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#rockbox log for 2011-09-01

00:01:46bluebroth3rhmm, has the notification possibly no permission to access the sd card?
00:05:52bluebroth3r\o/
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00:13:02[Saint]bluebroth3r: You got it? I take it?
00:13:20[Saint]Hmmm...that needs one less /
00:13:24[Saint]? even.
00:13:55ChallapradyumnaHii
00:14:13Challapradyumnaanyone online??
00:15:11mystica555_almost always someone is; just ask whatever question you may have :)
00:15:53 Nick kugel is now known as kugelp (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel)
00:16:05Challapradyumnawhen i format clip+ shows 1.8 gb after a single start of the clip it shows 1.6 gb
00:16:26Challapradyumna200mb for what ??
00:16:57Challapradyumnahow can i avoid it?
00:20:06bluebroth3rhave you checked the actual data on the player?
00:21:00ChallapradyumnaNothing is there
00:21:01[Saint]should be pretty easy to "format, check the disk, boot OF, check the disk, compare"
00:21:11bluebroth3r[Saint]: there is a problem: the UI hangs when there is no AA image
00:21:44gevaertsMaybe the OF database?
00:22:10Challapradyumna200 mb O.O
00:22:42Challapradyumna2gb ->useful 1.8 ->Leaving the database 1.6
00:23:13*bluebroth3r found it
00:23:26ChallapradyumnaThere are no hidden files too
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00:24:14TorneYou're using hte original firmware to access it over usb, yes?
00:24:21Tornein both USB modes, some data is hidden
00:24:30TorneMSC hides the MTP data and vice versa
00:24:44kugelpfixed my server
00:24:57ChallapradyumnaK
00:25:18Challapradyumnayes using OF for charging and USB
00:25:41ChallapradyumnaCan i get rid of it?
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00:33:08kugelpbluebroth3r: want to display aa in the notifications area?
00:35:08bluebroth3rkugelp: yep
00:35:25kugelpnice idea
00:35:39bluebroth3rbluebrother/device-2011-09-01-003319.png">http://tinyurl.com/bluebrother/device-2011-09-01-003319.png
00:36:25bluebroth3rthere's something strange with the layout though −− if I remove the (not visible) ImageView it crashes.
00:36:55bluebroth3rand bluebrother/device-2011-09-01-003348.png">http://tinyurl.com/bluebrother/device-2011-09-01-003348.png
00:38:14bluebroth3reither way, time for sleep.
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02:28:53[Saint]"new" themes up: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,28083.msg184246.html#msg184246 for RaaA, still no 340x480, sorry guys.
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02:56:33[Saint]Hmmmm....I never did find out if touch declarations could be nested in a conditional.
02:58:52[Saint]making the .sbs titlebar jump to .wps when a track is playing, when you're in the main menu might be nice,
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03:04:24*JdGordon| never was a fan of the playback controls being in the sbs when nothing is plaing
03:04:46JdGordon|long since given up on that horse tohguh
03:05:53[Saint_AndChat]JdGordon|: makes it easier to resume playback.
03:06:02JdGordon|[Saint_AndChat]: 480x800 has graphical stuff ups on the volume icon and bar
03:06:24JdGordon|no way to make a screenshot right now though
03:06:33[Saint_AndChat]Ah. I see. On it.
03:08:12JdGordon|also the system sbs title has black edges
03:09:07JdGordon|ditto time&date
03:09:31JdGordon|otherwise no issues
03:09:38[Saint]*derp*, right. Got that too. two nice, simple fixes. A lot better than I expected.
03:10:00[Saint]graphical issues .wps only, yeah?
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03:10:19JdGordon|yep
03:10:33JdGordon|you're using the wrong icons for << and >>
03:10:51JdGordon|if a press is next track it really should be |< and >|
03:10:55JdGordon|>> is ffwd
03:11:57[Saint]yeah, I'd thought about that...but then "the whole of cabbie does it wrong".
03:12:14JdGordon|?
03:12:21JdGordon|only the touch targets have that icon at all?
03:12:22[Saint]well, the touch ones, anyhow. I can make it so.
03:13:33[Saint]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30204410/RaaA/RELEASE%20CANDIDATE/cabbiev2-480x800-application.zip should do it. (the first two issues)
03:13:39alexbobpwhat's the screensize of the fuze?
03:14:04JdGordon|220*176 iirc
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03:14:59alexbobpoh my, I don't think I can test this theme then :P
03:15:36alexbobpby the way is there any way to get mpegplayer to rescale porn to my small screen? instead of just showing me a little corner of it?
03:15:44[Saint]Hmmm, must have been screenshots you were commenting on, probably why its not as firm in your mind as I thought.
03:15:52[Saint]I thought you had an Android target.
