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#rockbox log for 2011-08-10

00:00:12CIA-14New commit by 03bluebrother (r30275): Rockbox Utility: use libusb-1.0 by default.
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00:02:30CIA-14r30275 build result: All green
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00:23:03sideralJasonGriffee: you need to reboot to run Rockbox after adding files with the original firmware
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01:00:37JdGordonthanks AlexP
01:00:52AlexPno worries
01:01:06AlexPI must get round to the playlist catalogue changes too...
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01:03:57bluebroth3rAlexP: any thoughts on adding a wordlist for Rockbox to the spellcheck script?
01:04:15AlexPYeah, would be a good plan
01:04:22AlexPI assume it can just be fed to aspell?
01:05:06bluebroth3rAlexP: my current list: http://pastebin.com/9if2hTD8
01:05:32AlexPbluebroth3r: "img" too
01:05:41AlexPIt gets picked up in the source
01:06:00bluebroth3rimg?
01:06:05bluebroth3rthe img macro?
01:06:11AlexPyeah
01:06:19bluebroth3rthat should be treated differently :)
01:06:32AlexPbut yeah, the list looks like most of what I remember seeing
01:06:37AlexPgood stuff :)
01:07:19bluebroth3rhmm, do we have a \img{} macro? I don't see any
01:07:29AlexPmaybe not
01:07:38AlexPone sec, and I'll find what it was tripping on
01:07:58bluebroth3rok
01:09:30AlexPbluebroth3r: It trips on "img" in e.g. the line "\screenshot{plugins/images/ss-calendar}{Calendar}{img:calendar}"
01:09:56bluebroth3rhmm, it shouldn't check that argument at all
01:11:21bluebroth3rah, the 3rd argument is marked as optional in the command line. Which is wrong ...
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01:14:43CIA-14New commit by 03bluebrother (r30276): Update spellcheck script. ...
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01:15:15bluebroth3rAlexP: here you go :)
01:15:34AlexPcool :)
01:16:22bluebroth3rmy idea was to extend the wordlist file with all Rockbox specific terms during the time :)
01:17:11CIA-14r30276 build result: All green
01:17:19AlexPyes, I'll get adding to it :)
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09:00
09:08:00*ukleinek tries to put a first patch into fs
09:09:57ukleinekthere is rk27xx missing in the player type drop down list, so I choose "Another"
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09:18:51*ukleinek runs his spell-checking script over rockbox
09:19:19God_EaterAre our swedish overlords due back from their enormously long vacations any time soon?
09:19:24sideralukleinek: yay! congrats to your brand-new Flyspray account! :) Did you finally get email from it?
09:19:29*God_Eater is keen to make sure the gerrit move doesn't stall
09:19:46sideralGod_Eater: yes they are
09:19:59ukleineksideral: yeah, I solved the problem with Zagor and the admin of my mailserver
09:20:16sideralukleinek: what was going on?
09:20:43God_Eatersideral: that's good news - so we just need to start kicking Zagor and Torne a lot now
09:21:01ukleineksideral: the problem was that "my" mailserver checked if the sender of the fs-mail accept bounces before taking the mail and it didn't
09:21:10*Zagor puts on body armor
09:21:55sideralukleinek: interesting anti-spam measure, never heard of that before
09:22:17ukleineksideral: I thought it was a usual one.
09:22:44ukleinekIIRC the university I used to study at does that, too
09:22:53amiconnSounds rather unusual to me
09:22:57Zagorit's actually pretty pointless, as 99% of spam has a fake (but real) from address. but at least it stopped these mails :-)
09:23:00sideralukleinek: you can ask Zagor to add any missing player type to the FS dropdown list
09:23:23Zagors/real/existing/
09:23:44ukleinekZagor: and it catches misconfigured mail servers :-)
09:24:08Zagoryeah, the real bug was in my flyspray config. I sent out the mails using a bogus from address.
