:43Tornewe might not care, but it's still valid
21:45:24mshathlonxpwell, as far as there is a way how to boot OF, I don't care about that hold on powerup
21:45:29mshathlonxpI meant some other things ;)
21:47:16Torneok, so if you don't object to this then don't say something that sounds like an objection, dude
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21:57:15lasserTorne: gbl08ma: Just for the records, I'm to dumb to get access to the keys
21:57:33lasserI give up. Bye!
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22:18:12bertrikoh, must be my own code
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23:09:14n1sto chime in on the previous discussion, i find the erase settings on boot feature fairly useless
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23:18:19bertrikbah, I don't quite get this (knockoff) remote: it appears to send a no-button packet immediately after sending a button with a volume button report, even when the volume button is held
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23:19:10echelonhi
23:19:19bertrikI thought it was just supposed to send a bitmap of buttons pressed, nothing more nothing less
23:19:25echelonhow can i tell if my sansa c200 is a v1 or v2
23:20:04bertrikcheck the firmware version in the original firmware
23:20:16echeloni don't remember a v2 before
23:20:16echelonhmm
23:20:18bertrikit's under settings / system info probably IIRC
23:20:38bertrikand check it against the values mentioned on our wiki
23:20:50echelon01.00.03A
23:22:38AlexPn1s: I suppose the only real use case is if you manage to change a setting like contrast or language that means you can't see how to fix it, and are away from a PC so can't connect and edit/delete config.cfg
23:22:56n1sand know of the reset feature
23:23:19AlexPyes
23:24:00echelonmy sansa c200 is currently on ver 3.3 of rockbox
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23:24:17AlexPechelon: That's a v1
23:24:25echelonah, thanks :)
23:24:33n1si can't imagine it happens often but ti can of course be useful in such a situation
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23:25:25n1swell, mostly if you manage to unintentionally change a setting, if you are in the language menu or whatever menu, getting back to a usable value shouldn't be hard
23:26:02AlexPYou would have thought so :)
23:27:20n1shmm, i've a feeling we've had this discussion before actually :)
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23:31:44n1sthinking about it, is there any setting except language you *should* be able to set to a value that makes the player unusable?
23:32:28n1scontrast, for example, should probably be clamped so that the lowest and highest values are still readable
23:32:32echeloni have to mount the c200 before running the rockbox utility?
23:32:39AlexPyes
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23:34:08echelonis the bootloader in 3.9 different from the one in 3.3?
23:34:34Tornethe bootloader is released independantly
23:34:36AlexPI'm not sure, I can't remember when we last updated it
23:35:04echelonhmm, it said bootloader was installed and asked if i wanted to skip it
23:35:49echelonso i skipped it, and now it says, problem detected: target mismatch detected. installed target: c200, selected target: sansa c200v1 series.
23:36:30gevaertsTell it to continue
23:36:35echelonkk
23:36:38Tornen1s: it shouldn't be too difficult to add the reset-settings thing on a button, just needs some thought to make the button driver work earlier
23:36:42AlexPThat's fine, it'll only do it this once
23:36:57Tornen1s: i was going to make it ffwd+rew which you can't do by accident :)
23:36:57gevaertsThat's a result of us changing the internal name from c200 to c200v1 when the c200v2 was introduced
23:37:10n1sTorne: that is certainly nicer
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23:38:08n1si guess my point was that i don't think the reset thing is useful enough to stand in the way of making other stuff nicer
23:38:13echelonoh ok
23:38:37n1sand i'd prefer removing it over leaving it in and living with the current mess
23:38:58n1sbut another combination is a bette option if it can be made to work
23:39:06Tornen1s: right, i just haven't put enough time into trying to get it to work right
23:39:13Tornei experimented for a bit at devcon and haven't touched it since
23:39:38n1sthe beast has the same problem btw, only you can't escape the OF without a pointy tool...
23:39:42TorneRight
23:39:48TorneI was also going to hcange it on the beast
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23:42:28Tornei think.
23:42:32Torne:)
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23:49:16echelonhow do i charge the c200 while being able to listen to mp3s?
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23:49:39echelononce i connect the data cable, i can't seem to access anything
23:49:55n1sechelon: hold some button while plugging, don't remember which one but the manual knows
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23:50:06n1sḯd guess menu though
23:50:14echelonah, left
23:50:26echelonand it will still charge, right?
23:51:47n1syeah, there should be a charger icon in the status bar and the battery indicator should animate filling up but it's really hard to see with the default theme
23:53:06echeloni can't find the voice menu :/
23:53:17AlexPIt is there
23:53:27AlexPThe manual may help you out
23:54:20echelonsettings > sound settings, playback settings, general settings, theme settings, recording settings, manage settings
23:54:32AlexPIt is in general settings IIRC
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