03:16:51alexbobpoh yeah, android
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03:17:07alexbobpI do have an android target, 480x800. I probably would have made comments about it, I just don't remember them XD
03:17:20[Saint]:D
03:17:30alexbobpawesome, I'll get the latest rockbox android build and try this theme then
03:17:48alexbobpI think my complaint might have been that the pause/navigation buttons on the WPS were absent
03:17:51alexbobpsince they are absent >_>
03:17:52[Saint]re-download, if you didn't get it in the last ~5 minutes. ;)
03:18:56[Saint]and, they're not absent any longer. actually, I think they were always there. I remember someone was pretty adament about the way they wanted them ordered though, not sure who that was. But, they won. ;)
03:20:35alexbobp[Saint]: huh? not talking about that argument.
03:20:47alexbobpseriously, the play/pause button was invisible on my WPS on android.
03:20:52alexbobpalso next/back
03:22:10alexbobp[Saint]: by the way I'm confused about the difference between the 480x800 build and the 800x480 build
03:22:29[Saint]Yeah, the way svn cabbie is coded is outright weird. Limitations of the time.
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03:23:09alexbobpmaybe I should learn to theme
03:23:18[Saint]800x480 is landscape, and this theme is portrait. while the 800x480 build would load on your target, the theme would be out of bounds and fail to parse.
03:23:29alexbobpbecause doggone it, every rockbox install on a color screen deserves to look like oldskool winamp
03:23:36[Saint]I have landscape forts in the mix.
03:23:49[Saint]Hahahah...winamp.
03:24:01alexbobpI use the boxamp theme on my fuze
03:24:02[Saint]forts? ports, even.
03:24:06alexbobpI love it
03:24:24alexbobpof course I don't use actual winamp, since it's... y'know...
03:24:25alexbobpfor windows.
03:25:16marazyou can get it for android.
03:25:21tmzt_that' snot android
03:25:30tmzt_winamp, no playlists
03:28:36alexbobpmaraz: so? I can get *rockbox* for android
03:28:56alexbobpalso if I were on windows I'd be using clementine, probably
03:29:14alexbobphere on kde 3.5, I'm just using the actual amarok 1.4 that clementine is based on
03:32:00alexbobp[Saint]: so after installing the latest build from rasher, the interface *looks* like it did the first time I installed android rockbox (a long time ago) with working buttons
03:32:09alexbobp[Saint]: but now, I get kicked out of the WPS if I hit pause! it's bizarre
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03:35:31evildaemonI think it's funny how "the best" music player using QT is made from an old version of Amarok.
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03:37:26[Saint]alexbobp: did you reload the theme .cfg?
03:38:03[Saint]settings - theme settings - browse themes - cabbiev2
03:42:17[Saint]I can't immediately (sleep drpraived) see anything that would cause that, the functionally identical 240x320 code is workingfine for me and JdGordon| didn't report such issues.
03:42:34[Saint]Are you *holding* pause? that *will* drop the the main menu.
03:42:47[Saint]tapping it should just....pause, though.
03:44:24alexbobpthis latest rockbox build actually fails to play at least one .ogg file
03:44:40alexbobpI can hear *a* beat, but it's extremely faint at maximum volume and with a lot of static
03:44:44*[Saint] makes it clear it this point that he's not actually sure if alexbobp has even applied his theme at this point. If the one and only step was installing rasher's build, then there's one more step to go ;)
03:44:59alexbobp[Saint]: I haven't applied your theme, I can't figure out how!
03:45:02[Saint]And yeah, some .ogg are *fucked*...no idea why.
03:45:17alexbobpwhere do I unzip it?
03:45:22alexbobpI unzipped it *somewhere*
03:45:53[Saint]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30204410/RaaA/RELEASE%20CANDIDATE/cabbiev2-480x800-application.zip <−− extract to /sdcard/rockbox, then go to settings - theme settings - browse themes - cabbiev2.cfg
03:46:02alexbobpah okay
03:46:20alexbobpgod I love "long-hold back to kill app"
03:46:47[Saint]alternatively you can copy that theme cfg from /rockbox/themes/ and rename it config.cfg and put it in /sdcard/rockbox/ and it'll load automagically.
03:46:56[Saint](not sure if you've got a dpad, or not)
03:48:05alexbobpkind of, the g2 has a shit optical fingerpad
03:48:16alexbobpit's like a dpad but minus the ability to use it as vaguely acceptable arrow keys
03:48:44alexbobp[Saint]: the theme installed properly, the soft screen lock works
03:48:58alexbobp[Saint]: also pausing now works fine, so thanks :D
03:49:05[Saint_AndChat]\o/
03:49:13alexbobpoh, and you re-ordered buttons! OMFGZ!
03:49:18alexbobpbutton ordering is TREMENDOUSLY IMPORTANT
03:49:21alexbobpI DEMAND you reverse this!
03:49:40[Saint_AndChat]Oh...oh....