09:26:19ukleinekurgs, my spell checker script is to eager, it just did s/amunt/amount/ in apps/lang/catala.lang
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09:26:42*ukleinek assumes this file doesn't contain English, does it?
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09:28:08B4gderhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language ...
09:32:27ukleinekB4gder: yeah, I assumed that, but I saw a few English words in the context diff though, like "none", "<dest>" etc.
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09:32:56B4gderyes, those keywords are part of our language file magic
09:33:07God_EaterZagor / Bagder: has any progress started on your end for the gerrit implementation? Or are you waiting on Torne?
09:33:34Zagornothing yet
09:33:54*ukleinek created FS #12225, not sure this is worth as task. But as I don't have another way to send patches, that's it.
09:33:54fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12225 3Fix compiler warning in utils/rk27utils/rkboottool (patches, unconfirmed)
09:34:31God_EaterI'm just keen to get it moving because I feel like we're taking the piss a bit with the server that the nice folks at Positive lent us to demo it on :)
09:35:03God_EaterI said I thought we'd only need it for a couple of weeks, and it's been considerably longer than that now.
09:36:55Zagorright. I think I'd like Torne to produce a basic howto.
09:38:05God_Eaterseems not unreasonable ;)
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09:39:27[Saint]Didn't he?
09:40:05God_Eater[Saint]: he produced an enduser howto
09:40:13God_Eaternot a "here's how we migrate" howoto
09:40:38[Saint]I seem to remember blundering though some form of gerrit quickstart.
09:40:55[Saint]Ah. Too slow, right.
09:42:15God_EaterHow the end user interacts with gerrit is neither here nor there for Zagor, he needs to know how we take what we've got and turn it into gerrit in the first place :D
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09:44:13[Saint]...unicorns. :)
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09:45:49sideralZagor, ukleinek: one open question was whether Flyspray notifications over Jabber would work at all. Has it been confirmed that they don't?
09:46:25Zagorit's never been setup, so I would assume not
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09:47:00God_Eatersideral: what would you want them for?
09:47:27God_Eater(assuming were soon to relegate FlySpray to bug reports only)
09:47:34sideralGod_Eater: I don't need them, but this was the first trap that ukleinek slid into when trying to create an FS account
09:47:53God_Eaterisn't notifications different from email confirmations on sign up?
09:48:04God_Eater(also - he wouldn't have needed them for gerrit)
09:48:19sideralGod_Eater: apparently, FS offers to confirm via Jabber, which is what ukleinek selected first
09:48:24God_Eaterah I see
09:48:30God_Eaterthat is a bit of an issue then!
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09:49:10God_EaterI suspect that with the application of a sufficiently large hammer, Zagor can remove that option.
09:49:48ZagorI don't think that setting applies to the registration confirmation email
09:52:14God_EaterZagor: I imagine that in addition to the nitty-gritty of converting our svn to gerrit, we'll also need to figure out how to get the right hooks in place to interface with the build system?
09:52:26Zagoryes
09:52:36sideralZagor: I'd guess so as well, but apparently the dialog accepted an empty email address when "notify via jabber" was selected. ukleinek, can you confirm?
09:52:38God_Eaterwhich I suspect no-one's done anything with at all yet.
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09:54:25sideralZagor: the dialog says: "Note: You will be sent a confirmation code before your account is created. The code will be sent using your preferred notification method, above."
09:54:37Zagorsideral: ok
09:55:22Zagortry now
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09:56:05sideraltry what? the new account dialog? still looks the same...
09:56:17Zagorhmm
09:57:29Zagorsideral: but you can only choose email now
09:57:43sideralah :)
09:58:00sideralmission accomplished, I'd say :)
09:59:25sideralthank Zagor!
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10:10:31ukleineksideral: I always provided an email address
10:10:46sideralOK
10:11:41ukleinekZagor: then the Jabber ID field is kind of useless now?!
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10:11:45Zagoryes
10:12:22sideralWell, it's shown on your user page, and other can use it to contact you
10:12:28sideralvia Jabber
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10:24:35kugelpGod_Eater: I actually asked to wait with Gerrit until after gsoc
10:25:23God_Eateroh really?