03:49:45alexbobpI'm kidding, I don't care
03:49:48alexbobpI like the volume thing
03:50:12[Saint_AndChat]What's your preferred layout for buttons?
03:50:28[Saint_AndChat](Genuine interest)
03:50:30alexbobpI would actually move play/pause away from *all* the other buttons :P
03:50:35alexbobpother than that it doesn't matter
03:51:50alexbobpin fact you know how it goes to the menu if you tap "now playing"?
03:52:07alexbobpevery android phone has a dedicated "menu" button that also does that
03:52:18alexbobpbut if tapping "now playing" was play/pause I'd be happy
03:52:25*[Saint_AndChat] nods.
03:52:49[Saint_AndChat]Tablets don't have any hw buttons sometimes.
03:53:15alexbobpwhen they don't have hw buttons, don't they have a permanent bar with soft buttons?
03:53:50[Saint_AndChat]Hmmmm....probably. didn't think of that.
03:54:11alexbobpcyanogenmod does that at least, for my nook color
03:54:18alexbobpI don't actually know how honeycomb behaves on that front
03:54:21[Saint_AndChat]I wanted to make it usable with no HQ buttons.
03:54:27alexbobpthat's fair
03:54:32[Saint_AndChat]He even.
03:54:38alexbobpanyways my main point is it'd be nice to have a play/pause button that's far from any other hit targetws
03:54:39[Saint_AndChat]Hw
03:54:46alexbobpbecause that's the button I'm going to want to hit very frequently, often while not looking
03:55:16[Saint_AndChat]Right.
03:55:56alexbobpalso I'm of the opinion that the "back" button should take you *from* the menu *to* the WPS before backgrounding the app
03:56:09alexbobpright now, back on the WPS takes you to the menus, and back on the menus backgrounds the app
03:56:31alexbobpthat sort of workflow makes sense when rockbox *is* the OS, but I think the WPS should be treated as first-class when rockbox is the media player *app* on another OS
03:56:45[Saint]I'm not sure (with the way "back" works) if that's actually possible...
03:56:52alexbobpthat has nothing to do with your theming though
03:57:00[Saint]it might well be, but it'd confuse the shit out of people I think.
03:57:03alexbobp[Saint]: I'm sure it's possible, it's just a question of what would have to be edited...
03:57:06[Saint]Even if it is useful. ;)
03:57:26alexbobpto me, it's confusing when I'm in the menus and, to get to the WPS, I have to click my way back to it
03:58:10alexbobp[Saint]: if nothing else, it should *always* go to the WPS when I select rockbox on my notification bar
03:58:12[Saint]Rockbox, though has this "hit back enough times and wind up at the main menu", the natural extension of this (IMO) on a host OS is "quit application/background".
03:58:19[Saint]But, I like the idea.
03:58:39alexbobpI think it should be "hit back enough times and wind up at the WPS" when rockbox is an app instead of an OS
03:58:56alexbobpbackgrounding the app is like going *from* the WPS *to* the rockbox menus on a dedicated device.
03:59:10alexbobpon a device, you're going "to the OS" by going to the menus. On android, you're going "to the OS" by backgrounding the app.
03:59:40[Saint]Do you have HW menu?
03:59:54[Saint]you can use that to flash between the WPS/main menu.
03:59:56alexbobpyeah
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04:00:13alexbobphome/menu/back/search touch-buttons at the bottom of my screen
04:00:32[Saint]wel, "menu" == "main menu/last active screen"
04:00:45alexbobpyeah, I tried that from the file browser and it didn't work
04:00:54[Saint]so, if you went from menu, to wps, menu will get you back to the main menu, then pressed again, back to the wps.
04:01:17alexbobpanyways, basically, when rockbox is an android app, users need to be able to *quickly* pause it
04:01:20alexbobpthat's my take
04:01:24[Saint]it's not specifically "go to wps", its "swap last screen and main menu".
04:01:26alexbobpthere should be a very fast way to get to WPS at all times, from any menu
04:01:44[Saint]I agree that the notification icon should go to .wps at all times.
04:01:47[Saint]that's a nice idea.
04:02:18alexbobpthanks
04:02:37alexbobpthat's work well enough, since if you're actively using the rockbox ui, the rockbox-as-OS workflow makes sense
04:02:37[Saint]I wonder what we need to do to expose the ROckbox album art to the CM lockscreen?
04:02:45alexbobpand it solves the problem of needing to rapidly go pause
04:03:16[Saint]CM lockscreen seems to control RaaA fine. But, no AA or album info.
04:03:20[Saint]that'd be nice to have.
04:03:44[Saint]Music.apk exposes it somehow...so, its apparently possible.
04:03:56[Saint]but: EJAVA.
04:04:01alexbobpis music.apk open source?
04:04:35tmzt_what is music.apk?