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10:25:44drezonI implemented sinc resampling: FS #12223
10:25:44fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12223 3sinc resampling for rockbox (patches, unconfirmed)
10:26:01kugelpyes because the transition destroys my clone
10:26:43kugelpand all others
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10:35:47Zagorkugelp: that sounds sensible
10:38:26JdGordonsurely gerrit can keep svn up to date?
10:39:11ZagorI think he meant his clone of the current git repo
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10:41:08God_Eaterhow does deploying gerrit break that? Unless we're planning on deleting it in the mean time?
10:43:13God_Eaterit's going to take a few days to work out how we're doing to do the migration anyway right? I don't think we should avoid doing the ground work ahead of the gsoc deadline - just maybe hold off the final switch flicking until then?
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10:49:03kugelpthat is fine
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11:02:36gevaertsIt's also not as if we're talking about months any more
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11:23:01TorneZagor: the howto, such as it is, is "take a tarball of the current one, untar somewhere, chown everything to a reasonable user and run"
11:23:12Zagorok
11:23:13Torneonly dependency is a JVM
11:23:33TorneWell, it also needs its url tweaking in the config i guess.
11:23:37Tornethat would do for a first go, though
11:23:45Tornewe can look at putting it behind a reverse proxy later to get it on port 80
11:24:23Tornethe easiest option probably is if we can just have a stab at it sometime when i am active :0
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11:25:20Tornewell also when i am not at work
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11:25:52Tornebut yeah, there should be no need to actually install gerrit again, the copy we have on teh demo box is fine :)
11:26:56kugelI guess we won't have a rockbox theme for gerrit?
11:27:03kugelnot from the start anyway?
11:27:12Tornekugel: someone is welcome to do it
11:27:26Torneanyway, the first step is literally just to move the demo install as is onto our server
11:27:39gevaertskugel: you'd first have to port the WPS engine to java
11:27:40kugeldoes that someone have sufficient access?
11:28:02Tornekugel: the docs for gerrit are publicly visible through gerrit
11:28:10Tornefeel free to read how to provide it with a header/footer
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11:28:22Torneand give me some html files :)
11:30:12Tornesideral: did you try rewriting your repo to match the new one yet?
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11:30:16kugelcould it be part of www/ ?
11:30:16Tornei'm curious to see if that works :)
11:30:40Tornekugel: er, if that's checked out somewhere gerrit will be able to see it, whcih i presume it is :)
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11:30:54Torne(well not on the current machine)
11:31:02sideralTorne: I haven't tried that yet. But yeah, I think that's what's needed to keep kugel (and me) happy. :)
11:31:14sideralI might have a go at it this weekend or next week
11:31:18Torneanyway; i shall attempt to write a list of the major steps later
11:31:22Torneand send to the list
11:34:19ukleinekmy typo script has completed now, should I open another task for it?
11:34:41sideralZagor: the rockbox-sf mailing list does not seem to receive any updates since yesterday morning
11:38:52Zagoroh
11:39:14ukleinekmaybe the list doesn't take patches from accounts that take bounces :-)
11:40:57Zagorno, but it only accepts mail from whitelisted addresses. and I hadn't updated it.
11:41:21Zagorfixed
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11:47:04sideralthanks Zagor. Is there a way to pass on the emails that were held back?
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12:21:18ukleinekZagor: so resend via an allowed post?
12:21:37ukleinekat least listing the new tasks would be nice (to me) :-)
12:22:23gevaertsukleinek: you're assuming that this is easy to do :)
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12:24:25ukleinekgevaerts: right
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12:58:50sideralukleinek: you can use the FS query interface to find tasks that were updated / added in the last two days
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12:59:40ukleineksideral: if I'm aware that there was an outage, yes. But actually I care about those that could apply my two patches. How do I make them do this query?
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13:18:29kugelJdGordon: all the callbacks in apps/menus/* are only run of the settings are changed via the UI right?
13:18:41kugelwhat happens if the settings change by loading a .cfg?
13:18:50kugelor quickscreen
13:18:59JdGordonsetting_apply() sohuld take care of them
13:19:26JdGordonwhich are you asking about in particular?
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13:19:46kugelmany, but those which require a reboot are currently most interesting to me
13:20:42kugele.g. lastfm scrobbling
13:21:44JdGordonthat reboot handling should be moved to the *setting* callback
13:22:05kugelthere's no setting callback if I see this right
13:22:13JdGordonyes there is
13:22:18JdGordonin settings_list.c
13:22:27JdGordonotherwise in settins_apply()
13:22:42kugelthe entry for scrobbling has a NULL callback
13:22:59JdGordonactually, I'm not sure if that callback is called when applying a .cfg
13:23:08JdGordonand ok, I meant you'd have to obviously add one if they dont exist
13:23:52JdGordonthat should probably be changed to call each setting callback when loading from a .cfg and remove the line from settings_apply()
13:24:01JdGordon(talking about settings in general here)
13:24:38JdGordonyep, that doesnt happen
13:27:35kugelit looks like settings_load() only calsl the callback for bool settings
13:28:28JdGordonindeed
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13:28:45JdGordonwho wrote that convoluted mess?! :p
13:29:29*kugel doesn't dare to look that up :)
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13:31:54JdGordondoes anyone else remember a feature request to draw the line selector only as far as the text and not the full viewport width?
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13:42:20chuHi
13:42:58chui have just used a ZIF to USB adapter and can copy 700MB to my hdd with tranfer rate around 14MB/s
13:43:13chubut with rockbox on gigabeats it only around 2MB/s
13:43:23chuare ther any way to improve the transfer rate
13:43:25chu?
13:45:39gevaertsFrom the tests you did yesterday it looks like our ATA driver is slow with your disk. I'm not a specialist there, but if I remember correctly there's a debug screen that shows some ATA information. Can you have a look there and report what you see?
13:47:48chuin the debug Menu there are two item Disk info and Dump ATA indentify info
13:47:57chuwhat should i look at
13:48:04Tornedisk info
13:53:52JdGordonamiconn: is there a draw mode to disable the backdrop? the inverted mode doesnt seem to work as I'd expect when there is a backdrop image
13:54:50B4gderdrezon: have you done any performance comparisons between your resamling code and the linear one?
13:54:56chuhttp://pastebin.com/8YS7vp80
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13:56:07JdGordonsetting foreground to 00ff00 and background to ff0100 and setting style to STYLE_INVERT I'd expect red text on a green backing but getting black on green?
13:56:38JdGordonno idea where that black is coming from
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14:04:29GigaBrickSo I tracked down where that "*panic* mount: 0" message is coming from in the source
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14:09:20GigaBrickAt line 237 and 336 of ./firmware/usb.c there is "rc = disk_mount_all ... if(rc <= 0) /*no partition*/ ... panicf("mount: %d", rc);"
14:10:10JdGordonerr.... who knows the drawmode code?
14:10:33JdGordonwhy are the values 1,2,3,etc but the code uses it with bitwise and?
14:11:01kugelperhaps magic
14:11:27kugelr
14:11:31JdGordonDRMODE_SOLID == (DRMODE_FG|DRMODE_BG) ?
14:11:32GigaBrickIs there a good guide on using the gdb version of rockbox? I want to somehow figure out why disk_mount_all is returning 0 and causing that panic when I remove the player from usb
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14:28:39*JdGordon is done getting annoyed with our drawing API for the night
14:46:28God_Eaterwe have an API for drawing the night?
14:47:23kugelfor drawing nightmares yes
14:47:25drezonB4gd3r: no. But sinc resampling is obviously much slower. It's 15 multiplications and additions per output sample (plus 14 adds for downsampling, but that can be optimized)
14:49:56amiconnJdGordon: STYLE_* is some layer above the draw modes. I don't know whether you can do solid drawing with a style
14:51:55JdGordondo you know how the drawmodes are supposed to work?