04:04:40tmzt_google music? not liekly
04:04:42alexbobp[Saint]: actually, barring moving the play/pause button away from others, it would be quite nice to at least have it be the one on the corner
04:04:47alexbobp[Saint]: just switch it with seek right
04:05:00alexbobpit's easy to just hit the corner of the screen without looking
04:05:04[Saint]tmzt_: why do you say that?
04:05:19[Saint]that's like saying its not likely for Android to be open source ;)
04:06:09[Saint]CM's Music.apk probably does have code floating around in a github somewhere, almost definitely, even if Google doesn't.
04:06:18[Saint]It's not installed with the gapps package.
04:07:23alexbobp[Saint]: why isn't honeycomb open source :(
04:07:31alexbobpI would have blown plenty of money on a tablet by now, if it was.
04:07:47[Saint]because "nothing "useful" runs it"...or somesuch
04:08:36[Saint]"we don't want people cramming it into phones"...who knows. I guess I know someone who does, but he's probably *sick* of answering it ;)
04:08:50*[Saint] refrains from pinging him. :P
04:08:53alexbobpit's dumb, because people cram it into phones anyways
04:08:57alexbobpall they prevent is, people making it work well :P
04:09:45JdGordon|wtf are you two talking about?
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04:12:01[Saint]JdGordon|: the whole "Honeycomb isn't ready" open source fiasco people like to bring up.
04:12:21JdGordon|that doesnt sound very relevant to #rockbox
04:14:12alexbobpexcuse us, lets argue about the order of buttons some more
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04:17:03[Saint]alexbobp: I haven't seen it on target...is the "press & hold to unlock" notification nice and clear?
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04:17:16[Saint]ALso, it gives you a clear idea what you need to do to unlock?
04:17:30[Saint]ie. if you did it by accident.
04:17:55[Saint]I made it so it'll flash that "press foo to unlock" whenever the screen is touched, while locked.
04:17:59[Saint]So, I hope its clear.
04:18:37alexbobp[Saint]: yeah, the notification is clear
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04:18:59[Saint]I didn't know how readable it'd be on target, thanks.
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04:20:17[Saint]I made the sliders (volume, progress) as high/wide as I could to allow for "sloppy fingers".
04:21:00[Saint]You can slide off the bar a reasonable amount once scrolling is initiated. I hope this helps. Nav-buttons are also as large as possible.
04:21:08[Saint]"fat fingers", etc.
04:21:51[Saint]Initital versions you needed to be *very* precise, I canned that.
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04:56:27alexbobp[Saint]: the text *is* a little small, but the "screen locked" text is large
04:56:41alexbobpif a user is confused about seeing "screen locked" they will quickly notice the small text under it
04:57:04[Saint]Right, that was the intention...glad it actually works that way :D
04:59:22[Saint]JdGordon|: I forget...do we have an "if or" in the skin syntax, or just "if"?
04:59:33JdGordon|?
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05:00:46[Saint]as in "%if(foo,or,bar)<true|false>" as opposed to just "%if(foo,<other operands>,bar)"
05:01:09JdGordon|go get some sleep!
05:01:32JdGordon|wtf is foo,or,bar supposed to mean?
05:02:03[Saint]a variable? :)
05:03:17JdGordon|pardon?
05:03:28JdGordon|put it in english what you're asking for
05:03:36[Saint]I messed it up, slightly. "%if(identifier,var1,or,var2)<true|false>"? I guess it needs to be two statements.
05:04:03[Saint]which, won't *quite* work for what I'm playing at without rething it.
05:04:09[Saint]*re-thinking.
05:05:07JdGordon|I could make it support %if(tag, *any*, list, of, values, you, care, about)<true|false>
05:05:15JdGordon|but i dont see how that would be useful really
05:05:32JdGordon|and of course *none* would be the opposite of that
05:05:47[Saint]It would save me doing two statements if I want to switch the same thing on different variables ;)
05:06:25JdGordon|but, 'identifier' in your example is a single tag
05:06:46JdGordon|I should add an array type!
05:06:52[Saint]I'm trying to come up with a way I can make the titlebar in the .sbs jump to the .wps, but *only* if playback is paused, or currently playing.
05:07:17JdGordon|%if([%mh, %rh, %vget(a)], =, 1)?!!?!?!?!?!?!
05:07:50JdGordon|use skin vars
05:08:28JdGordon|init to 0, if playback is paused set it to 1, if playback is running set it to 2, then enable the viewport if that var is >0
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05:09:20[Saint]Yeah, there's a few different ways it could go...skin vars and conditional touch areas is the likely candidate here. I was overthinking it.
05:10:04JdGordon|I realluy should have finished the "how to write skins properly" email i started
05:10:19JdGordon|pretty much it said never use any tag other than skin vars to enable a viewport
05:10:42[Saint]that needlessly complicates some cases, though.
05:10:50JdGordon|true
05:11:03JdGordon|but it also makes it easier
05:11:13[Saint]%?C<|> is perfectly acceptable for on/off
05:11:27[Saint]adding vars means added code to set, and check, said vars.
05:12:01JdGordon|it makes it easier later when you decide you want to do different things, perhaps multi-'screen'-skins
05:12:15JdGordon|i.e change the info in the AA area with a button press
05:12:16[Saint]if you have as many conditions as your tag condition, then %?tag<|||||> is fine.
05:12:25[Saint]if you have *more*, use vars...by all means.
05:13:33[Saint]I still want all screens to support an .sbs so I can have a go at writing a theme with nothing but an .sbs and dummy files to load backdrops if needed ;)
05:14:24[Saint]I've been thinking about an ".sbs only" theme for a while, should be possible...if you stick to screens that support the .sbs.
05:14:54JdGordon|which is all of them
05:15:08JdGordon|you'd have to provide an empty .wps though
05:15:19JdGordon|and you'd go insane doing it
05:15:32[Saint]yeah, and load a backdrop in the "dummy" files if you had different screen backdrops.
05:15:50[Saint]I do *most* of my RaaA theme in the .sbs presently.
05:16:22[Saint]I could port more of it out of the .wps, if I wanted. Its only there to make the .wps have a purpose.
05:16:33[Saint]It only actually needs to load the .wps backdrop.
05:16:40[Saint](in theory)
05:17:01[Saint]s/port more of it out of the .wps,/port more of it out of the .sbs,/
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06:15:26brobothey all
06:15:32webguest11hello
06:16:37brobotim using an onscreen keeyboard so i am typing slowly
06:17:09webguest11Has anyone here experienced problems restoring DRM functionality with OF after using Rockbox on their Sansa Clip+?
06:18:11[Saint]ErrrrmmmI'm pretty sure that falls into the "don't expect it to work, we don't care if you break DRM as we don't support it" category.
06:18:56[Saint]Isn't it clearly stated you might (or will?) break DRM playback?
06:18:56webguest11Was just wondering what I'll get myself into if I plan on flashing my player. Heh.
06:19:15LloreanI know Rockbox breaks DRM on some players, and doesn't affect it at all on others.
06:19:17webguest11It says that you might. I was wondering if anyone had a definite answer for the Clip+.
06:19:19LloreanI don't know which type the Clip+ is.
06:19:37[Saint]Nor I, so, assume it will.
06:19:38LloreanI suspect most people wishing to use Rockbox don't use DRMed music since you can't use DRMed music *in* Rockbox on any player.
06:19:47*[Saint] nods.
06:19:54[Saint]that, and, DRM is evil. ;)
06:20:14webguest11Right. I was wondering if full functionality of OF would be restored if I decide to ever re-flash it.
06:20:46LloreanFor the most part it should be. Some players, though, store DRM keys in such a way that if they're overwritten or damaged during a Rockbox install, they won't be restored by an OF restoration.
06:20:52[Saint]It *might* be...unless you find something saying it *will* be (from Rockbox) assume it won't.
06:20:54[Saint]Its safer.
06:20:59[Saint]No tears ;)
06:21:45brobotriddle me this, is there a shuffle type functionality that maks it so that the same artist wont be play ed twice consecutively?
06:22:13LloreanNo.
06:22:15brobotsry thts not a riddle ...
06:22:22brobotw/e
06:22:36[Saint]No, we onl;y have a "true random" shuffle, which is just that...random.
06:22:37LloreanShuffle is exactly that, it completely shuffles everything in the playlist. It applies no other logic to it.
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06:22:54[Saint]All tracks will only be played once, though.
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06:23:49Llorean[Saint]: Each entry in the playlist will play once. It's not impossible for a track to be in a playlist more than once. The way you said it semi-suggests duplicate elimination.
06:23:59brobothmmm i wonder how difficult it would be to code a suffle function with logic
06:24:04[Saint]Err, yes. Correct.
06:24:17[Saint]Thanks for that Llorean.
06:24:25LloreanJust trying to make sure there's not some ambiguity there.
06:24:39*[Saint] nods. I could have been more clear.
06:25:06brobotno i mean different songs from the same artist
06:25:11[Saint]brobot: for now, the "easy" way is to make a "weighted" playlist.
06:25:11LloreanI've contemplated a plugin that could create weighted playlists. Putting songs in it more than once so that after a shuffle you could get some songs more often than others.
06:25:23[Saint]Ie. insert the tracks you want to hear more often, more than once.
06:25:52mystica555_i for one have considered making a 'better' shuffle that has certain features such as, don't play the same artist twice within X amount of songs, same could go for album etc.
06:25:58broboti find that idea verry apealing
06:26:32brobotim glad im not the only one
06:26:34[Saint]For now, if you want that (or, as close as it gets) you need to "weight" artist/tracks in the playlist manually.