14:52:52amiconnThe drawmodes are a mix of bitmask and values. Bit 0 is "draw background", bit 1 is "draw foreground", bit 2 is invert
14:53:26JdGordonany idea how hard it would be to get a mode in there to ignore the background image?
14:53:32amiconnBit 0 and 1 both zero has a special meaning (because it would otherwise be useless) - it sets the complement (xor) mode
14:54:34amiconnThat's something I'be been planning to add for quite some time now
14:55:57amiconnIt's a bit difficult to add in an efficient way
14:56:09*amiconn should try again
14:56:17JdGordonlease do :)
14:56:19JdGordonplease even
14:57:18kugelamiconn seems to be planning a lot :)
14:57:47amiconnYeah - I know I should actually do some of these things :\
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15:00:48kugelI wonder why plugins use the our filetree cache instead of the posix dirent api
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15:43:56kugelI guess I know why
15:49:34drezonkugel: there is a bug in the octave script that calculated the sinc. Thanks for your int16_t hint −− that made me recognize it. The sinc should have 1.0 as maximum, so int16_t wouldn't work unless we reduce fractional precision by 1 bit
15:51:22kugeldrezon: is that bit needed?
15:51:53kugelor does it matter if it's 1.0 or almost 1.0? :)
15:52:27drezonI would rather make almost 1.0 than loosing a full bit of precision
15:53:16drezonanyway.. the hamming window was not properly aligned to the sinc. I'm fixing that and the other points about readability.
15:54:21bertrikdrezon, why do you use 15 taps and not more or less?
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15:55:51bertrikthe subject of resampling has been discussed a lot before by the way, but I think you're the first to actually implement something better than linear interpolation :)
15:55:51drezonbertrik: 15 taps give about -60 db noise. not great but good enough for most stuff
15:56:21kugeldrezon: dont you only use the first 8 bits of the fractional part anyway?
15:56:43drezonkugel: for the index into the sinc, yes
15:56:53drezonnot for the sinc values themselve
15:59:04kugelI think some have said our linear is enough, some have said something better would be nice
15:59:21kugelI probably wouldn't notice the difference and I don't believe I have non-44.1kHz files :)
15:59:33drezonbertrik: But I made some arbitrary choices. E.g. why did I choose to have 256 values between zero crossings? Because it's a nice number :) I haven't simulated the noise that adds to resampling, but rather thought 256 would be the minimum precision I'd like to have
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16:00:34drezonlinear doesn't work for downsampling because you have to band-limit the signal to the new fs/2. linear doesn't do that at all
16:00:44drezonso you'll get aliasing
16:02:23kugelI'm not opposed to something better :)
16:03:11JdGordon[Saint]: did you request the list selector highlight only the text and not the full viewport width?
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16:04:00[Saint]Not I.
16:04:07[Saint]O
16:04:36JdGordonis that something worth thinking about anyway?
16:04:49[Saint]I'm not even sure what that means ;)
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16:05:48JdGordonin the list, the line selector colours the full viewport width instead of only as wide as the actual text
16:06:00[Saint]Oh. Right I get it now. Yes, unless it'd hard to do.
16:06:12[Saint]Or breaks something else.
16:06:22kugelgevaerts: do you know if FS #12032 also applies to propierties?
16:06:23fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12032 3disktidy crashes in the simulator (bugs, new)
16:06:51gevaertskugel: I didn't try, so no idea
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16:07:17kugelwell, I get a crash in readdir
16:07:24[Saint]JdGordon: I think I wanted ONLY the text
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16:07:55[Saint]With transparency in the selector bar.
16:08:09[Saint]Yeah. That was it.
16:08:11kugelnot sure why the dirents should be incompatible, or at least the d_name member
16:09:18kugeloh, someone changed d_name to be the last on linux
16:10:06[Saint]JdGordon: maybe someone else wanted what you're talking about. I think it'd look a little weird personally.