06:26:43brobotim using an onscreen keeyboard so i am typing slowly
06:26:48[Saint]Insert them more often to increase the likelyhood they'll play.
06:27:16JdGordon|[Saint]: shuffle != random
06:27:20brobotwhat is RB coded in?
06:27:23LloreanWith a decent number of songs from a variety of albums, odds are pretty darn low you'll get two from the same album anyway.
06:27:32JdGordon|brobot: blood sweat and tears
06:27:36JdGordon|also, c
06:27:41brobothah
06:27:42[Saint]and some asm.
06:28:08LloreanIf you have few enough albums that odds are higher they'll be sequential, a "smarter" shuffle would end up creating playlists that end up looking very patterned.
06:29:28JdGordon|our shuffle sucks.... shuffle a playlist, save the m3u, then stop playback, "insert shuffled" on that playlist and the grouping will be less random (by artist) than it should be
06:30:09brobotI for one get tired ofhearing an artist 2-3 times in a row on my workout playlist
06:30:29LloreanJdGordon|: Is there some actual evidence of this?
06:30:45broboti use a clip plus with stock firmware
06:32:19[Saint]Depends on what you calss as "evidence".
06:32:33[Saint]Many have cried that our shuffle has artist/track favouritism.
06:32:40[Saint]None have proven it, to my knowledge.
06:33:15[Saint]Its all speculation AFAIK. Bias.
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06:35:21LloreanI mean, it'd be possible for someone who thinks it's failing to generate a bunch of shuffled playlists from an original ordered one and check "how random" they are.
06:35:30brobottack favortism based on play count?
06:35:58brobottrack*
06:36:19Lloreanbrobot: There are no weighted randoms in Rockbox at all.
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06:38:26brobotothis onscreen keyboard is driving me nuts goodnight . glad i sparked the conversation .
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06:40:47JdGordon|there was discussion ages ago about adding a shuffle mode which is real random instead of shuffle
06:41:15LloreanJust generate a random number from 1 to (playlist entries) each track change, and play that?
06:41:29JdGordon|which would be an interesting implementation challenge
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07:09:06[Saint]Ok, right...in the "what the flying fuck" files...
07:09:28[Saint]My RaaA idle-timeout'ed twice while pushed to the background.
07:09:32[Saint]...wtf?
07:09:40[Saint](It was playing audio, at this time)
07:10:10[Saint]Needing to be in the foreground to not idle-timeout seems to be a new, err..."requirement"?
07:16:47JdGordon|if it was playing audio thats a bug
07:17:16[Saint]Question, though...is CM "supported"?
07:17:24JdGordon|nothing is supported
07:18:24[Saint]Right, heh...good catch. ;) I mean, is it only expected to work in "stock" Android? Or will CM trip things up in ways not accounted for?
07:18:42[Saint]I don't recall it ever doing this on my stock Froyo ROM.
07:19:03JdGordon|+ you're using a custom build right?
07:19:07JdGordon|too many variables
07:19:56[Saint]I'm using "as it comes" from CM, now. All the baked in bits got dropped for easy inclusion.
07:20:00[Saint]s/easy//
07:20:47[Saint]Oh...custom *RaaA* build. No.
07:21:31[Saint]r30393, iirc. rasher says its clean svn, so, I guess it is.
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08:03:01rasher[Saint]: should be, unless something really weird happened. You can always check the version string for Ms
08:03:20[Saint]'tis M'less
08:07:24amiconn[Saint]: Will you look into doing 800x480 as well?
08:07:48[Saint]I will, yes. They're on my todo.
08:08:05[Saint]For the moment though, I'm completing portrait ports.
08:09:19[Saint]amiconn: If you could test it in portrait, I'd still appreciate it.
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08:09:45amiconnN900 raaa is landscape only afaik
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08:10:25amiconn(and not really usable due to the broken wps)
08:11:08[Saint]Errr....*no* RaaA is landscape only.
08:11:28[Saint]Android is smart enough to remap controls/dpads for portrait/landscape.
08:11:36amiconnThis is not android
08:11:49[Saint]Right, yeah...I just clicked.
08:12:19[Saint]You should be able to compile a portrait meego build though...no?
08:12:35amiconnI don't know
08:12:47[Saint]It decides portrait/landscape depending on the x,y values for application build I thought.
08:13:11amiconnAtm I can't compile an N900 build at all. Btw it's maemo, not meego
08:13:13[Saint]so 800x480 == landscape, and 480x800 == portrait, automagically.
08:14:03*amiconn needs to wait for thomasjfox to reappear
08:15:05amiconnI managed to repair my scratchbox installation, but now trying to build N900 raaa complains about an unmet build dependency I don't know how to solve
08:15:23[Saint]JdGordon|: Anny suggestions off the top of your head for the RaaA theme port while I'm still awake?