16:11:00[Saint]I wanted to change just the text color for the bar highlights without the bar drawing over the backdrop.
16:11:19[Saint]Something a bit different.
16:12:32JdGordonok
16:12:41JdGordonso that is a fair bit simpler
16:13:00JdGordonI've been playing with colouring in the skin engine, and getting pissed off with the drawing api :p
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16:21:12kugelgevaerts: the problem isn't the host dirent
16:21:22kugelit's dirent_cached vs sim_dirent
16:24:14kugelit doesn't go through readdir_cached, for some reason
16:25:48kugelaha
16:25:55kugelplugin.c is the culprit
16:26:21kugelit sets readdir to sim_readdir which is wrong for dircache
16:26:33kugelgevaerts: I think you added that :)
16:27:00gevaertsI'm sure I had a good reason!
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17:38:02dfktis it a known issue that audio balance isn't working in RaaA?
17:39:35dfkt(on both, my archos 32 and cowon d3)
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18:10:28enthdegreeguys I have a ti-84 em for sansa AMS, where can I put the source so it gets into the main plugin collection?
18:18:39AlexPenthdegree: You should submit it to flyspray
18:18:48AlexPDoes it work on any other targets?
18:19:25enthdegreeI can't test it on anything save the clip
18:19:32AlexPNot in the sim?
18:19:34enthdegreeClip+
18:19:56enthdegreeAlexP: is it enough for it to work in the sim?
18:19:56AlexPFor keymaps etc. I mean :)
18:20:15AlexPIt is better than nothing :)
18:20:37enthdegreeokay, well I'll shoot it over once I get a chance
18:20:44AlexPIt is just it has a better chance of being included if it works on other targets :)
18:21:05enthdegreeok sweetness.
18:21:07enthdegreethanks
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18:21:11AlexPBut anyway, good work - pop it on flyspray and then hope/try to get a committer interested :)
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20:17:31krptHi, rockbox looks awesome, and i'm looking right now at an archos studio 20, the only thing that prevent me from buying it is the usb 1.1, any upgrade possible to usb 2.0 ?
20:22:09Bagderno
20:22:23Bagderthe usb is handled by dedicated hw
20:23:35krptthanks for answering
20:25:05krpti should be able though to to unmount the hdd and connect it directly with a sata /usb adapter
20:25:23Bagderyes
20:25:27Bagderwell, not sata
20:26:22krpterf, ide it is ?
20:26:26Bagderyes
20:26:36Bagderthat is an _old_ player
20:26:55Bagderit was sold in 2001
20:27:15krptyeah i know, was looking for a batteries ( AA and such ) compatible player with rockbox
20:27:28krptarchos recorder is too damn expensive
20:28:29amiconnActually no single target uses sata - all the hdd based targets use parallel ata (with various connectors) (except the 160GB ipod classic G1, which uses CE-ATA)
20:28:54Bagderright, but nothing used sata back in 2001
20:29:17krptamiconn: why is that ? less power consumption ?
20:29:31*Bagder runs off
20:30:20krptdon't mind the dumb question, will google it
20:30:21amiconnFor the older ones, sata just didn't exist. For the newer ones I don't know
20:32:36krptwell i guess besides the archos recorder i won't find any batteries compatible player with rockbox, too bad for me.. whatever
20:37:54amiconnEven the archoses are not compatible with alkaline batteries. They are designed to run from NiMH batteries only
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20:38:57amiconnThat said, some users reported success with alkalines, but don't count on that - it may vary by unit
20:40:39amiconnThe only rockbox targets which are designed to run from alkalines are the archos Ondios (SP and FM)
20:41:01amiconnIirc also some sansas (m200?) - but those ports are unfinished
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20:46:26kugelpamiconn: that may cause my problems with that player
20:46:39kugelpI do use alkalines
20:46:40krptthx amiconn, do you know if the rockbox firmware increased the batteries life on the ondio ? seems like the black spot on it
20:46:56krptwith which player kugelp ?
20:47:06krptthe alkalines
20:47:06amiconnkrpt: Yes it did - about 30%
20:47:27gevaertskrpt: make sure you're aware of the limitations before buying one of those old archoses
20:47:32kugelpkrpt: archos studio 10
20:47:36amiconnOnly rockbox is able to achieve the battery runtime archos stated for the Ondio
20:48:16krptgevaerts, yes the usb 1.1 seems like a "no go"
20:48:51krptbesides that i just want "normal" batteries life and 320kb mp3 playback
20:49:29n1skrpt: they have limited format support (mp3, wav and mp2 iirc) and the ondio uses mmc which is rare today
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20:52:47gevaertsOh, and full speed USB is *not* the thing that slows copying down on the ondio
20:53:29amiconnIndeed not
20:54:17krptlol , i'd use a mmc card reader for that
20:54:28amiconnNowadays you'd use large-ish MMCs anyway though (the built-in 128MB are tiny), and those you can easily fill using a card reader
20:54:39krptbut they are more expensive than sd those mmc !
20:55:09amiconn(only large-ish because the size limit of *available* MMCs is 4GB)
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20:55:59krptnot even sure if "high-speed" mmc's are supported on the ondio
20:56:15amiconnThey are supported - just not at high speed
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20:56:39amiconnThe high speed MMC extension is fully backwards compatible
20:57:07krpt'k thanks for the tip
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20:58:31krptfound one 4gb for 25euros, reasonable price finally.
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20:59:08krptto find a working "ondio" that's another thing :p
20:59:19amiconnyeah
20:59:45amiconnThe Ondios aren't exactly rock-solid hardware
20:59:47gevaertskrpt: why do you want AA or AAA batteries?
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21:00:12krptgoing for long treks , speleology and such
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21:00:35krptjust want to keep it simple
21:01:35amiconnI know of two main failure modes
21:02:23amiconnOne is mechanical: The power button may come off the board, and that's quite difficult to fix because it sits between the main board and the tuner board which are difficult to separate without destroying traces
21:03:25amiconnThe other is electronic: The main DC-DC converter chip may break. It doesn't fail completely, but it sucks a lot more power than it should, causing the chip to become hot, and the batteries to drain very fast
21:03:45krpt:D
21:04:07amiconnA battery runtime of 2 hours instead of 8..10 is certainly not what you want
21:04:19krpteuhh.. nope
21:06:50gevaertskrpt: just as a point of interest, a sansa clip v1 weighs about the same as two AAA batteries, and last (more or less) as long as an ondio on *three* of those.
21:07:08n1si'd recomend getting a more modern player and an external battery powered usb charger thingy
21:08:55krptguess you're right, looking at a dead end otherwise
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21:23:59krptsomeone is selling an "archos jukebox recorder 20" as "broken" on the net, apparently what the person says, she doesn't know how to power it up..
21:24:48krptspecial trick to power it up ? i could ask her to test it
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21:35:29amiconnNothing special - just put in a set of 4 charged NiMH batteries
21:36:05amiconnThese must be present - the external charger is *only* a charger, the box cannot run from it
21:38:24krptis the usb cable a "standard" one ?
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21:38:36krptselling with no accessories
21:42:48amiconnNo, you need a (rather non standard A-A cable
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21:53:32krptfelt like gambling, just bought it for 20euros, will test it at a battery store.. if lucky and working i'll be back here to give a bit of feedback
21:54:04krptthanks for the great help i found here, you rock guys ;)
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22:19:17krptjust found that on the forum : "As the Archos is built on a 2.5inch pata HD, it would be a lot simpler to replace that by a similar 2.5inch pata SSD. And no, I haven't done it."
22:19:28krptsame connector on recorder ?
22:19:45krpthow cool would that be :D :D
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22:25:55krptdon't bother, found my answer in the wiki
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