08:15:33JdGordon|get it commited
08:15:45[Saint]Other than that ;)
08:15:53JdGordon|no
08:16:15[Saint]WHat sticks out as being "wrong", or "right"? There must be *something*, no?
08:16:24[Saint]...you guys got easy to please suddenly.
08:16:44JdGordon|i honestly dont care anymore... you should stop looking for issues and just get it into svn
08:16:48JdGordon|then wory about fixes
08:17:31[Saint]I have this sense of foreboding that someone's going to rip it to pieces as soon as its on the tracker, but, it's going up there this very minute.
08:17:59[Saint]I'm just stripping comments, headers presently.
08:18:25amiconnOh, haha. dpkg-buildpackage even mentions a workaround: "Use -d flag to override"
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08:19:41amiconnBut that doesn't solve the portrait/ landscape problem, since the N900 build doesn't use 'configure' interactively
08:20:18[Saint]Ahhh...
08:20:23amiconnOne needs to use dpkg-buildpackage for building a .deb
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08:22:17JdGordon|amiconn: manually edit autoconf.h? or the 900-config.h
08:22:19amiconnHmm, the build trows lots of warnings
08:25:15amiconnAh, libgme is one area
08:26:56amiconn'R8 redefined'. Original definition is in /usr/inlcude/sys/ucontext.h for maemo
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09:14:21nick-psideral: Have you had a chance to test the latest patch on FS #10849 yet?
09:14:22fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10849 3Sleep timer options: persistent duration and start on boot. (patches, unconfirmed)
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09:17:23sideralnick-p: Sorry for the delay. I've only managed to install it on my device yesterday, due to various complications (including upstream breaking some of the patches in my build, and a trashed filesystem). I've recovered now, and will test for at least one more day before I commit.
09:18:35nick-psideral: No problem about the delay, whenever it's convenient for you...
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09:30:28nick-psideral: While I remember, I have deviated slightly from the suggestion: I haven't implemented renaming the existing "Sleep Timer" menu item to "Cancel Sleep Timer (hh:mm)" when the sleep timer is active. My thinking was it also gives the option to alter the duration of the existing timer in that state, so Cancel was a bit inaccurate. I also seem to remember mention of the possibility of entry scrolling also. Finally, I was thinking if
09:30:28nick-ppeople wanted an active countdown, a theme which displays one would be more dynamic/ accurate (the menu item is only generated on entry).
09:32:08CIA-14New commit by 03jethead71 (r30401): Remove obsolete init cruft from audio system because of diminished dependencies. All talk/voice dependency in playback.c should be imminently ...
09:32:35JdGordon|should be imminently..... what?!
09:33:11Bagderremovable.
09:33:26Bagder:-)
09:34:52CIA-14r30401 build result: All green
09:35:22jhMikeS:)
09:35:39sideralnick-p: OK, thanks for the heads up. I'll have a look later.
09:51:11JdGordon|[Saint]: is the theme actually finished?
09:51:22JdGordon|i.e whats stopping it being committed right now?
09:51:41[Saint]*almost*, nothing would stop it being committed, IMO.
09:51:48[Saint]Icons need to be unified, though.
09:52:11JdGordon|it would be better to not put anything on FS untill it is ready
09:52:25JdGordon|IIUC buildwps.pl needs adjusting for this?
09:53:01JdGordon|or this is completly ready to go?
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09:56:45[Saint]Its just the theme .zip'ed up as it would be for extraction to target. I've not got the facilities to make a diff at my disposal presently.
09:57:09[Saint]I've no idea what magic buildzip.pl needs to accomodate this.
09:57:15JdGordon|ok
09:57:18JdGordon|that sucks
09:57:53JdGordon|IIRC we need someone ( gevaerts :) ) to be able to pass -DAPPLICATION through to buildzip.pl and wpsbuild.pl for this to work
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10:01:08[Saint]FWIW, I didn't think that "not ready to commit" mattered a fuck wrt Flyspray.
10:01:26[Saint]As long as the idea is to work on it to *a committanle point*
10:01:42[Saint]*committable, too
10:04:29JdGordon|my point was that constantly working on it is silly, and putting it on fs is a waste of tim
10:04:33JdGordon|e
10:04:35JdGordon|if its ready lets commit it
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10:15:22[Saint]evilnick, alexbobp, bluebroth3r, rasher (?), GodEater_, pixelma:
10:15:43[Saint]http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12254 <−− RaaA theme now resides on the tracker, please test and comment.
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10:33:50kugelp[Saint]: do I get a 320x480 version now that its finally on the tracker?
10:34:37[Saint]That will follow shortly. Not *quite* there yet.
10:35:34kugelpmake sure its 3*20*x480 (you keep saying 340)
10:35:51[Saint]right, thanks.
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10:51:32n1sboo, the new "a" packages of binutils still contain a dir structure with the old name so just patching the version number in rockboxdev.sh isn't enough.
10:52:30n1sThe gnu mirror has added symlinks to the new packages with the names of the old so if we just wait a bit this should fix itself
10:52:32[Saint]Awwww...suck.
10:52:48n1shttp://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2011-09/msg00000.html
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10:53:42n1sthe http://mirrors.kernel.org/gnu one still hasn't picked them up
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10:59:27GodEater_scorche|sh: seems the touchpad resuuply is going to be USA only. Can you please do the honours if at all possible?
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11:13:07[Saint]why does the iPod Nano have both http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodnano/ *and* http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodnano1g/ ?!?
11:13:14[Saint]The builds are the same...
11:14:09JdGordon|gevaerts: makefile stuff :)
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12:42:22leftrightAs a user I'm inclined to think that settings should go in a Settings menu, that's where i would expect to find settings, I really don't think that placing settings in a system menu or submenu is logical or intuitive
12:42:55leftrightSettings <> to System
12:43:54leftrightSystem does not mean Settings by definition
12:44:25n1swhat is the definition?
12:45:12leftrightwhat does setting mean ?, I'll leave it for you to "wuh wuh wuh" it
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14:09:13kugelJdGordon|: do you read comments in the files? they're to omit the obligatory context parameter
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14:13:45JdGordWhy not pass NULL and check for that in tbe actual functions like playlsit does?
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14:16:17kugelJdGordon|: that's not any better?
14:17:26kugelalso buflib_alloc/ex and core_alloc/ex are slightly different
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18:47:34jhMikeShmmm...this tdspeed ought to use sum of absolute differences instead of sum of squared differences to autocorrelate which would give the same output and lighten the load a whole lot
18:59:34CIA-14New commit by 03bertrik (r30407): sansa clipzip: implement lcd_enable
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20:42:34bertrikoh, the clip zip is getting a firmware update already
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21:02:06gbl08mabertrik: firmware update? don't tell us they are going to fix the firmware so it can't be patched by our tools...
21:03:17bertriknah, they just fix some bugs and add some features. One of them is volume control while locked :)
21:04:11gbl08maby the way, weren't the sansa guys the ones who once upon a time asked the Rockbox team if they wanted to develop a RB-only Sansa player?
21:04:15bertrikI'll need to add an md5 to mkamsboot
21:04:24gbl08maor am I confusing everything
21:04:27bertrikgbl08ma, I never heard of that
21:05:01gbl08malet me dig the wiki, that's where I found that info IIRC
21:06:27LloreanAs far as I know, they just contacted us about "helping" with a port to the e200
21:06:34LloreanThe amount they actually helped is somewhat debatable.
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22:15:55bluebrotherhmm, why isn't there an option to scale a Bitmap keeping aspect ratio on Android?
22:16:01bluebrotheror am I missing something?
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22:21:40kugeljhMikeS: there's a new timestretch version (fs
22:22:04kugelFS #10320) but I don't know if ti works differently. it just needs to be ported
22:22:05fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10320 3Timestretch: Update algorithm (patches, new)
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22:31:06bluebrother[Saint]: want to try AA in notification area? Seems to work stable for me now :)
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22:51:40wodzThe interesting thing is that bit described as ARM:AHB divider in datasheet has influence on sdram read rate (~25%) but not on sdram write rate
22:52:32wodzthis doesn't make much sense to me
22:59:17bluebrotherok, that's how the notification looks right now: bluebrother/device-2011-09-01-215904.png">http://tinyurl.com/bluebrother/device-2011-09-01-215904.png
22:59:39bluebrothershould it look that way? Or maybe put the small clef logo back and move the Album Art to the right?
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23:14:00bluebrotherhmpf. Rebased and now the notification area changes aren't working anymore :(
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23:18:36bluebrotherurgh, that vorbis files are too soft issue again :(
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23:24:18rasherbluebrother: I don't see a need for an icon
23:24:52rasherShould be pretty obvious which app is behind that notification
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23:36:05kugelrasher: not sure if it's obvious
23:36:15kugelbluebrother: how does AA on the right look like?
23:36:39rasherkugel: Unless the music was started by someone else, or you have no short term memory, you should know?
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23:37:37kugelthe notification looks pretty hostile with that large icon
23:37:42bluebrotherkugel: haven't tried yet
23:38:22bluebrotherI've rebased my tree and now have (1) the vorbis plays too soft and (2) AA in notification causes exception :(
23:38:28*FOAD is listening to Jesu "December" (Ascension, 2011) [7:50]. 5(p)
23:38:34FOADSorry.
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23:46:26evildaemonIRC bot?
23:46:31evildaemonLolwut?
23:51:26bluebrotherwhy am I getting a E/GraphicsJNI?
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